The Optical Joystick Discussion

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  • deseradadeserada Joined: Posts: 562
    edited December 2014
    Another thing I'd add, and something I learned from @hibachifinal‌ 's experience, is that you want a voltage regulator circuit in your design if you plan to use systems which supply something other than 5V (PSX, PS2, etc.) because the optical PCB will not run properly unless it is getting 5V. Playstation consoles supply anywhere from 5V to 3V (known to dip into 3V often), and their official controllers will run fine on that range, but your other hardware may not.

    Edit: Misquoted the voltage ratings. Fixed.
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  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,818
    We are planning on adding the Flash to the store, if people want a us source
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  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,156
    deserada wrote: »
    The tactile response of microswitches is something I'm very attached to, even if you're going to go with the D2MV silent switch mod and get the slightest actuation force/tactile response in return.

    No doubt I'd love to try it out someday, but the reason I haven't jumped on an optical PCB just yet is because my primary method of orienteering is by using the tactile feedback from diagonals to find what angle the stick is at relative to my hand (without looking down at it, of course). The angle of the stick itself is only a problem because I tend to use a lot of smaller and sloped sticks (i.e. not rectangular prisms, think the Namco) which can transit a good deal of my lap without my noticing, but I digress. If I don't know the angle, I can't predict where directionals are, and it causes erroneous input.

    If I installed an optical pcb in anything, it'd most likely be a stick with a larger base, something like an HRAP where it would be more difficult to let the thing slip 30 degrees from horizontal while I'm playing (lol).

    IMO for japanese sticks, the only thing I feel is the square gate. I never had a problem with orientation, whether it is on a cab, the floor, or on my lap I get my bearings. Maybe I played too much at one point in time.

    I can see what you are saying with regards to smaller sticks. If anything I would would think an optical stick would be a good choice for those with a gentler play style. These aren't exactly Happ joysticks.

    Darksakul wrote: »
    So what is the consensus on the JLHS Flash1 PCB? Is it worth it? You would think everyone would slap one of these into their sticks.
    Is it worth it and is it feasible are two different questions.

    Optical boards have the following Pros and cons

    Pros:
    Near silent operation (only sound you hear is the actuator hitting the gate)
    No mechanical switches to wear out
    laser like precision the board's with IR emitters and detectors

    Cons:
    Cost
    Needs a power source/ making sure you can get the recommended voltage for your joystick's optical PCB.
    Certain aftermarket actuators will not work (such as aluminum or white actuators) as they will reflect the IR light differently than the stock black actuator.
    Oversized actuators may also be an issue.
    Optical boards are only made for select Joysticks, such as the Flash 1 only works with the Sanwa JLF and various JLF clones, fans of other Joystick types may not have a option.

    Damn son why you comin at me SO HORD.

    Look, I am all about standardization. I can't stand these muhfuckas that show up to the crib/tournament and bitch about the setups because they are used to playing on some silly ass bastardization of an arcade stick. They got a semitsu octagonal gate, shortened shaft, with a fuckin keyboard number-pad for buttons. We can never be friends, on some Holla at Me 2pac type ish. 98% of these people still suck at fighting games too so all that tomfoolery doesn't get them anywhere.

    IMO the only annoying part is perhaps getting a power source. I admit my viewpoints are biased towards the arcade cab/supergun set ups so finding power is never really an issue. I think I have tracked down most of the Happ and Wico Perfect 360s out there, and there is no going back to cherry switches. I don't see why it wouldn't be the same for JLFs. I got some ascii clones coming in, and will be ordering Flash1s for optimal japanese setups on my cab and supergun. I want my shaft movements to feel like butter no homo. I only found one review on this site, but it didn't really cover very much. I guess I need to collect a bunch of them and install them on all my sticks to see what's up.

