The Optical Joystick Discussion

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  • XMetalXMetal Just Be Madness Joined: Posts: 368 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Wuttup =) Been awhile, heh. Hope everyone's been good. Anyway, I noticed that the Rollie flash1 that they make now does NOT include the rubber ring that came with the original Sanwa Flash1! I contacted the dude and he says he never seen it, and that he owns a couple of originals. I was hoping someone with an original flash1 could possibly post a picture of it for me? That would be much appreciated.
  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    Hi all!
    I try to mod a HRAP2 SA whit a ASCII optical PCB, i remeber in the ps2 era some guys use his FLASH-1 stick in a PSX pcb, as i know you can only get a 3.5v using a PSX PCB instead of the 5v required but Flash-1 works good.

    Now im trying to use my ASCII stick using the HRAP pcb, and the 4 basic directions (U,D,L,R) works well the problem is diagonals, i using diferent actuators (Kowal, JLF stock, Ascii) in my test whit the same results, i dont know exactly if the diagonals doesnt work for the lack of VCC power, or another thing, any idea or sugestion about my problem?

    I forgot to mention, i test in a PS3 using a InPin converter.

    Thanks!

    That sounds pretty weird. I used to have an ASCII optical in my HRAP2SA and it worked perfectly with the stock actuator, diagonals and everything. I even used it on multiple PS3s with an inPin and it didn't give me any problems either. I wish I could give more technical advice, but it worked perfectly fine for me when I installed it on the stock Hori PCB. I didn't have to use a voltage converter to get 5 volts or anything.
  • SticksworthSticksworth Spice Runner Joined: Posts: 25
    Okay so I apologize in advance but I haven't read through all 10 pages so I don't know if this has been addressed but I have to know; do the optical joysticks work like analog joysticks or digital joysticks? Meaning, is it on/off or can you creep with it? Please & thank you.
  • rtdzignrtdzign Joined: Posts: 5,176
    Okay so I apologize in advance but I haven't read through all 10 pages so I don't know if this has been addressed but I have to know; do the optical joysticks work like analog joysticks or digital joysticks? Meaning, is it on/off or can you creep with it? Please & thank you.

    Optical joysticks are digital.
  • Half-RoHalf-Ro Omae wa mo shinderu.... Joined: Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited April 2014
    Friend has two (capcom vs snk) ft sticks he is gonna give me. I am gonna drop the sticks in different cases (vlx, vs)

    Just a few questions:

    Will a jlf squate gate fit the stick because I do not like octo? Also, will a jlf replacment spring work in it? I would like to put a 2.5 or 3lbs spring from PAS in them.


    Never mind, read back a couple pages and sounds like you can. Cool!
  • eczangiefeczangief GOD OF 1-HANDED ROM Joined: Posts: 1,877
    If you mean the ASCII optical sticks, then yes and yes.
    I can't believe I'm Magnetro.
  • Half-RoHalf-Ro Omae wa mo shinderu.... Joined: Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Thanks for the confirmation.
  • RaishinXRaishinX I fell off Joined: Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I don't know how relevant this is to the lot of you but I have an optical Korean joystick.
    Myungshin fanta is the base and instead of microswitches there is an optical pcb and a metallic panel (to ensure the infra red is f'ed with). It's (obviously) silent and really good. I had Gummo dual mod it @ Final Round XVII and he'd never heard of/seen on prior to that.
    i just stared at beast for 5 minutes.... hes looking right at me
    like im poongko and i got his money -Jaja Novistro
  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    RaishinX wrote: »
    I don't know how relevant this is to the lot of you but I have an optical Korean joystick.
    Myungshin fanta is the base and instead of microswitches there is an optical pcb and a metallic panel (to ensure the infra red is f'ed with). It's (obviously) silent and really good. I had Gummo dual mod it @ Final Round XVII and he'd never heard of/seen on prior to that.

