Dualshock 4 banned at EVO 2016

CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
http://evo.shoryuken.com/additional-rules/

Last year it stated the dualshock 4 can be used but that it had to be left with the pool station.


Now, that line is removed, all paired wireless controllers banned. That includes the dualshock 4.


Bad for MKX players.
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  • Jack_FrostJack_Frost M.C Joined: Posts: 6,824
    LOL
    There aren't 50 hours in a 5 day span...
    CRYING
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    looks like pad players for mkx, guilty gear, and sfv are going to need to invest in one of those new madcatz pads
  • FengShuiEnergyFengShuiEnergy Serving my robot overlords <3 Joined: Posts: 12,136
    Well...count me out then.
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    Well...count me out then.

    you would have to get a hor or madcatz pad, those are the only two non converter wired pads in existence
  • MrWizardMrWizard Supreme Commander Joined: Posts: 22,135 admin
    Wireless controllers have always been banned at Evo, with the exception of last year because of all the new consoles.

    Now there are actually options for pad players and we hope that players take advantage of them.
    Shoryuken.com
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    Thank you MR. Wizard for your response.
  • ZeroX03ZeroX03 Joined: Posts: 409
    MrWizard wrote: »
    Wireless controllers have always been banned at Evo, with the exception of last year because of all the new consoles.

    Now there are actually options for pad players and we hope that players take advantage of them.

    So we cannot even take out the batteries from our Dualshock 4 controllers? What?
  • ThisaraidThisaraid RavetotheGrave Joined: Posts: 50
    Nothing in the article says you can't use Dualshock 4 controllers.
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    As far as i know the ds4 does not work as a wired pad, only as a bluetooth pad, even when it is powered by USB only.
  • ZeroX03ZeroX03 Joined: Posts: 409
    Thisaraid wrote: »
    Nothing in the article says you can't use Dualshock 4 controllers.

    "All wireless controllers are banned."

    Dualshock 4 controllers fall under this rule.
  • ZeroX03ZeroX03 Joined: Posts: 409
    As far as i know the ds4 does not work as a wired pad, only as a bluetooth pad, even when it is powered by USB only.

    Removing the battery however makes it a pure wired controller. Implement this rule and you're good to go. I hope we have some clarification regarding this matter.
  • ThisaraidThisaraid RavetotheGrave Joined: Posts: 50
    ZeroX03 wrote: »
    Thisaraid wrote: »
    Nothing in the article says you can't use Dualshock 4 controllers.

    "All wireless controllers are banned."

    Dualshock 4 controllers fall under this rule.

    Then why does it say you can use the Xbox1 controller?
    You can remove the battery from the Dualshock 4 controller
    just like the Xbox1 controller and it will work fine
  • mikemetroidmikemetroid TYM Mod Joined: Posts: 23
    MrWizard wrote: »
    Wireless controllers have always been banned at Evo, with the exception of last year because of all the new consoles.

    Now there are actually options for pad players and we hope that players take advantage of them.
    There is no accepted alternative for a DS4 pad in the MKX community.

    This should be reconsidered and instead the desync rule should be applied.

    Players who come onto a setup are responsible for removing the previous controllers from a setup.
    If they do not know how, the judges should show them.

    It has been proven that this prevents pauses from games, and if a pause actually happens the judge
    must enforce that the players are forced to either continue without replaying or restart the round/match.
    it is 100% the players fault(not previous players). This is not a complicated process. Both DOA and MKX
    practice this method. It is less of a headache for the masses.
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    Thisaraid wrote: »
    ZeroX03 wrote: »
    Thisaraid wrote: »
    Nothing in the article says you can't use Dualshock 4 controllers.

    "All wireless controllers are banned."

    Dualshock 4 controllers fall under this rule.

    Then why does it say you can use the Xbox1 controller?
    You can remove the battery from the Dualshock 4 controller
    just like the Xbox1 controller and it will work fine

    this is not true, the xbox one controller works while wired through the usb chord.

    The Ds4 does not.

    The ds4 uses the usb chord to power the bluetooth signal which pairs with the system. So it is never wired.
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    MrWizard wrote: »
    Wireless controllers have always been banned at Evo, with the exception of last year because of all the new consoles.

    Now there are actually options for pad players and we hope that players take advantage of them.
    There is no accepted alternative for a DS4 pad in the MKX community.

    This should be reconsidered and instead the desync rule should be applied.

    Players who come onto a setup are responsible for removing the previous controllers from a setup.
    If they do not know how, the judges should show them.

    It has been proven that this prevents pauses from games, and if a pause actually happens the judge
    must enforce that the players are forced to either continue without replaying or restart the round/match.
    it is 100% the players fault(not previous players). This is not a complicated process. Both DOA and MKX
    practice this method. It is less of a headache for the masses.

    hor or madcatz make wired pads
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    ZeroX03 wrote: »
    As far as i know the ds4 does not work as a wired pad, only as a bluetooth pad, even when it is powered by USB only.

