Sleepy Zero, post: 3763288 wrote:
::face palm:: God that tier list is bad.
Bob and Steve are not Top 3. I doubt they are even Top 10.
Here is a more accurate tier list.
A: Law, Bruce, Lili, Baek, Nina, Julia, Bryan, Alisa, King, Steve
B+: A. King, Kazuya, Heihachi, Bob, Jack-6, Paul, Lars
B: Ganryu, Leo, Devil Jin, Lee, Lei, Anna, Dragunov, Feng, Marduk, Roger Jr, Jin
B-: Ling, Wang, Bears, Capos, Miguel, Hwoarang, Yoshimitsu
C+: Raven, Asuka, Zafina
Now granted I still think this tier list needs more time to be developed but it's a hell of a lot more accurate than that piece of junk. I'd like to know how characters that can't launch punish standing -16 are top 3? They are not.
BR Top 5~6
A - Law, Lars, Bruce, Alisa, Lili/Baek
B - Bob, Nina, Steve, King, Julia, Bryan
Rest are below
Jarekov, post: 3763282 wrote:
As of October 06, 2009:
A+ = Steve, Law, Bob
AAA = Bryan, Paul, Julia, Lars, Lili
AA = Bruce, Baek, King (says NIN), Jack, Eddy, Feng, Nina
A- = Roger, A.King, Heihachi, Kaz, D.Jin, Christie, Anna, Miguel, Leo, Lee, Alisa
B+ = Lei, Dragunov, Marduk, Jin, Asuka, Ganryu,
B = Hwo, Ling, Wang
B- = Yoshimitsu. Raven, Bears
C+ = Mokujin. Zafina
Idk i think this list is fucked up, bryan is too beastly not to be in the top, i think Kazuya should be on the same plain as paul and lars because of his punishment and good spacing.
Triplejjj, post: 3763292 wrote:
Why is Paul ranked so highly? Imho Lee, Bruce and Leo are all candidates for a higher ranking. I must be missing something if Paul is only a step behind Law and Bob. Launching with b3 knee is good but what else does Paul have outside of his traditional whiff punish strength with phoenix smasher and wildly unsafe but unseeable demo man 50/50s?
e1j1, post: 3763295 wrote:
Hei is easily the best of the Mishimas and debatable top 10. Alisa is ranked high on some lists because she probably has the best bdc in the game. Why people put King and Paul so high? I have no idea. Chreddy should be no where near top 10 either.
XLCowBoy, post: 3763294 wrote:
Minerva_SC, post: 3763284 wrote:
outside of the top 3, you're gonna have a hard time getting a tier list that everyone can agree upon (japan, korea, u.s., ect). outside the top 3 it gets pretty inconsistent, atleast for the top 10 or so, but I guess thats to be expected from a game with so many characters. I think the only thing everyone can agree on s the bottom, aka zafina, yosh, raven, bears.
Jarekov, post: 3763301 wrote:
this is pretty off. tier lists are regional quite a bit but julia alisa king are not top tier. and lars has a 40 dmg low that u cant block on reaction, coupled with everything he does being mid makes him mean. steve is also a beast, i dont even need to explain that.
k4polo, post: 3763303 wrote:
You lie. Zafina is Top tier. She has so many safe moves and her moves are lightning fast. .
On a serious note, in the SBO vids, there was a huge variety of characters actually. The winning team of SBO of SBO was Lili, Julia and Wang. I saw an Alisa player, a Lars.
The point is that this game is very diverse as oppose to maybe BB: CT for instance where for the most part, top tier dominated.
Jarekov, post: 3763305 wrote:
Blazblue was pretty balanced considering it only has 12 characters and like 4 characters can dominate... you have a 1/3 chance of picking a character that can dominate... thats better then most games
Ain't nothin, Capcom's ruthless still producin. Cut em a check or find yoself toothless. Keep it shill with no confusin. Niggas say I'm shill...they ain't hard I can prove it YEEEAH
DevilJin 01, post: 3763307 wrote:
Yeah sleepy zero forgot that juggles are only the second biggest thing in Tekken now. It's all about who can counter hit the hardest. Lars is a beast on counter hit. So is Steve, Law and BOB!!
