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The "Official" SSBM Thread.

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  • The DudeThe Dude Joined: Posts: 72
    Germ is better IMO. He helped to develop many of the current tactics that used with Link. Not trying to downplay Aniki or anything because he's amazing but his style is also very linear and hasn't evolved as much as Germ's. Predictability is a liability in Smash.

    Germ uses wavelanding, WDing for accurate spacing, advanced bomb tactics and his offense is more unpredictable.
    Germ developed many Link-tactics, yes, but they all aren't an absolute necessity to play Link on a high level.

    Aniki also uses wavelanding as you can see in . WDing is also not very useful with Link, you can achieve the same effect by DDing (that's what Aniki does).
    If Aniki had a predictable offense he wouldn't beat people like Ken with Link. ^^
    Germ on the over hand switches to Falco to try to keep up the the top players.
  • AKZuMAKZuM "Frustration Filter" Joined: Posts: 149
    when did the germ switch to falco???
  • The DudeThe Dude Joined: Posts: 72
    when did the germ switch to falco???
    *click me*

    It's not like Falco is GERM's new main char or something but he relies on him in big, serious tournaments.
  • Seany_BoySeany_Boy Forward Joined: Posts: 201
    At one point (like one year ago) Aniki was the best player in Japan with using Link and Samus (mainly Link).
    Also look at OC2, 4 of the 6 Japanese made it into the top 7 and all of them got beaten by Aniki one or two monthes before OC2 (well exept maybe for CJ).
    And yes, I know that this was one year ago but it's the only comparison we can make (since there were 6 Japanese attending).

    You know it's a bad comparison, so why bring it up? usa is on a higher level of play than japan. do you know how much easier it is to beat a fox as link when they don't wave shine you across the stage? or when they decide to approach with almost nothing but full jumps? or when you don't play on stages like ps, bf, or ys?

    give the us link players a chance to play the guys aniki beat, and they'll laugh because they don't crouch cancel a d-smash. they'll play with no sweat because japan plays fox SLOW.

    anyways this argument is pretty pointless seeing as either side can't really prove anything. but for my 2 cents, azen has the best link.
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  • G.O.TG.O.T #1 Haggar fan Joined: Posts: 2,164
    i did horrible tonight playing smash. Me and ny friend played teams, and all kinds of random shit was happenening to me. We lost for 4 hours straight. And i chose every character possible...This game is good. But when stupid shit happens to me I transform into a scrub temporarily, and will say this game is garbage...which it is sometimes due to "I know I shoulda one what the fuck just happened why did I go flying". but its still very good....yeah. i want to believe that.
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  • The DudeThe Dude Joined: Posts: 72
    You know it's a bad comparison, so why bring it up? usa is on a higher level of play than japan. do you know how much easier it is to beat a fox as link when they don't wave shine you across the stage? or when they decide to approach with almost nothing but full jumps? or when you don't play on stages like ps, bf, or ys?

    give the us link players a chance to play the guys aniki beat, and they'll laugh because they don't crouch cancel a d-smash. they'll play with no sweat because japan plays fox SLOW.

    anyways this argument is pretty pointless seeing as either side can't really prove anything. but for my 2 cents, azen has the best link.
    I named you the people that Aniki beat. 3 of them were in the Top7 while GERM got 17th using Falco. ^^

    And yeah I agree, most japanese Foxes are played slow but you have to keep in mind that only ONE of those slow Foxes plays on japanese top level (Masashi). The next best Fox-player Japan has would be thunders who definitely doesn't play a slow Fox.

    Oh and Azen [insert character] > all. :rofl:
  • AQUA-PURAAQUA-PURA @theasianloner Joined: Posts: 1,634
    snip


    That honestly hapened to me too.

    it was fucking gay man, really got angry.
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  • white shadowwhite shadow WHAT'S MY NAME NYUKAH?!!! Joined: Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I named you the people that Aniki beat. 3 of them were in the Top7 while GERM got 17th using Falco. ^^

    And yeah I agree, most japanese Foxes are played slow but you have to keep in mind that only ONE of those slow Foxes plays on japanese top level (Masashi). The next best Fox-player Japan has would be thunders who definitely doesn't play a slow Fox.

