BLAZBLUE: Q&A For newcomers (PLEASE POST/CHECK HERE BEFORE MAKING A THREAD!!!)

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  • SpudSpud Bottom-Tier Hipster Joined: Posts: 492
    So it'd be sufficient for learning the basics, but not for serious practice, would that be right?
    More or less. It's fine for getting the feel of the game.
  • DeikanDeikan Jesus Kick Masher! Joined: Posts: 128
    I'm new to the Blazblue scene, but my goal is to get good at the game and compete in tournaments at a high competitive level. I wish to ask: Is the new Blazblue game going to be released for disk or dlc. I haven't bought Continuum Shift yet and people keep telling me to buy CS or wait for the disk release of CS Extend.

    I really want to get into the lab immediately, but before I do I need to know, is CS Extend going to be dlc so I can buy CS right now, or should I wait come December for the disk release of the new game/extended version?
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  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 23,294
    I'm new to the Blazblue scene, but my goal is to get good at the game and compete in tournaments at a high competitive level. I wish to ask: Is the new Blazblue game going to be released for disk or dlc. I haven't bought Continuum Shift yet and people keep telling me to buy CS or wait for the disk release of CS Extend.

    I really want to get into the lab immediately, but before I do I need to know, is CS Extend going to be dlc so I can buy CS right now, or should I wait come December for the disk release of the new game/extended version?
    wait until december
    BBCSEX is going to be released as disc only, not dlcthis time
    though if you dont mind buying cs and get the update patch for csii to start practicing then go for it, the changes between csii and csex are not that "big" compared to previous revisions, now remember you still would have to buy the dlc chars if you are interested to play with them
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  • AirkAirk Joined: Posts: 1,024
    BBCS:EX is not coming out in December unless you are looking to import. It's coming out whenever the PS:Vita launches over here (Amazon is currently guessing that that is in March 2012.). Honestly, if you're serious, at this point, I'd say it's still worth buying BB:CS for twenty bucks or whatever, to get your practice in. What I would -not- suggest is paying for any of the DLC.
  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 23,294
    BBCS:EX is not coming out in December unless you are looking to import. It's coming out whenever the PS:Vita launches over here (Amazon is currently guessing that that is in March 2012.). Honestly, if you're serious, at this point, I'd say it's still worth buying BB:CS for twenty bucks or whatever, to get your practice in. What I would -not- suggest is paying for any of the DLC.
    what if he is interested on any of the chars then?
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  • AirkAirk Joined: Posts: 1,024
    Then I still wouldn't suggest waiting for BBCS:EX.

    Seriously though, if the ONLY character he can find that interests him is DLC, he's probably doing something wrong.
  • KrusivKrusiv Joined: Posts: 486
    I watched a few tournament videos just before and Blazblue does look interesting. The characters seem interesting and the combos looked more varied. Well, except one Taokaka match I saw: it looked like she looped between two normals for ages, racking up significant damage. Other than that, however, it looked worth checking out. Several characters caught my eye, and the game does not *look* as dull as Guilty Gear did.
    Taokaka is destined to always be a loop character. lol
  • YazumattoYazumatto Nanomachines, son. Joined: Posts: 2,389
    Then I still wouldn't suggest waiting for BBCS:EX.

    Seriously though, if the ONLY character he can find that interests him is DLC, he's probably doing something wrong.

    I dunno. The only real reason that got me into BB was the fact that there was a character named Makoto that played like Makoto (and Dudley). I mean sure I like some others now since I got to look at them (Hazama, Lambda) but watching a 5'4 girl with squirrel ears, a huge tail, and questionable taste in clothing punch/parry the living shit out of everything is what keeps me in this game. I'm considering getting this game + DLC so I could play at home instead of at a friend's place all the time.

    That and I want to have as much time to play with the good Makoto before I have to get used to a Makoto thoroughly beaten by the nerf hammer. At least she'll be normal in BB3 if ASW's character changes are anything to go by. =/

    ...I'm assuming the DLC are still purchasable?
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  • AirkAirk Joined: Posts: 1,024
    Makoto plays like Makoto? News to me. :P Sounds like your "only real reason" for getting into this game isn't...really...even...very...legit.

