KOFXII tier list and discussion

The Electrifying OneThe Electrifying One Coming4EVOJoined: Posts: 1,282
For shame! This game has been out for months and no tier lists?? This is SRK people.



S - Kyo, Joe
A - Ash, Duo Lon, SHEN WOO, Iori, Terry, Andy, Raiden, Athena, Chin, Robert
B - Beni, Daimon, Kim, Kensou, Ryo, Leona, Ralf, Clark

Kyo and Jo both have damaging BnB combos that work anywhere off of light taps, and have versatile movesets.

I think Terry might join those two- he can a very strong corner combo, can combo easily into his cancellable df+C off of light taps, and c.C and c.D have great reach.

Raiden should move up a bit too, he can really deal silly damage, his BnB throw combo does more than a lot of supers.

Leona sucks cos she just doesn't do anywhere near enough damage. In a game where half the cast have fireball/dragon variants, Ash and Athena have by far the best of both.

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EDIT:

Tier list from Arcadia this month (June/July)

S Rank: Kyo, Iori
A Rank: Terry, Andy, Joe, Shen Woo, Kensou, Ralf, Kim, Ryo
B Rank: Robert, Ash, Chin, Raiden, Daimon
C Rank: Benimaru, Duo-lon, Leona, Athena
D Rank: Clark
Capcom Exec and co-producer of Streetfighter 2 in interview with Sega Saturn Magazine, 1998:
"The Days when people really loved playing computers games has ended. This is mainly because of Sony. Sony has created a new era of light users who consider games to be just an everyday form of general entertainment- nothing special. The kind of games we used to see from Nintendo have gone. These are the games that children used to play, but now they don't."
Capcom Exec and co-producer of Streetfighter 2 in interview with Sega Saturn Magazine, 1998:
"The Days when people really loved playing computers games has ended. This is mainly because of Sony. Sony has created a new era of light users who consider games to be just an everyday form of general entertainment- nothing special. The kind of games we used to see from Nintendo have gone. These are the games that children used to play, but now they don't."
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  • Hatred EdgeHatred Edge No Ningens Allowed Joined: Posts: 16,610
    Heh, I thought Alternate started this thread. This is his kind of thing.

    Anyway I thought most people just agreed to ignore that tier list?
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  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,391
    I can easily tell you haven't played the game enough (Joe in S lol) but I'll be honest and say that neither have I. It is way too early but I still disagree with alot of things. Where does that tier list come from?

    Anyway, here are my thoughts:
    Terry is very good.
    Raiden is very good. People are sleeping on Daimon.
    Iori belongs up in S easily.
    Ash's damage output isn't that good yet you say Leona's sucks. Wrong! Leona has good damage btw and a good corner combo too. However, Ash is good too.
    Ralf should be sitting pretty right around Shen Woo and Terry.
    No clue on Duo but Andy HAS to be upper A.
    No clue on Chin.
    Clark does suck.
    Not much more I can say other than all of the cast has tools to win. Everyone can do damage and I'm confident that everyone has a unique corner combo. It's pretty balanced imo.

    I'd like to see the thoughts of other people who played it and god forbid this thread derails...
    Albeit it's too early, I really would like to see the opinions of other people who have been playing it.

    Edit: You're kinda dumb for saying Ash and Athena have the best AAs. Kyo's DP and Joe's Tiger Kick are really stupid.
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    :looney: Here it comes.
  • Phoenix AzurePhoenix Azure Joined: Posts: 1,115
    Didn't this tier list come out ages ago and was pretty much disproven for the most part?
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  • DaveNKDaveNK What!? No Avatar!! Joined: Posts: 441
    Didn't this tier list come out ages ago and was pretty much disproven for the most part?

    yes it was, I had found it on IGN by another user and posted it in the discussion thread
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  • Alternate275Alternate275 ★TOURNEY HOST★ Joined: Posts: 1,036
    Heh, I thought Alternate started this thread. This is his kind of thing.

    Anyway I thought most people just agreed to ignore that tier list?

