Comparison of HDR Versions (PS3, 360, DC, CPS2)

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  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,436
    A new setup guys, here is my CRT tv w/ built in recorder!
    rcaido>djfrijoles setup

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  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
    A new setup guys, here is my CRT tv w/ built in recorder!
    rcaido>djfrijoles setup

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    aww you dun fuked up challenging meeeee. Ill be back tonight.
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    <djfrijoles> kyouya is with his gf gary
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  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
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    lol Im gonna get banned one day and everyone is gonna point and laugh like if I had a little dick lol.
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    <djfrijoles> kyouya is with his gf gary
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  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,436
    Well played sir

    God damn, ill be back...Imma steal a setup...
  • CigarBoBCigarBoB Joined: Posts: 895
    beans posting

    Ummm You sure have a nice house there. How did you get so many cardboard boxes to make it?
  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
    Ummm You sure have a nice house there. How did you get so many cardboard boxes to make it?

    Only box I call home is your assholes hit box when I rape you in ST lol. Big ol sisy la la lol. waaahhhhh frijoles your picking on me wahhhh frijoles stop hitting me waahhhhhh FRIJOLES YOU'RE T O B I G Y O U ' R E R I P P I N G M E AAAAUUUUUWWW !!!!

    lol I heard you talk in your sleep cigarfrog. talkin bout.........let go of my ears I KNOW WHAT IM DOING DAMIT lol.
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  • Elton ChongElton Chong AKA Herbert Wong Joined: Posts: 346
    Ummm You sure have a nice house there. How did you get so many cardboard boxes to make it?

    Hey Robert. U sold ur sf2 cab to make ends meet, now piss off shithead.

    What is even more sad than a 400lb cigar eating streetfighter playing virgin? A 400lb cigar eating virgin that has retired and still posts on srk.

    Newsflash. Noone cares that u quit, u achieved 2 thirds of nothing in your whole sf2 career, u gave ur youth to this game and still ur were just an also ran. U could never be a Wong or a Valle. Hell u couldn't even be a sirlin.
    .
  • CigarBoBCigarBoB Joined: Posts: 895
    Only box I call home is your assholes hit box when I rape you in ST lol. Big ol sisy la la lol. waaahhhhh frijoles your picking on me wahhhh frijoles stop hitting me waahhhhhh FRIJOLES YOU'RE T O B I G Y O U ' R E R I P P I N G M E AAAAUUUUUWWW !!!!

    lol I heard you talk in your sleep cigarfrog. talkin bout.........let go of my ears I KNOW WHAT IM DOING DAMIT lol.

    Dude you going to make it to Evo this year?
  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
    Dude you going to make it to Evo this year?

    so you can call immigration on me.....................no. lol. If I do decide to sneak over one day Im staying at your house and eating all your food.
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  • CigarBoBCigarBoB Joined: Posts: 895
    so you can call immigration on me.....................no. lol. If I do decide to sneak over one day Im staying at your house and eating all your food.

    Umm yea come straight to my house. You will be safe here I promise.
  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,436
    Ok i got the prettiest setup now! i jacked it from some girlscout chick, ill be looking her up when she's at least 15 years old but for now, ill let her be...

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    Got a built in Ariel volume
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  • PaskyPasky Ninja with pistol! Joined: Posts: 1,863
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    Ariel is top tier son.
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  • CigarBoBCigarBoB Joined: Posts: 895
    Ok i got the prettiest setup now! i jacked it from some girlscout chick, ill be looking her up when she's at least 15 years old but for now, ill let her be...

    Finally a fitting display for HDR. Well done sir
  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,436
    Finally a fitting display for HDR. Well done sir

    Shut the fuck up you ginger red headed fat bastard, Rocky Rose will whop your ass in those cornfield again boy! If i were you i would stay retired you fat piece of shit!

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  • CigarBoBCigarBoB Joined: Posts: 895
    Shut the fuck up you ginger red headed fat bastard, Rocky Rose will whop your ass in those cornfield again boy! If i were you i would stay retired you fat piece of shit!

    Hey your the one that put HDR in its place finally. Dont blame me for pointing it out. Maybe next time you should use a My Little Pony or Rainbow Bright TV. Oh yea Rainbow Bright would be awesome. Cuz then it can have the *** tag of a rainbow on it as well.

    You are my hero.
  • TheloThelo Holdin' down-back Joined: Posts: 1,144 mod
    I should be moderating posts left and right here, but damnit, I'm too busy laughing my ass off at these setups. :looney:
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  • Elton ChongElton Chong AKA Herbert Wong Joined: Posts: 346
    Dude you going to make it to Evo this year?


    They don't have a stage for world of Warcraft I'm afraid Robert. No evo for you.

    Also U don't play Sf so why post?
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  • Elton ChongElton Chong AKA Herbert Wong Joined: Posts: 346
    I gave my mom my big widescreen HDTV and got a small CRT in return. Because it was lag free.

    And indeed, those tests you did provide no answers about HDR itself.