    Seriously people. I'm glad you like your characters, but if you're playing a game for one character and not for, you know, the game, I worry for you.

    Also, what do you mean by "the DLC are still purchasable"? For "old" versions of the game? For EX when it comes out? If the former, then we presume so, since it'd be stupid to stop selling it. If the latter, there's no DLC for EX (yet). All characters are included.
  • KrusivKrusiv Joined: Posts: 486
    Seriously people. I'm glad you like your characters, but if you're playing a game for one character and not for, you know, the game, I worry for you.
    I agree with this guy. If the only reason you like BB is because of Makoto then we can't really persuade you to buy the game or not. It's all up to you; if you really want to spend $20+8 for CS2 Makoto or $40ish for EX Makoto, go for it.

    I was hoping that Mak/Valk/Plat weren't included with the disc version of EX. It's a casual complaint, I know, but now I feel cheated out of $24 I paid for those DLC characters.
  • AirkAirk Joined: Posts: 1,024
    I was hoping that Mak/Valk/Plat weren't included with the disc version of EX. It's a casual complaint, I know, but now I feel cheated out of $24 I paid for those DLC characters.

    See, this is why I am frustrated with the non-upgrade path for this. Including the three DLC characters is GREAT for people who haven't already bought them (Which would mostly be either cheap people or newcomers to the franchise), but it sucks for people who've been sticking around and buying this stuff as it comes out.

    I would cheerfully have given them $20 for an update including Relius, or $15 + a $7 character buy.

    Not real excited if this is going to be a $40 game. Maybe it'll be super cheap at launch at $30. Oh well. Not sweating it until there's a price point announcement anyway. Worst case, it's good for me if I want to buy BB for the other console.
  • KrusivKrusiv Joined: Posts: 486
    See, this is why I am frustrated with the non-upgrade path for this. Including the three DLC characters is GREAT for people who haven't already bought them (Which would mostly be either cheap people or newcomers to the franchise), but it sucks for people who've been sticking around and buying this stuff as it comes out.

    I would cheerfully have given them $20 for an update including Relius, or $15 + a $7 character buy.

    Not real excited if this is going to be a $40 game. Maybe it'll be super cheap at launch at $30. Oh well. Not sweating it until there's a price point announcement anyway. Worst case, it's good for me if I want to buy BB for the other console.
    Yeah, I was REALLY hoping that EX would be kinda like SF4AE was. I'll hold in most of my complaints until the NA price is confirmed but I will be really upset if its like $40 for Relius and balance changes, then another $8 a pop for Kokonoe, Jubei, Saya, etc etc. I knoooow that CSEX has a lot of added stuff like story mode for DLC characters, 2 other one player modes, and some team battle online stuff but all that doesn't matter when all I care about is the core 1v1 gameplay. It is a fighting game afterall.

    Oops, so much for not complaining. o_O
  • YazumattoYazumatto Nanomachines, son. Joined: Posts: 2,389
    Makoto plays like Makoto? News to me. :P Sounds like your "only real reason" for getting into this game isn't...really...even...very...legit.

    Seriously people. I'm glad you like your characters, but if you're playing a game for one character and not for, you know, the game, I worry for you.

    LOL.

    I wasn't very clear. What I should have said was, BB looked fun already, a DLC sold it to me as something I want to invest in. Also, wanting to play as V-13 in BB:CT didn't exactly invite friends to play you either (why they were willing to play against one broke character over another, I don't know), so I didn't get to enjoy it as much as I do now.

    Also, you aren't exactly selling the game to me as I'm already playing it. I'm just figuring out if I want to play more than I do now or save money. Plus, you can't tell me that you don't know people who want to by UMvC3 for Phoenix Wright because I know quite a few people that are going to buy it for that reason. :P

    In any case, to each his/her own.
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  • AirkAirk Joined: Posts: 1,024
    I think you're missing the point a bit. Of course people are going to buy UMC3 for Phoenix Wright. He's a new character - in fact, he's one of quite a few. I hate to say it, but that is how you do a disc upgrade - you add a bunch of characters, so even people who bought the DLC ones get something new.