    Got any pics? I'd love to take a look at this. Is this the optical joystick prototype that Crown or Myoungshin teased a while back?
  • fifty8mmfifty8mm Patines Americanos Joined: Posts: 434
    RaishinX wrote: »
    I don't know how relevant this is to the lot of you but I have an optical Korean joystick.
    Myungshin fanta is the base and instead of microswitches there is an optical pcb and a metallic panel (to ensure the infra red is f'ed with). It's (obviously) silent and really good. I had Gummo dual mod it @ Final Round XVII and he'd never heard of/seen on prior to that.
    I have gots to see this!
  • RaishinXRaishinX I fell off Joined: Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Need a camera but I can borrow a friend's iphone or something, I'm sure. It's basically a Myoungshin but instead of microswitches it's got a pcb with infrared lights n shit with a metal panel over it. It fits on the same knobs and is held down by screws using the same holes the microswitches.

    It does not fit onto a Taeyoung fanta because the assembly is different and the plastic on the bottom of that thing just doesn't allow it without modification. It could probably fit onto a crown with some minor modification.

    Silent and fairly sensitive. Probably more so than regular k-sticks. I'll do what I can to get pictures. Also you ask Gummo I believe it was he who modded it at FR17
    i just stared at beast for 5 minutes.... hes looking right at me
    like im poongko and i got his money -Jaja Novistro
  • fifty8mmfifty8mm Patines Americanos Joined: Posts: 434
    RaishinX wrote: »
    Need a camera but I can borrow a friend's iphone or something, I'm sure. It's basically a Myoungshin but instead of microswitches it's got a pcb with infrared lights n shit with a metal panel over it. It fits on the same knobs and is held down by screws using the same holes the microswitches.

    It does not fit onto a Taeyoung fanta because the assembly is different and the plastic on the bottom of that thing just doesn't allow it without modification. It could probably fit onto a crown with some minor modification.

    Silent and fairly sensitive. Probably more so than regular k-sticks. I'll do what I can to get pictures. Also you ask Gummo I believe it was he who modded it at FR17

    I would cry if your just messing with us lol looking foward to seeing it!
  • sethian0sethian0 B PoSiTiVe - B KiND Joined: Posts: 1,092
    edited July 2014
    anyone heard anything solid about the korean addition from IST... need korean optical!!!!

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    See IST optical lever in video:




    I am pretty sure this is what @RaishinX has since I saw his comment on that youtube video =)

    I couldn't find it on ISTMalls website.
  • RaishinXRaishinX I fell off Joined: Posts: 2,040 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    fifty8mm wrote: »
    RaishinX wrote: »
    Need a camera but I can borrow a friend's iphone or something, I'm sure. It's basically a Myoungshin but instead of microswitches it's got a pcb with infrared lights n shit with a metal panel over it. It fits on the same knobs and is held down by screws using the same holes the microswitches.

    It does not fit onto a Taeyoung fanta because the assembly is different and the plastic on the bottom of that thing just doesn't allow it without modification. It could probably fit onto a crown with some minor modification.

    Silent and fairly sensitive. Probably more so than regular k-sticks. I'll do what I can to get pictures. Also you ask Gummo I believe it was he who modded it at FR17

    I would cry if your just messing with us lol looking foward to seeing it!

    sorry but that's basically it in the vids (couldn't find them at the time). The link from the site is indeed gone (I could just about swear Laugh sold me the last one off of IST). I like it but as far as returning to neutral the stick requires the rubber grommet be relatively firm. Soft rubber is a no go as it flicks all over the place getting undesired inputs. Good stuff, though.
    i just stared at beast for 5 minutes.... hes looking right at me
    like im poongko and i got his money -Jaja Novistro
  • Wade GarrettWade Garrett Joined: Posts: 153
    anyone know where you can still buy the Rollie Flash 1? Focus attack doesn't carry them anymore and I've searched every play I can think of
  • 69mustang69mustang Joined: Posts: 140
    anyone know where you can still buy the Rollie Flash 1? Focus attack doesn't carry them anymore and I've searched every play I can think of

    Straight from the man himself

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/17746/rollie-electronics-flash-1-core-optical-joystick-pcb-29-95/p1
  • ihopeidieihopeidie already dead Joined: Posts: 32
  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,231
    So what is the consensus on the JLHS Flash1 PCB? Is it worth it? You would think everyone would slap one of these into their sticks.

  • deseradadeserada Joined: Posts: 564
    The tactile response of microswitches is something I'm very attached to, even if you're going to go with the D2MV silent switch mod and get the slightest actuation force/tactile response in return.