  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,084
    Actually I hate the JLF, its only 2nd only to how much I hate Happ/IL joysticks.
    I can't stand these muhfuckas that show up to the crib/tournament and bitch about the setups because they are used to playing on some silly ass bastardization of an arcade stick.
    That why most tournaments is BRING YOUR OWN CONTROLLER.
    They got a semitsu octagonal gate, shortened shaft, with a fuckin keyboard number-pad for buttons
    man I want to see that stick, sounds cool. Seimitsu joysticks are my 2nd choice.
    Look, I am all about standardization
    Then why sweat over optical boards, stick to a stock JLF.
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  • energizerfellowenergizerfellow Joined: Posts: 79
    Darksakul wrote: »
    Seimitsu joysticks are my 2nd choice.
    So what's your first choice?
  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,156
    Darksakul wrote: »
    Actually I hate the JLF, its only 2nd only to how much I hate Happ/IL joysticks.
    I can't stand these muhfuckas that show up to the crib/tournament and bitch about the setups because they are used to playing on some silly ass bastardization of an arcade stick.
    That why most tournaments is BRING YOUR OWN CONTROLLER.
    They got a semitsu octagonal gate, shortened shaft, with a fuckin keyboard number-pad for buttons
    man I want to see that stick, sounds cool. Seimitsu joysticks are my 2nd choice.
    Look, I am all about standardization
    Then why sweat over optical boards, stick to a stock JLF.

    - That's all good I'm just saying I prefer to play on what most would consider the original equipment/controls.

    - If you go to evo we can walk around and find these abominations.

    - We in the optical thread son. Your list of pros explains why, and I am all about silky smooth inputs. If the option is available there really aren't many strong arguments against the upgrade.

  • jrronimojrronimo Joined: Posts: 106
    armi0024 wrote: »
    We are planning on adding the Flash to the store, if people want a us source

    I've been pondering picking one up; this would definitely help matters!
  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,156
    So I built a new controller for my supergun. I needed a Japanese set up, so I gutted a T5 HRAP and slapped in a Flash1 pcb in my JLF. Will post a pic soon, but right off the bat this thing is butter. It is kind of weird not having to hear the switches click, but in the heat of battle you won't even notice it. IMO this pcb is better off paired with a stiffer spring. I installed a 3 lb spring from Paradise Arcade. I spent so much time collecting Happ optical sticks/parts that I over looked my japanese set ups. This is a fantastic upgrade.

  • Feargus001100Feargus001100 Joined: Posts: 989
    edited January 2015
    Hey Guys,

    Not really sure what these are, but saw only four primary wires, so I rolled the dice, and picked them up:

    RARE%20SNK%20OPTICAL%20ROTARY%20JOYSTICKS%20LS-30%20LS-40%20HARNESS%20NOS%20PARTS%20FOOTBALL%20TOPS_001.jpg

    RARE%20SNK%20OPTICAL%20ROTARY%20JOYSTICKS%20LS-30%20LS-40%20HARNESS%20NOS%20PARTS%20FOOTBALL%20TOPS_003.jpg

    RARE%20SNK%20OPTICAL%20ROTARY%20JOYSTICKS%20LS-30%20LS-40%20HARNESS%20NOS%20PARTS%20FOOTBALL%20TOPS_002.jpg

    Hopefully they'll be viable as 8-way joysticks (fingers crossed) o:)

    Seller details them as:
    "...
    RARE SNK OPTICAL ROTARY JOYSTICKS LS-30 LS-40 HARNESS NOS PARTS FOOTBALL TOPS
    • Very rare optical joysticks.
    • Complete with exceedingly rare football tops and cap wrench.
    • One of the tops and two of round plastic sleeves are NOS.
    • One button is included from the kit which was a Touchdown fever game.
    • The octagon and round shaped tops will work on these joysticks also.
    ..."
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    #MAS_Preservation_Society
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,084
    edited January 2015
    Hey Guys,

    Not really sure what these are, but saw only four primary wires, so I rolled the dice, and picked them up:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/toyl8xbt1iy6eob/RARE SNK OPTICAL ROTARY JOYSTICKS LS-30 LS-40 HARNESS NOS PARTS FOOTBALL TOPS_001.jpg

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/qi36k2i8uhyx2mt/RARE SNK OPTICAL ROTARY JOYSTICKS LS-30 LS-40 HARNESS NOS PARTS FOOTBALL TOPS_003.jpg

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/l7t829cwjohmy50/RARE SNK OPTICAL ROTARY JOYSTICKS LS-30 LS-40 HARNESS NOS PARTS FOOTBALL TOPS_002.jpg

