HD Remix All-Star Team!

NipulNipul Joined: Posts: 137
Nipul?s HD Remix All-Star Team

I like to write up little lists like these to get some kind of back and forth discussion on the skill of some players on Live. I think I've played this game long enough to form an intelligent list.

Sometimes, people get upset about who I?ve picked, but this is according to my own opinion of players -- it can be completely different from yours, and if it is, I encourage you to submit your own changes in a reply.

Each player on this list has shown that they are simply the best all-around player for their character, although I have to confess that some of these selections were really hard to make. Hondas and Guiles were particularly difficult, since so many people use them extremely well.

But, to me, this is the HD Remix All-Star Team, as well as Top 5 players period (Second place not listed since I don?t want to hurt anyone?s feelings, but you know who you are):

Akuma - Uber Cyber Ryu
Blanka - Bluetallcans
Balrog - Afrolegends
Ken - Damdai
Zangief - Haru Tejyo
Dhalsim - Cvital
Vega - Baconology
Ryu - DGV
Fei Long - The Aqua Snake
Dee Jay - Afrolegends
Honda - EA Megaman
Guile - Fifthandsomebud
Cammy - Antagonist
Bison - Zaspacer

Sagat - N/A
Chun Li - N/A
T. Hawk - N/A

Top 5:
5. Bluetallcans
4. Damdai
3. Haru Tejyo
2. DGV
1. Afrolegends
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  • RaakamRaakam Ryu apprentice Joined: Posts: 273
    Nipuls HD Remix All-Star Team

    I like to write up little lists like these to get some kind of back and forth discussion on the skill of some players on Live. I think I've played this game long enough to form an intelligent list.

    Sometimes, people get upset about who Ive picked, but this is according to my own opinion of players -- it can be completely different from yours, and if it is, I encourage you to submit your own changes in a reply.

    Each player on this list has shown that they are simply the best all-around player for their character, although I have to confess that some of these selections were really hard to make. Hondas and Guiles were particularly difficult, since so many people use them extremely well.

    But, to me, this is the HD Remix All-Star Team, as well as Top 5 players period (Second place not listed since I dont want to hurt anyones feelings, but you know who you are):

    Blanka - Bluetallcans
    Balrog - Afrolegends
    Ken - Damdai
    Zangief - Haru Tejyo
    Dhalsim - Eggo
    Vega - Ganelon
    Ryu - DGV
    Fei Long - Jumpsuit
    Dee Jay - Afrolegends
    Honda - Thelo I don't think EA plays HDremix a whole lot anymore
    Guile - Marsgatti but not by much, it is a tough call
    Cammy - Antagonist
    Bison - Zaspacer

    Sagat - N/A
    Chun Li - N/A
    T. Hawk - on GGPO, Raginstorm, on XBL... maybe Kuroppi?

    Updated with some changes. Mostly alternates to the ones you posted, same level of skill. Though I do think Ganelon and Damdai are outright better than the people you picked.
  • NipulNipul Joined: Posts: 137
    Good changes, man.

    Yeah, completely forgot about Damdai -- would change my choice there.

    I considered Mars, Eggo and Thelo, but tough, tough calls. I'd still go with my first choices on those.

    I've never faced the Vega player personally. I've played Jumpsuit, but The Aqua Snake was more impressive in my opinion.
  • agcalonicoagcalonico Still Churnin' Butter Joined: Posts: 467
    thelo and megaman or both beasts, megaman is more exciting though.
    "Says the honda player because watching a half naked fat guy with face paint who isn't even supporting a hockey team spam a move that lets us simultaneously notice how uneven his butt cheeks are and what color his thong is is sooo much more appealing"
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  • JigglyNorrisJigglyNorris The Low Tier Hero Joined: Posts: 1,279
    My list...

    Ryu: DGV
    Ken: Wes Truelson/damdai
    Blanka: BlueTallCans
    Guile: mute chimu kumi (muteki)
    E.Honda: Thelo/EA Megaman
    Zangief: haru tejyo
    Dhalsim: Cvital
    Boxer: afrolegends
    Sagat: Pezman
    Claw: Ganelon
    Dictator: zaspacer
    Fei Long: Jumpsuit
    DeeJay: afrolegends
    Cammy: Mr.Jangara
    T.Hawk: JigglyNorris/gridman

    Why is Baconology in the top 5? Ganelon is waaaaaaaaay better.
  • NipulNipul Joined: Posts: 137
    Never played Ganelon -- does he play HD Remix?

