Fei Long Video Thread

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Some of the vids has st.lp, st.lp, c,lp+rekka, its just something im used to do. Doesn't mean its a macro.
    It's pretty offending to hear that, but I dont really care, you're entitled to your own opinion, so think whatever you want to think.
  • RPGv2RPGv2 Joined: Posts: 740
    Sorry if it's offending, I'm just saying some videos you kept doing it while the opponent wasn't near you, or you just keep doing it and not hit confirming the third hit.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Sometimes I just do it blindly since i'm used to it, I understand your perspective though :)

    I dont understand what do you mean by saying not hit confirming the third hit. Sometimes I just do the combo and if they block I stop on the second rekka to throw, since the third rekka will get me punished.

    Maybe this will convince you i'm not using macros:



    This video was taken when I was still starting to learn the combos, and I missed some of the links and combos.. hehe
  • HNIC MikeHNIC Mike Joined: Posts: 10,458
    nice matches, although it seems like d.lk d.lk d.lp rekka is a macro.

    thought i was the only one who noticed that. but hey, he can do whatever he wants, it only cheats him out of learning it properly if it is. and im sure he isnt the only person that may or may not be using macros on the pc version. im just glad that shit isnt rampant on the console versions

    EDIT: on second thought, im calling BS on your links. the balrog vid was from the day before these newer ones. you went from landing 0 links to landing every link in 1 day. those of us who have been practicing for 6 months on fei drop that shit sometimes still, and you went perfect in one day? :cybot::cybot::cybot::cybot:link:cybot::cybot:link
  • Hotdawg_SKAHotdawg_SKA Joined: Posts: 451 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    OMG what the heck is a macro? Is it some kinds shortcut cheat? Man, that's gay...I hate people who cheat. :lame:
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  • HNIC MikeHNIC Mike Joined: Posts: 10,458
    pc users can make 1 button combos. yes, lame
  • x_Rock_Lee_xx_Rock_Lee_x The God of Thunder Joined: Posts: 632
    He may of uploaded it the other day, but could of made that video awhile ago. For sure macro's are lame but we really don't know so we shouldn't accuse.
    'The Way of the Intercepting Fist.'
  • bubblanbubblan Joined: Posts: 253
    Sorry but I too have to suspect a macro going on. It's just way too inconsistent with the rest of your gameplay. Landing cr.lk, cr.lp, rekka 100% and never getting a combo after a CW is too suspicious.
  • Nemesys_SyndromeNemesys_Syndrome What the?! Where?! Joined: Posts: 2,412
    Cr.lk, Cr.lk, cr.lp xx Rekka Ken. Both cr.lk to cr.lp's are linked consistently...and every single time. Not once was the cr.lk chained.

    It just seems highly unlikely to hit 0.5 link combos every single time and not be able to hit a 1 frame link even once.
  • x_Rock_Lee_xx_Rock_Lee_x The God of Thunder Joined: Posts: 632
    Well if he is cheating with macros (tho I can't fathom why you would pay for a game, and then cheat your moves and not learn anything) it sucks for whom ever he meets up with, I am surprised that capcom, or Microsoft don't have some type of detector for this.
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  • SimpleKissSimpleKiss Getting Hit in the Mouth Joined: Posts: 1,005
    that Fei Long in the nico videos is pretty baller.
    Damn it feels good to be a gangster (kitten)
  • grimtoothgrimtooth chesto! Joined: Posts: 158
    Well if he is cheating with macros (tho I can't fathom why you would pay for a game, and then cheat your moves and not learn anything) it sucks for whom ever he meets up with, I am surprised that capcom, or Microsoft don't have some type of detector for this.

    you can't detect macros, its just automated keyboard input.

    the fei in the video sucks ass, i also think he uses macros.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Well, thinking is good, keep doing that. And keep envying :P
    Just because you suck, it doesnt mean I use macros, so as long as you can't prove it shut the fuck up. kthx.
  • Super SonicSuper Sonic Joined: Posts: 1,545
    I liked evilsnatcher's Fei. Dunno if he uses macros though.
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  • grimtoothgrimtooth chesto! Joined: Posts: 158
    nah, that fei is ass, he even has trouble to beat scrubs.
    there is this video where he plays a gief who can barely walk forward, i left a comment on the video and he deleted it.

