Tekken 6 Tier List?

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  • yah yaahh b*tch!yah yaahh b*tch! thats my b*tch Joined: Posts: 6,079
    lol @ playing on +1

    The match only goes by as fast as you fuck up. Stop fucking up.
  • jimmy1200jimmy1200 Joined: Posts: 8,872
    ^ you do realize that is the most horrible argument against anything for any fighting game. people are always gonna catch ch, launches, juggles, super combos, corner traps, ect.. in any game. telling someone to stop fucking up, and somehow play perfect, is the stupidest shit you can ever say in reference to fighting games. that is literally an impossible achievement, and something you should never say again if you ever wanna get your opinion taken seriously.
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  • JarekovJarekov Thou Art A Bear Joined: Posts: 1,995
    Have you even played Tekken 6 before? You understand all this nonsense your talking about character flaws only applies in certain situations. Steve is easily the best character in the game right next to Law. This has been common knowledge since the game first came out over a year ago. I didnt bother reading all that junk you wrote trying to justify why everyones list is wrong but yours. I seriously think you need to get out and play more because you obviously havent faught any really good players if you think that Steve, and Bob arent high tier.

    sleepy zero doesnt post in here anymore.
  • yah yaahh b*tch!yah yaahh b*tch! thats my b*tch Joined: Posts: 6,079
    ^ you do realize that is the most horrible argument against anything for any fighting game. people are always gonna catch ch, launches, juggles, super combos, corner traps, ect.. in any game. telling someone to stop fucking up, and somehow play perfect, is the stupidest shit you can ever say in reference to fighting games. that is literally an impossible achievement, and something you should never say again if you ever wanna get your opinion taken seriously.

    I dont have to prove anything to you. I play some of the best players on and offline. I was ranked 13th in NA on the leaderboards in DR with Christie and im currently 140 in the world with Chrisite and rising.

    Do you even post on Zaibatsu? Do you even have anyone in the community to verify that you arent garbage? Anyone. Like Slips or Bent-Lee or Noodlehead or Oofmatic. Because I do. Because if you cant, we dont need to be having a discussion about someone being taken seriously.


    So stop fucking up. Then you wont lose. Then you wont spend the bulk of your time theory fighting on a fucking message board instead of playing the fucking game.
  • jimmy1200jimmy1200 Joined: Posts: 8,872
    yeah, sure you little bitch. i have been posting on zaibatsu since january 2006, and i have regularly played with the best players in maryland. when i was in glen burnie i lived 6 minutes from one during my whole tekken career, so i have more then enough experience with top players, and you would be a fool to doubt the skill level of maryland even on an off day, not to mention, oh yeah, duh, yeah i know how to play tekken. why would you even come out your mouth like that and assume im trash? you mad because you stated a completely retarded fucking argument that is, and has been easily debated and crushed on this forum for fucking years now?

    im glad your ranked good online. congratulations on that. lol. fact of the matter is, your fucking argument is fucking stupid. if you think people just need to stop fucking up and not get hit by shit, then your retarded. flat out. there are players better then you and i that we couldnt even touch that still get hit by shit, thats a part of fighting games. why the fuck do you think people hate stupid ass srk trades to ultra, and dp to ultra so much in sf4, because everyone catches an srk sometimes, and especially with that stupidly large ass reversal window. so yes, everyone catches a b+1 by steve sometimes, and all that theory fighting bullshit people talk about on zaibatsu is just bullshit, because we all see how no matter how well people say they know how to play steve, they still get peaced out by him by good players.

    i didnt say you needed to prove shit. you just got real heated in the chest and got mad because i said your argument is stupid, which it is, and i know of no one that would agree with you. even though im away from home, im still active in my home forum, if you wanna decide to lurk there to justify that i know people within my own community. danny duh, da law, rugal b, duckin damon, paik when he did play, grimey grizzly (evo east 2007 champ with kuma), grimm, marbles aka copiera hustla (best ling and lili in md. easy. dudes a problem, and regularly streaks) , sayco (a few times), turkeasy. cmon son. besides grimey really, i have regularly played with all them during the dr era weekly. mostly with my boy da law, the best cap player and law player in maryland, and we played multiple times a week. you know, da law? dude that was top 8 at evo east 2k7, and that still doesnt fully display his overall skill as a player, and i played this dude regularly, and is my close friend. i played with the best from my hometown for years, who have played the best. i worked my way up no doubt from scrub status, but im far from a tekken slouch, and have been for a while, even after only really regularly playing, da law, and marbles.