    OMG, I love tier list discussions!
    Yeah, unfortunately he beat me to the thread making, but only 6 posts later did I find the thread :rofl:

    Welp, time to circle the bottom half of the list and play my characters :lovin:
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  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,391
    But I digress. This is SRK and it'd be impossible to discuss character strengths and weaknesses. Nevermind.
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  • XiiiXiii Joined: Posts: 1,007
    It's not like it's impossible, just SRK has it's share of people who don't care what other people say. It's still a good resource to speak your impressions for those who do like me who don't really have much of any access to the game and need something to think about during this month long wait until the game comes out for console.
  • G.O.TG.O.T #1 Haggar fan Joined: Posts: 2,164
    Chin seems like he's retarded to play against........there.






    that's my list.
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  • Miss DarknessMiss Darkness Kimiko :3 Joined: Posts: 507
    lol Tier lists


    I'd use my 3 characters ( Ash , Kensou , and Duo Lon ) no matter where they are on the tiers , tier whoring is really lame IMO

    only reason I'll stop using 1 of those characters is that if they're the #1 on the tier list or insanely overused ( Ken in Sf4 in an excellent example )



    anywho , from what I've played I'm guessing these will be the top : Terry , Kyo , Ralf , Robert , and Iori
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  • G.O.TG.O.T #1 Haggar fan Joined: Posts: 2,164
    lol Tier lists


    I'd use my 3 characters ( Ash , Kensou , and Duo Lon ) no matter where they are on the tiers , tier whoring is really lame IMO

    only reason I'll stop using 1 of those characters is that if they're the #1 on the tier list or insanely overused ( Ken in Sf4 in an excellent example )



    anywho , from what I've played I'm guessing these will be the top : Terry , Kyo , Ralf , Robert , and Iori

    On the cool Imo. You should just use who you enjoy playing with, and play with who you think will get you the most wins consistently. That's what it's all about. Tier whoring or not whatever the case maybe...use what works.

    When I first started playing SF4 (sorry not derailing so ignore this) I ran into scrubby peeps and unpredictable peeps with outrageous mad tech skill. Now both Scrubs and Pros alike raped me. Now imo they ruined Fei even though as much as enjoy reppin him. I don't feel I can win with him most of the time as I could back in previous games. So I tried Ryu....but of course I don't wanna rock something I see all the time cuz it gets stale, and makes me wanna go play something else tourney wise.

    So finally I tried Honda. He's perfect for me. I like the character, he can win without having just instant just add anus matchups, and that's a win win in my book.

    If you don't have any characters you like that you can't win a lot with do what I do don't play the game, move on. That's what I did with SF4 even though I respect/spectate it I won't play at a high level because it pisses me off that I want to play the more flashy, swaggerific characters such as Fei, Cammy, and Rose but I can't win with them. I most likely just suck, or maybe I don't who cares either way I ain't winning how I see fit...I don't like to be denied:rolleyes:. I don't like to think I suck lol. On top of that I can't stand most of the roster. So yeah do what gets you off.
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  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,391
    Cool story bro.
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  • Lord BBHLord BBH EASY EASY~ Joined: Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    god not that garbage-ass tier list again

    if everyone wants to obsess over character rankings, here's how I see things:

    Iori tier - Iori
    Really good tier - most of the cast
    Characters I'm not sure about and are between good and crap - Duolon, Kim, Leona, Ryo
    Crap tier - Athena, Clark, Kensou

    I'm sure I'll see some characters in a different light when console version comes out and I get to play a greater variety of opponents (provided the netcode isn't complete balls), but really this game still seems surprisingly well balanced after 2 months. Don't spend too much time worrying about the tiers, just have fun trying out different chars and use whoever clicks with you. I don't even have a consistent "serious" team as there's like 7 different characters I think are "good" and I enjoy playing as, so my team's always a mixture of them.
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  • TooseriusTooserius DVERITAS Joined: Posts: 755
    Lord BBH- you've made this thread an instant classic with Iori being in the Iori tier-ROFLMAO- damn I wish u had a PS3...damnit
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    As long as Kyo,Ryo and Ben are good that's all I care about.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    god not that garbage-ass tier list again

    if everyone wants to obsess over character rankings, here's how I see things:

    Iori tier - Iori
    Really good tier - most of the cast
    Characters I'm not sure about and are between good and crap - Duolon, Kim, Leona, Ryo
    Crap tier - Athena, Clark, Kensou

