PowerUp Podcast: Midwest FGC and Beyond

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  • VegaVega Joined: Posts: 917
    me and my brother are Midwest players going to EVO this year... not much we can do on behalf of the Midwest region... but we'll do our best... and if there is anything we can do go ahead and let em know

    i definitely plan on throwing up the MW handsign in any picture that's taken... and for the benifit of everyone else from our region i'm now going to teach it to all of you so you can do it too (and i expect it to happen!!)

    step1 - raise both hands to eye level (or where ever you plan on executing the sign)

    step 2 - with your right hand hold up a 3 count holding down your pinky with your thumb

    step 3 - turn your right hand upside down and bend your wrist

    step 4 - hold down the index finger on your left hand with your thumb and extend the remaining 3 fingers

    step 5 - rotate your entire left hand a few degrees to the left

    step 6 - even up your hands and cock your attitude cause you're done :cool:

    ... i made this handsign up for the benifit of the MW... and out of boredom... enjoy

    :rofl:

    I'm sad to admit I just tried this ALONE all by myself in front of my computer, just in the privacy of my own home. Hahahaha. Not something I'll probably be seen trying at any upcoming tournaments but you boys do your thing! :woot:
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  • Syxx573Syxx573 Jo Mama Joined: Posts: 8,963
    green and yellow

    representing that corn
  • GrogGrog discombobulatingly Joined: Posts: 3,617
    green and yellow

    representing that corn

    You mispelled Packers.
    no one cares syxx

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  • GhaleonGhaleon Maximum Cammy Joined: Posts: 3,467
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  • OsirunOsirun www.powerupfighters.org Joined: Posts: 2,062
    green and yellow

    representing that corn

    Woooow! Seriously, corn, lol. I'm gonna have to photoshop some sort of t-shirt or patch with this theme going on.

    It's kind of interesting, though. Maybe one day the Midwest, or at least some parts, could be united under a banner. Like SoCal and NorCal. A PowerUp banner maybe? Eh, maybe not; whatever gets the Midwest out there is best.

    On a serious note, though, I've been listening to a lot of podcasts recently that have been talking about how the fighting game scene needs an official national ranking system.

    It's a cool idea to have something akin to gigantic ranbats which cover all major tournaments. My only concern is how to get that to cover the whole nation. I know Smash Bros. has the Midwest Circuit East and West, but what about other games? I think Soulcalibur IV has a national scene, but I wonder how it works?

    What do you all think? Could a bunch of TOs come together across the Midwest and pool results for Midwest rankings based solely on skill? It would definitely encourage players to travel around the region.
  • WeeksWeeks Push Custom™ Joined: Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    On a serious note, though, I've been listening to a lot of podcasts recently that have been talking about how the fighting game scene needs an official national ranking system.

    hm good idea, this has some merit

    perhaps we could have a ranking system that was based on different regions. you could have midwest, southwest, west, east coast, etc. to gain ranking points you'd have to participate in tournaments that were officially sanctioned and followed the guidelines set down in the ranking system rules.

    you'd keep these points only for as long as you continued participating in tournaments; points would deteriorate without active participation.

    on the front page of srk, we could list the top five ranked players in each region.

    we need a name for this system, something that captures it's meaningful strive towards the top..perhaps something like ZENITH points..or maybe PINNACLE...

    no, no..i got it!

    APEX points! :rofl:
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  • OsirunOsirun www.powerupfighters.org Joined: Posts: 2,062
    hm good idea, this has some merit

    perhaps we could have a ranking system that was based on different regions. you could have midwest, southwest, west, east coast, etc. to gain ranking points you'd have to participate in tournaments that were officially sanctioned and followed the guidelines set down in the ranking system rules.

    you'd keep these points only for as long as you continued participating in tournaments; points would deteriorate without active participation.

    on the front page of srk, we could list the top five ranked players in each region.

    we need a name for this system, something that captures it's meaningful strive towards the top..perhaps something like ZENITH points..or maybe PINNACLE...

    no, no..i got it!

