Tekken 6 Tier List?

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  • BrawlproBrawlpro Larsy Lars Joined: Posts: 43
    I really think you're just theory-fighting yourself out of using great tools. I spam f,f+4,3 with Lars, and that shit is -27 on block AND slow. It still hits. What up.
    Man you really don't want to do that. It's -16 on block and -3 on both regular and counter hit that move is mad fail.
  • Cosmic_CastawayCosmic_Castaway Legendary Dark Knight Joined: Posts: 2,449
    Man you really don't want to do that. It's -16 on block and -3 on both regular and counter hit that move is mad fail.
    I know Lars' frame data. And if the first hit of f,f+4 is blocked, Lars staggers, and that's actually about -30 on block; the second hit doesn't go through. If the first hit whiffs and the second is blocked, then it's -16.

    However, still an awesome move. 40 damage for a low-mid NC. Land two of them, and that's half their health. Tbh, frame data only means so much to me. Generic d+4s and d/b+4s are -3 on hit, and -12 on block, but they're quick as shit, and great for poking, so why wouldn't I use them?

    You can't just think about the paper aspects for moves in this game. Theory-fighting gets you nowhere.
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  • araider08araider08 Use your head! Or I will... I need a new bowling ball. Joined: Posts: 973 ✭✭✭
    I really think you're just theory-fighting yourself out of using great tools. I spam f,f+4,3 with Lars, and that shit is -27 on block AND slow. It still hits. What up.
    I just don't trust a lot of Steve's lows anymore, so I've traded them for mids. Like 4, 1 (shoulder) to PAB d+1, to PAB df+1, 1---> PAB 1+2 throw. That sequence works a lot and is a far safer and more damaging option than db+2 of db+3, 2... db+3, 2 is the FLYEST move in the game though. I wouldn't really on those lows while playing in tournies though.
    Also, one not about Lars: His hop kick (that kung-fu power ranger flip shit) is the only hop kick Steve can punish on block with uf+2. Small window, but it's definitely launch punishable by Steve.
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  • Cosmic_CastawayCosmic_Castaway Legendary Dark Knight Joined: Posts: 2,449
    I just don't trust a lot of Steve's lows anymore, so I've traded them for mids. Like 4, 1 (shoulder) to PAB d+1, to PAB df+1, 1---> PAB 1+2 throw. That sequence works a lot and is a far safer and more damaging option than db+2 of db+3, 2... db+3, 2 is the FLYEST move in the game though. I wouldn't really on those lows while playing in tournies though.
    Stopped playing so scared. You'll never get better.
    Also, one not about Lars: His hop kick (that kung-fu power ranger flip shit) is the only hop kick Steve can punish on block with uf+2. Small window, but it's definitely launch punishable by Steve.
    I know. The move's called u/f+3. It's -21 on block, and Steve's u/f+2 is i19. Just mash it out once you block it.
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  • araider08araider08 Use your head! Or I will... I need a new bowling ball. Joined: Posts: 973 ✭✭✭
    Stopped playing so scared. You'll never get better.

    I know. The move's called u/f+3. It's -21 on block, and Steve's u/f+2 is i19. Just mash it out once you block it.
    It's not playing scared. It's playing smart and knowing what my opponent is looking for and being wary of abusing those moves. If I play against another Steve I know to watch for that sweep because it starts okizeme mind games...
    I'm actually have a very bulldog style of play when the opportunity opens...
    Have no idea where you'd get the idea of "scared," from.
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  • Cosmic_CastawayCosmic_Castaway Legendary Dark Knight Joined: Posts: 2,449
    Have no idea where you'd get the idea of "scared," from.
    Theory-fighting = fighting scared. Duh.
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  • BrawlproBrawlpro Larsy Lars Joined: Posts: 43