    that fei got:
    no spacing
    no pokes
    no timing (except on that lp -> rekka)
    trouble to input ultra....

    envy you, yeah right :-D
  • BallaticianBallatician the Thug Joined: Posts: 253
    It's not that hard of a combo to pull off... I mean landing it every time is challenging but maybe he just practiced it more than any other technique. I got suspicious when he wasn't following up with the combo after the EX CW too, however.

    But this macro argument is not worth getting into. After all, Bubblan is the one with the final say on whether or not his vids are posted to main index. It's a waste to get heated over somethin like this.
  • bubblanbubblan Joined: Posts: 253
    It's not that hard of a combo to pull off... I mean landing it every time is challenging but maybe he just practiced it more than any other technique. I got suspicious when he wasn't following up with the combo after the EX CW too, however.

    But this macro argument is not worth getting into. After all, Bubblan is the one with the final say on whether or not his vids are posted to main index. It's a waste to get heated over somethin like this.

    hehe I like that status.

    Really it doesn't matter those videos will stay. I'm not gonna start removing videos just because of some argument like this or if someone changes their mind and want their videos removed.
  • BallaticianBallatician the Thug Joined: Posts: 253
    I'm not gonna start removing videos just because of some argument like this or if someone changes their mind and want their videos removed.

    So there it is then. I just keep seeing people calling this dude out on different threads now, stupid.

    I'm going to start posting some of my videos soon, what would you guys say is the easiest (and free) way to capture match footage on the PC version?
  • Hotdawg_SKAHotdawg_SKA Joined: Posts: 451 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    It's not that hard of a combo to pull off... I mean landing it every time is challenging but maybe he just practiced it more than any other technique. I got suspicious when he wasn't following up with the combo after the EX CW too, however.

    But this macro argument is not worth getting into. After all, Bubblan is the one with the final say on whether or not his vids are posted to main index. It's a waste to get heated over somethin like this.

    Is there a reason why he wouldn't be able to use that macro after EX CW? Does it not allow you to use a macro after a special move or something?
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  • BallaticianBallatician the Thug Joined: Posts: 253
    Is there a reason why he wouldn't be able to use that macro after EX CW? Does it not allow you to use a macro after a special move or something?

    No clue.
  • nosonenosone Joined: Posts: 1,319
    Probably timing issues. If the macro is simply: cr.LK> cr.LK> cr.LP> Rekka with a 1-frame link for each normal, then he would still have to time the button press after EX CW to initiate the macro.

    With this in mind, if he mistimes the button press to initiate the macro and the opponent blocks, Fei will try to link the three normals (which can be interrupted since they're not rapid-fire canceled), and finish off all three Rekkas. This would give the opponent 3 chances to interrupt the normals, followed by a huge punishment window after the 3rd Rekka.

    With cr.HK, it's only 1 chance to interrupt, and a smaller punishment window (though it's still freaking huge).
  • HNIC MikeHNIC Mike Joined: Posts: 10,458
    But this macro argument is not worth getting into..... It's a waste to get heated over somethin like this.

    agreed. valid point. less flame, more vids is good for all.

    see below
  • HNIC MikeHNIC Mike Joined: Posts: 10,458
    leet double post

    couple casual vids of me vs antwan ortiz. dude got third at the gamestop nationals, and second at evo midwest, where he lost to mike ross, and marn, respectively. he switched his main to gouken cuz "theres too many balrogs", aparently





    was trying really hard toget my tenshins out. every time you see me jump in and go stand jab, im trying, except for the time i jumped in and hit stand jab 2x and cr jab 2x. i was suprised that the jump in hit that time. theres also some poorly spaced jump in rh where i didnt think i was going to get over his head, and i was going for tenshin anyway. we played a bunch, where i won the first 3, we traded a bunch, and he won the last 4. my camera man didnt get the rest tho
  • nosonenosone Joined: Posts: 1,319
    leet double post

