Undamned's USB Decoders (USB to JAMMA, etc.) !

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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,686
    Those are super great! :D
    -ud
  • MagusMagus Joined: Posts: 12
    Hmmm. Can we simply connect a specific cable to that DB-15 output to have, say, PS1/PS2 support, or is an additional controller PCB (for the target platform) absolutely necessary?
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,361
    Magus wrote: »
    Hmmm. Can we simply connect a specific cable to that DB-15 output to have, say, PS1/PS2 support, or is an additional controller PCB (for the target platform) absolutely necessary?

    You have to wire the Undammed Decoder to a PS1/PS2 PCB.

    I done the same with a SNES controller and used a Xbox 360 game pad on a SNES playing Super Mario World.
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  • FreedomGundamFreedomGundam Freedom, ikimasu! Joined: Posts: 2,495
    Magus wrote: »
    Hmmm. Can we simply connect a specific cable to that DB-15 output to have, say, PS1/PS2 support, or is an additional controller PCB (for the target platform) absolutely necessary?

    As Darksakul said, you need to connect it to a PCB of the target system.

    You have to remember what the UD-USB actually does: it takes a PS3/X360 USB signal, and breaks it down into individual U/D/L/R/Sq/Tri/Cir/X/R1/R2/L1/L2/Sl/St/H signals. Without another PCB to re-encode those individual signals BACK into a console-specific format (PS1/PS2 in your case), you wouldn't be able to do anything with them.

    The only platforms that would be able to use those signals natively are the Neo-Geo and most arcade/Supergun setups.
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  • MagusMagus Joined: Posts: 12
    Would you suggest a case/box suitable for placing the decoder and, say, a PS360+? I'd like to have something reasonably portable and not very prone to accidents... Two boards connected by wires hanging around strike me as vulnerable and difficult to move around safely. o.o
    PS: I did see those LEGO cases by UNW4NT3D. :P

    Thanks!
  • FreedomGundamFreedomGundam Freedom, ikimasu! Joined: Posts: 2,495
    Magus wrote: »
    Would you suggest a case/box suitable for placing the decoder and, say, a PS360+? I'd like to have something reasonably portable and not very prone to accidents... Two boards connected by wires hanging around strike me as vulnerable and difficult to move around safely. o.o
    PS: I did see those LEGO cases by UNW4NT3D. :P

    Thanks!
    Totally recommend some sort of project box or case for your PCBs. You don't want to keep bare PCBs in the open in the danger of dirt, liquids, static electricity, etc.
    Current at-home stick: Hori VLX Kuro (LS-40-01 + PS-14-K)
    Current portable stick: Mad Catz TvC (LS-40-01 + PS-14-KN)
    Current guest-sticks: custom ABS Modular stick (JLF + OBSN-30), custom Saint-stick (Happ/IL Competition)
    Cabinet: custom "Resistor" cabinet (32" LCD, X360, P1=LS-32-01 + PS-14-KN, P2=JLF + OBSC-30)
    Previous sticks: custom Happ CvS2 Double-sticks, custom Happ Hitomi-stick & Xenosaga-stick, custom Sanwa/Seimitsu Neptune-stick and Sylvia-stick, modded Mad Catz TvC, modded Mad Catz Brawlstick, modded Hori FSVX, modded Exar Exaprize