    No doubt I'd love to try it out someday, but the reason I haven't jumped on an optical PCB just yet is because my primary method of orienteering is by using the tactile feedback from diagonals to find what angle the stick is at relative to my hand (without looking down at it, of course). The angle of the stick itself is only a problem because I tend to use a lot of smaller and sloped sticks (i.e. not rectangular prisms, think the Namco) which can transit a good deal of my lap without my noticing, but I digress. If I don't know the angle, I can't predict where directionals are, and it causes erroneous input.

    If I installed an optical pcb in anything, it'd most likely be a stick with a larger base, something like an HRAP where it would be more difficult to let the thing slip 30 degrees from horizontal while I'm playing (lol).
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,381
    So what is the consensus on the JLHS Flash1 PCB? Is it worth it? You would think everyone would slap one of these into their sticks.
    Is it worth it and is it feasible are two different questions.

    Optical boards have the following Pros and cons

    Pros:
    Near silent operation (only sound you hear is the actuator hitting the gate)
    No mechanical switches to wear out
    laser like precision the board's with IR emitters and detectors

    Cons:
    Cost
    Needs a power source/ making sure you can get the recommended voltage for your joystick's optical PCB.
    Certain aftermarket actuators will not work (such as aluminum or white actuators) as they will reflect the IR light differently than the stock black actuator.
    Oversized actuators may also be an issue.
    Optical boards are only made for select Joysticks, such as the Flash 1 only works with the Sanwa JLF and various JLF clones, fans of other Joystick types may not have a option.
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  • deseradadeserada Joined: Posts: 564
    edited December 2014
    Another thing I'd add, and something I learned from @hibachifinal‌ 's experience, is that you want a voltage regulator circuit in your design if you plan to use systems which supply something other than 5V (PSX, PS2, etc.) because the optical PCB will not run properly unless it is getting 5V. Playstation consoles supply anywhere from 5V to 3V (known to dip into 3V often), and their official controllers will run fine on that range, but your other hardware may not.

    Edit: Misquoted the voltage ratings. Fixed.
    Post edited by deserada on
  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    We are planning on adding the Flash to the store, if people want a us source
    www.paradisearcadeshop.com Sanwa, Seimitsu and a ton of custom parts
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  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,231
    deserada wrote: »
    The tactile response of microswitches is something I'm very attached to, even if you're going to go with the D2MV silent switch mod and get the slightest actuation force/tactile response in return.

    No doubt I'd love to try it out someday, but the reason I haven't jumped on an optical PCB just yet is because my primary method of orienteering is by using the tactile feedback from diagonals to find what angle the stick is at relative to my hand (without looking down at it, of course). The angle of the stick itself is only a problem because I tend to use a lot of smaller and sloped sticks (i.e. not rectangular prisms, think the Namco) which can transit a good deal of my lap without my noticing, but I digress. If I don't know the angle, I can't predict where directionals are, and it causes erroneous input.

    If I installed an optical pcb in anything, it'd most likely be a stick with a larger base, something like an HRAP where it would be more difficult to let the thing slip 30 degrees from horizontal while I'm playing (lol).

    IMO for japanese sticks, the only thing I feel is the square gate. I never had a problem with orientation, whether it is on a cab, the floor, or on my lap I get my bearings. Maybe I played too much at one point in time.

    I can see what you are saying with regards to smaller sticks. If anything I would would think an optical stick would be a good choice for those with a gentler play style. These aren't exactly Happ joysticks.

    Darksakul wrote: »
    So what is the consensus on the JLHS Flash1 PCB? Is it worth it? You would think everyone would slap one of these into their sticks.
    Is it worth it and is it feasible are two different questions.

    Optical boards have the following Pros and cons

    Pros:
    Near silent operation (only sound you hear is the actuator hitting the gate)
    No mechanical switches to wear out
    laser like precision the board's with IR emitters and detectors

    Cons:
    Cost
    Needs a power source/ making sure you can get the recommended voltage for your joystick's optical PCB.
    Certain aftermarket actuators will not work (such as aluminum or white actuators) as they will reflect the IR light differently than the stock black actuator.
    Oversized actuators may also be an issue.
    Optical boards are only made for select Joysticks, such as the Flash 1 only works with the Sanwa JLF and various JLF clones, fans of other Joystick types may not have a option.