    Only reason a Vega player made it to top 5 is cause I'm a Chun user.

    Top 5 (having forgotten about Damdai):
    Bluetallcans
    Damdai
    Haru
    DGV
    Afrolegends
  • MisterEgoTripMisterEgoTrip Bask in Sumo Prowess Joined: Posts: 943
    Nice thread...Nipul. PSN HDR has one of these too, for awhile, however a lot of the guys mentioned here are EVO vets.

    Ganleon is Blacmore if you go by his Xbox Gamertag, definitely an O.G. Claw player. As far as the list of the XBL HDR Best, then JigglyNorris assessment seems to be the most spot on thus far since I've played almost everyone that has been mentioned here. We're still talking a matter of opinion.

    CaliPower also has a tough Ryu, although he's not on HDR as much anymore thanks to the other fighting games out there.
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  • XurkeyXurkey Sono mama shine! Joined: Posts: 90
    I'm loving the list idea, it's basically an easy way to see who to challenge and get better from for a lot of people, while acknowledging the beasts on Live! I've played a lot pf people on the list fortunately, including Thelo who I played for the first time last night and damn, what an animal. It really showed I have a lot to learn about electricity, spacing my jumps, and well...just about everything. I'll admit it! Thanks Thelo! :)

    However, I have yet to play Haru Tejyo! I really really want to, as I've heard he has an absolute beast of a Geif. I've tried private messaging him about setting up a match but has never responded (and I know he knows English as seen through his profile) Haru, if you are reading this, please challenge me! I want to learn from the best Gief on Live!

    Good idea Nipul, maybe this will give a lot of people the incentive to step up there game and shake this list up a bit. I know I'm on the hunt!
    Good games to everyone except for the scrubby rage quitters. Shame on you!

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  • NorieagaNorieaga FADC x ROFLCOPTER Joined: Posts: 4,220
    Akuma - doesn't matter
    Blanka - Bluetallcans
    Balrog - Afrolegends
    Ken - damdai/WesTCyde
    Zangief - Haru Tejyo
    Dhalsim - Eggo
    Vega - Sharizord
    Ryu - DGV
    Fei Long - The Aqua Snake (never played Jumpsuit to compare)
    Dee Jay - Afrolegends
    Honda - Thelo
    Guile - Marsgatti
    Cammy - Norieaga ;)
    Bison - DE Mavrick
    Sagat - N/A
    Chun Li - N/A (there are many good Chun's but none that hit me as the best)
    T. Hawk - Kurropi (only played Jiggly's Bison, cannot compare)

    Many of these spots face some really tough competition, so I wouldn't be surprised if lists changed somewhat often. The only secure spot is mine, I'm the greatest Cammy ;) (Heck with it, give it to Mr. Jangara).

    EDIT: I just realized that I've had the pleasure and honour of facing almost all these players. First time in my life I've faced the top players in an online game...ever.

    SUGGESTION: Let's do a top 5 per character instead. That may give players a better idea of what the general consensus is, and will also ensure some elite players are not left out.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Joined: Posts: 0
    Good list so far, for hawk I would recommend putting a player called travelling something and a guy called mesa...I think that's his name anyways lol. Everyone else seems spot on, for fei just use jumpsuit as he is the best fei followed by aqua and then possibly me.
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  • MackdaddiMackdaddi The Great Dictator Joined: Posts: 754
    My list...

    Ryu: DGV
    Ken: Wes Truelson/damdai
    Blanka: BlueTallCans
    Guile: mute chimu kumi (muteki)
    E.Honda: Thelo/EA Megaman
    Zangief: haru tejyo
    Dhalsim: Cvital
    Boxer: afrolegends
    Sagat: Pezman
    Claw: Ganelon
    Dictator: zaspacer
    Fei Long: Jumpsuit
    DeeJay: afrolegends
    Cammy: Mr.Jangara
    T.Hawk: JigglyNorris/gridman

    Jiggly's list is probably the closest to correct as far as i've played/seen on youtube. Sweet Johnny V's chun is tasty, although i havent seen him on XBL in a while, also wolfman's blanka is excellent, if maybe not as good as BTC looks to be in vids. Baconology and shari's claws both pwn me (damn wall dive) and de mavrick and jiggly's bisons take some beating. Best Hawk is unquestionably Jiggly or Gridman, AFAIK there should be no argument on that one, they're both stellar, with maybe jiggly a nose in front. Sick thing is he doesn't even use a custom stick, he's on an xbox 360 standard pad. Grrrr....
    Nice thread...Nipul. PSN HDR has one of these too

    There's also a "great players you've come across" thread that was started as a gamertag database a while back.