    Oh and Azen [insert character] > all. :rofl:

    Is this recent? Because I doubt it because people get better and formerly impossible techniques get standard. I'm sure the reason why Germ uses Falco is because the top tiers he's facing is of a higher caliber than the ones Japan (currently).The PC Chris now is a much better than the PC Chris of yesteryear.

    Japan players are good but everybody knows Japan is definitely not on same level as the US overall.
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  • The DudeThe Dude Joined: Posts: 72
    Is this recent? Because I doubt it because people get better and formerly impossible techniques get standard. I'm sure the reason why Germ uses Falco is because the top tiers he's facing is of a higher caliber than the ones Japan (currently).The PC Chris now is a much better than the PC Chris of yesteryear.

    Japan players are good but everybody knows Japan is definitely not on same level as the US overall.
    Well, that's also what the US-players thought one year ago: They all improved a lot, no way Japan could beat them. But then 6 japanese players came over (who except CJ weren't even considered absolute top) and 4 of them placed in the top7.
    Sure USA did improve since then but don't think that Japan didn't. ^^
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Dude those Aniki vs Ken Matches are over 2 years old, and they were friendlies. Anyone would tell you Ken doesn't try near as hard as he does in friendlies. Theres also a reason why aniki doesn't win anymore and why fox's rape his link, they learned to beat him.

    Skler is an amazing link player on the east coast who does extreamly well in tourneys.

    ANiki just doesn't place well at all anymore I saw recent matches of him not to long ago and he just couldn't take a match off this fox player. Japan just isn't as good as the US.

    Anyway my notion that Skler was the best was partially joking LOL, him and Germ is just two close to call and atm Germ has the best link. (I haven't seen anything recent from trevyn at all.)
  • The DudeThe Dude Joined: Posts: 72
    There's only "recent" vid of Aniki's Link vs Fox. ^^
    In the last tournaments Aniki mainly picked Samus and Sheik but of the few Link-matches he won every single one.

    You cannot determine the whole skill of a top-player just by watching his vids.
    If Azen lived in Japan and you watched a vid of him, I'm sure you wouldn't say he can keep up with the US-players (he isn't technical at all). ;)
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Technical fox's don't exist over there, BS is considered one of their best players and guess what happened to him at oc3? he got 17th. The second he faces one of our top players he gets raped.

    Hell VA/MD would destroy the world alone.
  • EmblemLordEmblemLord Lord of all Lords Joined: Posts: 5,840
    Oh, wow BS got raped.

    No kidding. But that makes sense considering that his dad was DYING OF CANCER AT THE TIME.

    So, yeah I'm pretty sure he had more in his mind then a videogame.

    He only came cuz the U.S wanted him to come and when he did and got 17th the people shitted all over him at OC3. Good shit U.S

    >_>
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    >_> I'm only going off what Chris told me.

    *didn't even care about oc3*

    That doesn't change the fact that when you see top Japan players playing top us players its the us players that win. Unless everyones family in the Us is dying of cancer.

    edit:

    wait didn't manacloud say that? Lol yeah thats real smart, lets listen to manacloud.
  • The DudeThe Dude Joined: Posts: 72
    Technical fox's don't exist over there, BS is considered one of their best players and guess what happened to him at oc3? he got 17th. The second he faces one of our top players he gets raped.

    Hell VA/MD would destroy the world alone.
    No, BS wasn't even considered one of the best Falco-players over there.
    Ken could have brought over top players instead of BS and his brother, but people were insisting on BS.