    I just bought a £2500 CRT tv. Loads of people use CRT
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  • Sweet PoisonSweet Poison Knowledge is power. Joined: Posts: 981
    What about plasma tv's? I use plasma and I dont notice any lag compared to a LCD tv.
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  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,436
    LCD/Plasma - It depends on the tv, my plasma Samsung 50" 3dtv has slight lag...32"LG on my Viewlix cab i dont notice any when using VGA...

    Princess Ariel CRT = no lag
  • Sweet PoisonSweet Poison Knowledge is power. Joined: Posts: 981
    But isnt the refresh rate typically much, much higher if not always on a plasma instead of a lcd? I purposely purchased my panasonic (say that 3 times) because lcd's seem laggy at times when it comes to gaming.
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  • JigglyNorrisJigglyNorris The Low Tier Hero Joined: Posts: 1,279
    Frijoles won the thread by wiring his shit to that phone. That's on the same lines as that one dude who made a cardboard cabinet.
  • GrogGrog discombobulatingly Joined: Posts: 3,617
    Frijoles won the thread by wiring his shit to that phone. That's on the same lines as that one dude who made a cardboard cabinet.

    I remember a couple years back I saw a thread for the most ghetto sticks and one was made out of a plastic tupperware container, one out of a shoe, and some other ones too. Shit was too funny :rofl:
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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,194
    But isnt the refresh rate typically much, much higher if not always on a plasma instead of a lcd? I purposely purchased my panasonic (say that 3 times) because lcd's seem laggy at times when it comes to gaming.

    They always say 600hz refresh for plasmas but all that is is marketing jargon. It doesn't matter weather the HDTV is 60/120/240/600hz, just turn that retarded fast motion shit off (every manufacturer calls it something different). LCDs that seem laggy usually also have a "Game" mode that turns off the fancy post processing.
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  • moocusmoocus internets? Joined: Posts: 869
    whoa, when did this thread turn awesome?

    ariel assist is broke as fuck.
  • -TheBastard--TheBastard- FAB u LOSE! Joined: Posts: 1,276
    cps2 s-video encoder->CRT 4.5 frames *

    cps2 vga encoder->LCD 7-frames *

    xbox classic mode->LCD 6-7 frames *

    xbox classic mode->CRT 6-7 frames *

    PS3 classic mode->LCD 8 frames

    ps2 ae->CRT 6 frames *

    ggpo
    w7 aero 8-11 frames (and a lot of dropped inputs) *
    w7 fullscreen 7-9 frames *
    w7 disable aero 7-8-frames *
    xp 6 frames *

    supercade
    w7 aero 8-10 frames (and a lot of dropped inputs) *
    w7 fullscreen 7 frames *
    w7 disable aero 7 frames *
    xp 6 frames *


    xp offline fba version 029708 6 frames *

    xp offline mame version 0141b 6 frames *

    xbox SSF4 ryu cr. rh 6 frames *

    PS3 SSF4 ryu cr. rh 7-8 frames (most of them at 8 frames) *

    fba with sound disabled gets u -1 frame, u can get as low as 5 frames which is almost arcade perfect(cps2 s-video encoder->CRT 4.5 frames *)
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  • -TheBastard--TheBastard- FAB u LOSE! Joined: Posts: 1,276
    according this post, sound disabled makes 2 frames less of lag.
    I can save you the trouble, I have completed various tests of my own, using several different emulators and games. Both real-time tests and frame advancement tests.

    This has been posted in other threads, but I guess I should repeat it here since the topic resurfaced:

    Final Burn Alpha, Mame, Mame++, and Kawaks have additional input delay for CPS2 games with audio enabled. The added input delay is a 2-frame lag.

    Final Burn (the original version), and Nebula do not have this additional input delay.

    This ONLY applies to CPS2, it does not apply to SNK games. And this only applies with audio on. If audio is disabled then there will be no added emulation-based input lag. The amount of added input delay from FBA/Mame/Kawaks for CPS2 audio is 2 frames.

    With Final Burn and Nebula frame advancement tests, it shows that if you input a command the action will begin on the next frame, so it occurs on the 2nd frame. With FBA/Mame/Kawaks frame advancement tests it show that you can input an action and it will not occur for another three frames, so it occurs on the 4th frame.

    With my real-time tests I was able to put PC games like MeltyBlood, GuiltyGear, and two of the emulators on the screen at the same time, and control multiple games at the same time. With this setup, I was able to show that actions were normally occurring on the same frame, but FBA/Mame/Kawaks lagged behind by generally 2 frames (though sometimes only 1).

    Final note: If you enter the game's input test mode located in the dip switches, you can clearly see exactly what frame the input is being read by the emulator. With Final Burn, when you push a button, the input-test mode displays that input as being read on the same frame (1st frame). But actions do not occur until the next frame in-game (2nd frame). So this test shows that it's not the controller or the emulator that is lagging, it shows that the game recognizes the input instantly (same frame) but the action does not occur until the next frame. With FBA/Mame/Kawaks however, there is still the added input delay.