    Hopefully they'll be viable as 8-way joysticks (fingers crossed) o:)

    Seller details them as:
    "...
    RARE SNK OPTICAL ROTARY JOYSTICKS LS-30 LS-40 HARNESS NOS PARTS FOOTBALL TOPS
    • Very rare optical joysticks.
    • Complete with exceedingly rare football tops and cap wrench.
    • One of the tops and two of round plastic sleeves are NOS.
    • One button is included from the kit which was a Touchdown fever game.
    • The octagon and round shaped tops will work on these joysticks also.
    ..."
    It looks like a variation of the LS-30 Joysticks that Ikari Warriors Arcade cab uses.
    I believe it is a Seimitsu stick where the nob doubles as a radial encoder.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • eczangiefeczangief GOD OF 1-HANDED ROM Joined: Posts: 1,877
    edited January 2015
    YO!!!! Those are for rotary stick games... good luck playing fighters with it. They ride like 18 wheelers.

    The 4-pin harness is for the rotary encoder. The joystick directions wire up directly to the micro-switches (mechanical).

    If you wind up selling them, lemme know, I was sort of deliberating over making the guy an offer.

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  • FattyWinnarzFattyWinnarz Joined: Posts: 328
    Really quick question, would the PCB of the Gamefinger Optical setup for a JLF follow the typical rule of thumb for dual mods where all PCB's need to be connected to each other's ground and VCC? For example if I have an Xbone and a 360 PCB in the stick, the directional lines would connect to both PCB's and the ground and VCC as well, rather than just connecting it to the PCB ground and VCC that it's closest to?
  • Rubidoux28stRubidoux28st Joined: Posts: 10
    It's does not work for Xbox one or ps4
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,084
    It's does not work for Xbox one or ps4
    What does not work with the PS4 or Xbone?
    Really quick question, would the PCB of the Gamefinger Optical setup for a JLF follow the typical rule of thumb for dual mods where all PCB's need to be connected to each other's ground and VCC? For example if I have an Xbone and a 360 PCB in the stick, the directional lines would connect to both PCB's and the ground and VCC as well, rather than just connecting it to the PCB ground and VCC that it's closest to?
    Well assuming the other grounds and VCC and directionalas are already wired for the PCBs, you only have to connect to 1 VCC and Gnd point and only one of the directionals as everything would be connected in chain.
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  • dublo7dublo7 Joined: Posts: 205
    edited October 2016
    Hello everyone. Just a question for those that know a bit about perfect 360s sticks. I favour these no corner / optical sticks, and prefer the bat top. Im pretty sure I could handle a ball-top optical stick – does that even exist? Is it that particularly hard to get as a custom stick? Im in the Toronto area and desperate to get one made to start playing again. And lastly what stick is most similar to a p360? Happ ultimate or Happ competition?
    thanks again!
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  • sasquachsasquach MvC2 making a comeback 2017? Joined: Posts: 365
    dublo7 wrote: »
    Hello everyone. Just a question for those that know a bit about perfect 360s sticks. I favour these no corner / optical sticks, and prefer the bat top. Im pretty sure I could handle a ball-top optical stick – does that even exist? Is it that particularly hard to get as a custom stick? Im in the Toronto area and desperate to get one made to start playing again. And lastly what stick is most similar to a p360? Happ ultimate or Happ competition?
    thanks again!

    Umm, I have used a Happ/Wico P360 before for a few hours on MvC2 and there are no aftermarket replacement for those optical joysticks, tho even tho I'm not really much of an American joystick guy, I still did enjoy it to some extent, but the lack of corners killed me in the end). Neither of those joysticks are even similar to the P360 imo, the P360 is stiffer is one thing and the other is that the P360 uses no microswitches at all whereas the other two joysticks you mentioned do, so performance wise they are nothing alike. To answer the question on which joystick is better, Happ Competition is by far, but the iL Eurostick is far better than either and it's literally the Happ Competition with a higher build quality, and even then, a Japanese joystick by design is just flat out better imo in terms of overall quality and accuracy, but we're not discussing that. Is it hard to get a custom stick? I'm not in Torronto, but there are some aftermarket options I think, but none of those really made are for the old school American parts, but you can also try building one out of wood which would be effective and slagcoin.com does have some diagrams on how you would construct the stick.