    Oh and thunders is not considered a technical Fox? :rolleyes:
    That doesn't change the fact that when you see top Japan players playing top us players its the us players that win. Unless everyones family in the Us is dying of cancer.
    CJ did win a majority of his friendlies and everybody knows that CJ sandbags as well as Ken in friendlies. ^^
    edit:

    wait didn't manacloud say that? Lol yeah thats real smart, lets listen to manacloud.
    :rofl:
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    He's more technical then masashi thats for sure, but he isn't some really technical player. >_>
  • The DudeThe Dude Joined: Posts: 72
    Well, he's able to do waveshines (not sure about drillshines) across the stage (there was an excerpt of an old match between thunders and a Link player showing this) and he invented the thunders-combo (for those who are new to smash: Shine->WD->jab->SHFFLed u-air->whatever against characters who fall from the shine).
    Furthermore Ken named him Fox player with the most tech skill 2 years ago (I know he was exaggerating but still...) and I don't think he became a scrub in this area since then. ^^
  • white shadowwhite shadow WHAT'S MY NAME NYUKAH?!!! Joined: Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Furthermore Ken named him Fox player with the most tech skill 2 years ago (I know he was exaggerating but still...) and I don't think he became a scrub in this area since then. ^^

    Ummm... if he was exaggerating then the fact that this was 2 years ago makes it worse.

    Is there any OC3 footage out yet?
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    agrees with white shadow.

    >_> M2k is way more technical.
  • The DudeThe Dude Joined: Posts: 72
    Ummm... if he was exaggerating then the fact that this was 2 years ago makes it worse.
    Even if he was exaggerating thunders was still one of the most technical Foxes. So if everyone improved in terms of tech skill (the Americans maybe more than the Japanese) you can't say that thunders is just more technical than Masashi, but not technical overall.
    Is there any OC3 footage out yet?
    only the DVD.
    >_> M2k is way more technical.
    I didn't say that thunders is THE most technical Fox out there. ^^
  • 2D is Forever2D is Forever Caontonese>Mandarin Joined: Posts: 592
    agrees with white shadow.

    >_> M2k is way more technical.

    Doesn't M2K play more as Marth anyways? All of his new stuff is Marth.
  • G.O.TG.O.T #1 Haggar fan Joined: Posts: 2,164
    He should play Falcon.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Doesn't M2K play more as Marth anyways? All of his new stuff is Marth.

    Doesn't take away from the fact his fox is very technical, theres a reason we call him the robot. >_>

    and he still uses fox for counter picks and teams.
  • Seany_BoySeany_Boy Forward Joined: Posts: 201
    M2k beat pc in fox dittos at SCC. I was surprised. Then again that match is almost as random as Falco dittos so meh.

    I can't wait for Pound 3
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  • white shadowwhite shadow WHAT'S MY NAME NYUKAH?!!! Joined: Posts: 13,932 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    M2k beat pc in fox dittos at SCC. I was surprised. Then again that match is almost as random as Falco dittos so meh.

    I can't wait for Pound 3

    Still to keep up with PC's pace and beat him is still amazing.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    So how many IC mains are there in here?

    I'm an IC main but I'm pretty much a scrub at this game. I really wanna step up.
  • 2D is Forever2D is Forever Caontonese>Mandarin Joined: Posts: 592
    So how many IC mains are there in here?

    I'm an IC main but I'm pretty much a scrub at this game. I really wanna step up.

    I'm just Marth, and a little of CF and Peach. Other then Chu Dat, I can think of anyone that really uses IC.
  • YunaYuna SRK'S Social Justice Warlock Joined: Posts: 7,672
    I'm a Peach player through and through, with the occasional dabbling in Jigglypuff and Samus.
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  • The DudeThe Dude Joined: Posts: 72
    So how many IC mains are there in here?

    I'm an IC main but I'm pretty much a scrub at this game. I really wanna step up.
    Wobbles the Phoenix (the wobbling guy ^^), Domo (japanese IC-player and king of desynch), HoChihMinhTrail (or in short "Trail").

    That's the only good IC-players I can think of.

    EDIT: Oh, I misread your question. I don't think there are many good IC-mains in here.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Wobbles the Phoenix (the wobbling guy ^^), Domo (japanese IC-player and king of desynch), HoChihMinhTrail (or in short "Trail").

    That's the only good IC-players I can think of.

    EDIT: Oh, I misread your question. I don't think there are many good IC-mains in here.