    APEX points! :rofl:

    Lol, then I wonder why people are still debating this? Is there something they don't like about APEX points? Obviously I hadn't heard of them, otherwise I wouldn't have stuck my foot in my mouth, heh heh.

    However, it doesn't look like the site has been update in quite awhile. No SFIV and the most recent EVO mentioned is 2003. I wonder what happened. Can anyone enlighten me? It seems like a really good idea that somehow went astray.

    Perhaps it could still be used, if only people were willing to resurrect it.
  • Arkayne17Arkayne17 Stop it meg. Joined: Posts: 2,857
    Nathan Ill be sending my info like tonight
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  • WeeksWeeks Push Custom™ Joined: Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    naw, there's no reason a new person should remember apex points, they were the hot thing for a year or two and then just fizzled away, not sure why...probably reflected the state of the scene at the time.

    that's a web archive of how SRK looked way back in the day, btw. i dont think you can find any APEX pages on srk anymore. the joke wasn't on you so much as on the APEX system itself, it was kind of a running gag for a lot of players, and how badly it flopped is evidenced by the fact most people here have never heard of it.

    i just found it amusing people are saying what a good idea it would be without knowing we've already tried it before. why did it fail? i have no idea.
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  • OsirunOsirun www.powerupfighters.org Joined: Posts: 2,062
    naw, there's no reason a new person should remember apex points, they were the hot thing for a year or two and then just fizzled away, not sure why...probably reflected the state of the scene at the time.

    that's a web archive of how SRK looked way back in the day, btw. i dont think you can find any APEX pages on srk anymore.

    So is the system still usable, or has it been shut down? It seems to be exactly what people who have been talking about national rankings would want.

    When you say the fizzling reflected the state of the scene, do you mean things were just generally dead, and no one had any desire to keep up with rankings? I would think it may work now, but once '09 is over and all the big games are out of the gate the big boom may give way to a shrinking spell. Tricky business, rankings, even if they are completely results oriented.
  • TarkanXTarkanX Joined: Posts: 869
    APEX sucked, because the way they made the rankings made it so that who ever participated in the most tournament would be ranked very high (they wouldn't necessarily be the best players). You wouldn't really see many top players on the APEX top 10, since some of them didn't really go to every tournament they could, and you had that two-man tournament that happened (can't remember where it was).

    As far as an official Midwest ranking, I understand that it is a subject that is hard to talk about, and it would require input on all sides on whether to go through with it.
  • otterotter CFN: otter- Joined: Posts: 4,645
    and you had that two-man tournament that happened

    If that's how it works I'm gonna be winning a lot of 2-man tournaments.

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I'm sure I have no business talking about rankings after having gone 4-20 this morning in HDR, but I think that if we wanted to rank ourselves we should have midwest "majors" perhaps four a year. You could have a ranbat or some form of qualifier before each one to seed everyone, and then points should be dispersed based on where you place. The more tournaments you win, the better you are. Also having several major events a year would place more of a spotlight on each event.

    The best thing to do with these would be to make sure that Powerup covered each of them as extensively as possible. Player bio's, updates on the blog, video feed whatever.... it could be done, we would just have to get enough of us together to do it.
  • Syxx573Syxx573 Jo Mama Joined: Posts: 8,963
    i think everyone should just go to fight it out 3, it's the biggest tournament in chicago right now, and i'll level up your face
  • TacticsTactics Joined: Posts: 1,871
    Fight out 3 is going to be pretty hype, its a great venue for tournies.

    Also I think we should setup a vent server for MW players to set up matches for SF / BB / HDR / Insert game and pass the info around to the whole MW community only.

