What REALLY makes Akuma Broke?

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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,714
    Is that his HDR version? I thought HDR classic Akuma didn't have a super meter?

    If so, THAT'S Sirlin's idea of a balanced Akuma? LOL.
  • papasipapasi N Ken is the truth Joined: Posts: 1,568
    edited August 2013
    One of the many HDR f'up includes giving shin akuma's normals to playable akuma ...
    Ganelon talked about that sometime ago.
    Shin akuma is the one that you played when you get all the perfects etc. He has double air fireballs
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  • RufusRufus An unexpected database error has occurred. Joined: Posts: 1,966
    jedpossum wrote: »
    That is the hdr version.
    But here is ST...

    That standing far jab is pretty absurd. I did look for Akuma hitboxes in the wiki.
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  • Born2SPDBorn2SPD SPD Fanatic Joined: Posts: 276
    Rufus wrote: »
    I did look for Akuma hitboxes in the wiki.

    Still have to work on them... I finally got the time.. but no motivation.
    I keep reading stuff about ST revival, about bringing this game back to life...
    Its nice to see big tourneys happening and old top players giving this game a chance again...
    But what we really need is new players... And having a strong scene obviously helps...
    But in my opinion what will really bring new players to our community is good tutorials/character guides so they can learn easily and have something to start... So, actually good players, stop being selfish and write stuff about the chars you know! The wiki is lacking so much basic content... Stop being lazy and do something about it.
  • RufusRufus An unexpected database error has occurred. Joined: Posts: 1,966
    edited August 2013
    Born2SPD wrote: »
    Still have to work on them... I finally got the time.. but no motivation.

    Been there. That's why HDR Akuma didn't get outlines on my site.
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  • -TheBastard--TheBastard- FAB u LOSE! Joined: Posts: 1,276
    his st mk is insane, as if his dp wasnt broken enough
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,045
    We've had time to learn how to fight against Akuma and fight as Akuma over 19 years. Let's have Akuma unbanned

  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,045
    I just had a good set against akuma and and went 50/50
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,045
    Why not make Akuma unbanned in next ST tournament?
  • Born2SPDBorn2SPD SPD Fanatic Joined: Posts: 276
    Are you serious?
    I keep reading stuff about ST revival, about bringing this game back to life...
    Its nice to see big tourneys happening and old top players giving this game a chance again...
    But what we really need is new players... And having a strong scene obviously helps...
    But in my opinion what will really bring new players to our community is good tutorials/character guides so they can learn easily and have something to start... So, actually good players, stop being selfish and write stuff about the chars you know! The wiki is lacking so much basic content... Stop being lazy and do something about it.
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,045
    Yup
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,045
    So, does anyone know why Akuma was banned in HSF2?
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,045
    I believe that a group of people jumped the gun and banned Akuma prematurely. If people are worried about akuma's dizzy properties in ST then here is the solution: If an akuma player dizzies opponent then he/she does nothing until opponent recovers. Akuma should be unbanned in all HSF2 AE events because there are stronger characters in that game.
  • Born2SPDBorn2SPD SPD Fanatic Joined: Posts: 276
    I think most people don't really care because HSF2 sucks...
    I keep reading stuff about ST revival, about bringing this game back to life...
    Its nice to see big tourneys happening and old top players giving this game a chance again...
    But what we really need is new players... And having a strong scene obviously helps...
    But in my opinion what will really bring new players to our community is good tutorials/character guides so they can learn easily and have something to start... So, actually good players, stop being selfish and write stuff about the chars you know! The wiki is lacking so much basic content... Stop being lazy and do something about it.
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,045
    Born2SPD, what about testing an unbanned Akuma in offline events...
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,714
    Dude. The game's been out for 20 years. Akuma has been tested in every environment and he's broken in every single one. If you're going to troll, at least put some more effort into it.
  • OrochiDemonOrochiDemon Joined: Posts: 1,540
    Desk wrote: »
    ... you can't stun him.

    Ive played Akuma on winkawaks, and Ken dizzies him in the second round. I have screenshots, but cant upload them to here.
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    Desk wrote: »
    ... you can't stun him.

    Ive played Akuma on winkawaks, and Ken dizzies him in the second round. I have screenshots, but cant upload them to here.
    Only to see him recover immediately as soon as he gets on his toes. The only effects of Akuma being dizzied are he taking less damage during a combo due to falling on his back (which can be a big advantage alone, if it was a combo into super or rekkas), and eventually being unable to soften a throw.
  • OrochiDemonOrochiDemon Joined: Posts: 1,540
    UltraDavid when doing commentary always says he cant be dizzied, I guess he should be more specific.
  • fakeakagifakeakagi Joined: Posts: 117
    Well he just falls over, gets back up and has the stars for the split second then recovers immediately.
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,045
    fakeakagi wrote: »
    Well he just falls over, gets back up and has the stars for the split second then recovers immediately.