    However, still an awesome move. 40 damage for a low-mid NC. Land two of them, and that's half their health.
    True, but then again, if somebody blocks ONE of those, they can uf n 4 you and take half your life, more than half if you include walls. It's all preference to me, that's just not a move I prefer to spam.
    Generic d+4s and d/b+4s are -3 on hit, and -12 on block, but they're quick as shit, and great for poking, so why wouldn't I use them?
    Exactly, they're quick as shit ...and not launch punishable.
  • Cosmic_CastawayCosmic_Castaway Legendary Dark Knight Joined: Posts: 2,449
    True, but then again, if somebody blocks ONE of those, they can uf n 4 you and take half your life, more than half if you include walls. It's all preference to me, that's just not a move I prefer to spam.
    Lol, well I'm exaggerating when I say "Spam", but I do use it more than I should. It's really just one of those things that people do not expect.
    Exactly, they're quick as shit ...and not launch punishable.
    K, so? On paper they still suck, just like f,f+4,3. ;)

    I'd go on, but we've derailed the topic long enough, lmao.
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  • BrawlproBrawlpro Larsy Lars Joined: Posts: 43
    Ok new discussion, let's talk about why in the earlier posts people included Paul with other top tiers.
  • BrahmaBrahma Get it on Joined: Posts: 514
    On paper Lars f,f+4,3 sucks, as it's launch punishable. However, the likelihood that someone blocks it is nil. It is virtually unseeable, and as long as it's not abused (i.e. only used a few times a match) it's a solid damaging low.
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  • irl II Wilsonirl II Wilson Joined: Posts: 398
    where do you guys rate lars on the tier list ?
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  • D-O-$ingle_GD-O-$ingle_G KOF.... it's here again. Joined: Posts: 168
    Lars is somewhere in S tier with Bryan, Bob, Law and Steve. Where, exactly, is debatable. A lot of people have him at the top, though.
  • Sleepy ZeroSleepy Zero The Other Lee Player Joined: Posts: 531
    If you think Bob, Law, and Steve are top tier you lack information about Tekken 6 and how well characters actually preform..Those 3 characters that have new won Tekken Crash and never had a Tekken God rank card in Korea. Good characters, yes, Top tier, no. Top tier is heavily debatable but I'll give you your choices, Bryan, Nina, Bruce, Julia, Lars, Roger Jr, Devil Jin, Jack, Armor King, Alisa, and Lili. All of those characters besides having strong tournament performances, have won Tekken Crash and or have reached Tekken God rank in Korea. A tier list is based on characters played a the highest level and at the highest level Bob, Steve, and Law do not win consistently,

    BTW I'm pretty sure Nina is the best character in the game. She does the most damage, has the best low, has fantastic throws(she has an unbreakable throw!), the longest wall carry in the game, great tracking, good crush moves including the fastest low crush in the game, great oki and tech traps, and favorable match ups against most of the top tier cast. She is almost Top 5 in every single category in the game that is important, not to mention she has Hiashita step, a good SS, and a good back dash.
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  • FlyMikeFlyMike Rsk Rating $$$ Joined: Posts: 3,091
    US top tier is different from Korea top tier, for the simple fact that you have a variety of characters utilized at high level in Korea whereas in the states the top players find comfort in the same handful. And even when comparing the two, the skill levels now are negligible. I'll put money on Anakin over anyone anyday.

    I agree with you on Nina though. At one point, I really thought that she could become best character in game even though I don't feel right openly saying it right now. And mostly because so many slept-on characters have not been utilized to adequate potential by certain calibur players. It's sad, but looks like the book is/has been closed on Tekken 6.

    We can only hope for a better representation across the board in TTT2. T6 tier list is too subjective unless you go by who has won majors. And that's not enough.
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  • Sleepy ZeroSleepy Zero The Other Lee Player Joined: Posts: 531
    US top tier is different from Korea top tier, for the simple fact that you have a variety of characters utilized at high level in Korea whereas in the states the top players find comfort in the same handful. And even when comparing the two, the skill levels now are negligible. I'll put money on Anakin over anyone anyday.

    I agree with you on Nina though. At one point, I really thought that she could become best character in game even though I don't feel right openly saying it right now. And mostly because so many slept-on characters have not been utilized to adequate potential by certain calibur players. It's sad, but looks like the book is/has been closed on Tekken 6.

    We can only hope for a better representation across the board in TTT2. T6 tier list is too subjective unless you go by who has won majors. And that's not enough.