    Really the main options for optical joysticks at this point are: SparkCE, Gamerfinger's Flash 1 Clone (out of stock tho, so you may not find one of these, but the SparkCE is better anyways), and the Hori Hayabusa Optical, I may have missed a few, but I won't count the ones that are our of production/hard to find. Haven't tried the Hori one in game, so can't say anything about it, but I did try the original Flash1, along with Gamerfinger's version of it, as well and I really liked it. What would help tho to make the joysticks "feel" more like a P360 (not really, but feel more comfortable to you or easily adjustable) I guess is a stiff spring like 3 or 4lb (4 is overkill imo, but I'm a weak kid) into the Hayabusa or JLF's optical stick and throwing in a teardrop battop (similar to the Competition/iL battops) like that ones Paradise Arcade Shop has. You can also throw in a circle gate if you want to try that for that cornerless feel. But even after all these additions, it will still feel like a different joystick and the performance will be different as well, but on the brightside, the SparkCE has adjustable sensitivity which should let you pick your perfect sensitivity and tension is easily replaceable just by switching the springs.

    IMO if you really love the P360, then just try to hunt for one if you can whether on the trading outlet or on the MvC2 Facebook group, it'll be worth it if you really love it. Otherwise the iL Eurostick may be your best choice for an American joystick (technically it is Spanish tho so I dunno why I keep calling it American...). Well hope this helped.
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  • dublo7dublo7 Joined: Posts: 205
    That helps a lot, Sasquach. My research has lead me to the IL Eurostick as the most easily available, most similar to a p360. I've played on all sort of sticks Japanese and American, so it looks like that is my best bet. Im used to the stiff spring too on the p360. cool idea with the circle gate....I don't think I've tried that. I have commissioned a local stick builder but did no t know getting a p360 would be so difficult. Guess I should really hang on to my old MAS sticks!
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    -- "Boards..... don't fight back." -- Bruce Lee, Enter the Dragon
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  • dublo7dublo7 Joined: Posts: 205
    Hmm... the Hori Hayabusa looks really intriguing.... I wonder if I could put a bat top on that?
    -- "Hmmm. Upgrades." -- Neo, Matrix II
    -- "Boards..... don't fight back." -- Bruce Lee, Enter the Dragon
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  • sasquachsasquach MvC2 making a comeback 2017? Joined: Posts: 365
    dublo7 wrote: »
    Hmm... the Hori Hayabusa looks really intriguing.... I wonder if I could put a bat top on that?

    Yea you easily can if you grab a battop adapter with it and an aftermarket battop with it. You can add that circle gate to it from the JLF if you add Paradise's HUGS gate system to it. Again, dunno how well it'd work, but tou can try it I guess.
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  • anzharanzhar five times Joined: Posts: 937
    i got a stock og vlx thats wiresless with toodls axis adapter, what would be the easiest way to get 5v from my sixaxis pcb?

    i want to swap the tpma for an ascii optical
  • StrtFghtrMstrStrtFghtrMstr SRnk1VaBeachAlphaTeam Joined: Posts: 511 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    anzhar wrote: »
    i got a stock og vlx thats wiresless with toodls axis adapter, what would be the easiest way to get 5v from my sixaxis pcb?

    i want to swap the tpma for an ascii optical

    •So that pcb runs off 3.5V battery. Your 5V optical pcb cold work wired to the pcb's battery. You'll have shorter battery life.
    •Now you could leave the stick wired and wire into the micro usb for your 5V you just couldn't play wirelessly
    •Introduce your own secondary power source with a 5v/6v rechargeable battery.
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  • anzharanzhar five times Joined: Posts: 937
    anzhar wrote: »
    i got a stock og vlx thats wiresless with toodls axis adapter, what would be the easiest way to get 5v from my sixaxis pcb?

    i want to swap the tpma for an ascii optical

    •So that pcb runs off 3.5V battery. Your 5V optical pcb cold work wired to the pcb's battery. You'll have shorter battery life.
    •Now you could leave the stick wired and wire into the micro usb for your 5V you just couldn't play wirelessly
    •Introduce your own secondary power source with a 5v/6v rechargeable battery.