    Removing the battery however makes it a pure wired controller. Implement this rule and you're good to go. I hope we have some clarification regarding this matter.

    see my above post. It is not a pure wired controller, it is a bluetooth controller even with the battery removed.
  • mikemetroidmikemetroid TYM Mod Joined: Posts: 23
    MrWizard wrote: »
    Wireless controllers have always been banned at Evo, with the exception of last year because of all the new consoles.

    Now there are actually options for pad players and we hope that players take advantage of them.
    There is no accepted alternative for a DS4 pad in the MKX community.

    This should be reconsidered and instead the desync rule should be applied.

    Players who come onto a setup are responsible for removing the previous controllers from a setup.
    If they do not know how, the judges should show them.

    It has been proven that this prevents pauses from games, and if a pause actually happens the judge
    must enforce that the players are forced to either continue without replaying or restart the round/match.
    it is 100% the players fault(not previous players). This is not a complicated process. Both DOA and MKX
    practice this method. It is less of a headache for the masses.

    hor or madcatz make wired pads

    The pads are much different than the DS4 pads, not widely accepted within pad communities and are an extra expense for only one tournament.
  • aszydaszyd Joined: Posts: 505
    ZeroX03 wrote: »
    So we cannot even take out the batteries from our Dualshock 4 controllers? What?

    I'm not sure if you are just trolling, but...

    The DS4 does not power on with the battery removed while plugged into the system via USB. Someone may be able to design some hardware to bypass this problem, but it hasn't been done yet. There are a few other problems related to managing a tournament and a controller that does not give easy access to it's battery compartment, but I won't go into those.
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    MrWizard wrote: »
    Wireless controllers have always been banned at Evo, with the exception of last year because of all the new consoles.

    Now there are actually options for pad players and we hope that players take advantage of them.
    There is no accepted alternative for a DS4 pad in the MKX community.

    This should be reconsidered and instead the desync rule should be applied.

    Players who come onto a setup are responsible for removing the previous controllers from a setup.
    If they do not know how, the judges should show them.

    It has been proven that this prevents pauses from games, and if a pause actually happens the judge
    must enforce that the players are forced to either continue without replaying or restart the round/match.
    it is 100% the players fault(not previous players). This is not a complicated process. Both DOA and MKX
    practice this method. It is less of a headache for the masses.

    hor or madcatz make wired pads

    The pads are much different than the DS4 pads, not widely accepted within pad communities and are an extra expense for only one tournament.

    ds3 was banned from evo previously, this isnt new
  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 25,989 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.
    This is offensive.
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.

    and considering there are at least 3 fightpads on the market that are wired + wired fightsticks, it should be fine.
  • mikemetroidmikemetroid TYM Mod Joined: Posts: 23
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.

    and considering there are at least 3 fightpads on the market that are wired + wired fightsticks, it should be fine.

    Its impossible to desync your OWN controller.

    This is why its the responsibility of the people who come up to play a match to delete the previous controllers on the console.
    Each judge at EVO is assigned to look at 4-6 matches at once, it is NOT hard to catch a pause at all.
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.

    and considering there are at least 3 fightpads on the market that are wired + wired fightsticks, it should be fine.

    Its impossible to desync your OWN controller.

    This is why its the responsibility of the people who come up to play a match to delete the previous controllers on the console.
    Each judge at EVO is assigned to look at 4-6 matches at once, it is NOT hard to catch a pause at all.

    this system you are proposing is bound to fail at a large tournament. They gave players a break last year but there are plenty of pad options now.
  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 26,538
    MrWizard wrote: »
    Wireless controllers have always been banned at Evo, with the exception of last year because of all the new consoles.

    Now there are actually options for pad players and we hope that players take advantage of them.
    There is no accepted alternative for a DS4 pad in the MKX community.

    This should be reconsidered and instead the desync rule should be applied.

    Players who come onto a setup are responsible for removing the previous controllers from a setup.
    If they do not know how, the judges should show them.

    It has been proven that this prevents pauses from games, and if a pause actually happens the judge
    must enforce that the players are forced to either continue without replaying or restart the round/match.
    it is 100% the players fault(not previous players). This is not a complicated process. Both DOA and MKX
    practice this method. It is less of a headache for the masses.

    hor or madcatz make wired pads

    Those pads are completely different from the DS4 pad. I also don't like having six face buttons.
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  • mikemetroidmikemetroid TYM Mod Joined: Posts: 23
    edited February 2016
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.

    and considering there are at least 3 fightpads on the market that are wired + wired fightsticks, it should be fine.

    Its impossible to desync your OWN controller.

    This is why its the responsibility of the people who come up to play a match to delete the previous controllers on the console.
    Each judge at EVO is assigned to look at 4-6 matches at once, it is NOT hard to catch a pause at all.

    this system you are proposing is bound to fail at a large tournament. They gave players a break last year but there are plenty of pad options now.

    It doesn't fail though. Especially since there is a judge for every four-six stations.

    It's NOT hard at all to remove the controllers at all.
    Settings -> Devices -> bluetooth -> Disconnect all controllers that aren't yours + opponents.