    im droppin older years because thats when md played the most, and things died off a bit in 08. i moved away for a bit myself, and tekken 6 was the new jam, so everyone been waiting for that, but i still played regularly even up until i left my regular comp. so there, you asked my credentials, and there they fucking are, and thats old shit, im on some new shit skill wise myself with tekken 6. just trying to get situated back again like everyone else trying to adapt to all the character newness. but yes, i play tekken, sir. i aint gonna ask your credentials, because they dont matter. what matters is that silly ass statement of yours that people need to just play more solid and not get hit by shit, when that is impossible. no one is talking about getting hit by snake edges, son. lol!

    if everyone could play so perfect, every match would time out even on 100. the most perfect players out in korea and japan still be hitting each other with counter hits, and generic launchers. ha ha. even some of the current somebodies in the american tekken community aint playing all that special, make mistakes, whiff random slow moves, and play wildly at times.

    so im sure you have something good to say about tekken if you got some staple comp, but for real, your statement was fucking dumb, and there is no argument to that. zero argument. so calm that heat in your chest, and lets move on, because there is no argument there. if you wanna argue other shit, feel free, but telling people to just stop fucking up is not an argument against plus 1 settings.
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  • yah yaahh b*tch!yah yaahh b*tch! thats my b*tch Joined: Posts: 6,079
    Someone's angry.
  • jimmy1200jimmy1200 Joined: Posts: 8,872
    not really. im over it. i had one moment of heat, and it left. i just was explaining my tekken background and a couple random points since you were interested.
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  • yah yaahh b*tch!yah yaahh b*tch! thats my b*tch Joined: Posts: 6,079
    Well gimme some footnotes because I didnt read that crap.
  • sh1ftysh1fty TheUberCast.com ! Joined: Posts: 325
    The reason why we're the best at Marvel is because when that game came out, the Asians were like "This game is fucking broken" and stopped playing it.


    I actually agree with is.




    That game really is fucking broken.
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  • sh1ftysh1fty TheUberCast.com ! Joined: Posts: 325
    The reason why we're the best at Marvel is because when that game came out, the Asians were like "This game is fucking broken" and stopped playing it.


    I actually agree with is.




    That game really is fucking broken.


    Obviously..
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I dont have to prove anything to you. I play some of the best players on and offline. I was ranked 13th in NA on the leaderboards in DR with Christie and im currently 140 in the world with Chrisite and rising.

    Nobody is asking you to prove anything.

    What jimmy did was just proving to you that you had no argument.
  • yah yaahh b*tch!yah yaahh b*tch! thats my b*tch Joined: Posts: 6,079
    Its all a matter of opinion.

    I said stop fucking up and you wont lose. The top tier can take you on with ONE juggle. ONE. You fuck up in the middle of the stage and youre're already juggled to the wall, now if you fuck up again in a game of oki there goes the round.


    Really we are playing a game of nitpick now. I was only being semi-serious when I said it.


    You want to win in Tekken? Dont fuck up. A comeback in Tekken is a two step process. Launch > juggle to wall, okizeme into mixups for re-juggle = death.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Its all a matter of opinion.

    I said stop fucking up and you wont lose.

    Giving the "advice" to "not make any mistakes" is not an intelligent or constructive advice nor a good help to improve anyones game.

    Everyone makes mistakes, be it freshmen or top-level players.

    Neither the new beginner nor the Pro is "aiming" to make mistakes.

    You will have to be a tad more constructive than that.
  • JarekovJarekov Thou Art A Bear Joined: Posts: 1,995
    we should really rename this thread to T6 flame war thread.
  • e1j1e1j1 ..... Joined: Posts: 1,794
    We're arguing online rankings now? Especially in fucking DR?

    And I'm an idiot for saying Marvel's broken? What the fuck would you call that shit? Balanced?
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  • yah yaahh b*tch!yah yaahh b*tch! thats my b*tch Joined: Posts: 6,079
    I dont recall anyone arguring about online rankings. But lets not jump to the conclusions that because you are highly ranked online means you are a good player, its just a good chance that you may be.


    None the less I dont know what kind of help I can give. if we are just being general and im just being an asshole, I'm sticking by the "less mistakes more win" school of thought. Poor execution and the wrong options for situations are generally what blow it for people who have a decent grasp on the game.

    Tekken is a big fat game of footsies. You guess wrong and thats your ass.