    got a pic of where the pcb gives 5v from??
  • StrtFghtrMstrStrtFghtrMstr SRnk1VaBeachAlphaTeam Joined: Posts: 511 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    41AwU3B.jpg
    Measure for that 5V underneath the pcb as pictured here with has the USB plugged in.
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    -SFA3 Replay Tournament Champion (21-0)
    -Sticks & Setups currently owned
    -Namco w/HFC/SilentKuros/SilentHayabusa-Zippys
    -Namco stock
    -VLX 360 w/JLF+Silent Zippy&uSW mod/OBS-MX Reds+Silent O-Rings/Qanba/Seimetsu/PCBs360VX+HFC4, Jansen x5 19MM Turbo Panel
    -VLX 360 Stock
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  • DirrtyPopDirrtyPop Joined: Posts: 198
    Does any place still sell the toodles spark? Or anyone have one for sale?
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,084
    DirrtyPop wrote: »
    Does any place still sell the toodles spark? Or anyone have one for sale?

    No stores has it.
    As for individuals willing to sell theirs? Try the Trading Post.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • DirrtyPopDirrtyPop Joined: Posts: 198
    I have, no luck yet =[
  • fifty8mmfifty8mm Patines Americanos Joined: Posts: 431
    So my Flash is buggy. The "up" input does not register as well as it should and diagonal "up-left" and "up-right" have to be pushed really hard and deep.
    I checked a ascii optical and it worked flawlessly on the same stick.

    Could the led position be a problem?
  • johnnybsbarjohnnybsbar Joined: Posts: 51
    fifty8mm wrote: »
    So my Flash is buggy. The "up" input does not register as well as it should and diagonal "up-left" and "up-right" have to be pushed really hard and deep.
    I checked a ascii optical and it worked flawlessly on the same stick.

    Could the led position be a problem?

    yo mine too, so i took it out a while ago, but i should test it again, did you find a fix?
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  • fifty8mmfifty8mm Patines Americanos Joined: Posts: 431
    fifty8mm wrote: »
    So my Flash is buggy. The "up" input does not register as well as it should and diagonal "up-left" and "up-right" have to be pushed really hard and deep.
    I checked a ascii optical and it worked flawlessly on the same stick.

    Could the led position be a problem?

    yo mine too, so i took it out a while ago, but i should test it again, did you find a fix?

    Its a crooked IR led. Make sure you know which one is the one that is crooked. Pm me if you do not know how to find the crooked IR led.
    But be so fucking careful trying to move it cause you will kill it if you are not.

    I still can not find the proper infra red to replace the one that burned out on me. Bummer too.
  • johnnybsbarjohnnybsbar Joined: Posts: 51
    edited April 28
    fifty8mm wrote: »
    fifty8mm wrote: »
    So my Flash is buggy. The "up" input does not register as well as it should and diagonal "up-left" and "up-right" have to be pushed really hard and deep.
    I checked a ascii optical and it worked flawlessly on the same stick.

    Could the led position be a problem?

    yo mine too, so i took it out a while ago, but i should test it again, did you find a fix?

    Its a crooked IR led. Make sure you know which one is the one that is crooked. Pm me if you do not know how to find the crooked IR led.
    But be so fucking careful trying to move it cause you will kill it if you are not.

    I still can not find the proper infra red to replace the one that burned out on me. Bummer too.

    oh word?!

    ill check that makes sense!

    edit

    2 were a lil off, gently bent them back, will test but i just picked up a hori vewlix ps4 i tried putting it there but not sure what to do with the power red single cable?
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  • SkarreSkarre Joined: Posts: 18
    edited May 4
    Optical sticks seem to have a pretty much all out high praise in terms of accuracy and smoothness, but I was wondering if anyone's tried them and still chosen to use regular microswitches with fighting games?
    Post edited by Skarre on
  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,156
    Skarre wrote: »
    Optical sticks seem to have a pretty much all out high praise in terms of accuracy and smoothness, but I was wondering if anyone's tried them and still chosen to use regular microswitches with fighting games?