    The question is whether someone who "only" likes the DLC characters should wait for the new version. The answer is "Nobody in their right mind ONLY likes the DLC characters." :P They might like them BEST, but if you like the DLC characters and hate everyone else in the game, I suggest you spend your time and money elsewhere, because at the end of the day, we'll all be happier if you go play a game you like.
  • YazumattoYazumatto Nanomachines, son. Joined: Posts: 2,389
    Then I'll make it clear by saying I don't hate everyone else then lol. I never said I hated the game.

    Besides, this is an anime game. People like what they like. If a werewolf, a loli, or a furry makes them want to play the game when nothing else will, so be it. ASW sure isn't complaining. Not to hate on you or nothing but you did come off a bit harsh on the DLC thing so I felt like responding. :P

    /opinions
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  • ZoularZoular Joined: Posts: 12
    I believe Yazumatto should get the game if they believe they'll enjoy it enough, whether its for one DLC character or the game entirely. I would suggest CSEX if there were a confirmation date, it may be March or whatever, its still a while till then.
    As for EU... lol that'll probably be much later, we're only now just getting CS2 on handheld in Nov. I'll probably need to import CSEX myself.
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  • AirkAirk Joined: Posts: 1,024
    Well, there's an "earliest possible" date for EX now: February 22nd, when the Vita releases stateside.

    Will EX be launching here on that date? Dunno, but it sure won't be before that.
  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 23,294
    and the game does not *look* as dull as Guilty Gear did.
    i know its an old post and all, but LMAO
    if you find Guilty Gear dull, then i dont know what to say, seriously, that shit is just hilarious and sad at the same time
    I was hoping that Mak/Valk/Plat weren't included with the disc version of EX. It's a casual complaint, I know, but now I feel cheated out of $24 I paid for those DLC characters.

    what would be the point of selling the game incomplete
    the whole idea is to sell the new revision
    plus how do you can feel cheated after getting BBCS2 for free??
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  • KrusivKrusiv Joined: Posts: 486
    I understand why they are doing it but that doesn't mean I have to like it. It's just a small complaint of mine -- it's nothing to start something over.
  • AirkAirk Joined: Posts: 1,024
    It's pretty simple, really:

    BBCS:EX is not a new game. You want to know how you can tell? Because it's not a new game in the arcades. It's just the Vita port getting ported back.

    This has pros and cons. The end.
  • DeikanDeikan Jesus Kick Masher! Joined: Posts: 128
    Question:

    Is Rachel worth using in CS2 or in the upcoming CSEX? I'm interested in maining her, but I need to know: is she tourney worthy? I really like her character and her defensive and keep away style interest me but the tiers list her at the bottom.
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  • Zane HitsurugiZane Hitsurugi X-buster, ready. Joined: Posts: 1,077
    Then I'll make it clear by saying I don't hate everyone else then lol. I never said I hated the game.

    Besides, this is an anime game. People like what they like. If a werewolf, a loli, or a furry makes them want to play the game when nothing else will, so be it. ASW sure isn't complaining. Not to hate on you or nothing but you did come off a bit harsh on the DLC thing so I felt like responding. :P

    /opinions
    Will someone PLEASE tell me what an "anime" game is?
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    Is Rachel worth using in CS2 or in the upcoming CSEX? I'm interested in maining her, but I need to know: is she tourney worthy? I really like her character and her defensive and keep away style interest me but the tiers list her at the bottom.

    Rachel is absolutely NOT at the bottom of the Tier list in either CS2 (I'd place her high-mid) or CSEX (Heck if I know, but her changes don't look very groundbreaking.) She was low (but not bottom - Tager won that prize) in CS1, but that's old news now, so she's totally worth learning.
    Will someone PLEASE tell me what an "anime" game is?