    Damn son why you comin at me SO HORD.

    Look, I am all about standardization. I can't stand these muhfuckas that show up to the crib/tournament and bitch about the setups because they are used to playing on some silly ass bastardization of an arcade stick. They got a semitsu octagonal gate, shortened shaft, with a fuckin keyboard number-pad for buttons. We can never be friends, on some Holla at Me 2pac type ish. 98% of these people still suck at fighting games too so all that tomfoolery doesn't get them anywhere.

    IMO the only annoying part is perhaps getting a power source. I admit my viewpoints are biased towards the arcade cab/supergun set ups so finding power is never really an issue. I think I have tracked down most of the Happ and Wico Perfect 360s out there, and there is no going back to cherry switches. I don't see why it wouldn't be the same for JLFs. I got some ascii clones coming in, and will be ordering Flash1s for optimal japanese setups on my cab and supergun. I want my shaft movements to feel like butter no homo. I only found one review on this site, but it didn't really cover very much. I guess I need to collect a bunch of them and install them on all my sticks to see what's up.

  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,381
    Actually I hate the JLF, its only 2nd only to how much I hate Happ/IL joysticks.
    I can't stand these muhfuckas that show up to the crib/tournament and bitch about the setups because they are used to playing on some silly ass bastardization of an arcade stick.
    That why most tournaments is BRING YOUR OWN CONTROLLER.
    They got a semitsu octagonal gate, shortened shaft, with a fuckin keyboard number-pad for buttons
    man I want to see that stick, sounds cool. Seimitsu joysticks are my 2nd choice.
    Look, I am all about standardization
    Then why sweat over optical boards, stick to a stock JLF.
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  • energizerfellowenergizerfellow Joined: Posts: 79
    Darksakul wrote: »
    Seimitsu joysticks are my 2nd choice.
    So what's your first choice?
  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,231
    Darksakul wrote: »
    Actually I hate the JLF, its only 2nd only to how much I hate Happ/IL joysticks.
    I can't stand these muhfuckas that show up to the crib/tournament and bitch about the setups because they are used to playing on some silly ass bastardization of an arcade stick.
    That why most tournaments is BRING YOUR OWN CONTROLLER.
    They got a semitsu octagonal gate, shortened shaft, with a fuckin keyboard number-pad for buttons
    man I want to see that stick, sounds cool. Seimitsu joysticks are my 2nd choice.
    Look, I am all about standardization
    Then why sweat over optical boards, stick to a stock JLF.

    - That's all good I'm just saying I prefer to play on what most would consider the original equipment/controls.

    - If you go to evo we can walk around and find these abominations.

    - We in the optical thread son. Your list of pros explains why, and I am all about silky smooth inputs. If the option is available there really aren't many strong arguments against the upgrade.

  • jrronimojrronimo Joined: Posts: 106
    armi0024 wrote: »
    We are planning on adding the Flash to the store, if people want a us source

    I've been pondering picking one up; this would definitely help matters!
  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,231
    So I built a new controller for my supergun. I needed a Japanese set up, so I gutted a T5 HRAP and slapped in a Flash1 pcb in my JLF. Will post a pic soon, but right off the bat this thing is butter. It is kind of weird not having to hear the switches click, but in the heat of battle you won't even notice it. IMO this pcb is better off paired with a stiffer spring. I installed a 3 lb spring from Paradise Arcade. I spent so much time collecting Happ optical sticks/parts that I over looked my japanese set ups. This is a fantastic upgrade.