    couple casual vids of me vs antwan ortiz. dude got third at the gamestop nationals, and second at evo midwest, where he lost to mike ross, and marn, respectively. he switched his main to gouken cuz "theres too many balrogs", aparently





    was trying really hard toget my tenshins out. every time you see me jump in and go stand jab, im trying, except for the time i jumped in and hit stand jab 2x and cr jab 2x. i was suprised that the jump in hit that time. theres also some poorly spaced jump in rh where i didnt think i was going to get over his head, and i was going for tenshin anyway. we played a bunch, where i won the first 3, we traded a bunch, and he won the last 4. my camera man didnt get the rest tho

    I think you can punish a blocked Demon Flip Kick with a Flame Kick. I do it consistently; not sure if that's due to the opponent always trying to follow up with an attack after, or if there is actually a 5+ frame punishment window. I think the latter might be true though, so you might want to try that.

    Your EX CWs in the first vid came from waaay too far to be effective, especially since they weren't used to counter fireballs (you used them to get in close, though the tendency was to whiff the first two hits and get Focus'd on the third hit). At that range, you might as well walk/jump/dash forward a little first. Gouken's fireballs come out fast, but with the proper spacing, you should still be able to squeeze an EX CW in when he launches one.

    I liked the mix-ups though. You don't use too much MK CW--which is a good thing--though you use it when you can. Try launching it from blocked low strings (cr.LKx2> MK CW). At this range you still get to take advantage of the first CW hit to break Hyper armor, while adding chip damage if the opponent continues to block. On block (or hit), Gouken can't do anything offensively to put pressure on you--backdash/jump away if you'd like, just to be safe.
  • HNIC MikeHNIC Mike Joined: Posts: 10,458
    i try to steer clear of reversal flame kicks in general. i think it gives away too much as to what you are thinking. i'll do it as last ditch, or if i have meter. but as far as the matchup goes, i wanna say he's even on block if it hits deep. you can reversal out if they go for followups, but i would rather just block or try to tech. on the subject tho, if you choose, you can reversal out of all but the deepest crossups too. mk's and mp's dont have much blockstun at all from jump ins. but like i said, it reads that you can be baited easily, so i try not to do it so much.

    you are right about just walking in tho. problem is, ive been playing online more lately, and vs online scrubs, open space=fireball, so those ultra long range ones are me guessing. what i should do is walk into range where i can CW on reaction to a fireball, so you are spot on with that.

    i also jumped in way more than usual, but once i begin to concentrate on something, in this case, command grab setups, its hard for me not to harp on it. i hate learning new stuff or coming up with ideas close to a tourney. tomorrow we got one, and i know i'll be hopping around like a jackass
  • JiBboJiBbo AutoMattock Joined: Posts: 1,386 mod
    I'll be playing offline casuals with a few friends of mine on a live stream within a few hours, around 6-7 pm EST.

    http://www.justin.tv/sakixl

    I'll throw my fei long in the mix somewhere. There'll be some interesting commentary going on as well. Enjoy!
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  • JiBboJiBbo AutoMattock Joined: Posts: 1,386 mod
    Last night was a lot of fun, if you missed anything the streamed videos are still available on Saki's channel. My fei play starts here http://www.justin.tv/clip/ecd24ef3fa0276b0

    Edit: I miss like... every link possible. I tried to stop double tapping for the rekka punches, so I miss a lot of hit confirms even though I tried to input them. My zoning and pressuring was good enough to win matches though.
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  • Nos99Nos99 Science Scrub Joined: Posts: 4,652
    I think you can punish a blocked Demon Flip Kick with a Flame Kick. I do it consistently; not sure if that's due to the opponent always trying to follow up with an attack after, or if there is actually a 5+ frame punishment window. I think the latter might be true though, so you might want to try that..

    I don't think Gouekn's divekick from demon flip has any recovery at all to be honest. The hitstun and blockstung on that thing are huge as well. He was probably just not blocking and was going for throw/s.fierce/etc instead and you hit him during the gap.