    I'm sure I'll see some characters in a different light when console version comes out and I get to play a greater variety of opponents (provided the netcode isn't complete balls), but really this game still seems surprisingly well balanced after 2 months. Don't spend too much time worrying about the tiers, just have fun trying out different chars and use whoever clicks with you. I don't even have a consistent "serious" team as there's like 7 different characters I think are "good" and I enjoy playing as, so my team's always a mixture of them.
    Seeing as how Ignition is getting new builds all the time, my guess is that there's gonna be some character fixes. But yeah, I'm glad to see that for the most part, the game is very well balanced. It's nice to see a lot of "viable" characters.

    Personally I think Leona and Kensou have a lot of untapped potential.
  • KrsJinKrsJin Cheat Kune Do Joined: Posts: 1,347

    Personally I think Leona and Kensou have a lot of untapped potential.

    Indeed.
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  • Alternate275Alternate275 ★TOURNEY HOST★ Joined: Posts: 1,036
    I also can't wait for some matchup information as well.
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  • Lord BBHLord BBH EASY EASY~ Joined: Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Lord BBH- you've made this thread an instant classic with Iori being in the Iori tier-ROFLMAO- damn I wish u had a PS3...damnit

    I didn't think it was THAT funny but if you say so :x even though I think a lot of characters are really good, I still think Iori is #1. He's not WAY better than the rest of the cast, just a tiny bit better.
    Seeing as how Ignition is getting new builds all the time, my guess is that there's gonna be some character fixes. But yeah, I'm glad to see that for the most part, the game is very well balanced. It's nice to see a lot of "viable" characters.

    Personally I think Leona and Kensou have a lot of untapped potential.

    Why would new builds of the console version mean character rebalancing? They're probably just ironing out bugs.

    Leona could be good, I dunno since nobody really plays her around here (I don't like how she plays in any KOF ever and I don't like her in this). Kensou though, I don't really see what else he can do. He has some combos up close, but if he's not up close there's not much he can do because a lot of his normal moves are horrible. Bad range and low damage means you gotta work a bit harder to win with him.
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  • The Electrifying OneThe Electrifying One Coming4EVO Joined: Posts: 1,282
    I can easily tell you haven't played the game enough (Joe in S lol) but I'll be honest and say that neither have I. It is way too early but I still disagree with alot of things. Where does that tier list come from?

    Anyway, here are my thoughts:
    Terry is very good.
    Raiden is very good. People are sleeping on Daimon.
    Iori belongs up in S easily.
    Ash's damage output isn't that good yet you say Leona's sucks. Wrong! Leona has good damage btw and a good corner combo too. However, Ash is good too.
    Ralf should be sitting pretty right around Shen Woo and Terry.
    No clue on Duo but Andy HAS to be upper A.
    No clue on Chin.
    Clark does suck.
    Not much more I can say other than all of the cast has tools to win. Everyone can do damage and I'm confident that everyone has a unique corner combo. It's pretty balanced imo.

    I'd like to see the thoughts of other people who played it and god forbid this thread derails...
    Albeit it's too early, I really would like to see the opinions of other people who have been playing it.

    Edit: You're kinda dumb for saying Ash and Athena have the best AAs. Kyo's DP and Joe's Tiger Kick are really stupid.


    The tier list is not my opinion. I got it from Cyberfanatix and Orochinagi, this is the one that has been going round. I agree with it for the most part. We've had this game in London since day of release, and most of our top players (you can see our RB1 on neoempire.com) agree that Joe and Kyo are definitely top.

    Joe's BnBs are really good, good specials and mix up too.

    I didn't really explain my views on Ash and Athena very well. What I meant is that if you want to play a fireball/AA game a la classic SF2 strategy, the closest equivalent are Athena and Ash as they have quick fireballs for excellent zoning and very good AA options. Try standing a few character lengths away and throwing fireballs with Andy or Robert and you'll see the difference. With Ash I've got a fair few wins with her as my starter just zoning with her sonic booms and catching them with anti air super or C projectile/flash kick. Plus her corner combo of (c.B, c.A, b,f+a) X 2, kick super does a LOT.