    On a side Note Chicago tournie scene is pretty crowded ATM but I was really thinking of implementing the revival of Midwest Challenge, if anyone remembers them we usually ran 2 of those per year in Nickel City and did very well at bringing together MW regions together. Also when I do revive those tournaments( Ill give a HUGE heads up on them for everyone to come ) I would like to declare a region challenge, which would pit 5 of the best players of each state against each other in a format where everyone would play each other(round robin I think), and would be point based depending on who won more. Im not sure if they would be at Nickel City though but this is something im brewing up currently, some feedback would be great :).

    D aka oldschool Nigga_D.
  • Big_marcus86Big_marcus86 Habitually Silver Joined: Posts: 437
    I'd say that a part of Midwest's disadvantage is geography. We have many different scenes scattered about, but we don't exactly have the opportunity to frequently play each other. I believe that proximity to different styles of play and differing mains increases the players' experience at a much faster pace.

    Consider Japan, or even SoCal. Japan's entire area is less than that of California, (not to mention having superior internet connection) so they aren't short on variety. With SoCal, their main arcades are have high concentrations of players that continuously play against high level, varied competition.

    That being said, there's no way to ever bridge that distance gap. Obviously, distance isn't everything in determining skill, I just believe it affects the rate of improvement. The best solution to this is what has been mentioned by D and Handsome Dan. More majors each season can only increase the speed at which we evolve.
  • GhaleonGhaleon Maximum Cammy Joined: Posts: 3,467
    If you want to get as good as East Coast/West Coast/Canada you have to go to majors in those areas. Having 12 majors in the Midwest isn't give players the experience they could get from one major in EC/WC. People have the misconception that just playing more gets you better. This is only the case at on an incremental level. Ranking tounies in the MW doesn't encourage people to travel to actually level their game, it says "keep playing in local 16-man tournies to increase your MW Gamerscore".

    The Midwest stretches from NE to Ohio -- why people want this idea of ranking ourselves, when this is the like the fourth-tier zone but the biggest spread of distance for fighters in terms of national top play, I don't understand. Ranking work for one location (FFA or CTF). Or in a game you can play solo and post your score online. Or in a game with flawless online (not us).

    Like, if I win more 3s tournies than Antwan, but I lose to him everytime I play in tourney the rare times we face each other, should my ranking make me feel like I'm better? My personal goal should be matching him, not winning more locals I feel pretty confident I'll win. He didn't do it obviously for his APEX score but to win $$ and just play, but it was just kind of a goofy other thing to do that nobody took seriously.

    I don't see how this helps players other than artificial bragging rights, when your goals in tourney should just be to win and learn as it is.

    Yeah, sflegend Nash was in that APEX thing -- he said it was pretty silly. He was #2 in Tekken for a loooong time he said :P just because they traveled to pretty much any Tekken event around.

    This isn't all to hate on our hard-working players. MW has a lot of players who work hard at their games, get together, are good people and play a lot. But most the fact remains there is a large gap btw MW and other regions, which it's hard to understand unless you play these people in your game and see the different things they're doing, that you can't see on video, that makes up their gameplay style. The more people we have going to Evo/Final Round/EC tournies/MD-VA events, the more skill we'll have back home.

    I'm sure it's a good time though for Midwest Challenge to make a comeback though
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  • TacticsTactics Joined: Posts: 1,871
    Yeah im not really saying the 5 v 5 region to be point based in terms of ranking, just point based depending on who wins the most vs each other to decide the top state for that tournament(love brewing comp!). Its just for fun as it always was a part of midwest challenge.

    But I do agree with you very much about the point based system for having rankings, its not going to do a damn thing. Traveling is indeed the best thing you can do, reading up all the countless information online, focusing on trying to beat everyone in the country not just locally,and as well as getting into the habit of training everyday at least like 3-5 hours if possible. I dunno if im wrong or not but thats the way I see it, perhaps Floe could shed some light on this subject more.