    Look at some of those westcoast matches of Mr. Naps and co. Throw opening the match, combo after throw, oki into the wall, wall juggle and its KO. What kind of help are you supposed to give someone in this game? lol. DONT BLOW IT! Never fuck up!
  • e1j1e1j1 ..... Joined: Posts: 1,794
    lol You can't footsies in Tekken. The moves are too slow. You play footsies in this game you're gonna get launched. Winning in this game depends on how you play. You can rush people down or turtle or a combo of both. You wanna launch people you need to create whiffs. Via stepping, spacing, ducking. You wanna pressure people? Stay in their faces, throw, mix up your attacks, block when necessary. Not every character is made for certain play styles. For example, rushing people down with Lee is bad, he doesn't good tools to really play that way at high level.
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  • Shin OniShin Oni Mr. Gimmicks Joined: Posts: 6,269
    lol...footsie in tekken.

    that's a nice try though. This thread is a ball of laughs now.
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  • 9thpixel9thpixel 9 Joined: Posts: 215
    Tekken 6 really encourages any style of play only somewhat differing by character choice. The variety of character strengths in the top tier shows this quite well. For any character you have got to risk it for big damage. Just hanging around waiting for someone to mess up is not going to happen very often. Top players only really mess up if provoked, which means you have to work a strong game of deception to get that big damage.

    The best advice I can give to a player suffering from constant combo, oki, round over is this. Do the best you can to not run into stuff which is the main reason for the, "What the!! I was blocking" response. Walking is an option with auto mid/high guard as soon as you stop rather than dashing which makes you have to throw the stick into the back position to block. Just like SF, if you don't need to dash, then don't.

    Also when your character is on the ground it's not a bad thing to stay down there and take a few ground hits. You may eat a combo's worth of damage from those ground hits, but if you watch them you can learn so much. In time you can start to see where those open windows to safely get up are.

    If say, they attempt a refloat with a simple mid poke and miss because you did not move, then that could be the free get off the ground free card you need and all you did was just be a little patient. Obviously, you do not always want to stay down, but it will be a lot less frustrating for you to learn Tekken's complex ground game by leaning on that stay down option when you just don't know what they are capable of yet.
  • yah yaahh b*tch!yah yaahh b*tch! thats my b*tch Joined: Posts: 6,079


    This isnt a game of footies?

    Oh.


    Well. Watching japanese and korean match videos all day is going to get me NOWHERE. I need to just stay in this topic and absorb all the knowledge.
  • BemaniAKBemaniAK Regitrd usr Joined: Posts: 618
    lol You can't footsies in Tekken. The moves are too slow. You play footsies in this game you're gonna get launched.

    What?

    Aren't footsies essentially just whiff punishing? That happens in Tekken all the time, I get more launches off whiff punishes than counter-hits.
  • RugedmanRugedman Worst in 505 Joined: Posts: 1,428
    lol You can't footsies in Tekken. The moves are too slow. You play footsies in this game you're gonna get launched. Winning in this game depends on how you play. You can rush people down or turtle or a combo of both. You wanna launch people you need to create whiffs. Via stepping, spacing, ducking. You wanna pressure people? Stay in their faces, throw, mix up your attacks, block when necessary. Not every character is made for certain play styles. For example, rushing people down with Lee is bad, he doesn't good tools to really play that way at high level.

    You say theres no footsies and then you go ahead and define it in Tekken and say how important it is. Your example does not make sense to me neither you say Lee is not a rush down character yeah so either is Sim in SF but does that mean you can't play footsies?

    Basically your saying in other fighters you don't want to create whiff when you play footsies in SF thats not what your looking for is whifffed moves really? Your not looking for someone like ryu to whiff a low mk so you can get damage? Or bait a srk ... no?
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  • gl0rygl0ry In Your Face Joined: Posts: 1,080
    I said stop fucking up and you wont lose..

    I agree with you 100% Tekken is a game where one mistake can cost you the entire round.

    I think the people who have been playing Tekken for years refuse to agree with that for whatever reason, but really the only method of defense in Tekken is recognition. You can't block, step, or duck the strings in that game if you don't know them. The game has a very skewed risk/reward system. You can argue this all you want but if someone can take half your life with a safe poke then how can you argue this?