    Yeah, like the CPU controlled Zangief on hardest level among other CPU controlled characters
  • fakeakagifakeakagi Joined: Posts: 117
    Yeah that fucker reversal spd'd me when I tried to capitalize on his dizzy. Fuck the cpu in that game.
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,045
    edited February 2014
    LOOOOL these videos is funny:




  • OGSFOGSF Joined: Posts: 713
    Ok, dumb question but why isn't Akuma "broke" or banned in other games? Akuma has some BS in other games like Third Strike:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbc9NIiOzBs&feature=player_detailpage#t=121

    Not to mention V-Akuma in A3 for example
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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,187
    Akuma was never meant to be balanced in ST. He was literally a selectable boss character. No one complains about not being able to use Gill in 3s tourneys for the same reason.
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  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    First, Akuma playable and Akuma Boss even in ST are separate characters even then the playable version good enough to beat the cast easily.

    Shit changes from game to game. Animations change which effect hitbox placements and frame data. New mechanics are made as well. Fireball speeds and trajectory get changed.

    Also, Akuma isn't the best character in A3 it's Dhalsim.

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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,714
    OGSF wrote: »
    Ok, dumb question but why isn't Akuma "broke" or banned in other games? Akuma has some BS in other games like Third Strike:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbc9NIiOzBs&feature=player_detailpage#t=121

    Not to mention V-Akuma in A3 for example

    It's not even comparable. He was originally put in as a secret boss character never intended for serious play. It wasn't until Alpha series where they actually toyed with the idea of making him a real character.

    High priority normals, the best angle on an air fireball he's ever received in any version of the game, high damage/stun combos, cannot be stunned, extremely fast and reliable teleport, and every single matchup in the game being at LEAST 7-3 in his favor.

    He's designed as broken, and functions as broken.
  • 7 5 07 5 0 Joined: Posts: 458
    The dark hadou made him overpowered. SF finally got a series done right finally in film.

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn7yl1EnWI4
  • 7 5 07 5 0 Joined: Posts: 458
    OGSF wrote: »
    Ok, dumb question but why isn't Akuma "broke" or banned in other games? Akuma has some BS in other games like Third Strike:

    He's nerfed fairly in 3rd strike. Slow normals, low stun gauge and possibly the lowest stun meter in the game, weak air fireballs, overall a slow character and sometimes predictable to counter. His juggles are insane though.

    Akuma is not even top tier in the game. I played this extensively last decade and I've seen players like Kuroda turn this character into the ultra dark hadou killer OCVing the entire team at Super battle opera tournament years ago.
  • OGSFOGSF Joined: Posts: 713
    Not to mention his Q being Gill tier...
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,045
    Don't know if these videos have been posted or not. But these are 2 of many examples that show how Akuma is overrated. In other words, he should not be S Tier or God Tier or whatever. He is not that good:



  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    So Akuma should be unbanned because of scrubs who cannot reverse at all, miss several opportunities to land damage, don't know how to do Akuma's unblockables, seem not to be aware that Akuma's tatsu is 100% invincible during start-up, spam tatsus for no reason, and reset the game when they lose.
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,187
    Isn't Jodim like the best Gief in the world? Not the best comparison to make your case. Any shoto worth their shit instantly levels up x100 if they get to legally to use Akuma.
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,045
    Yeah but... why don't we give it a try. We can use FightCade to run a test tournament and allow anyone to use Akuma
  • KingfaceKingface UK Super SFII Turbo Player Joined: Posts: 27
    Jion_Wansu wrote: »
    Yeah but... why don't we give it a try. We can use FightCade to run a test tournament and allow anyone to use Akuma

    Yeah, or, we could not.

    Seriously, what would it achieve apart from potentially making competitive ST a lot less fun?
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,714
    It's been 20 years. People aren't wrong about Akuma. But sure, go ahead and run a tourney yourself and watch a hundred Akuma mirrors.
  • 7 5 07 5 0 Joined: Posts: 458
    Wth resetting several times?.. Those videos are worse than visiting a funeral.
    Jion_Wansu wrote: »
    Don't know if these videos have been posted or not. But these are 2 of many examples that show how Akuma is overrated. In other words, he should not be S Tier or God Tier or whatever. He is not that good:




  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,813
    @Jion_Wansu proving he has no idea what he's talking about.

    Using lastscene losing as Akuma to say Akuma isn't broken is akin to saying Ivan Ooze isn't broken in MMPR because you gave the controller to a random retarded kid in a grocery store and he lost to somebody play Lip Syncer.
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