    On the lighter side of things though, alot of the Chicago SF comp these days is fairly new and young, alot of them are going to school and/or dont have jobs. But its nice to see them all showing interest and starting to get into the scene that much that they are starting to travel. I hope the ones that go to Evo this year will have their eyes open and the shit that makes competition brew inside of them comes out. IT sucks to get older as its very hard to make it to tournaments outside of state specially if you have a new family such as I(cant wait till they grow a bit more so I can go to travel again! hah). So if you're young take advantage of having no responsibilities and get the fuck off your state and go get some experience and bring that shit home!

    D
  • VegaVega Joined: Posts: 917
    I don't know about the midwest ranking ideas or anything... I'm just glad to see Mr. Nigga D is back! Haha! This is Brent from the Fort Wayne crew. Not sure if you would remember me (and I don't really play 3S anymore) but hopefully we'll meet up again at a tournament sometime!

    Back to the midwest ranking thing I guess I don't have any ideas. Just play as many matches as you all can online and in person, and travel to tournaments when it's possible to do so. When at tournaments just go all out and play a shit-ton of practice matches with anyone and everyone and try to learn. Don't hold back and play stupid "fun" characters that won't get you anywhere for tournaments. Then of course step up when called and play your tournament matches. Just the common sense basics folks! That is how it has worked for me so far anyway.

    And like Chris said it really helps when you get your cracks at the best players. For me it was NKI and Justin Wong, amongst others, in ST. Pay attention to everything when watching the top players from YOUR respective game as they play practice matches before the tournament, play tournament matches, and of course if they get matched up with you at any time. Be very alert as you are watching these players so as to not let stuff pass you by and of course be very alert in all your matches even if you are just playing some bum who is nothing compared to your own skill level. Everyone has something, maybe even just one little thing, that they can teach us so don't pass anyone off as being useless to you.
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  • barzaad9564barzaad9564 The Naptown Tempest Joined: Posts: 1,192
    you're saying like having several sets of king of the hill (winner stays and gets a point) style?... one for each region?... that could work... as long as the premium players from each state compete... F.I.O.3 is gonna be primetime... hoping i can get a nice rounded level of skill between now and then so i can drop some jaws... lotsa good advice in this thread guys keep it flowing for the up in coming kids... i'll send in my questionnaire here in a few hours so i can do my part...
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  • Rex0rRex0r Do smart stuff Joined: Posts: 2,731
    Fight out 3 is going to be pretty hype, its a great venue for tournies.

    Also I think we should setup a vent server for MW players to set up matches for SF / BB / HDR / Insert game and pass the info around to the whole MW community only.

    On a side Note Chicago tournie scene is pretty crowded ATM but I was really thinking of implementing the revival of Midwest Challenge, if anyone remembers them we usually ran 2 of those per year in Nickel City and did very well at bringing together MW regions together. Also when I do revive those tournaments( Ill give a HUGE heads up on them for everyone to come ) I would like to declare a region challenge, which would pit 5 of the best players of each state against each other in a format where everyone would play each other(round robin I think), and would be point based depending on who won more. Im not sure if they would be at Nickel City though but this is something im brewing up currently, some feedback would be great :).

    D aka oldschool Nigga_D.

    wow 5on5 state vs state would be hype. I was just thinking about wanting to come up to chicago too, but its hard to know what tourny to go to when you guys have like 2 on the same weekend and shit :looney: You should make this happen :tup:

    I like this idea too.

    edit- umm, seems like everyone thinks D ment that states will play each other in 5on5? I took it as each states 5 best playing ala the regional 5on5 at evo this year?
  • TacticsTactics Joined: Posts: 1,871
    Yeah in other words everyone will play each other once. And yes Rex each states best.

    Or

    We could do it traditional 5v5 where the man that wins stays, but Id have to think of a way on how to determine who would win as id really like for every state to play each other. Guess I could just do it that way and just post results on how each state fairs against each other. Dunno gimme some better ideas if not im going to go with the first one probably ><.

    So far this is what im thinking for around January for Elvenshadow / Bozac's Frosty Faustings, I will run the Street Fighter Side of things. Ohh and ill be talking to Bozac about calling it also Midwest Challenge for the SF side.
  • Rex0rRex0r Do smart stuff Joined: Posts: 2,731
    Yeah in other words everyone will play each other once. And yes Rex each states best.