    To sum it up if you fuck up by whiffing against someone or defending improperly you're going to lose. There's nothing wrong with that statement at all.
  • 9thpixel9thpixel 9 Joined: Posts: 215
    It is just that some take insult when you amount all of Tekken by a couple characters who excel at punishing and call the entire game a two mistake KO fest. Just like some SF players take insult to amounting all of Street Fighter to fireballs and DP's. Both games are more than what they appear. Either like one, both, or don't the door hit you on the way out.
  • shadow x jinshadow x jin Joined: Posts: 86


    This isnt a game of footies?

    Oh.


    Well. Watching japanese and korean match videos all day is going to get me NOWHERE. I need to just stay in this topic and absorb all the knowledge.

    I wouldnt say tekken revolves around footsies. Yes spacing is a huge factor in Tekken ( more friendly now that sidesteps and backdashes are reduced) but at its most basic level it boils down to a game of rock papers scissors. high medium low etc and i love it.
  • lainlain epic amounts of care Joined: Posts: 140
    Steve isn' Top 5 either. His standing punishment is worse than bobs. The max damage he gets all the way to -22 standing is like 112 which is 30 damage. Granted in the higher teens he can land ff+2 but that's not the point. Steve has crap WS launchers too. I mean damn. People it's not that hard to tell when a character has a serious fatal flaw that stops them from being top tier.

    I'm not even sure if Steve should break Top 10. His damage is just so good when he finally gets a hit that you can't dismiss it but man does he have tons of problems.

    lol.
  • lainlain epic amounts of care Joined: Posts: 140
    korea / green arcade stopped using +1 when BR came out, where are you people getting your information?
  • jimmy1200jimmy1200 Joined: Posts: 8,872
    tekkenzaibatsu is where i get it from, taken from what i have seen said by korean players that play at green. they did plus 2 for tekken 6, and do plus 1 now. you can peep my thread that i basically gave up on. apparently even the australian players play on +1. only reason i brought it up is because i have read a few times that they still play plus settings for tekken, which makes sense in my opinon.

    http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=115698
    Originally posted by WCMaxi
    Though it is unlikely there will be more, no official events ever detour from default. Additionally, SBO is always default (which will continue). Korean combo damage looks identical to combo damage here so I'd bet they are default.

    Increasing health is only going to widen the tiers.


    according to help me, koreans play on +1

    and also few setups at green arcade was on default dunno about now :X
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  • lainlain epic amounts of care Joined: Posts: 140
    so green is a mixed bag helpme is saying they are on +1 but every match I see with holeman, nin, chanel, all of those people and on tekken crash is default. maybe they "practice" on +1.

    edit: i remember reading your thread and people were posting in the old tier thread that it widens the gaps , which it definitely does
  • lainlain epic amounts of care Joined: Posts: 140
    tekkenzaibatsu is where i get it from, taken from what i have seen said by korean players that play at green. they did plus 2 for tekken 6, and do plus 1 now. you can peep my thread that i basically gave up on. apparently even the australian players play on +1. only reason i brought it up is because i have read a few times that they still play plus settings for tekken, which makes sense in my opinon.

    http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=115698

    http://www.tekkenzaibatsu.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=4043798#post4043798

    reinvigorated the interest in it. trying to get some answers cause i think it's important as well, especially since knee and tissuemon are coming to FR13
  • KamTxKamTx Unblockable Arts Joined: Posts: 244
    Here's my list, it is hard to still tell now...but top 5 (in no order)

    Steve, Bob, Bryan, Lili, Bruce

    Close to Top Tier (No order): Julia, Lars, Law, King, Alisa, Eddy, Nina, Paul, Roger Jr, Jack-6
    Upper Mid Tier: Baek, Asuka, Marduk, DVJ, Heihachi, Kaz,
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  • TrueSephirothTrueSephiroth Joined: Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    The reason why we're the best at Marvel is because when that game came out, the Asians were like "This game is fucking broken" and stopped playing it.

    So wrong for so many reasons and a terrible excuse to be noted. Firstly, they didn't "stop" playing because it was "broken" look at how many FG's other asian countries play that are broken, you can't come to me and say that Blanka wasn't that "good" in CvS2 or that A3 V-Ism's weren't bullshit, or that Genei-Jin Yun/SAII Chun were the definition of "balance", etc, etc. MvC2 being broken had absolutely nothing to do with that.

    What really had to do with the notion was because MvC2 wasn't particularly "as" popular due to the fact that the Marvel characters are not as well established with the players over seas, and thus that game did not have the appeal nor the same impact or competition as it was over here.