Triplejjj, post: 3763302 wrote:
I'll definitely agree with you on the fact that Paul has an above average df2, but so does Leo, and when you compare Paul's strengths to Bruce's crazy cd2 and cd3, plus what is arguably the best wall carry in the game it just doesn't stack up. Well, I'm still happy old man Phoenix is at the very least a solid mid-card contender
e1j1, post: 3763295 wrote:
Chreddy should be no where near top 10 either.
yah yaahh b*tch!, post: 3763312 wrote:
They arent. But they are AA tier (Christie only being lower because Eddy has longer limbs.)
The only thing Chreddy is missing is a quick punisher. Which would make them over the top IMO (imagine if uf+3+4 gave +frames) HSD and RLX mixups are too strong in Tekken 6. They have built in evasive attacks, stances that cant be thrown, that go under mids and highs, good damage off staple launchers, excellent wall carry, nasty combo reset game, juggles off of quick lows and good damage. Not to mention your fate is sealed if they get started in a stance loop mixup in the corner.
Chreddy could use a little more speed and a decent punisher, but they are definetely way better than over half the cast.
But what bugs me is it will be almost what...13 years since Chreddy was introduced to the series? and they still get the most hell. Mostly from people who never spent any time learning about what they can do, which is one of the reasons they are such a threat this time around.
And mind you, ill be controversial and say that the Japanese play a good Chreddy, but they dont stance enough. Even Qdogg plays a pretty stoic Chreddy. Somebody needs to really come out the woodworks with some unheard of shit and wow the crowd.
Jarekov, post: 3763299 wrote:
King has some wicked fucking damage juggles off of very easy shit even without walls. He has a couple usable lows, but throws are whats going to get people ducking. He has a decent punishment game.
Idk king just seems very versatile and when you get into setups and mindgames no character comes close to him in terms of the rewards. If you can turtle well and avoid getting caught in stupid shit and look for holes in someones game with king you can destroy them.
darksoul173, post: 3763310 wrote:
Lars is not top/high tier???
one of the best if not the best punisher in the game (F24 F1+2 etc)
70-80+ dmg from almost everything without walls 100+ with walls
Lars is tier
Sleepy Zero, post: 3763298 wrote:
Steve isn' Top 5 either. His standing punishment is worse than bobs. The max damage he gets all the way to -22 standing is like 112 which is 30 damage. Granted in the higher teens he can land ff+2 but that's not the point. Steve has crap WS launchers too. I mean damn. People it's not that hard to tell when a character has a serious fatal flaw that stops them from being top tier.
I'm not even sure if Steve should break Top 10. His damage is just so good when he finally gets a hit that you can't dismiss it but man does he have tons of problems.
Dilly, post: 3763315 wrote:
Kaz punishes better than lars. There isn't anything punishable that kaz has to let slide. Seriously.
I still don't know where'd I'd personally place Lars as I haven't fought enough of them though.
Dilly, post: 3763319 wrote:
I was replying to the guy who said Lars is one of, if not the best punisher. I said nothing about anything else... I never said kaz is top, or even that kaz is higher than lars. Only that kaz is DEFINITELY hands down the better punishment character. This is something very few would argue with.
13f standing launcher, 13f ws launcher(if this is out of range CC~ewgf comes EXTREMELY quick, faster than most characters ws launchers). DEWGF is probably still the best whiff punisher in the game. Also, SS~ewgf is VERY viable, for the record... I only mention it because it's detrimental to his whiff punishing game.
I'm not going to discuss the rest, as I don't main kaz, but in terms of punishment, which is all I brought up, kaz easily beats out lars.
Nice to know what Lars has though, but you did ignore a few things kaz does, but I'll tell a kazuya player continue that conversation.
Dilly, post: 3763321 wrote:
He's not the beast he once was, but he's not as bad as people act like he is.
lycan_901, post: 3763324 wrote:
Quoted for Truth!!!!
You basically said everything I wanted to say about Chreddy. T6 Chreddy is way better than 5Dr. There mix up game got a whole lot better but your right about the punishment. The only thing I can remotly think of is u/f4 for some type of low crush. More and more people are saying that Chreddy is a force not to be reckoned with this tume around. Look at Impact Clash tourney results. There was a Chreddy in top 5. There were some pretty heavy hitter at that tournament in ATL. If Chreddy was evasive in 5DR, they are hella evasive this time around! Untechable throw setup off of HSP! RLX got a tad faster. Too many things they got better at! I love it!
Sensei Rouzu, post: 3763329 wrote:
I didn't think that many people played with Julia The only real thing these lists mean is that more people play with certain characters. which is why mokujin is at the bottom because hardly know one can really become a master mokujin player. You have to know everyone's movesets and adjust them to mokujin's height.