    It appears to be directly related to sound, and only CPS2, so I imagine it's caused by poor Q-Sound emulation.
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  • Zero1_Zero1_ Combo fraud Joined: Posts: 642
    That's Ok, I'll just loop Guile's theme on youtube
  • JED07JED07 Sleeping on the floor with the Rats Joined: Posts: 650
    according this post, sound disabled makes 2 frames less of lag.

    Maybe so, but getting most people to agree to playing on PC will be like getting them to agree to hold still for a branding. Mostly frame skipping issues, hardware standardization etc.

    That aside, I always assumed the biggest reason that HDR classic was not acceptable was that it wasn't in fact arcade perfect aside from the frame delay.

    After reading this thread I'm not so sure.

    Is it or is it not arcade perfect? Has anybody played it extensively and noticed anything different from ST aside from the frame delay and shitty udon sprites?
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  • UnessentialUnessential Joined: Posts: 1,171
    Is it or is it not arcade perfect? Has anybody played it extensively and noticed anything different from ST aside from the frame delay and shitty udon sprites?

    nope as far as i know, other than the fact that it's slower compared to the DC version, (which you left out), the frame delay, and the shitty udon sprites. (although I admit, I havn't played on HDR classic mode much, since HDR doesn't change the game enough for me to complain stop playing it. )
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  • JED07JED07 Sleeping on the floor with the Rats Joined: Posts: 650
    Wow, and here I thought all this time that there was some game changing difference that made HDR classic mode totally unsuitable.

    Sure there's the speed diff and the input delay, but when your playing ST vanilla and you have the stage speed differences who the fuck cares?

    Mind you I wouldn't advocate running anything with ST arcade and HDR classic side by side. That just wouldn't work.
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  • Coth_XCoth_X G(x) = (3/(1-3x)) - 3 - 3x - 27x^2 Joined: Posts: 4,340
    Wow, and here I thought all this time that there was some game changing difference that made HDR classic mode totally unsuitable.

    Sure there's the speed diff and the input delay, but when your playing ST vanilla and you have the stage speed differences who the fuck cares?

    Mind you I wouldn't advocate running anything with ST arcade and HDR classic side by side. That just wouldn't work.


    I believe its like 2 to 3 frames of extra input delay though. Its pretty jarring if you play emu/arcade ST for awhile and then play hdr classc..

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  • milesokeefemilesokeefe Spammy Joined: Posts: 387
    I believe its like 2 to 3 frames of extra input delay though. Its pretty jarring if you play emu/arcade ST for awhile and then play hdr classc..

    -trolls suck-

    Arcade? Yes.

    Emu? I'm not so sure. Looking over this info:

    ggpo
    w7 aero 8-11 frames (and a lot of dropped inputs) * (ED - this is what I was playing GGPO on when I tried to get into it. No wonder I was unhappy)
    w7 fullscreen 7-9 frames *
    w7 disable aero 7-8-frames *
    xp 6 frames *

    supercade
    w7 aero 8-10 frames (and a lot of dropped inputs) *
    w7 fullscreen 7 frames *
    w7 disable aero 7 frames *
    xp 6 frames *

    ... it would seem that HDR Classic mode on 360 either has exactly as much add. input delay as GGPO/Supercade on XP, or has +1 frame add delay compared to either.

    But then, HDR Classic mode runs at 102% the speed of ST tournament standard - IIRC, turbo 2/3 depending on the region.

    Compare this to GGPO's turbo - what, zero? I believe the difference in speed here compared to tournament standard is greater than 2%.

    IDK what speed Supercade runs ST at.
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,194
    Supercade runs at Turbo 2 like it should be. Someone thought it would be brilliant to use Turbo 1 for GGPO's default setting making it run like molasses.
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  • Coth_XCoth_X G(x) = (3/(1-3x)) - 3 - 3x - 27x^2 Joined: Posts: 4,340
    When I went from ggpo to some classic hdr, I couldn't do basic jump in combos.
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  • milesokeefemilesokeefe Spammy Joined: Posts: 387
    Were you playing the 360 or ps3 version?
  • Coth_XCoth_X G(x) = (3/(1-3x)) - 3 - 3x - 27x^2 Joined: Posts: 4,340
    Ps3
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  • milesokeefemilesokeefe Spammy Joined: Posts: 387
    The PS3 has more input delay than the 360 port does. Same thing happened with SF4 Vanilla, but they fixed it for Super.

    The difference in delay felt huge to me, like 3-4 frames more than the 360 port, but according to that chart it only has 1-2 frames more delay than 360 HDR.
  • Reno KReno K You're dizzy Joined: Posts: 151

    And here I thought it was my crappy USB converter. That would explain a bunch of dropped combos
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  • Coth_XCoth_X G(x) = (3/(1-3x)) - 3 - 3x - 27x^2 Joined: Posts: 4,340
    And here I thought it was my crappy USB converter. That would explain a bunch of dropped combos

    Really need to disable aero.
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