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=189611&page=20
    CaliPower also has a tough Ryu, although he's not on HDR as much anymore thanks to the other fighting games out there.

    Isn't that Alex Valle's gamertag? I would pretty much bet that he would man a tough ryu.

    Good list so far, for hawk I would recommend putting a player called travelling something...

    Travellin Penguin. Yep, very tough hawk. Don't think he would top jiggly, but he'd be up there, i've played him a few times and he's excellent.
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  • Pez_ManPez_Man AND1 Joined: Posts: 31
    lmao

    lmao...take my name out of the "best sagat" catagory.
    my ryu, balrog, and dee jay are better than my sagat and all the previous characters i listed i suck with.
    Kurt
    xbox gametag pez man 81
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Joined: Posts: 0
    Jiggly's list is probably the closest to correct as far as i've played/seen on youtube. Sweet Johnny V's chun is tasty, although i havent seen him on XBL in a while, also wolfman's blanka is excellent, if maybe not as good as BTC looks to be in vids. Baconology and shari's claws both pwn me (damn wall dive) and de mavrick and jiggly's bisons take some beating. Best Hawk is unquestionably Jiggly or Gridman, AFAIK there should be no argument on that one, they're both stellar, with maybe jiggly a nose in front. Sick thing is he doesn't even use a custom stick, he's on an xbox 360 standard pad. Grrrr....



    There's also a "great players you've come across" thread that was started as a gamertag database a while back.

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=189611&page=20



    Isn't that Alex Valle's gamertag? I would pretty much bet that he would man a tough ryu.




    Travellin Penguin. Yep, very tough hawk. Don't think he would top jiggly, but he'd be up there, i've played him a few times and he's excellent.

    I heard penguin beats jiggly in mirror matches, I also think mesa is better but I havn't really had the time to adjust to his playstyle like I do with jiggly so that observation might be a bit skewed.
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  • JigglyNorrisJigglyNorris The Low Tier Hero Joined: Posts: 1,279
    I heard penguin beats jiggly in mirror matches, I also think mesa is better but I havn't really had the time to adjust to his playstyle like I do with jiggly so that observation might be a bit skewed.
    Who told you that? He wanted to be my friend because I was beating his Hawk with mine.

    And Pez Man, its been quiet a while, but I remember your Sagat being pretty beastly. Hell you were the only person in the room to just walk in and beat afro legends one day.

    Evo, we need to fight again. I've gotten better at Fei now. Aqua was having a monstrous time against me when we fought. :P
  • Pez_ManPez_Man AND1 Joined: Posts: 31
    oh...i bet i know what night that was...afrolegends was fooling around with vega that night..and hd didn't know how to beat a jumping straight up roundhouse from sagat or that sagat's jumping strong beats most of vega's wall dives....if you watch afrolegends with rog, ryu, dee jay...i get creamed...ggpo for me
    Kurt
    xbox gametag pez man 81
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Joined: Posts: 0
    Who told you that? He wanted to be my friend because I was beating his Hawk with mine.

    And Pez Man, its been quiet a while, but I remember your Sagat being pretty beastly. Hell you were the only person in the room to just walk in and beat afro legends one day.

    Evo, we need to fight again. I've gotten better at Fei now. Aqua was having a monstrous time against me when we fought. :P

    He told me that like probably a good 4-5 months ago, man I've been away from this game too long lol. When was the last time we even fought, must have been before the summer I think...geez damn SF4 has been taking to much of my time. I made my re-debute agaisnt thelo a day ago so I think I'm back to my original form, although I do get the urge to FAC from CW's every now and then.
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  • ShunThanosShunThanos Kount Khocula Joined: Posts: 107
    Does Sirlin barely play Fei online now or something? Is he just nowhere near jumpsuit or aqua snake?
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Joined: Posts: 0
    Does Sirlin barely play Fei online now or something? Is he just nowhere near jumpsuit or aqua snake?