    One thing about Gouken (from the vids) is that when he's going for demon flip reset, reversal DP should beat everything he does after the demonflip.. He can try to go behind you instead, but in those vids he was doing short demonflip. Fei Long's DP ain't the greatest, but I know the shotos rape his demon flip resets like that.
  • x_Rock_Lee_xx_Rock_Lee_x The God of Thunder Joined: Posts: 632
    Last night was a lot of fun, if you missed anything the streamed videos are still available on Saki's channel. My fei play starts here http://www.justin.tv/clip/ecd24ef3fa0276b0

    Edit: I miss like... every link possible. I tried to stop double tapping for the rekka punches, so I miss a lot of hit confirms even though I tried to input them. My zoning and pressuring was good enough to win matches though.

    Hey good job on a few comebacks vs Balrog and Able with good Tenshin and smart super combo.
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  • LorteBuddingLorteBudding Joined: Posts: 128
    Last night was a lot of fun, if you missed anything the streamed videos are still available on Saki's channel. My fei play starts here http://www.justin.tv/clip/ecd24ef3fa0276b0

    Edit: I miss like... every link possible. I tried to stop double tapping for the rekka punches, so I miss a lot of hit confirms even though I tried to input them. My zoning and pressuring was good enough to win matches though.

    Nice ones Jibbo. Just one question: you managed to place some nice flamekicks FADC (especially vs cammy), why didnt you followed with ultra? were you working on chicken wing follow ups?

    Standing jab to tenshin, zoning, cr.mk xx super... really nice. I see you didnt use much of chicken wing vs Abel tough.
  • JiBboJiBbo AutoMattock Joined: Posts: 1,386 mod
    Thanks guys, I'll be uploading the vids individually to youtube daily.

    Here's where my "streak" ended

    Lorte: The simple answer is I'm not practiced enough with Fei to have everything on the brain. I was missing a lot of links and I was having some stick trouble for some reason the whole night, which is my I wasn't completing some rekkas. My wrists and fingers went retarded for a night or something. I'm working on it though. :tup:

    Oh and Knuckledust was punishing the CWs, so I laid back on them. Then he threw the shit outta me. Abel. :lol:
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  • Nemesys_SyndromeNemesys_Syndrome What the?! Where?! Joined: Posts: 2,412
    Watched you streak, JibBo. Very pleasing. I definitely liked how you abused your Flame kick FADC > Ultras.

    The Abel Vs Fei matchup. I was burning to see the CW the entire match. (Where is it?!) :rofl:

    I need to learn how to pressure and zone to that effect.
  • nosonenosone Joined: Posts: 1,319
    Oh and Knuckledust was punishing the CWs, so I laid back on them. Then he threw the shit outta me. Abel. :lol:

    Looked like you were using the wrong strength at the wrong range. In the first link you posted, I saw a HK CW up close, two attempts at an EX CW loop (got a 1-hit cross-up, but overall lost to crouching), but no MK CW--even to counter Abel's meaty throws.

    In the second link, you had better spacing with EX CW, but MK still wasn't in play. I dunno if you think it's too risky to use or what--it's actually very limited in liability. With Abel, it also takes out the guess work with spacing since you can use it point-blank. Check the Abel write-ups in the MTUP thread.

    In some fights, I think Flame Kick> FADC would have been nice to stop the opponent's offensive flow, especially ouf of jump-ins. Particularly in the Abel fight, Flame Kick> FADC could have gotten you out of corner traps and back on your feet. I guess it's a personal question as to whether it's worth it or not. I just saw a bunch of opportunities where you could have tried it, but decided to play a guessing game with Abel's mix-ups instead. Preference entirely; you seem to make good use of it on the offensive end, so that could even things out.

