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  • anzharanzhar five times Joined: Posts: 994
    i got a stock og vlx thats wiresless with toodls axis adapter, what would be the easiest way to get 5v from my sixaxis pcb?

    i want to swap the tpma for an ascii optical
  • StrtFghtrMstrStrtFghtrMstr SRnk1VaBeachAlphaTeam Joined: Posts: 534 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    anzhar wrote: »
    i got a stock og vlx thats wiresless with toodls axis adapter, what would be the easiest way to get 5v from my sixaxis pcb?

    i want to swap the tpma for an ascii optical

    •So that pcb runs off 3.5V battery. Your 5V optical pcb cold work wired to the pcb's battery. You'll have shorter battery life.
    •Now you could leave the stick wired and wire into the micro usb for your 5V you just couldn't play wirelessly
    •Introduce your own secondary power source with a 5v/6v rechargeable battery.
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  • anzharanzhar five times Joined: Posts: 994
    anzhar wrote: »
    i got a stock og vlx thats wiresless with toodls axis adapter, what would be the easiest way to get 5v from my sixaxis pcb?

    i want to swap the tpma for an ascii optical

    •So that pcb runs off 3.5V battery. Your 5V optical pcb cold work wired to the pcb's battery. You'll have shorter battery life.
    •Now you could leave the stick wired and wire into the micro usb for your 5V you just couldn't play wirelessly
    •Introduce your own secondary power source with a 5v/6v rechargeable battery.

    got a pic of where the pcb gives 5v from??
  • StrtFghtrMstrStrtFghtrMstr SRnk1VaBeachAlphaTeam Joined: Posts: 534 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
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    Measure for that 5V underneath the pcb as pictured here with has the USB plugged in.
    Just a veteran player enjoying competitive SFV & the CPT
    -Kaillera veteran (GodWeapon Anti3d)
    -SFA3 Replay Tournament Champion (21-0)
    -Sticks & Setups currently owned
    -Namco w/HFC/SilentKuros/SilentHayabusa-Zippys
    -Namco stock
    -VLX 360 w/JLF+Silent Zippy&uSW mod/OBS-MX Reds+Silent O-Rings/Qanba/Seimetsu/PCBs360VX+HFC4, Jansen x5 19MM Turbo Panel
    -VLX 360 Stock
    -TE-S Six-Axis PCB w/ShinJN adapter
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  • DirrtyPopDirrtyPop Joined: Posts: 204
    Does any place still sell the toodles spark? Or anyone have one for sale?
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,366
    DirrtyPop wrote: »
    Does any place still sell the toodles spark? Or anyone have one for sale?

    No stores has it.
    As for individuals willing to sell theirs? Try the Trading Post.
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  • DirrtyPopDirrtyPop Joined: Posts: 204
    I have, no luck yet =[
  • fifty8mmfifty8mm Patines Americanos Joined: Posts: 434
    So my Flash is buggy. The "up" input does not register as well as it should and diagonal "up-left" and "up-right" have to be pushed really hard and deep.
    I checked a ascii optical and it worked flawlessly on the same stick.

    Could the led position be a problem?
  • johnnybsbarjohnnybsbar Joined: Posts: 51
    fifty8mm wrote: »
    So my Flash is buggy. The "up" input does not register as well as it should and diagonal "up-left" and "up-right" have to be pushed really hard and deep.
    I checked a ascii optical and it worked flawlessly on the same stick.

    Could the led position be a problem?

    yo mine too, so i took it out a while ago, but i should test it again, did you find a fix?
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  • fifty8mmfifty8mm Patines Americanos Joined: Posts: 434
    fifty8mm wrote: »
    So my Flash is buggy. The "up" input does not register as well as it should and diagonal "up-left" and "up-right" have to be pushed really hard and deep.
    I checked a ascii optical and it worked flawlessly on the same stick.

    Could the led position be a problem?

    yo mine too, so i took it out a while ago, but i should test it again, did you find a fix?

    Its a crooked IR led. Make sure you know which one is the one that is crooked. Pm me if you do not know how to find the crooked IR led.
    But be so fucking careful trying to move it cause you will kill it if you are not.

    I still can not find the proper infra red to replace the one that burned out on me. Bummer too.
  • johnnybsbarjohnnybsbar Joined: Posts: 51
    edited April 28
    fifty8mm wrote: »
    fifty8mm wrote: »
    So my Flash is buggy. The "up" input does not register as well as it should and diagonal "up-left" and "up-right" have to be pushed really hard and deep.
    I checked a ascii optical and it worked flawlessly on the same stick.

    Could the led position be a problem?

    yo mine too, so i took it out a while ago, but i should test it again, did you find a fix?

    Its a crooked IR led. Make sure you know which one is the one that is crooked. Pm me if you do not know how to find the crooked IR led.
    But be so fucking careful trying to move it cause you will kill it if you are not.