  • Feargus001100Feargus001100 Joined: Posts: 989
    edited January 2015
    Hey Guys,

    Not really sure what these are, but saw only four primary wires, so I rolled the dice, and picked them up:

    RARE%20SNK%20OPTICAL%20ROTARY%20JOYSTICKS%20LS-30%20LS-40%20HARNESS%20NOS%20PARTS%20FOOTBALL%20TOPS_001.jpg

    RARE%20SNK%20OPTICAL%20ROTARY%20JOYSTICKS%20LS-30%20LS-40%20HARNESS%20NOS%20PARTS%20FOOTBALL%20TOPS_003.jpg

    RARE%20SNK%20OPTICAL%20ROTARY%20JOYSTICKS%20LS-30%20LS-40%20HARNESS%20NOS%20PARTS%20FOOTBALL%20TOPS_002.jpg

    Hopefully they'll be viable as 8-way joysticks (fingers crossed) o:)

    Seller details them as:
    "...
    RARE SNK OPTICAL ROTARY JOYSTICKS LS-30 LS-40 HARNESS NOS PARTS FOOTBALL TOPS
    • Very rare optical joysticks.
    • Complete with exceedingly rare football tops and cap wrench.
    • One of the tops and two of round plastic sleeves are NOS.
    • One button is included from the kit which was a Touchdown fever game.
    • The octagon and round shaped tops will work on these joysticks also.
    ..."
    Post edited by Feargus001100 on
    #MAS_Preservation_Society
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,381
    edited January 2015
    Hey Guys,

    Not really sure what these are, but saw only four primary wires, so I rolled the dice, and picked them up:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/toyl8xbt1iy6eob/RARE SNK OPTICAL ROTARY JOYSTICKS LS-30 LS-40 HARNESS NOS PARTS FOOTBALL TOPS_001.jpg

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/qi36k2i8uhyx2mt/RARE SNK OPTICAL ROTARY JOYSTICKS LS-30 LS-40 HARNESS NOS PARTS FOOTBALL TOPS_003.jpg

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/l7t829cwjohmy50/RARE SNK OPTICAL ROTARY JOYSTICKS LS-30 LS-40 HARNESS NOS PARTS FOOTBALL TOPS_002.jpg

    Hopefully they'll be viable as 8-way joysticks (fingers crossed) o:)

    Seller details them as:
    "...
    RARE SNK OPTICAL ROTARY JOYSTICKS LS-30 LS-40 HARNESS NOS PARTS FOOTBALL TOPS
    • Very rare optical joysticks.
    • Complete with exceedingly rare football tops and cap wrench.
    • One of the tops and two of round plastic sleeves are NOS.
    • One button is included from the kit which was a Touchdown fever game.
    • The octagon and round shaped tops will work on these joysticks also.
    ..."
    It looks like a variation of the LS-30 Joysticks that Ikari Warriors Arcade cab uses.
    I believe it is a Seimitsu stick where the nob doubles as a radial encoder.
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  • eczangiefeczangief GOD OF 1-HANDED ROM Joined: Posts: 1,877
    edited January 2015
    YO!!!! Those are for rotary stick games... good luck playing fighters with it. They ride like 18 wheelers.

    The 4-pin harness is for the rotary encoder. The joystick directions wire up directly to the micro-switches (mechanical).

    If you wind up selling them, lemme know, I was sort of deliberating over making the guy an offer.

    I can't believe I'm Magnetro.
  • FattyWinnarzFattyWinnarz Joined: Posts: 328
    Really quick question, would the PCB of the Gamefinger Optical setup for a JLF follow the typical rule of thumb for dual mods where all PCB's need to be connected to each other's ground and VCC? For example if I have an Xbone and a 360 PCB in the stick, the directional lines would connect to both PCB's and the ground and VCC as well, rather than just connecting it to the PCB ground and VCC that it's closest to?
  • Rubidoux28stRubidoux28st Joined: Posts: 10
    It's does not work for Xbox one or ps4
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,381
    It's does not work for Xbox one or ps4
    What does not work with the PS4 or Xbone?
    Really quick question, would the PCB of the Gamefinger Optical setup for a JLF follow the typical rule of thumb for dual mods where all PCB's need to be connected to each other's ground and VCC? For example if I have an Xbone and a 360 PCB in the stick, the directional lines would connect to both PCB's and the ground and VCC as well, rather than just connecting it to the PCB ground and VCC that it's closest to?
    Well assuming the other grounds and VCC and directionalas are already wired for the PCBs, you only have to connect to 1 VCC and Gnd point and only one of the directionals as everything would be connected in chain.
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  • dublo7dublo7 Joined: Posts: 205
    edited October 2016
    Hello everyone. Just a question for those that know a bit about perfect 360s sticks. I favour these no corner / optical sticks, and prefer the bat top. Im pretty sure I could handle a ball-top optical stick – does that even exist? Is it that particularly hard to get as a custom stick? Im in the Toronto area and desperate to get one made to start playing again. And lastly what stick is most similar to a p360? Happ ultimate or Happ competition?
    thanks again!
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  • sasquachsasquach MvC2 making a comeback 2017? Joined: Posts: 368
    dublo7 wrote: »
    Hello everyone. Just a question for those that know a bit about perfect 360s sticks. I favour these no corner / optical sticks, and prefer the bat top. Im pretty sure I could handle a ball-top optical stick – does that even exist? Is it that particularly hard to get as a custom stick? Im in the Toronto area and desperate to get one made to start playing again. And lastly what stick is most similar to a p360? Happ ultimate or Happ competition?
    thanks again!