    Good work overall though, very sharp reactions to the opponent; I was surprised to see so many clutch moves (Ultra vs. Balrog's dash punch, EX Flame Kick against most jump-ins, etc.). With a little more comfort and experience with his tools/game, you'll really rock hard with Fei. :nunchuck:
  • bubblanbubblan Joined: Posts: 253
    The simple truth about Abel vs mk cw

    From a distance st.mp/super/ultra > mk cw
    Up close pretty much everything except for throws and backdash > mk cw
  • Hotdawg_SKAHotdawg_SKA Joined: Posts: 451 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    The simple truth about Abel vs mk cw

    From a distance st.mp/super/ultra > mk cw
    Up close pretty much everything except for throws and backdash > mk cw

    MK CW is a tool used to get close to Abel. It's got decent speed and range. Once you get in, you can mix it up with LK CW or HK CW or Flame kick or BnB or simply dash back rekka rinse and repeat. LK CW is actually pretty good here too b/c it's a lot faster upclose. At -4, Abel doesn't have anything in his arsenal to punish you. Also, it's not simply spamming MK CW over and over and over and over with no rhyme or reason like you're making it out to be....you gotta learn how to adjust. The only thing I've noticed that interrupts MK CW upclose is spamming st. Jabs or cr. Jabs but that's not very threatening. CW abuse against Abel isn't really a free win against Abel...but it does make the matchup a lot easier. Not only are you getting up in his face and forcing him to think whether to tornado throw or to roll away, you're doing block damage as well and all while being relatively safe. Just learn to mix it up and adjust to your opponent.
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  • bubblanbubblan Joined: Posts: 253
    1. Why would you want to be close to Abel with frame disadvantage?
    2. You may not know this but offline it's very easy to punish a ranged CW on reaction
  • Hotdawg_SKAHotdawg_SKA Joined: Posts: 451 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Um, because his normals are slow? He doesn't have a 3 frame basic and as long as you're decent with your tech throws, you shouldn't have to worry about much of what Abel is gonna do. Heck you can mash LK CW or MK CW during his pressure block strings and chances are, you'll go right through and stop his offense then and there. You can backdash, jump neutral, CW or flamekick to avoid almost every single thing he does after a blocked CW. Also, -2 doesn't give him much frame advantage over you....not to mention, Abel's weakness is putting pressure on him so how else are you gonna fight him? Aside from EX tornado throw, he doesn't have the tools to get you off of him but that's really easy to counter. More than likely, he either has to read all of your offensive options perfectly and counter or sit there and take the assault and try to roll away. Once you get him to get scared of your offense, that's when throws and tenshin come into play.

    2) That's why you DON'T do a ranged CW on him. CW range is not far...it's about jab rekka range or closer. You want to do it so that the first hit of the CW actually connects on him....meaning if he tries to focus, you'll break it. Mix this up with rekkas and I assure you, he won't be spamming st. MP randomly. I'm not sure how good your footsie game is but honestly, this match is Fei's easiest matchup by far.
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  • nosonenosone Joined: Posts: 1,319
    Hot tip: cancel a CW off of HP whenever you're in range. Takes 4 frames to execute and you completely paralyze Abel for the chip. This takes out the "CW takes too long" factor for up-close usage. Out of a jump-in, this is Tornado Throw-safe and your HP will still beat any of Abel's normals if you choose to delay a bit. Safe options from there include back dash and jumps (retreating jump esp).

    On hit, cancel another off of HP or use LP/MK for a looser cancel (to bait a Throw).


    Hot tip #2: Close MK> MK CW equals canceled cross-up with a 3-frame gap!!!! This means that if the Abel looking to get a jab in, he'll need to do it perfectly (no spamming), making it just about impossible. If Abel is crouching, this crosses him up when executed from point blank range (j.MP jump-in> MK> MK CW).

    I'll double post this in the Abel thread for kicks.
  • Hotdawg_SKAHotdawg_SKA Joined: Posts: 451 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Yeah I usually try st. LP or st. HP > CW after a blocked CW to keep the pressure going.
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  • BallaticianBallatician the Thug Joined: Posts: 253
    Here is my first video, I would have recorded more but it slows my game down too much on the pc. So for now all Ive got is my most recent championship upload. Let me know what you guys think.

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