    I offered to have a first to 10 set with him awhile ago but he told me he works a 12 hour job so he is never on. The only good fei players that are on frequently are aqua and me lol, jumpsuit comes on from time to time which is unfortunate since he really is the best fei in NA. It's hard to gauge sirlin to be honest since I've never fought him, he has a good record agaisnt high level honda's and he made the top 5 in evo so by rankings alone I suppose he is better then me and aqua. I don't think he's better then jumpsuit though, but he is good enough that he could be considered 2nd in terms fo fei.
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  • evoanonevoanon FP Black Inside Joined: Posts: 431
    Feels good knowing I've played/beaten all of those names on the list at least once... haha XD. Good enough for me!

    ...Except DGV.. damnit.
  • ShunThanosShunThanos Kount Khocula Joined: Posts: 107
    The only good fei players that are on frequently are aqua and me lol, jumpsuit comes on from time to time which is unfortunate since he really is the best fei in NA.

    Yeeowch..., but I get you regarding Sirlin.
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  • Silver Rain 007Silver Rain 007 Professional Economist Joined: Posts: 2,108
    Feels good knowing I've played/beaten all of those names on the list at least once... haha XD. Good enough for me!

    ...Except DGV.. damnit.

    Yep... I think I'm in the same boat as you, except I have never beaten Damdai's Ken either... of course them's the breaks when you play Cammy and you play against Ryu, or Ken, or Honda, or... oh hell that'll just take too long :D.

    For what its worth, Mr. Jangara is the best Cammy on XBL, but since he's from Japan most people probably haven't played him in an environment that's reasonable to tell so who's the choice for North American Cammy players?

    For the record, I've never played or met Antagonist so for all I know he could be as good as sliced bread, I just don't know...
    I wanted to put something witty about Economics and E-Sports here... but all I can say is wow... the people who signed up to take my class on E-Sports... fail.
  • JigglyNorrisJigglyNorris The Low Tier Hero Joined: Posts: 1,279
    Yep... I think I'm in the same boat as you, except I have never beaten Damdai's Ken either... of course them's the breaks when you play Cammy and you play against Ryu, or Ken, or Honda, or... oh hell that'll just take too long :D.

    For what its worth, Mr. Jangara is the best Cammy on XBL, but since he's from Japan most people probably haven't played him in an environment that's reasonable to tell so who's the choice for North American Cammy players?

    For the record, I've never played or met Antagonist so for all I know he could be as good as sliced bread, I just don't know...

    Scale from 1-10 I'd say Antagonist's Cammy is a 7.
  • NorieagaNorieaga FADC x ROFLCOPTER Joined: Posts: 4,220
    If he's a 7 then I'm scared to hear what I am. Do I at least get a 5, 6?

    You can all be honest, I'm really just curious.
  • No ChanceNo Chance Joined: Posts: 90
    eh... ill give u a 6...

    6.5 when you're sitting on the edge of your beanbag chair and maaaaybe a 7 when you get like 2 more years of practice and have encountered every scenario from a physical, emotional and verbal wizard such as myself.
  • puppup Joined: Posts: 118
    My list...Ive playd on HDR

    Ryu: DGV
    Ken: Wes Truelson/ Pacn(Anyone else playd him.extremely good!!!)
    Blanka: BlueTallCans
    Guile: Togo13/Narisusceaser
    E.Honda: EA Megaman
    Zangief: haru tejyo(Best overall)
    Dhalsim: Nlp/fatboy
    Boxer: afrolegends
    Sagat: lightsout
    Claw: Get the names confused Dont kno which is which???
    Dictator: zaspacer/atonalism
    Fei Long: Jumpsuit/Aquasnake(dirty whore...jk)
    DeeJay: afrolegends
    Cammy: Antogonist
    T.Hawk: Snakeyez
    Chun: Nipul/BeefBowl(dont think he plays hdr no more)
  • MackdaddiMackdaddi The Great Dictator Joined: Posts: 754
    I heard penguin beats jiggly in mirror matches
    Who told you that? He wanted to be my friend because I was beating his Hawk with mine

    Jiggly's Hawk is better. I bump into penguin in some of my friends player rooms sometimes, and jiggly's on my friends list, so i get to play them both occasionally.

    Penguin is really good and i enjoy playing against him when we meet. We both win some/lose some and have good, fun, close matches. On the other hand, i really have to keep on my toes to survive with jiggly. I think some of the difference between them might be down to specific matchup awareness but jiggly's definitely got superior execution on things like pulling off advanced stuff in the heat of battle etc. regardless of who he's up against.