    I still can not find the proper infra red to replace the one that burned out on me. Bummer too.

    oh word?!

    ill check that makes sense!

    edit

    2 were a lil off, gently bent them back, will test but i just picked up a hori vewlix ps4 i tried putting it there but not sure what to do with the power red single cable?
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  • SkarreSkarre Joined: Posts: 20
    edited May 4
    Optical sticks seem to have a pretty much all out high praise in terms of accuracy and smoothness, but I was wondering if anyone's tried them and still chosen to use regular microswitches with fighting games?
    Post edited by Skarre on
  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,228
    Skarre wrote: »
    Optical sticks seem to have a pretty much all out high praise in terms of accuracy and smoothness, but I was wondering if anyone's tried them and still chosen to use regular microswitches with fighting games?

    My Japanese cabs all have regular sticks. I prefer optical sticks, but will admit that they do feel different. Not a lot, but I think if you aren't used to playing on them it would be an issue. My travel sticks all have regular sanwas. If it is an MvC2 set up, I use all P360 sticks. I guess it just depends. Nowadays I am happy just to have a few people over to game. Standardized controls keeps everyone happy.

  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 1,178
    The audible (and sometimes tactile) clicks on snap-action microswitches found in most standard joysticks help to establish a rhythm during play that cannot be replicated through use of optical sensor or "silent" Reed switch-based joysticks. That said, you can get used to anything with enough practice (aka getting bodied).
  • johnnybsbarjohnnybsbar Joined: Posts: 51
    Skarre wrote: »
    Optical sticks seem to have a pretty much all out high praise in terms of accuracy and smoothness, but I was wondering if anyone's tried them and still chosen to use regular microswitches with fighting games?

    My Japanese cabs all have regular sticks. I prefer optical sticks, but will admit that they do feel different. Not a lot, but I think if you aren't used to playing on them it would be an issue. My travel sticks all have regular sanwas. If it is an MvC2 set up, I use all P360 sticks. I guess it just depends. Nowadays I am happy just to have a few people over to game. Standardized controls keeps everyone happy.

    ikr i had some friends play on a few before and they was tripping man!
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  • SkarreSkarre Joined: Posts: 20
    Thanks @Pablo_the_Mex & @jopamo, that's what I was thinking of. I guess in the end it's just about comfortability and preference.
  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,228
    Considering optical sticks are high-end and sometimes hard to come by, I would not feel too bad if you can't track any of them down. I think it only makes a difference for American style arcade controls, specifically MvC2. That is probably the only group out there searching for them on a regular basis. These new pcbs out there make it easy to power Perfect 360s with a dedicated 5v.

  • AgiezeAgieze Joined: Posts: 303
    edited May 6
    @DirrtyPop
    Just google "toodles spark CE" and voila you have a store selling it, it's supposedly in stock. CE is a revised spark, it has a sensitivity adjust via trimpot , it's the equivalent of adjusting the "engage" of an array of 4 snap microswitches.

    @Pablo_the_Mex
    there's nothing high end about them, they're simple photo interrupter circuits and they don't even self compensate but it's true they're getting very hard to find these days.

    @jopamo it's no substitute for the particular feel associated with snap switches, but an optical pcb + octogate can give a player a hint of what directions he's hitting , the price to pay is to ride the gate often . Guessing in the dark and relying 100% on muscle memory ( and a lot of training) would be to play with a pure circular restrictor + optical pcb, a real challenge. The feel gets closer to an analog stick.
  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 1,178
    Sorry @Agieze , but you lost me at "octogate."

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  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,644
    edited May 6
    sanwa shipped original FLASH1's kits with octogates

    it was an intended option for flash1's due to this lack of feeback on directions you are "hitting"

    http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt2/meus/IMG_1266.jpg
  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 1,178
    Insightful. Still not a fan :tongue:
  • ?AC?AC Joined: Posts: 95 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    thinking of buying a wico p360 but , does anyone know how this can hook up with a ps1 / ps2 pcb or anything ps1 ps2
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,366
    ?AC wrote: »
    thinking of buying a wico p360 but , does anyone know how this can hook up with a ps1 / ps2 pcb or anything ps1 ps2

    You need a DC to DC converter to step the voltage from +3 volts up to +5 volts.
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  • ?AC?AC Joined: Posts: 95 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    oh right do you know which one of these people used back in the day ?
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,366
    ?AC wrote: »
    oh right do you know which one of these people used back in the day ?

    No I don't. It was something from a older Toodles Spark thread, optical JLF board that used 5 volts and there issues using it with the PlayStation 1 and 2 as they give controllers only 3.5 volts.
    There a 7 volt line but that only used for rubble and certain other unique functions.
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  • KensumitsuKensumitsu The lurker Joined: Posts: 26
    Skarre wrote: »
    Optical sticks seem to have a pretty much all out high praise in terms of accuracy and smoothness, but I was wondering if anyone's tried them and still chosen to use regular microswitches with fighting games?

    I used to have an optical in my jlf, but I switched to silent jlf switches. Just as smooth imo, but not as accurate.
  • UnsafeUnsafe Joined: Posts: 62
    Hey I'm kind of reverse engineering an old Perfect 360 pwb and from what I can tell besides the obvious 4 sets of IR transmitters/photo-detecters (guessing 930 nm) I see 4 bias resistors and what appears to be one of them old school 74 series chips (I'm guessing an inverting schmitt trigger cause putting schmittys in for debounce is always a good idea).