    Looking for:
    CPS2 (green or blue): Hyper SF2
    Naomi GD-ROM: SF Zero3 Upper, Puyo Puyo Fever, Triggerheart Excelica, Ikaruga
  • UNW4NT3DUNW4NT3D Joined: Posts: 417
    Your best bet is UDUSB to MC Cthulhu to RJ45 then you have a USB to almost anything converter!
  • energizerfellowenergizerfellow Joined: Posts: 79
    I mentioned to Undamned in another thread, but I agree that a purpose-built DIY enclosure kit built around the UD-USB+PS360 combo would sell a lot of units. You'd basically end up with something that looks like a small laptop power brick with RJ45 on one end and USB on the other. At the end of the day it what a lot of people want I think.
  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,686
    edited January 2015
    UNW4NT3D wrote: »
    Your best bet is UDUSB to MC Cthulhu to RJ45 then you have a USB to almost anything converter!
    I mentioned to Undamned in another thread, but I agree that a purpose-built DIY enclosure kit built around the UD-USB+PS360 combo would sell a lot of units. You'd basically end up with something that looks like a small laptop power brick with RJ45 on one end and USB on the other. At the end of the day it what a lot of people want I think.
    The important caveat to remember is that USB needs 5V to function properly. As discussed in the other thread, unless there is 5V available on that RJ45 jack, you will need some sort of auxiliary power coming in (whether it be 5V from a Playstation 2 USB jack or something else).

    - EDIT -

    For non-RJ45 setups (such as a dedicated PS3/X360 to PS1/2 converter), you have more wires available to you, including the power wire that runs the rumble motors in your gamepads. You can us a small voltage regulator (7805 or similar) to drop that down to a usable 5V.
    -ud

  • HokutoHokuto Eat it raw Joined: Posts: 16
    @undamned‌, I finally got around testing your DB-15 decoders and they work great with my Qanba Q4 (as expected, had no trouble at all at EVO). However, I'm also trying to use a Dreamcast stick with a Trio Linker Plus II converter, and a Namco stick with a PIII A01 converter and neither of them work. Any chance for checking/adding support for these two? Thanks!
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  • erhanpurpleerhanpurple Joined: Posts: 12
    I wonder if anyone tried this with Ps3 Logitech Cordless Precision Controllers? it is wireless with usb dongle.
  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,686
    Hokuto wrote: »
    @undamned‌, I finally got around testing your DB-15 decoders and they work great with my Qanba Q4 (as expected, had no trouble at all at EVO). However, I'm also trying to use a Dreamcast stick with a Trio Linker Plus II converter, and a Namco stick with a PIII A01 converter and neither of them work. Any chance for checking/adding support for these two? Thanks!
    Wow, I've never even heard of those, lol. I've got more support to add for some other sticks/controllers before I get to converters, but I'm not opposed to looking into it :D
    I wonder if anyone tried this with Ps3 Logitech Cordless Precision Controllers? it is wireless with usb dongle.
    I've not used that particular wireless controller, but I've tested with a wireless Madcatz pad/dongle and that worked fine.
    -ud
  • Pablo_the_MexPablo_the_Mex Blond Kanye Status Joined: Posts: 8,225
    Pez_Man wrote: »
    if anyone was wondering you can use the pelican ps2 to ps3 controller adapter to connect a ps2 controller to the usb decoder. works just fine

    SWEET. I have 3 of these brand new sealed son, please believe. Not much use for a PS3 nowadays, but good to know I can still wire up some sticks with psx PCBs and use them for something like this product. GOOD TO KNOW.

  • FreedomGundamFreedomGundam Freedom, ikimasu! Joined: Posts: 2,495
    Ooooooh. Nice.
    I have a random PSX-->PS3 adapter that basically sat around useless after an earlier PS3 firmware update killed its compatibility. Didn't even occur to me to check if it worked on the UD-USBs. Would be definitely interesting to use it in this context.

    I also have a GameCube-->USB adapter as well somewhere. I should try that thing out too.
    Current at-home stick: Hori VLX Kuro (LS-40-01 + PS-14-K)
    Current portable stick: Mad Catz TvC (LS-40-01 + PS-14-KN)
    Current guest-sticks: custom ABS Modular stick (JLF + OBSN-30), custom Saint-stick (Happ/IL Competition)
    Cabinet: custom "Resistor" cabinet (32" LCD, X360, P1=LS-32-01 + PS-14-KN, P2=JLF + OBSC-30)
    Previous sticks: custom Happ CvS2 Double-sticks, custom Happ Hitomi-stick & Xenosaga-stick, custom Sanwa/Seimitsu Neptune-stick and Sylvia-stick, modded Mad Catz TvC, modded Mad Catz Brawlstick, modded Hori FSVX, modded Exar Exaprize