    Or

    We could do it traditional 5v5 where the man that wins stays, but Id have to think of a way on how to determine who would win as id really like for every state to play each other. Guess I could just do it that way and just post results on how each state fairs against each other. Dunno gimme some better ideas if not im going to go with the first one probably ><.

    So far this is what im thinking for around January for Elvenshadow / Bozac's Frosty Faustings, I will run the Street Fighter Side of things. Ohh and ill be talking to Bozac about calling it also Midwest Challenge for the SF side.


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  • AuhsojSivartAuhsojSivart mmmmm bison Joined: Posts: 989
    State vs State 5 on 5 would be nice, but something tells me that quite a few good players would get left out.

    NOT NECESSARILY SAYING I'M A GOOD PLAYER (disclaimer)

    I play mostly in Chicago, but I'm from Indiana. Unfortunately, most of the Indiana scene is in Indianapolis. I'd guess that the 5 from Indiana would probably all come from there, leaving out the good NWI players and Fort Wayne and whatever.

    Just an observation, not really a complaint.
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  • Riot GuardRiot Guard Old School Joined: Posts: 3,903
    I think the cool thing about rankings is that it gets people motivated to play face to face and off that weak online. Yea, ranking battles mean little in terms of realistic rankings considering we're in the MW but I might just get people motivated to travel once they get more comfortable with playing IRL. Canada had ranbats and they still travel.

    We've got some top players in other games just not 3s as it lacks popularity. I'm gonna send my info in for the roundup. I'll see if I can get some other Indianapolis players to submit profiles too.
  • OsirunOsirun www.powerupfighters.org Joined: Posts: 2,062
    If you want to get as good as East Coast/West Coast/Canada you have to go to majors in those areas. Having 12 majors in the Midwest isn't give players the experience they could get from one major in EC/WC. People have the misconception that just playing more gets you better. This is only the case at on an incremental level. Ranking tounies in the MW doesn't encourage people to travel to actually level their game, it says "keep playing in local 16-man tournies to increase your MW Gamerscore".

    The Midwest stretches from NE to Ohio -- why people want this idea of ranking ourselves, when this is the like the fourth-tier zone but the biggest spread of distance for fighters in terms of national top play, I don't understand. Ranking work for one location (FFA or CTF). Or in a game you can play solo and post your score online. Or in a game with flawless online (not us).

    Like, if I win more 3s tournies than Antwan, but I lose to him everytime I play in tourney the rare times we face each other, should my ranking make me feel like I'm better? My personal goal should be matching him, not winning more locals I feel pretty confident I'll win. He didn't do it obviously for his APEX score but to win $$ and just play, but it was just kind of a goofy other thing to do that nobody took seriously.

    I don't see how this helps players other than artificial bragging rights, when your goals in tourney should just be to win and learn as it is.

    Yeah, sflegend Nash was in that APEX thing -- he said it was pretty silly. He was #2 in Tekken for a loooong time he said :P just because they traveled to pretty much any Tekken event around.

    This isn't all to hate on our hard-working players. MW has a lot of players who work hard at their games, get together, are good people and play a lot. But most the fact remains there is a large gap btw MW and other regions, which it's hard to understand unless you play these people in your game and see the different things they're doing, that you can't see on video, that makes up their gameplay style. The more people we have going to Evo/Final Round/EC tournies/MD-VA events, the more skill we'll have back home.

    I'm sure it's a good time though for Midwest Challenge to make a comeback though

    It is all too true that the coasts have higher level play than the Midwest, so how do we get people out to those events? I think this is a much more important question than a ranking system, as Ghaleon rightfully points out.

    While having many Midwest majors wouldn't bring up our players to the level of the coasts, I do believe that it would help the winners gain the confidence and ability (monetarily) to travel to areas with higher level players. The more majors we have in the Midwest, the more money that can be won, and the more likely that our top players can then travel and play the coasts' top players.