    What I'm trying to understand is does this joystick work in reverse logic? The chip is an inverter so that would mean the the optical switch must always been on and the moving the joystick/actuator/light blocker "switches" the directions off (which is inverted by the chip). Someone with more experience probably knows the right answer or maybe I have a really weird design.
  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    this is the new Magenta, not optical, but hall effect, worth checking out
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  • shortman1243shortman1243 Joined: Posts: 270
    Do anyone have the wiring instruction for the ASCII optical? If so can someone listed it here. Thanks
  • el grecoel greco Lite Dash Joined: Posts: 366
    Any reviews of Hori's Optical? surprised it's not as popular at least on this board
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,366
    el greco wrote: »
    Any reviews of Hori's Optical? surprised it's not as popular at least on this board

    Hori's optical Hayabusa isn't a stand alone joystick where you can just buy it, it only comes in certain models of the Hori Real arcade pro
    Which means you got to gut a Hrap to put the joystick elsewhere.
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  • eyeamg0dlyeyeamg0dly Joined: Posts: 44
    Darksakul wrote: »
    el greco wrote: »
    Any reviews of Hori's Optical? surprised it's not as popular at least on this board

    Hori's optical Hayabusa isn't a stand alone joystick where you can just buy it, it only comes in certain models of the Hori Real arcade pro
    Which means you got to gut a Hrap to put the joystick elsewhere.

    is there a difference between the levers in the sticks and this one https://arcadeshock.com/collections/joysticks/products/hori-hayabusa-silent-optical-joystick ?
  • BolSadguyBolSadguy Toronto Stick Modder Joined: Posts: 1,602
    Those optical Hayabusas (along with the matte buttons) are extracted from HRAPs that ArcadeShock gets in.
  • el grecoel greco Lite Dash Joined: Posts: 366
    eyeamg0dly wrote: »
    Darksakul wrote: »
    el greco wrote: »
    Any reviews of Hori's Optical? surprised it's not as popular at least on this board

    Hori's optical Hayabusa isn't a stand alone joystick where you can just buy it, it only comes in certain models of the Hori Real arcade pro
    Which means you got to gut a Hrap to put the joystick elsewhere.

    is there a difference between the levers in the sticks and this one https://arcadeshock.com/collections/joysticks/products/hori-hayabusa-silent-optical-joystick ?

    No that's why I thought they'd be more popular here seeing is how everyone had a nerd boner for opticals not long ago
  • eyeamg0dlyeyeamg0dly Joined: Posts: 44
    ive been thinking about getting one, but im kind of more interested in the magenta.
  • OpticalleverOpticallever Joined: Posts: 3
    My Hori Hayabusa Optical Joystick is randomly giving me error inputs during the dragon punch motion. I get up towards causing my character to jump, during the jump the dp input comes out cleanly. I opened it up and blew compressed air over the pcb of the joystick and the problem remains. The error input only happens during the dp motion. It started this month and I've never jump by moving forward or backward. I've took apart the joystick and checked for dust and it's clean. What could be causing this?

    -I didn't install the joystick it came with my Hori RAP V silent.
    -The error input happens randomly I can't make it happen at will
    -I have inputs turned on in training mode so I can see the unwanted input.
    -I've owned the arcade stick for 11 months
    -I've never gotten the jump error during the dp motion in the past.
    -I use a three finger grip. My diagonal jumps are done with my thumb from the bottom of the balltop.
  • anzharanzhar five times Joined: Posts: 994
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    I don't think I can exchange it, the matte finish on the buttons is completely gone. I think arcadeshock would exchange if it were under the 90 day warranty. I've had it for almost a year so I'm think the answer from arcadeshock would be a no.
  • eyeamg0dlyeyeamg0dly Joined: Posts: 44
    I don't think I can exchange it, the matte finish on the buttons is completely gone. I think arcadeshock would exchange if it were under the 90 day warranty. I've had it for almost a year so I'm think the answer from arcadeshock would be a no.

    try contacting hori and inquire about the warranty on their products. im sure they have some sort of rma like process for faulty devices.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,366
    eyeamg0dly wrote: »
    I don't think I can exchange it, the matte finish on the buttons is completely gone. I think arcadeshock would exchange if it were under the 90 day warranty. I've had it for almost a year so I'm think the answer from arcadeshock would be a no.

    try contacting hori and inquire about the warranty on their products. im sure they have some sort of rma like process for faulty devices.

    Depending on how the Hori Joystick is sold, there might not be a manufacturers warranty.
    Is the joystick it self sold OEM proper from Hori themselves via authorized distributor, or did someone guy the joystick out of a controller and then sold the Joystick.
    If it's the latter, you can forget it Hori does not even have to recognize that is even a sale of their own product.

    If we're talking the Optical Joystick, Hori isn't going to do a thing. Hori themselves never sold standalone OEM Optical Hayabusa joysticks.
    Hori will see it as their Liability ended when someone decided to pull the optical joystick out of a controller and decide to resell it.
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