    This is only my oppinion based on his win/loss record against me, and maybe it's because his second character is my main (bison) and he knows that match inside out from both sides, but jiggly's timing with hawk is flawless. Any mistake by me means i'm in deep shit. I guess that's how that matchup goes if it's played right, but 8 out of 10 hawks on XBL don't even worry me, and the other one or two might just force me to play carefully but rarely cause me too much trouble if i stick to my game plan.

    Jigglynorris has probably the only T.Hawk that really scares me. With him it's not "if i fuck up i might die", it's "if i fuck up i'm already dead"

    ....Oh and jiggly, you can quote me on that if you want :bgrin:
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  • NipulNipul Joined: Posts: 137
    My list...Ive playd on HDR

    Chun: Nipul/BeefBowl(dont think he plays hdr no more)

    Aw. How sweet. :tup:

    I've played BeefBowl and Voltech and Cvital, and out of those three, I think the better/smarter Chun was Vital -- not to take anything away from Beef or Voltech.
  • The OspreyThe Osprey Bird Brain Joined: Posts: 296
    ...Jigglynorris has probably the only T.Hawk that really scares me. With him it's not "if i fuck up i might die", it's "if i fuck up i'm already dead"...

    In my experience, the difference between good players and GREAT players is this simple fact. The best players will consistently end the round on 1 big mistake. They'll either TOD combo, put you in endless corner pressure, or hit you with a series of mix-ups that force you to guess until you're ko'd.

    Its also my experience that the added pressure of "don't make a mistake" often hampers execution, reaction time, and decision making.

    I've literally frozen up while playing Bluetallcans.
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  • JigglyNorrisJigglyNorris The Low Tier Hero Joined: Posts: 1,279
    Jiggly's Hawk is better. I bump into penguin in some of my friends player rooms sometimes, and jiggly's on my friends list, so i get to play them both occasionally.

    Penguin is really good and i enjoy playing against him when we meet. We both win some/lose some and have good, fun, close matches. On the other hand, i really have to keep on my toes to survive with jiggly. I think some of the difference between them might be down to specific matchup awareness but jiggly's definitely got superior execution on things like pulling off advanced stuff in the heat of battle etc. regardless of who he's up against.

    This is only my oppinion based on his win/loss record against me, and maybe it's because his second character is my main (bison) and he knows that match inside out from both sides, but jiggly's timing with hawk is flawless. Any mistake by me means i'm in deep shit. I guess that's how that matchup goes if it's played right, but 8 out of 10 hawks on XBL don't even worry me, and the other one or two might just force me to play carefully but rarely cause me too much trouble if i stick to my game plan.

    Jigglynorris has probably the only T.Hawk that really scares me. With him it's not "if i fuck up i might die", it's "if i fuck up i'm already dead"

    ....Oh and jiggly, you can quote me on that if you want :bgrin:
    Ah thank you my Irish Friend.

    And yeah, knowing both sides of that fight helps a lot, but I still say its a 6-4 fight in Hawk's favor. My Hawk has been pretty weak lately for some reason (well, maybe not as strong as he usually is) because I've been using so much Ryu/Dictator. I gotta change that.
  • MackdaddiMackdaddi The Great Dictator Joined: Posts: 754
    In my experience, the difference between good players and GREAT players is this simple fact. The best players will consistently end the round on 1 big mistake. They'll either TOD combo, put you in endless corner pressure, or hit you with a series of mix-ups that force you to guess until you're ko'd.

    Yep, definitely. All of those things are really bad for bison too, when he's on the back foot. A defending dictator is usually a lot more of a pushover for all that stuff than an attacking one, and when i get cornered by someone that knows how to capitalize on a mistake and mix up effectively (tick 360 AND psychic rising hawks keeping me in the corner :annoy:), without me having a reversal super, i can literally put so much into trying to get out of a lockdown that by the time i do, my health is all but gone along with my chances of winning the round.

    Word to the wise.If you're using bison, NEVER use your super versus a pro T.Hawk, unless it's GUARANTEED to win you the round. You never know when it might get your ass out of a certain death corner trap. One mistake or knockdown and hawk will be so far up your ass you'll be able to see the feather in his hair when you brush your teeth.

    Build meter early and hold on to it like your life depends on it, because sooner or later it probably will.
    Ah thank you my Irish Friend.

    No problem.

    And yeah, knowing both sides of that fight helps a lot, but I still say its a 6-4 fight in Hawk's favor.