    Technically, it's just what it sounds like a fighting game where the character designs look like something out of an anime. It doesn't have to be based on one (Though games like Melty Blood and Aquapazza are), and while it has associations with airdash/high combo count fighters (And indeed, it's rare to find a slow paced, non-airdash, low combo count anime fighter - I'm actually not aware of ANY, but I'm definitely not aware of most of them.), obviously, not all fighters with airdashes and high combo counts (looking at you, MvC) are anime fighters. It's really just an aesthetic distinction. Some people like the look, some don't, and some don't care.
  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 23,294
    Will someone PLEASE tell me what an "anime" game is?
    anime game is a term that many srkers use to describe any game that comes from japan that its not sf and marvel
    usually many people use it to label games where you find air dashes, chains, a good amount of subsystems and other stuff
    (dark stalkers, mvc2 and mvc3 fall on the category btw, but since they are made by cacpcom, no one calls them like that), though not every game called anime has them, like Akatsuki, Ougon, etc
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  • Zane HitsurugiZane Hitsurugi X-buster, ready. Joined: Posts: 1,077
    anime game is a term that many srkers use to describe any game that comes from japan that its not sf and marvel
    usually many people use it to label games where you find air dashes, chains, a good amount of subsystems and other stuff
    (dark stalkers, mvc2 and mvc3 fall on the category btw, but since they are made by cacpcom, no one calls them like that), though not every game called anime has them, like Akatsuki, Ougon, etc
    what is this..I dont even.
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  • ZoularZoular Joined: Posts: 12
    Question:

    Is Rachel worth using in CS2 or in the upcoming CSEX? I'm interested in maining her, but I need to know: is she tourney worthy? I really like her character and her defensive and keep away style interest me but the tiers list her at the bottom.
    Use her she's great, worse thing that happened to her from CS2 to EX is 6B no longer being jump cancelable. She was Rachel (crap) tier in CS, that was pretty much two years ago now.
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  • TrazzyTrazzy Joined: Posts: 13
    So I picked up Calamity Trigger this weekend on a great deal and I absolutely fell in love with the game! I love everything about it! The music the characters the gameplay the backgrounds everything is wonderful! I was surprised I had never looked at this game before this given how much Ive played SF4. Anyway I was just wondering who the dlc characters are for each game and if those games/chars are worth getting given how soon the next one is coming out. (Dec right?)

    I would normally look up stuff like this on my own but I can't find it anywhere.
    Also what is the best way to get better? Practice mode or online? Ive found matches online surprisingly.
    And 1 last question... Why is Bang so godlike? He is prolly the best character in anything ever!
  • KrusivKrusiv Joined: Posts: 486
    CT has no DLC characters
    CS/CS2 have Makoto, Valkenhayn, Platinum
    We aren't exactly sure when the console version of CS:Extend is coming out. It's either sometime in December or in Q1 of 2012. So, "soon™".
  • AirkAirk Joined: Posts: 1,024
    Again, CS:Extend is not going to be out over here until late February at the earliest - Aksys has said it will not release until the PS Vita does, and that's sometime in late Feb.

    To answer other questions:
    Everyone will tell you that online is a "bad" way to get better. But the reality is that most people don't have realistic opportunities to play this game offline at a level above "Yeah, some of my friends button mash on it.". So: Training mode is good for some things (learning spacing, combos), the AI is good for some others (hitconfirms), and online will be where it's at for matchups.
  • seyuseyu Joined: Posts: 147
    Hi guys. Ive been out of the Bb scene for quite a while. not that theres a scene where i live, i just didnt play anymore or check what was going on after relius was announced. I just read though that the release is in december and people all over japan get to test it. also that theyre selling it as a retail version not as DLC...which brings me to my question: Do they really plan to get away with balance changes and 1 lousy new character? I was thinking theyd at least announce a few more, but seeing the release date, that doesnt seem to be the case. Is there any insight on that that i missed? Its not on DL anywhere to be seen and i dont really wanna ask there, my experience with those guys is pretty bad...
  • AirkAirk Joined: Posts: 1,024
    Short answer: Yes, they think they can get away with it, and people seem inclined to let them.

    Longer answer: It's not really a new game. It's just that they've decided to port the Vita version of the game "back" to traditional consoles. Balance stuff+new stories+a couple of game modes+1 new character is a perfectly normal, even GOOD release for a handheld version of the game, and it makes a perfectly fine update for Arcades. I personally think this leaves those of us who play exclusively on consoles in a somewhat unpleasant situation, but I seem to be in the minority.