    Likewise Athena's 2K2 style game is still effective.

    I too think it's close. I don't really know too much about 'which letters to use' in tier lists. For me it's just Joe and Kyo are noticeably better than the next tier and likewise over Leona and Clark etc. I agree that it's close. Maybe A, B+, B- would be more accurate, but by S I just mean top.

    I play Ash, Leona, Terry for the record, so I know most about them. Leona is definitely lower than most characters due to damage output.

    As far as Kensou is concerned, Tim119 is the best player in London (I think he is from China where he learned KOF) and he plays Kensou. I think there are vids of him knocking around neoempire, check the front page.

    EDIT: lol someone just messaged me that Ash is a guy hehe. Yeah I did know that but I still inadvertantly refer to him as her cos he just looks like a girl!
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    "The Days when people really loved playing computers games has ended. This is mainly because of Sony. Sony has created a new era of light users who consider games to be just an everyday form of general entertainment- nothing special. The kind of games we used to see from Nintendo have gone. These are the games that children used to play, but now they don't."
    Capcom Exec and co-producer of Streetfighter 2 in interview with Sega Saturn Magazine, 1998:
    "The Days when people really loved playing computers games has ended. This is mainly because of Sony. Sony has created a new era of light users who consider games to be just an everyday form of general entertainment- nothing special. The kind of games we used to see from Nintendo have gone. These are the games that children used to play, but now they don't."
  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,391
    The tier list is not my opinion. I got it from Cyberfanatix and Orochinagi, this is the one that has been going round. I agree with it for the most part. We've had this game in London since day of release, and most of our top players (you can see our RB1 on neoempire.com) agree that Joe and Kyo are definitely top.
    You guys don't have any Iori players I take it. :wonder:
    I didn't really explain my views on Ash and Athena very well. What I meant is that if you want to play a fireball/AA game a la classic SF2 strategy, the closest equivalent are Athena and Ash as they have quick fireballs for excellent zoning and very good AA options.
    Likewise Athena's 2K2 style game is still effective.
    Well to be honest I think playing her more like 2k2 is way more effective. Her offense is annoying too.

    As for Ash... he'll be the obvious scrub pick. In a game without heavy mobility he'd be hell but since this is KoF, that's rather easy to avoid. I'm sure he's much more nastier than people give him credit for in this game but I'm going to need console for that. :wasted:
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  • Lord BBHLord BBH EASY EASY~ Joined: Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    The tier list is not my opinion. I got it from Cyberfanatix and Orochinagi, this is the one that has been going round. I agree with it for the most part. We've had this game in London since day of release, and most of our top players (you can see our RB1 on neoempire.com) agree that Joe and Kyo are definitely top.

    Joe's BnBs are really good, good specials and mix up too.

    I agree that Kyo is very very good, but Joe is not top. His slash kick is suicidal on block, and if you spam tiger kick you'll get punished for that too. Add that to the fact that his normal moves really aren't all that great. Sure his low B's are good and can chain into his f+B easy, but if you're out of range he doesn't have a very good poking game. He's just nowhere near as solid a character as say... Iori...
    I didn't really explain my views on Ash and Athena very well. What I meant is that if you want to play a fireball/AA game a la classic SF2 strategy, the closest equivalent are Athena and Ash as they have quick fireballs for excellent zoning and very good AA options. Try standing a few character lengths away and throwing fireballs with Andy or Robert and you'll see the difference. With Ash I've got a fair few wins with her as my starter just zoning with her sonic booms and catching them with anti air super or C projectile/flash kick. Plus her corner combo of (c.B, c.A, b,f+a) X 2, kick super does a LOT.

    Do you believe trying to play a fireball/DP style game is going to be all that effective if your opponents figure out how to clash fireballs? Athena's psycho sword really isn't all that great, reflector actually seems like a more reliable anti-air. Either way her game kinda falls apart when people realize what can be done against fireballs, it's pretty tough for her to do good damage anyway. She's another character that just feels kinda limited.