    Looking for:
    CPS2 (green or blue): Hyper SF2
    Naomi GD-ROM: SF Zero3 Upper, Puyo Puyo Fever, Triggerheart Excelica, Ikaruga
  • FreedomGundamFreedomGundam Freedom, ikimasu! Joined: Posts: 2,495
    ^ I can't possibly "like" that post enough. :)
    Current at-home stick: Hori VLX Kuro (LS-40-01 + PS-14-K)
    Current portable stick: Mad Catz TvC (LS-40-01 + PS-14-KN)
    Current guest-sticks: custom ABS Modular stick (JLF + OBSN-30), custom Saint-stick (Happ/IL Competition)
    Cabinet: custom "Resistor" cabinet (32" LCD, X360, P1=LS-32-01 + PS-14-KN, P2=JLF + OBSC-30)
    Previous sticks: custom Happ CvS2 Double-sticks, custom Happ Hitomi-stick & Xenosaga-stick, custom Sanwa/Seimitsu Neptune-stick and Sylvia-stick, modded Mad Catz TvC, modded Mad Catz Brawlstick, modded Hori FSVX, modded Exar Exaprize

    Looking for:
    CPS2 (green or blue): Hyper SF2
    Naomi GD-ROM: SF Zero3 Upper, Puyo Puyo Fever, Triggerheart Excelica, Ikaruga
  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    HOT
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  • UNW4NT3DUNW4NT3D Joined: Posts: 417
    I need them in my life!
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  • buyproductbuyproduct Chemist for Hire Joined: Posts: 1,035
    edited February 2015
    Is there a list of currently supported ps3/360/usb supported devices that the decoder works with?
    @undamned
    I got one of these and have it set up. But for some reason my decoder only recognizes 360 controls. It does not recognize ps3 controls such as the toodles chtulu, inpin converter or ps360+ booted in ps3 mode. Any idea why and how I can fix this? I think I need to refresh the firmware. But the instructions for doing so are a bit confusing to me.

    @Darksakul I think you mentioned earlier you had trouble updating the firmware. The instructions mention something about a boot loader application and a firmware file. Were do I get these from? Any help would be appreciated.

    Also, what would be the best way to check how much latency is introduced when a convertor is made from one of these?
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,686
    buyproduct wrote: »
    Is there a list of currently supported ps3/360/usb supported devices that the decoder works with?
    Not yet. Still need to put one together.
    buyproduct wrote: »
    I got one of these and have it set up. But for some reason my decoder only recognizes 360 controls. It does not recognize ps3 controls such as the toodles chtulu, inpin converter or ps360+ booted in ps3 mode. Any idea why and how I can fix this?
    I've personally tested both MC Cthulhu and PS360+ in PS3 mode. No idea why it's not working for you. Unless you bought yours from me aeons ago or you bought an old one used from someone else, it's definitely not a result of old firmware. If you do want to try updating it just to cross that off your list of things to try, download one of the manuals (firmware update is same for all) and the firmware/program file here:

    http://udgametech.blogspot.com/p/firmware.html
    buyproduct wrote: »
    Also, what would be the best way to check how much latency is introduced when a convertor is made from one of these?
    There is no simple answer. My converter does its job in about 1ms, but you have to factor in the entire chain:

    Input controller -> UD-USB Decoder -> Encoder PCB (pad hack, whatever)