    Tier don't change between regions. They are what they are no matter where the game is. Korea has the strongest Tekken scene in the world by far. Seoul has the best tekken players per capita anywhere in the world. This is where characters are put to the test in the grinder everyday and this where you should be basing the tier list around. Do we have top level players in the U.S.? Yes we do but they are all spread very far apart from each other most of the time and because of this lack of match up experience plays a much heavier role in the US then it does in Korea.

    Facts are facts when you have consistent top level talent in an area constantly going at each other Steve, Bob, and Law can not separate themselves from the pack even when played by the best players. Just think about all the great Steve players like Nin, Dosaki, Rain, FightingSpirit, and how despite them being so good none of them could ever take Steve into Contention for God Rank in T6:BR. Rain could win Tekken Crash with Bruce and get to Tekken God with him but could not pull it off with Steve. It's should be obvious though why Bob and Steve struggle so much. They lack solid punishment across the board and for the most part rely on their opponents to make mistakes and for them to try and slowly pick you apart. It's too hard to get a launch with them which eventually over time and acquisition of knowledge leads to them being limited in what they can do and how they can win.

    Let's take a perfect exmple of what just happened at Final Round this year. Again PokeChop and DJ KOR played in a heated match and AGAIN Pokechop won. Bruce vs. Bob. I think there are some people out there that would claim KOR might have the best Bob in the entire world or at least plays Bob at the highest possible level yet ever single time despite that he can not beat Pokechop's Bruce. Bruce just has more tools, does more damage, and is the overall stronger character. Bob can d+1 and jab all day but eventually Bruce is going to get a read and catch him with a CH 4. hopkick, or b+2 and the tables drastically turn. Bob doesn't have tools like that.

    It's all up for debate because in such a balanced game as Tekken 6: BR we may never know the real tier list. It might take 20+ years of playing the game to find it. However as a closing comment I will leave my Top 5 in order. This has been the top 5 I've had for a long time now.

    1.) Nina
    2.) Bryan
    3.) Julia
    4.) Bruce
    5.) Lars

    as for what's left for possible Top 20 I don't have an order but

    Jack-6
    Roger Jr.
    Devil Jin
    Alisa
    Lili
    Armor King
    Steve
    Law
    Bob
    Capos
    Kazuya
    Lee
    Kuma
    Leo
    Dragunov
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  • (CHI) holli(CHI) holli Joined: Posts: 146
    hmm, there are both law and bob tekken gods in korea—some of the top US players are law and bob players.

    as for steve, the claim that there isn't contention for god rank in korea is a fallacy. nin has outwardly stated that he doesn't believe in deathmatches, he'd be a tekken god if he wanted to. to my understanding, rain played steve for counter-picking purposes and thusly his steve isn't as invested as his miguel or bruce yet he was still able to achieve high levels with him. fight spirit is an emperor and was a relative-newcomer to T6:BR. we also shouldn't discount japan—they have multiple Steve gods which were reached at early stages of the game

    steve, bruce, lars, bob, bryan are my personal top 5. bob is debatable. i may switch him with DvJ

    i used to think julia had top 5 potential until I learned about some of her weaknesses. her weak left tracking and reliance on 50/50s made me think otherwise.

    Steve has the best tracking and best frames in the game, he has great wall carry and w! damage. You say people have weak knowledge yet you offer nothing empirical. we can't go by card ranks and tekken crash alone.
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  • The Game mario316The Game mario316 Back in The Game Bitch Joined: Posts: 876
    I just love how he gives more credit to the character than the player. Bruce has more tools? lol? What the tools that gets him launched? Every time he guesses right it ends with Pokchop losing half life.

    And I didn't know we based tier lists off of Tekken Crash. The same Tekken Crash that, oh I dunno, several times that Malgu OCVed a good amount of teams including a team that RAIN was in. Malgu, a LAW player. The same Tekken Crash that, someone correct me if I'm wrong, a bear player was on there team that either came close or actually won it.

    Can you please find better reasons as to why Steve, Bob, and Law are not top 3 materials cause I can think of many reasons why Steve and Law are top 3. Bob is Top 5.
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