    ChuDat is also a very decent Ice Climber player... You could try looking him up...


    Anyone a Bowser main???
  • G.O.TG.O.T #1 Haggar fan Joined: Posts: 2,164
    I am a Bowser main.
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  • 2D is Forever2D is Forever Caontonese>Mandarin Joined: Posts: 592
    Just wondering, but who is the best character against Falco? I usually play Marth and a little bit of Peach, but I can't get past his laser spam, and up close his SHFFL and pillaring owning me.

    Also, I've been hearing Gannon kind of counters Falco since he can tank a lot, and Eddie got in the finals at EVO world.
  • N_paulN_paul aka Peaches Joined: Posts: 718
    Just wondering, but who is the best character against Falco? I usually play Marth and a little bit of Peach, but I can't get past his laser spam, and up close his SHFFL and pillaring owning me.

    Also, I've been hearing Gannon kind of counters Falco since he can tank a lot, and Eddie got in the finals at EVO world.

    I dunno. I mean. He's Eddie, so it's practically not even like he's playing Ganon.

    Problem with Ganon is that he gets owned by lasers. Yeah, you can do some awesome combos and easy edguarding against Falco. Problem is though, dair is better than your upB and lasers will own you. I'd put it as a really hard battle for Ganon. Peach gets hurt bad by Falco's lasers too.

    To beat a Falco, I'd recommend Marth, Falco, and Fox. Marth can one hit kill Falco in a lot of situations. Falco (and Fox) just doesn't flat out lose to anyone.
  • EmblemLordEmblemLord Lord of all Lords Joined: Posts: 5,840
    Here is a thread for Marth players on how to deal with laser spam and Falco's approach in general.

    http://smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=102497
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  • MartyMarty Useless degenerate Joined: Posts: 503
    Defeating lasers is just about putting the Falco outside of the comfort zone that is: sit and laser.

    I like to wavecrouch at medium distances. It's easier and less risky than faffing around with powershielding, and it generally means the Falco has to adjust the way they laser to hit me. Even if they are comfortable with this, this is a lot slower, and gives you more leeway with simply rolling to make up distance once they begin lasering that way.

    At close distances, I like waveshielding.

    Heck sometimes I just short hop to gain in on him and air dodge to the ground through the lasers. It's risky but you get mad pay off if it works.
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  • Ken34Ken34 a.k.a Mashima Taichi Joined: Posts: 7,232 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Defeating lasers is just about putting the Falco outside of the comfort zone that is: sit and laser.

    I like to wavecrouch at medium distances. It's easier and less risky than faffing around with powershielding, and it generally means the Falco has to adjust the way they laser to hit me. Even if they are comfortable with this, this is a lot slower, and gives you more leeway with simply rolling to make up distance once they begin lasering that way.

    At close distances, I like waveshielding.

    Heck sometimes I just short hop to gain in on him and air dodge to the ground through the lasers. It's risky but you get mad pay off if it works.

    as marth a full jumped double fair also works really well on a falco spamming lasers.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Anyone a Bowser main???
    try gimpyfish, considered the best bowser out there
  • ILLiterateILLiterate DA BESS Joined: Posts: 924
    Bowser is one of my mains, I'm not bad with him but I still need to improve. One of these days me and Zhu (the falco from the bay area) will get those Bowser dittos done

    On the topic of Ganon Vs. Falco, yeah it works. You'll have to be good at power shielding, but Ganon's top notice edge gaurding mixed with his raw power and knock back can really beat on a Falco. Not to mention if you're good enough, you can chaingrab Falco from 0 to death
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    ILLiterate? you know zhu? he's a good friend of mine.

    anyway, i main Fox, i'm from SoCal, burbank to be exact. If anybody want to money match or anything, let me know, i'm always down to play new people and put money on the line.
  • ILLiterateILLiterate DA BESS Joined: Posts: 924
    Mike Haze is a champion, no doubt. I've met Zhu in some local tournaments, good guy, way too fast

    Also, do some men say I'm the best Bowser in NorCal?



    Yes
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