    Ash is really good though.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Shouldn't we wait for the console release before we talk about tiers. Its funny how you all make Clark sound like he cant win at all, especially Lord BBH. I think, he looks pretty decent. Also I think the biggest problem players are having is that can't only rely on his Argentine Back Breaker. I rarely see anyone use his air throw or his foot stomp in videos I have seen of him.
  • Lord BBHLord BBH EASY EASY~ Joined: Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Shouldn't we wait for the console release before we talk about tiers. Its funny how you all make Clark sound like he cant win at all, especially Lord BBH. I think, he looks pretty decent. Also I think the biggest problem players are having is that can't only rely on his Argentine Back Breaker. I rarely see anyone use his air throw or his foot stomp in videos I have seen of him.

    I'll make this my 12th post on the Clark matter! (Or have there been more? You're apparently keeping track of my posts so let me know)

    Clark doesn't have a "foot stomp", he has a command dash. His air throw is complete garbage because it loses to air attacks every time, so the only way you're going to grab anyone is if they do an empty jump/hop. I already explained this in the other thread, shame you're not actually reading my posts because I explained how all his moves work.

    Really though I don't know what is it with you Clark fanboys and your inability to accept that he's just not that good a character in this game. Also did I ever say that he CAN'T win? No. He doesn't have a bunch of 1-9 matchups or anything like that. But he's still a bad character compared to pretty much the rest of the cast. DEAL WITH IT.
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  • The Electrifying OneThe Electrifying One Coming4EVO Joined: Posts: 1,282
    You guys don't have any Iori players I take it. :wonder:


    Well to be honest I think playing her more like 2k2 is way more effective. Her offense is annoying too.

    As for Ash... he'll be the obvious scrub pick. In a game without heavy mobility he'd be hell but since this is KoF, that's rather easy to avoid. I'm sure he's much more nastier than people give him credit for in this game but I'm going to need console for that. :wasted:


    Yes, we do have Iori players. Go to neoempire.com, look for the KOFXII RB1 video. The player who wins the tournament uses Iori. Iori is probably the most popular character in London, along with Kyo and possibly Raiden and Leona.

    Your contradicting yourself about Ash: he'll be popular with scrubs, he'll be easy to avoid due to mobility in this game, but you think he's better than people will give him credit?? He's ranked 3rd atm. He's one of the best characters.

    And no, we don't need to wait for the console release for tiers, whoever it was that said we needed to. Plenty of people have been playing this for months now, myself included.
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    "The Days when people really loved playing computers games has ended. This is mainly because of Sony. Sony has created a new era of light users who consider games to be just an everyday form of general entertainment- nothing special. The kind of games we used to see from Nintendo have gone. These are the games that children used to play, but now they don't."
    Capcom Exec and co-producer of Streetfighter 2 in interview with Sega Saturn Magazine, 1998:
    "The Days when people really loved playing computers games has ended. This is mainly because of Sony. Sony has created a new era of light users who consider games to be just an everyday form of general entertainment- nothing special. The kind of games we used to see from Nintendo have gone. These are the games that children used to play, but now they don't."
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I was thinking that they might made some tweaks to some characters in the console version. As for Clark, I accept he is the weakest fighter in the game. But I still think he is high C tier / low B tier. Also Lord BBH, I am not Clark fanboy. I just want to choose to be positive about him.

    I mean everyone though Chin and Ralf were useless, until the videos from Arcade Infinity.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I'll make this my 12th post on the Clark matter! (Or have there been more? You're apparently keeping track of my posts so let me know)

    Clark doesn't have a "foot stomp", he has a command dash. His air throw is complete garbage because it loses to air attacks every time, so the only way you're going to grab anyone is if they do an empty jump/hop. I already explained this in the other thread, shame you're not actually reading my posts because I explained how all his moves work.

    Really though I don't know what is it with you Clark fanboys and your inability to accept that he's just not that good a character in this game. Also did I ever say that he CAN'T win? No. He doesn't have a bunch of 1-9 matchups or anything like that. But he's still a bad character compared to pretty much the rest of the cast. DEAL WITH IT.
    I'm THE Clark fanboy and I've already accepted that he isn't good in this game for a while now, so don't make generalizations here.

    The only reason I'm still using him is because he's my character, and I've had to deal with my favorite characters being nerfed badly in the past.
    I didn't think it was THAT funny but if you say so :x even though I think a lot of characters are really good, I still think Iori is #1. He's not WAY better than the rest of the cast, just a tiny bit better.