    My Japanese cabs all have regular sticks. I prefer optical sticks, but will admit that they do feel different. Not a lot, but I think if you aren't used to playing on them it would be an issue. My travel sticks all have regular sanwas. If it is an MvC2 set up, I use all P360 sticks. I guess it just depends. Nowadays I am happy just to have a few people over to game. Standardized controls keeps everyone happy.

  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 915
    The audible (and sometimes tactile) clicks on snap-action microswitches found in most standard joysticks help to establish a rhythm during play that cannot be replicated through use of optical sensor or "silent" Reed switch-based joysticks. That said, you can get used to anything with enough practice (aka getting bodied).
  • johnnybsbarjohnnybsbar Joined: Posts: 51
    Skarre wrote: »
    Optical sticks seem to have a pretty much all out high praise in terms of accuracy and smoothness, but I was wondering if anyone's tried them and still chosen to use regular microswitches with fighting games?

    My Japanese cabs all have regular sticks. I prefer optical sticks, but will admit that they do feel different. Not a lot, but I think if you aren't used to playing on them it would be an issue. My travel sticks all have regular sanwas. If it is an MvC2 set up, I use all P360 sticks. I guess it just depends. Nowadays I am happy just to have a few people over to game. Standardized controls keeps everyone happy.

    ikr i had some friends play on a few before and they was tripping man!
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  • SkarreSkarre Joined: Posts: 18
    Thanks @Pablo_the_Mex & @jopamo, that's what I was thinking of. I guess in the end it's just about comfortability and preference.
  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,156
    Considering optical sticks are high-end and sometimes hard to come by, I would not feel too bad if you can't track any of them down. I think it only makes a difference for American style arcade controls, specifically MvC2. That is probably the only group out there searching for them on a regular basis. These new pcbs out there make it easy to power Perfect 360s with a dedicated 5v.

  • AgiezeAgieze Joined: Posts: 277
    edited May 6
    @DirrtyPop
    Just google "toodles spark CE" and voila you have a store selling it, it's supposedly in stock. CE is a revised spark, it has a sensitivity adjust via trimpot , it's the equivalent of adjusting the "engage" of an array of 4 snap microswitches.

    @Pablo_the_Mex
    there's nothing high end about them, they're simple photo interrupter circuits and they don't even self compensate but it's true they're getting very hard to find these days.

    @jopamo it's no substitute for the particular feel associated with snap switches, but an optical pcb + octogate can give a player a hint of what directions he's hitting , the price to pay is to ride the gate often . Guessing in the dark and relying 100% on muscle memory ( and a lot of training) would be to play with a pure circular restrictor + optical pcb, a real challenge. The feel gets closer to an analog stick.
  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 915
    Sorry @Agieze , but you lost me at "octogate."

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  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,636
    edited May 6
    sanwa shipped original FLASH1's kits with octogates

    it was an intended option for flash1's due to this lack of feeback on directions you are "hitting"

    http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt2/meus/IMG_1266.jpg
  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 915
    Insightful. Still not a fan :tongue:
  • ?AC?AC Joined: Posts: 95 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    thinking of buying a wico p360 but , does anyone know how this can hook up with a ps1 / ps2 pcb or anything ps1 ps2
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,084
    ?AC wrote: »
    thinking of buying a wico p360 but , does anyone know how this can hook up with a ps1 / ps2 pcb or anything ps1 ps2

    You need a DC to DC converter to step the voltage from +3 volts up to +5 volts.
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  • ?AC?AC Joined: Posts: 95 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    oh right do you know which one of these people used back in the day ?
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,084
    ?AC wrote: »
    oh right do you know which one of these people used back in the day ?

    No I don't. It was something from a older Toodles Spark thread, optical JLF board that used 5 volts and there issues using it with the PlayStation 1 and 2 as they give controllers only 3.5 volts.
    There a 7 volt line but that only used for rubble and certain other unique functions.
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  • KensumitsuKensumitsu The lurker Joined: Posts: 26
    Skarre wrote: »
    Optical sticks seem to have a pretty much all out high praise in terms of accuracy and smoothness, but I was wondering if anyone's tried them and still chosen to use regular microswitches with fighting games?

    I used to have an optical in my jlf, but I switched to silent jlf switches. Just as smooth imo, but not as accurate.
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