    I've seen input controllers range from ~1ms to ~14ms. If your encoder PCB is not USB based (Playstation 2, for example), I think the encoding time is probably pretty fast (maybe even negligible).
    -ud
  • buyproductbuyproduct Chemist for Hire Joined: Posts: 1,035
    edited February 2015
    undamned wrote: »
    buyproduct wrote: »
    Is there a list of currently supported ps3/360/usb supported devices that the decoder works with?
    Not yet. Still need to put one together.
    buyproduct wrote: »
    I got one of these and have it set up. But for some reason my decoder only recognizes 360 controls. It does not recognize ps3 controls such as the toodles chtulu, inpin converter or ps360+ booted in ps3 mode. Any idea why and how I can fix this?
    I've personally tested both MC Cthulhu and PS360+ in PS3 mode. No idea why it's not working for you. Unless you bought yours from me aeons ago or you bought an old one used from someone else, it's definitely not a result of old firmware. If you do want to try updating it just to cross that off your list of things to try, download one of the manuals (firmware update is same for all) and the firmware/program file here:

    -ud

    Thanks for your reply. I bought mine recently from paradise arcade. What confuses me is that it does not flash yellow when I plug in an unrecognized controller. I have mine set up to work on xbox one, and have gotten it to work with the Madcatz TE stick, Hori Rap Kai stick, the madcatz pad, etokki converter, official 360 pad, madcatz sfxtekken pad and the Logitech F310 pad set to x input. But nothing so far for ps3 peripherals. The led light does not even flash any colors. I will try the firmware update to cross that off my list. But I have to find a male A to Male A usb cable and a pc, lol. This is a really cool tool. Thank you.

    UPDATE: I messed around with it and got toodles cthulu and ps360+ to work in ps3 mode. Inpin does not work though, guess it is not supported.
    Post edited by buyproduct on
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,686
    buyproduct wrote: »
    UPDATE: I messed around with it and got toodles cthulu and ps360+ to work in ps3 mode.
    Can you share details of how you messed around with it (sorry if that's too personal).
    -ud
  • buyproductbuyproduct Chemist for Hire Joined: Posts: 1,035
    undamned wrote: »
    buyproduct wrote: »
    UPDATE: I messed around with it and got toodles cthulu and ps360+ to work in ps3 mode.
    Can you share details of how you messed around with it (sorry if that's too personal).
    -ud

    I opened up my convertor and made sure the ground an power connections between the decoder and pcb were solid, made sure that the usb header was seated on the board properly and had not been pulled up by stess of plugging in usb cables and lastly pressed the internal latched button inside the convertor that is connected to the test signal to make sure it wasn't stuck and keeping the board activated low when powered. One of those things solved the problem.

    I am still puzzled about the inpin not working since someone mentioned earlier in the thread that there inpin worked with the decoder. Other than that I am loving this thing. I can now use my sticks, hitbox and pads on the PS4 and xbox one. I am thinking of making a video showing these off a bit.
    "weekly 8 on the break tournaments >>> cali majors " skyet
    "Lol, the break is pretty serious when the real players show up, because everyone is a killer! " Dr. Chaos
    8 on the Break weekly thread: http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=194801
  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,686
    Ah, ok. Yeah, no thoughts on the Inpin converter. I haven't put much focus on converters in my drivers, but there are some that I know other people have verified work. Yeah, that would be neat to show other people what you have done with the converters :D
    -ud
  • ShinMagusShinMagus Joined: Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    UNW4NT3D wrote: »
    Your best bet is UDUSB to MC Cthulhu to RJ45 then you have a USB to almost anything converter!

    I would eagerly buy two of something like this ready to use! :P I'm a bit suspicious my PS360+ (the one that lags on the Xbox360) may lag a little on the PS2, so I guess I'd rather try with my luck with the McCthulhu...
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  • PresidentCamachoPresidentCamacho Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Joined: Posts: 3,450
    ShinMagus wrote: »
    UNW4NT3D wrote: »
    Your best bet is UDUSB to MC Cthulhu to RJ45 then you have a USB to almost anything converter!

    I would eagerly buy two of something like this ready to use! :P I'm a bit suspicious my PS360+ (the one that lags on the Xbox360) may lag a little on the PS2, so I guess I'd rather try with my luck with the McCthulhu...

    Keep in mind that the old ps360 performed fantastic on the ps3, there's no good reason to suspect big lag on the ps2.
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,686
    Nice work, @buyproduct !