    If these top MW players then come back (and don't decide to move to the coasts, lol), then they can bring back their experience to share with the rest of us. Barring the secretive players, I'm sure most would be willing to teach others, even if it's unconscious. They learn new ways to play the game and it just trickles down as they play people back at home in the MW.

    I believe the first step is to get MW players organized. That's the biggest problem right now; just getting players together across these vast distances. TOs in all the different states hosting some sort of statewide major would be an excellent start. Majors in every state is probably an impossible dream, but you get the general idea. With a greater number of regular majors across the region, players have more opportunities to practice and get winnings.

    The more close knit the MW becomes, the easier it will then be to convince our top players that it's worth it to travel to, say, the EC at first. Take a trip to Final Round and some of the MD/VA tourneys. Then, as that becomes a comfortable practice, expand to include regular trips to the WC. I'm not talking once every month, or even once every three months, but at least twice a year not counting EVO.

    We have to fix our community's organizational problems first. Then, with that complete, and people traveling, we can grow from there. Not many people will know this here on SRK, but the SSBB community has two Midwest leagues, one for the MW East and one for the West. From what I've heard MW Brawl players are at a relatively high level. Perhaps a similar web of tournaments could be created in the MW for SF, BB, KOF, etc.
  • Arkayne17Arkayne17 Stop it meg. Joined: Posts: 2,857
    I vote webster is banned from the midwest.. that niggas a scrub XD lol...

    Hes lower tier than Sean lmao

    State vs State 5 on 5 would be nice, but something tells me that quite a few good players would get left out.

    NOT NECESSARILY SAYING I'M A GOOD PLAYER (disclaimer)

    I play mostly in Chicago, but I'm from Indiana. Unfortunately, most of the Indiana scene is in Indianapolis. I'd guess that the 5 from Indiana would probably all come from there, leaving out the good NWI players and Fort Wayne and whatever.

    Just an observation, not really a complaint.

    Somehow I think it should be like city/region... that way.. People wouldnt get left out.

    But that would take sooo long to get done though.
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  • J-MoneyJ-Money Multi Mystery-game Master Medalist Joined: Posts: 1,051
    Osirun i emailed you about the midwest roundup.
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  • OsirunOsirun www.powerupfighters.org Joined: Posts: 2,062
    Osirun i emailed you about the midwest roundup.

    And I emailed you back. Like I said, other responsibilities keep me from updating the Roundup right when I get the emails, so please be patient. I'll send you another email when your page is done, which should be today.
  • NappyJinNappyJin Twat Joined: Posts: 1,758
    Man, the idea of Midwest Challenge coming back is fucking awesome.


    I like the idea of a 5v5 between the states, as well.


    EDIT: I want in on that August show with Syxx, lol.
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  • J-MoneyJ-Money Multi Mystery-game Master Medalist Joined: Posts: 1,051
    And I emailed you back. Like I said, other responsibilities keep me from updating the Roundup right when I get the emails, so please be patient. I'll send you another email when your page is done, which should be today.


    Sorry for being impatient. I wanst complaining, I was just unsure as which you checked more SRK or your Email.

    Thanks in advance
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  • OsirunOsirun www.powerupfighters.org Joined: Posts: 2,062
    Sorry for being impatient. I wanst complaining, I was just unsure as which you checked more SRK or your Email.

    Thanks in advance

    Sorry if I came across a little short. It's all good. I check my normal email a bit more, but SRK at least once a day.

    EDIT: I want in on that August show with Syxx, lol.

    I've already recorded Syxx's interview, but I'm always looking for new guests. Just let me know in a pm.


    UPDATE! Just released episode #7 with Webster aka Devildigimon. I thought the subject matter was so great that I've released the episode the day of recording. Normally I wait for the schedule, but not this time!
  • NappyJinNappyJin Twat Joined: Posts: 1,758
    Damn.