    Yeah we've had that matchup discussion before and i think that sounds about right, but your hawk versus my bison is about 8:2 when you're on form. :sad:

    My personal win/loss on beating hawks is probably 9 to 1 or better, because he just isn't a popular enough character to run into enough good ones online, which is a shame, but that also means it's hard to get enough practice to get good at beating good ones when you do meet them, which is much more annoying...But yeah, if the 2 characters are being played correctly and to the limit of what they can do like the tier list whores say, then it's definitely moved down from 7-3 Hawk (Vanilla ST) to about 6-4 Hawk (HDR). It's one of those matches where 2 characters have had their matchup effected quite a bit due to all the nerfs and buffs that happened in the remix. Hawk's Dive nerf and bison's better DR and stand jab, and even sometimes his fake slide (if the hawk player is slow/dumb) make it a bit easier for Dic, but then you come along and fuck it all up again with your monster tick 720s and the like....
    My Hawk has been pretty weak lately for some reason (well, maybe not as strong as he usually is) because I've been using so much Ryu/Dictator. I gotta change that.

    BTW, your ryu is a great match for me, last time i played you i didn't want to stop playing at all. I can play versus ryu all day long on XBL, it's like painting by numbers, but i love meeting a clever one who doesn't fall for all the the usual dictator BS. Would love another pop at you to see how you're developing him. Hit me up if you see me on HDR.
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  • alex6x6x6alex6x6x6 lighthouses>churches Joined: Posts: 385
    Just throwing out some names I haven't seen mentioned for some characters:

    Blanka - Empirion
    Balrog -
    Ken - buhilaro (aniken)
    Zangief -
    Dhalsim -
    Vega -
    Ryu - uber cyber ryu, afro legends
    Fei Long - ramza, rightupuralley
    Dee Jay - true old school
    Honda -
    Guile - true old school
    Cammy -
    Bison - stiffpeter
    Sagat - stiffpeter
    Chun Li - zass
    T. Hawk -
  • blitzfublitzfu Cosmic Power Joined: Posts: 3,072

    Ken - buhilaro (aniken)

    buhilaro is aniken? How sure are you of this? If so, that's awesome! = )
  • JumpsuitJumpsuit Joined: Posts: 189
    Evo wrote:
    The only good fei players that are on frequently are aqua and me lol, jumpsuit comes on from time to time which is unfortunate.

    Sup Evo.

    I do get on, but it's usually during the evening. And picking an all star team is kinda tough for me because I'd have to pick 2 separate teams. One for online only, and one for offline. There are only a handful of players that play online and do really well offline(like in tournaments for example), whereas most of the online greats are just that...online greats.

    It's sort of a see-saw factor that comes into play. Many great offline players do horribly online, some do ok. Many great online players do horribly offline, or they do ok.

    You wouldn't believe how many people I hear come into a room and giggle "OMG, I beat both DGV and AfroLegends" and think that it really means something. I can't help but chuckle. Yeah, it's great that you won but c'mon. :rofl:

    I think it'll take more tourneys and offline challenges to really balance things out and see a real set of HDR All Star candidates.
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  • Zero1_Zero1_ Combo fraud Joined: Posts: 642
    Hmm, this is a good idea. How about all star teams sorted by region? Due to lag and such, a lot of these players I never get to play against.

    It would be nice to have a regional hit list so we can play against the best of our worst match ups and see how we can improve.

    It's sort of a see-saw factor that comes into play. Many great offline players do horribly online, some do ok. Many great online players do horribly offline, or they do ok.
    I presume it's all down to lag. Even on the very best connection (best I've had is 22ms with AeroRockman), it is still at least one frame adrift, and for the tournament winners, this will obviously be very important. I guess us online generation kind of get used to it and compensate for it in a way, which may even be changing our styles. For example challenging wakeups where you normally wouldn't (since the reversal is not as reliable).

    Then you have things like setups. It could be that they use good old CRT at the tournaments, but say in afro's house, he has a nice big LCD, which unfortunately may have a good 30ms input lag at least due to the technology.

    I'm no pro by any shot, but I get really pissy about lag. I have decent timing and I want a reversal when I damn well input the command.
  • NorieagaNorieaga FADC x ROFLCOPTER Joined: Posts: 4,220
    I suggest a top 5 for each character, it gives more justice to some excellent players who may not get a vote otherwise.
  • JumpsuitJumpsuit Joined: Posts: 189
    I presume it's all down to lag. Even on the very best connection (best I've had is 22ms with AeroRockman), it is still at least one frame adrift, and for the tournament winners, this will obviously be very important. I guess us online generation kind of get used to it and compensate for it in a way, which may even be changing our styles. For example challenging wakeups where you normally wouldn't (since the reversal is not as reliable).