    Why would new builds of the console version mean character rebalancing? They're probably just ironing out bugs.

    Leona could be good, I dunno since nobody really plays her around here (I don't like how she plays in any KOF ever and I don't like her in this). Kensou though, I don't really see what else he can do. He has some combos up close, but if he's not up close there's not much he can do because a lot of his normal moves are horrible. Bad range and low damage means you gotta work a bit harder to win with him.
    Must've been watching too many videos where Kensou rocks the match, but I'm guessing you might be right. For Leona, after seeing the Finals matches in LA there was a guy doing a crazy zoning game with Leona.

    Eh, regardless, what I'm trying to say is that maybe we'll get some rebalancing here or there.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I'm THE Clark fanboy and I've already accepted that he isn't good in this game for a while now, so don't make generalizations here.

    The only reason I'm still using him is because he's my character, and I've had to deal with my favorite characters being nerfed badly in the past.
    I beg to differ :nono:

    Also do tiers really matter that much in KoF? I mean its not like SF where characters are really limited to what they can do, in KoF there are more tools that ALL characters can use in different situations. I don't see KoF as a game where one character can completely shut out another character (gief vs sagat) or anything like that.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    ^^I ain't going to play this game boy, there's nothing to prove.

    Tiers matter here too, because in EVERY fighting game there's always going to be someone with the better tools. There's been some pretty unbalanced KOFs out there and at least so far XII is doing quite well. I personally don't care for tiers and just play who I want.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Tiers and more importantly matchups really do matter in KOF. Especially the non-tag ones.

    How the hell is Leona zoning in XII BTW? Leona always seemed like pure rushdown to me, at least after 98.
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    I'm god tier. And so is everyone else.
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    I'm god tier. And so is everyone else.
    Sorry but Fei-Long's always been garbage tier, try again.
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    Good thing I am not Fei-Long then eh?
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  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,391
    dicks everywhere

    GTFO

    If you really had been playing the game for months now the tier list would hardly look like a day one tierlist. Your opinions on it alone show your inexperience with the game. Athena and Ash having the best AAs? You're a riot.
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  • l2slythel2slythe Stay Green. Joined: Posts: 64
    I beg to differ :nono:

    Also do tiers really matter that much in KoF? I mean its not like SF where characters are really limited to what they can do, in KoF there are more tools that ALL characters can use in different situations. I don't see KoF as a game where one character can completely shut out another character (gief vs sagat) or anything like that.

    Nice post. Yeah the game is more about skill then 'character tier'. When you go up against an opponent who is about the same skill the game goes to the person with better strategy. If anything they should make a thread on character matchups instead.
  • l2slythel2slythe Stay Green. Joined: Posts: 64
    GTFO

    If you really had been playing the game for months now the tier list would hardly look like a day one tierlist. Your opinions on it alone show your inexperience with the game. Athena and Ash having the best AAs? You're a riot.

    Yeah thats pretty much a laugh at...
  • Hotdawg_SKAHotdawg_SKA Joined: Posts: 453 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Sorry but Fei-Long's always been garbage tier, try again.

    OMG anyone who says Fei Long is garbage has to answer to me!!! WATCHAAAA!

    Anyhow, how is my man Andy Bogard in this game? I swear, it pisses me off to see everyone always just using Terry, Kyo, Iori, blah blah blah. BIG props to Jon for being the only one to use Andy competitively.
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  • KrsJinKrsJin Cheat Kune Do Joined: Posts: 1,347
    ^He looks both good and extremely fun to me. Some good Andys from AI, maybe they can elaborate on him more.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Andy plays great and you've gotta love his feint. If I like him enough I'll probably put him on my team.

    And get outta here Hotdawg, he all know that Dragon would take Fei-Long to school any day of the week.
  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,391
    Anyhow, how is my man Andy Bogard in this game? I swear, it pisses me off to see everyone always just using Terry, Kyo, Iori, blah blah blah. BIG props to Jon for being the only one to use Andy competitively.

    That feint! Mindgames... mixups... big damage! He'll be one of the characters you'll seriously have to worry about.
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