    The only detail that jumped out at me was this:
    buyproduct wrote: »
    Since the undamned usb decoder and donor pcb will be constant in your chain and can be expected to be about 3 to 6 ms in latency, the biggest contributer to lag will be your input device.
    Since we can't ensure which donor PCB people are using, we can't claim a 3-6ms constant. They could be using a very laggy donor PCB well beyond that range. I just wouldn't want to give anyone the false security that their chain is faster than it actually is. And as I mentioned briefly earlier, in the case of non-USB donor PCBs, the constant would likely be well faster than for USB donors.
    -ud
  • buyproductbuyproduct Chemist for Hire Joined: Posts: 1,035
    undamned wrote: »
    Nice work, @buyproduct !

    The only detail that jumped out at me was this:
    buyproduct wrote: »
    Since the undamned usb decoder and donor pcb will be constant in your chain and can be expected to be about 3 to 6 ms in latency, the biggest contributer to lag will be your input device.
    Since we can't ensure which donor PCB people are using, we can't claim a 3-6ms constant. They could be using a very laggy donor PCB well beyond that range. I just wouldn't want to give anyone the false security that their chain is faster than it actually is. And as I mentioned briefly earlier, in the case of non-USB donor PCBs, the constant would likely be well faster than for USB donors.
    -ud

    Yeah I should edit that part out. I wish I had a precise way of determining the latency. I think though if you are using some of the faster pcbs (chtulu, ps360+ and ps2 etokki), that the front end is defiantly in the 3-5 ms range. I want to say the whole chain with that set up is less than 1 frame, but i would like to find a way of testing it out.
    "weekly 8 on the break tournaments >>> cali majors " skyet
    "Lol, the break is pretty serious when the real players show up, because everyone is a killer! " Dr. Chaos
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  • RagingAvatarRagingAvatar Joined: Posts: 61
    Is there any hope of Xbox One or PS4 arcade stick support from the UD-USB?
  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,686
    Is there any hope of Xbox One or PS4 arcade stick support from the UD-USB?
    Yeah, I'd really like to get to that this year.
    -ud
  • Ghost CobraGhost Cobra Lever Execution Joined: Posts: 338 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    really nice stuff, definitely need 2 db15 Decoders and neo adapters @_@
  • [OCT]Wall-Garants[OCT]Wall-Garants Joined: Posts: 45
    Hello Brian already have an update for controls PS4 and X-ONE ?
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,714
    Hello Brian already have an update for controls PS4 and X-ONE ?
    undamned wrote: »
    Is there any hope of Xbox One or PS4 arcade stick support from the UD-USB?
    Yeah, I'd really like to get to that this year.
    -ud

  • RudeshadowRudeshadow Joined: Posts: 9
    Here's my little project box with the UD USB and a XBone Hori pad:
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  • [OCT]Wall-Garants[OCT]Wall-Garants Joined: Posts: 45
    eltrouble wrote: »
    Hello Brian already have an update for controls PS4 and X-ONE ?
    undamned wrote: »
    Is there any hope of Xbox One or PS4 arcade stick support from the UD-USB?
    Yeah, I'd really like to get to that this year.
    -ud

    Thank eltrouble had not seen this post

  • erhanpurpleerhanpurple Joined: Posts: 12
    edited March 2015
    I'm trying to modify a dual usb port of motherboard 10 pin connector to split and use with my supergun, it seems there are 8 pins on it, such as on this picture. what is the purpose of fifth pin labeled "s" on ud-usb?

    standard-usb-pinout.gif


    (figured out, shielding. what happens if you don't connect?)
  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,686
    I'm trying to modify a dual usb port of motherboard 10 pin connector to split and use with my supergun, it seems there are 8 pins on it, such as on this picture. what is the purpose of fifth pin labeled "s" on ud-usb?

    standard-usb-pinout.gif


    (figured out, shielding. what happens if you don't connect?)
    It should work ok. On paper it's better to have a separate shield, but it's doubtful you will be operating in an obscenely noisy electrical environment.
    -ud
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