    But it looks like their balance changes totally nerfed Tsubaki for no readily good identifiable reason, so I don't really care if I miss it. :P
  • seyuseyu Joined: Posts: 147
    hm sucks then. Even though CS2 wasnt even very unbalanced.
    maybe if they sell it very cheap or give me a free vita with it...
    Also i thought theyd at least get kokonoe in the game.
  • CrashdCrashd Joined: Posts: 270
    Are there any characters that a newbie should gravitate to or avoid? After dicking around in practice/challenge mode a bit, all the characters are weird and have 9-page-long typing practice combos. o_O Kinda gravitating toward Arakune at first glance...
  • AirkAirk Joined: Posts: 1,024
    Heh. Well, on my short list of characters I would suggest a newbie avoid, I'd have picked Arakune. ;) Not because he's bad, or because he's complicated (He's not really either one), but because he's not going to do a very good job of teaching you how to play the game. Arakune plays by a fairly radically different set of rules than the rest of the cast - quite literally, he basically doesn't CARE about doing damage until he achieves curse state (Though obviously he'll do a little.). He also has...er...pretty bad normals, overall, and is probably the most gimmicky character in the game.

    Depending on your background, I'd suggest getting accustomed to the game engine a little bit by playing around with one of the more "normal" characters - Ragna, Jin, Bang, Hakumen, maybe Platinum or Makoto (or Tager, but honestly, he's going to skew your play a bit if he's the first character you pick up. Xbox live is strewn with the corpses of people who picked Tager off the bat, blew up a bunch of newbies, and never learned to play.). OTOH, if you're a veteran and looking for something different (particularly if you have background in an airdash fighter - even Marvel) then just grab whoever you want and go to town. I'd suggest going through the tutorial segments for both the game engine and the various characters - it's kindof a wall of text, but it'll teach you both the game mechanics (and there are a bunch of 'em), and the general gist of how each character is supposed to work. From there it'll be much easier to make an informed decision on who you want to play.
  • CallistoCallisto Level 3 Fireball Trap Queen Joined: Posts: 1,605
    I'd have to go with Jin as a starter, he's probably going to be the most familiar off the bat for anyone who has played any previous 2D FGs casually. I started with Ragna myself but kinda never really moved on, even now after two years I barely know how to work anyone else outside of vague knowledge of Tsubaki, lol.

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  • Zoidberg747Zoidberg747 Joined: Posts: 59
    I am playing Arakune as well. Is there any combos or normals that are especially good? Does he have some combos that a newbie would be able to pull off. What is the best way to get the opponent in curse state(I know in the corner I am doing 4D, which greatly helps).

    And yeah, any advice on Arakune would be greatly appreciated
  • Tonman3509Tonman3509 Joined: Posts: 53
    I'm going to be getting BlazBlue in about a day or so. I want to know if there's a character that you all would recommend to me to start out with, to get a feel for the game?
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  • McgreagMcgreag Joined: Posts: 23
    Ragna is a fairly good character to start out with. He is sort of made to be a good introduction.
    But remember that in BlazBlue every character is unique, just because Ragna is a good char to start out with doesn't mean any other character fights like him.
  • 321orez321orez Joined: Posts: 3
    So, score attack is probably the most pathetic way of getting people to buy DLC, and I'm positive that's the only reason why it's that hard, as a game normally shouldn't have to force you to use 1 attack as your only option of winning. /Opinion

    I'm playing Noel and I can get to UL Hakumen before I give up. I'm using the 2p cheat as well, but I just can't get past him. Can anyone give me some tips? Youtube won't help me...
  • CallistoCallisto Level 3 Fireball Trap Queen Joined: Posts: 1,605
    Score Attack Hakumen likes to airdash in, I usually wait for him to do it and pick him out of the air with whatever your best AA is(I play Ragna, he has a solid DP). Just wait for spots and pick away with small bnbs and then gtfo. Most of my wins vs. him are timeouts, lol. If you think he's bad, wait til you get to Rachel.

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