    I feel left out. Webster on a Podcast, Dan's gonna be on a Podcast...


    Looks like it's time to blow up a gerbil.
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  • Arkayne17Arkayne17 Stop it meg. Joined: Posts: 2,857
    after seeing what happened to the midwest at EVO. I really think WE ALL could benefit. From gathering together one occasions for some SERIOUS practice. I think everyone on the midwest team was a little nervous. I can't say for really anyone else cause ive only played humbag on occasions , but it did feel like you werent fully in your game humbag.


    Someone needs to organize something.
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  • TiggyTiggy j.B loop > Skittles Joined: Posts: 2,060
    Someone give me more money and a better job so I can travel problem solved
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  • J-MoneyJ-Money Multi Mystery-game Master Medalist Joined: Posts: 1,051
    Man, J-money wants to to a podcast. Osirun I URGE you to come out to FIO3 dude.
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  • Syxx573Syxx573 Jo Mama Joined: Posts: 8,963
    i was already on a pod cast. It should be up soon I'm assuming. If u wanna do a pod cast just PM Osirun like I did. He's willing to talk to any scrub out there.
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    double post, somehow
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  • GhaleonGhaleon Maximum Cammy Joined: Posts: 3,467
    IMO I really don't agree w/ what Webster says about being a scrub -- sorry man. edit: I like the podcast though, it's a good one.

    Scrub I think is pretty accepted as meaning someone who uses excuses when they lose and/or plays a game a lot but doesn't make an effort to improve. Saying stuff like "I use an honorable char" is scrubby. Nothing wrong w/ having fun though if that's where you want to take games though. If you're just a jerk, you're a jerk, not a scrub :)

    I'd also define scrubdom as thinking you're a lot better than your tourney placings/skill level say you are, but thinking other guys are getting lucky on you, stick didn't work, thinking you're better than established players when you haven't done anything, thinking you're as good as other guys because you watch videos, etc. etc. :rofl: I'm sure everyone is guilty of those things once in a while, but some people make a living off of those attitudes, haha

    Ex: I'm still involved w/ the music game (pre-GH/RB stuff) stuff mostly in Ohio, which is still going, and a lot of the guys just don't understand what fighters are like at high level. The one guy was saying he went to TGA, barely knew anything about GG and beat a bunch of guys who got mad. I was like, well, if you're just some random dude and you beat some guys at a fighter, I really doubt they were any good, nothing to get an ego over. But even with BB he's like "I just got on and I'm 6-1" like he's all proud.

    Most people like that duck the people they KNOW are good and just put themselves in situations at a low level, where they can be successful. The people who actually are into fighters want to seek out beatdowns so they can learn HOW to deliver future beatdowns!
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  • Syxx573Syxx573 Jo Mama Joined: Posts: 8,963
    i just listened to the podcast and as someone who has known webster personally for 5 years i've never heard so much bullshit in my life :lol: oh and also i enjoyed how he brought me up TWICE and how he changed the definition of the word scrub
  • GhaleonGhaleon Maximum Cammy Joined: Posts: 3,467
    Domination 101: You can lead a scrub to water, but you can't make him think. IMO this is pretty standard
    Domination 101: On Cheapness

    Also I agree that, if I were a top player I'd probably share my knowledge with a lot of people, but I personally don't expect those guys to. In old school arcades, when you traveled to other areas because you were seeking out people to battle, you were there to be cutthroat and to win. So I can understand both mentalities -- wanting to better the scene, and thereby learning from other people to who bounce off your ideas; and also keeping the best strats for yourself and letting people figure out what YOU are doing to them.

    I'm not a top player, but I'm good for the Midwest, so I do my best to teach people whatever I can, if they want to learn (some people you can tell don't really want help/advice, or they just don't listen if you try to give it)
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  • OsirunOsirun www.powerupfighters.org Joined: Posts: 2,062
    I'm glad Webster's podcast sparked up some conversation and a little debate. You need to come back and do another podcast soon, Ghaleon! Talk some more about the Midwest and how to get people traveling and leveling up; that'd be good stuff.
    Man, J-money wants to to a podcast. Osirun I URGE you to come out to FIO3 dude.