    Umm, I have used a Happ/Wico P360 before for a few hours on MvC2 and there are no aftermarket replacement for those optical joysticks, tho even tho I'm not really much of an American joystick guy, I still did enjoy it to some extent, but the lack of corners killed me in the end). Neither of those joysticks are even similar to the P360 imo, the P360 is stiffer is one thing and the other is that the P360 uses no microswitches at all whereas the other two joysticks you mentioned do, so performance wise they are nothing alike. To answer the question on which joystick is better, Happ Competition is by far, but the iL Eurostick is far better than either and it's literally the Happ Competition with a higher build quality, and even then, a Japanese joystick by design is just flat out better imo in terms of overall quality and accuracy, but we're not discussing that. Is it hard to get a custom stick? I'm not in Torronto, but there are some aftermarket options I think, but none of those really made are for the old school American parts, but you can also try building one out of wood which would be effective and slagcoin.com does have some diagrams on how you would construct the stick.

    Really the main options for optical joysticks at this point are: SparkCE, Gamerfinger's Flash 1 Clone (out of stock tho, so you may not find one of these, but the SparkCE is better anyways), and the Hori Hayabusa Optical, I may have missed a few, but I won't count the ones that are our of production/hard to find. Haven't tried the Hori one in game, so can't say anything about it, but I did try the original Flash1, along with Gamerfinger's version of it, as well and I really liked it. What would help tho to make the joysticks "feel" more like a P360 (not really, but feel more comfortable to you or easily adjustable) I guess is a stiff spring like 3 or 4lb (4 is overkill imo, but I'm a weak kid) into the Hayabusa or JLF's optical stick and throwing in a teardrop battop (similar to the Competition/iL battops) like that ones Paradise Arcade Shop has. You can also throw in a circle gate if you want to try that for that cornerless feel. But even after all these additions, it will still feel like a different joystick and the performance will be different as well, but on the brightside, the SparkCE has adjustable sensitivity which should let you pick your perfect sensitivity and tension is easily replaceable just by switching the springs.

    IMO if you really love the P360, then just try to hunt for one if you can whether on the trading outlet or on the MvC2 Facebook group, it'll be worth it if you really love it. Otherwise the iL Eurostick may be your best choice for an American joystick (technically it is Spanish tho so I dunno why I keep calling it American...). Well hope this helped.
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  • dublo7dublo7 Joined: Posts: 205
    That helps a lot, Sasquach. My research has lead me to the IL Eurostick as the most easily available, most similar to a p360. I've played on all sort of sticks Japanese and American, so it looks like that is my best bet. Im used to the stiff spring too on the p360. cool idea with the circle gate....I don't think I've tried that. I have commissioned a local stick builder but did no t know getting a p360 would be so difficult. Guess I should really hang on to my old MAS sticks!
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  • dublo7dublo7 Joined: Posts: 205
    Hmm... the Hori Hayabusa looks really intriguing.... I wonder if I could put a bat top on that?
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  • sasquachsasquach MvC2 making a comeback 2017? Joined: Posts: 368
    dublo7 wrote: »
    Hmm... the Hori Hayabusa looks really intriguing.... I wonder if I could put a bat top on that?

    Yea you easily can if you grab a battop adapter with it and an aftermarket battop with it. You can add that circle gate to it from the JLF if you add Paradise's HUGS gate system to it. Again, dunno how well it'd work, but tou can try it I guess.
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