    Then you have things like setups. It could be that they use good old CRT at the tournaments, but say in afro's house, he has a nice big LCD, which unfortunately may have a good 30ms input lag at least due to the technology.

    I'm no pro by any shot, but I get really pissy about lag. I have decent timing and I want a reversal when I damn well input the command.

    And sometimes it's not even lag. Some people just play better at home in their own zone, ya know? I think players that grew up loving both online and off gameplay back in the early 90's(Xband SNES/Genesis)can easily testify that sometimes online play would effect your offline play. Like compensating for lag, risks, etc.

    Sometimes it takes me weeks to undo the damage that online play has done to my game.
    I have a group of friends that I play with regularly in ST and HF and they can definitely tell when I am sucking and when I am on my game.

    Not to take anything away from players who do awesome online. I think some exposure to a wide variety of opponents is better than none at all. But IMO I look at online play as a nice testing ground for weapons to be used on the battlefield.

    I remember reading a long post by Apoc on the subject of tournament play and the factors that effect the players. Even playing head to head vs side by side...I never knew there was such a significance but he explained it pretty well.
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  • CorrosiveCorrosive The Starting Over Joined: Posts: 1,352
    As far as Thelo vs EA goes, I haven't played EA in some time, but Thelo's patience is astounding. The one gap I did see was that sometimes he would try and challenge the reversal ability of his opponent and it seemed like a risky gamble. I haven't played online in a while, so I don't know how the competitive scene there has evolved, but I do like Marsgatti as a top Guile player. His enthusiasm for the character shows.
    It's best that you remain close to the "Ls", Joe.
  • BruceLBBruceLB THE KITTEN PAJAMAS Joined: Posts: 509
    It's sort of a see-saw factor that comes into play. Many great offline players do horribly online, some do ok. Many great online players do horribly offline, or they do ok.

    I don't think that's true at all. Valle, Afro, Wolfe, and a host of other top players absolutely wreck faces online.

    Then you have people who predominately play/refined their skills online like Thelo, EAmegaman, MarsFlash, me, and others, who are just as good offline.

    Great players are great players no matter what the venue.
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  • JumpsuitJumpsuit Joined: Posts: 189
    I don't think that's true at all. Valle, Afro, Wolfe, and a host of other top players absolutely wreck faces online.

    Then you have people who predominately play/refined their skills online like Thelo, EAmegaman, MarsFlash, me, and others, who are just as good offline.

    Great players are great players no matter what the venue.

    I said MANY, not ALL.

    Of course many of the top OG's are gonna do well online just by their experience alone over the rest of the players online. But when you get to those top tier matches online, yeah they're fun and great to watch but imo I wouldn't put much stock in the stats. So many players that I know are damn good offline get wrecked online in a room sometimes and I think to myself "damn, he's a beast in the tourneys" and vice versa.

    Players like Shirts, DreamTheater+, Sirlin, CigarBob and Bob Painter are just a few players that I have played face to face and I can tell you from experience that they are much tougher in person than online...and why is that? Because in high end play the little things come into play and that is where I do not agree with you on the whole "great players are great no matter what the venue." Alot of players including myself end up holding back or going for riskier stuff because of the simple fact that we are playing "online." The "venue" as you put it, changes everything imo.
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    Class of 1989
    Team Nekketsu - Technos Japan
  • Zero1_Zero1_ Combo fraud Joined: Posts: 642
    Alot of players including myself end up holding back or going for riskier stuff because of the simple fact that we are playing "online." The "venue" as you put it, changes everything imo.

    Interesting. Do you realise at the time that you are holding back or playing more risky, or is it in retrospect?
  • JumpsuitJumpsuit Joined: Posts: 189
    Interesting. Do you realise at the time that you are holding back or playing more risky, or is it in retrospect?

    Sometimes. Depends on connection, and how the match "feels." Against good(but not great opponents)I tend to showboat a little more. Against the more seasoned pros it can vary bigtime. But that's not what bothers me. What does are the quirks in the game that have yet to be addressed(funky hitboxes, random specials coming out, etc).
    River City Highschool
    Class of 1989
    Team Nekketsu - Technos Japan
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