    Some of you peeps need to stop spewing bullshit, and learn the facts man.

    Away from that statement it's interesting to see the Tier Listing, I haven't played Tekken 6 BR yet, I've only had the chance of playing the org. T6 back when it first debuted. I am and will forever be a Jin Purist.
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  • FlyMikeFlyMike Rsk Rating $$$ Joined: Posts: 3,091
    Hahahahaha at this whole thread.
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  • shinwolverineshinwolverine I dont play fighting games (ノʘ‿ʘ)ノ☆ Joined: Posts: 758
    I kick ass with Yoshimitsu. Why is he so low on the list?
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Because this game is soupah balanced.
  • XLCowBoyXLCowBoy Join Date: June 1991 Joined: Posts: 599
    Well, I hope you guys are done bickering...

    Anyhow, since everyone has been playing this for quite sometime, thoughts on the characters' overall balance?

    IMHO:

    Top 3:
    Bryan, Bruce, Alisa

    Top Others:
    Bob, Lars, Steve, Law, Nina, Julia, Jack, Paul, Baek, Lili

    Strong:
    King, Lee, Leo, Eddy, Feng, Miguel, D.Jin, Roger, Kaz, Hei

    Sorta mid tier-ish:
    Lei, Ling, Wang, Anna, Asuka, Christie, Ganryu, A.King, Dragunov

    Not that great, but still dangerous in the right hands:
    Jin, Hwo, Kuma, Marduk, Yoshimitsu, Zafina

    Crap:
    Raven

    Thoughts?
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  • 9thpixel9thpixel 9 Joined: Posts: 215
    Well, I hope you guys are done bickering...

    Anyhow, since everyone has been playing this for quite sometime, thoughts on the characters' overall balance?

    IMHO:

    Top 3:
    Bryan, Bruce, Alisa

    Top Others:
    Bob, Lars, Steve, Law, Nina, Julia, Jack, Paul, Baek, Lili

    Strong:
    King, Lee, Leo, Eddy, Feng, Miguel, D.Jin, Roger, Kaz, Hei

    Sorta mid tier-ish:
    Lei, Ling, Wang, Anna, Asuka, Christie, Ganryu, A.King, Dragunov

    Not that great, but still dangerous in the right hands:
    Jin, Hwo, Kuma, Marduk, Yoshimitsu, Zafina

    Crap:
    Raven

    Thoughts?

    Xiaoyu
    Xiaoyu should be in the Not that great group. Why? Overall low damage with juggles only up to par with walls, relatively easy to sidestep her (SSL), and among her group she has no good low, her only strong "mixup" is her backturned throws.

    Raven
    Raven is not crap, nor all alone. Being in a scene where the Raven player is the top player maybe makes me a bit biased, but I think I also have fair grounds to talk about him. Strong whiff punishment (4~3), good lows (qcf+2, FC d/f+3+4, FC 3), and one of the most annoying mid pokes in the game (d/f+1). It does hurt him for being such a gamble to do big damage, but in a game where gambling is bit more encouraged than past Tekken's he is not all bad.
  • XLCowBoyXLCowBoy Join Date: June 1991 Joined: Posts: 599
    Xiaoyu: hmmm, makes sense.

    Raven: it could be the player you're playing against tbh. IMHO, Raven has the worst juggle hitbox in the game, making him, IMO, the most unreliable character (especially at crunch time). I can't think of another character with juggle hitboxes as unreliable as his. (except for Jin's hitboxes, which are awful as well, but at least there's someway to "help" how bad his 1,3~3 is.)
    If Tekken had a character that was a ball-sack, and it was playable, I'm pretty sure people would own with it. -FlyMike
  • X_Factor86X_Factor86 Wants KOF XIII NAO Joined: Posts: 74
    Thoughts?

    I would like to know why you put up Paul so high on the tier list honestly? I can see him easily being being the lower part of your strong character list, but Top Others?
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  • XLCowBoyXLCowBoy Join Date: June 1991 Joined: Posts: 599
    Paul: what's missing from his game? His df2 crushes most highs. Damage output on a per-hit basis is one of the highest in the game (one DF on CH can turn the match). Decent SW, 32 is a great poke, b12 is fast, safe, leaves the opp in NC on block,his juggles are reliable, etc.

    He's simple, but he's effective. Hell, Chet (Paul) won the US Nationals with him, right?
    If Tekken had a character that was a ball-sack, and it was playable, I'm pretty sure people would own with it. -FlyMike
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