    Oh man, I'd love to, but Arcade Legends is having a tournament that very same day. I have to do my part to support them since they're the only arcade (of any merit) within reasonable distance from me.

    And if you'd like to do a podcast, just pm me and we'll set up the time. I use Skype to do interviews online, and am capable of taking calls from regular phones.
  • GhaleonGhaleon Maximum Cammy Joined: Posts: 3,467
    Sure Nathan -- just name a time and we can do it. I think we can come up with a lot of material to cover still :)
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  • humbaghumbag Team IFD Joined: Posts: 7,403
    after seeing what happened to the midwest at EVO. I really think WE ALL could benefit. From gathering together one occasions for some SERIOUS practice. I think everyone on the midwest team was a little nervous. I can't say for really anyone else cause ive only played humbag on occasions , but it did feel like you werent fully in your game humbag.


    Someone needs to organize something.

    I wasnt on top of my game at all.

    TV was kinda laggy, I had NO warmup time, and it was my first time doing anything remotely close to this.

    I should have beaten him in at least the first round.

    Dont even say anything about the ULTRA that fucked up. So much shit went wrong during that which is attributed to lag/nerves.


    I was only 1 game from qualifiying out of my pool. Lost to a random rufus (shoulda beat but played bad) then lost by a small small margin to Ricky Ortiz whome I took to 3 games and 3 rounds in the final game.
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    I don't think anyone is attacking you Humbag. I think that you played well. Also, It seems that as a whole in the Midwest we have a lot of pressure on us to perform, because we have everything to prove to those on the east and west coasts.
  • J-MoneyJ-Money Multi Mystery-game Master Medalist Joined: Posts: 1,051
    Humbag did you see how hype I was that you were in the 5v5? i posted on my facebook in ALL CAPS, that means i was yelling! good job, you did wayy better than I would've
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  • barzaad9564barzaad9564 The Naptown Tempest Joined: Posts: 1,192
    just finished and sent in my Roundup profile, pm me if you want me for a podcast or watever's clever... Humbag... J-munny... see you 2 and FIO3... and good shit at the 5v5 humbag i know we didn't win but we can always do that next year i suppose
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  • Arkayne17Arkayne17 Stop it meg. Joined: Posts: 2,857
    I wasnt on top of my game at all.

    TV was kinda laggy, I had NO warmup time, and it was my first time doing anything remotely close to this.

    I should have beaten him in at least the first round.

    Dont even say anything about the ULTRA that fucked up. So much shit went wrong during that which is attributed to lag/nerves.


    I was only 1 game from qualifiying out of my pool. Lost to a random rufus (shoulda beat but played bad) then lost by a small small margin to Ricky Ortiz whome I took to 3 games and 3 rounds in the final game.


    I know bro , I was watching you and I was just like man.. this aint the bag ive played before. That sucks you didnt get any warmup man.


    Well dude overall hearing that id say you did pretty good. Hopefully nothing like that happens next year.
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  • ockSockS Default Champ Joined: Posts: 77
    Great stuff Osirun. I just caught up on the last two podcasts. I have to say they've been a pleasure to listen too.
  • OsirunOsirun www.powerupfighters.org Joined: Posts: 2,062
    Thanks ockS! I appreciate the kind words. I'm going to keep trying to make the podcast even better as time goes on.

    I'd like to try weekly podcasts, but there are two problems:

    Availability of guests
    Choosing a fun format

    Finding a couple recurring guests would probably be pretty easy, and the podcast would still be interspersed with many other people. The bigger problem is choosing a good format, and I'd like some suggestions.

    I could rotate a format for recurring guests. Such as tournament talk one week, strategy the next, community after that, a player intro, so and so forth. Everyone let me know what you think would be interesting to listen to.
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