    Quite literally the only way this will fail is if players are dumb and forget to do the process. Which is their fault and they deserve to have their match interrupted for being ignorant.
  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    or you could ban wireless controllers and not worry about it someone forgetting.


    and on the six button thing, use 4 of them and the triggers.
  • Geese PantsGeese Pants Certified Geese.... Joined: Posts: 21,607 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    MrWizard wrote: »
    Wireless controllers have always been banned at Evo, with the exception of last year because of all the new consoles.

    Now there are actually options for pad players and we hope that players take advantage of them.
    There is no accepted alternative for a DS4 pad in the MKX community.

    This should be reconsidered and instead the desync rule should be applied.

    Players who come onto a setup are responsible for removing the previous controllers from a setup.
    If they do not know how, the judges should show them.

    It has been proven that this prevents pauses from games, and if a pause actually happens the judge
    must enforce that the players are forced to either continue without replaying or restart the round/match.
    it is 100% the players fault(not previous players). This is not a complicated process. Both DOA and MKX
    practice this method. It is less of a headache for the masses.

    For an event as big as EVO................I think that's more of an inconvenience for the TO/judges.
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 25,989 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    MrWizard wrote: »
    Wireless controllers have always been banned at Evo, with the exception of last year because of all the new consoles.

    Now there are actually options for pad players and we hope that players take advantage of them.
    There is no accepted alternative for a DS4 pad in the MKX community.

    This should be reconsidered and instead the desync rule should be applied.

    Players who come onto a setup are responsible for removing the previous controllers from a setup.
    If they do not know how, the judges should show them.

    It has been proven that this prevents pauses from games, and if a pause actually happens the judge
    must enforce that the players are forced to either continue without replaying or restart the round/match.
    it is 100% the players fault(not previous players). This is not a complicated process. Both DOA and MKX
    practice this method. It is less of a headache for the masses.

    hor or madcatz make wired pads

    Those pads are completely different from the DS4 pad. I also don't like having six face buttons.

    Get used to it.
    This is offensive.
  • Geese PantsGeese Pants Certified Geese.... Joined: Posts: 21,607 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.

    and considering there are at least 3 fightpads on the market that are wired + wired fightsticks, it should be fine.

    Its impossible to desync your OWN controller.

    This is why its the responsibility of the people who come up to play a match to delete the previous controllers on the console.
    Each judge at EVO is assigned to look at 4-6 matches at once, it is NOT hard to catch a pause at all.

    this system you are proposing is bound to fail at a large tournament. They gave players a break last year but there are plenty of pad options now.

    It doesn't fail though. Especially since there is a judge for every four-six stations.

    It's NOT hard at all to remove the controllers at all.
    Settings -> Devices -> bluetooth -> Disconnect all controllers that aren't yours + opponents.

    Quite literally the only way this will fail is if players are dumb and forget to do the process. Which is their fault and they deserve to have their match interrupted for being ignorant.

    I've seen guys walk off in a loss pissed and forgetting to desync their wireless pad..............which holds up other matches to be played.
    The staff doesn't want to risk that.
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  • Max_The_ScrublordMax_The_Scrublord Joined: Posts: 204
    edited February 2016
    Doesn't Smug play controller? Like, not even a pad? I wonder about his reaction.

  • Geese PantsGeese Pants Certified Geese.... Joined: Posts: 21,607 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Pretty sure he would still have to abide by the rules like the rest of us............
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  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
    Mr. Wizard just unbanned it on twitter. One more year makes sense. Gives players and manufacturers a year to bring acceptable alternatives.

  • ChachiChachi The Masterpiece Joined: Posts: 4,765
    All wireless controllers other than the DualShock4 are banned.

    Straight from the additional rules page. Must have been a recent edit.
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  • Geese PantsGeese Pants Certified Geese.... Joined: Posts: 21,607 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Yeah............Wiz just amended the rule.
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  • aszydaszyd Joined: Posts: 505
    Doesn't Smug play controller? Like, not even a pad? I wonder about his reaction.

    It's not like Smug's game is even in EVO this year...
  • mikemetroidmikemetroid TYM Mod Joined: Posts: 23
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.
    Raz0r wrote: »
    Wireless pads are a problem. People not desyncing properly and fucking up the matches has happened in the past.

    Keep in mind there will be thousands of competitors at these events and TOs will be charged with overlooking a number of matches at once. They cannot be asked to make sure everyone desyncs. It's just easier to ban them. You have months to find an alternative, anyway.

    and considering there are at least 3 fightpads on the market that are wired + wired fightsticks, it should be fine.

    Its impossible to desync your OWN controller.

    This is why its the responsibility of the people who come up to play a match to delete the previous controllers on the console.
    Each judge at EVO is assigned to look at 4-6 matches at once, it is NOT hard to catch a pause at all.

    this system you are proposing is bound to fail at a large tournament. They gave players a break last year but there are plenty of pad options now.

    It doesn't fail though. Especially since there is a judge for every four-six stations.

    It's NOT hard at all to remove the controllers at all.
    Settings -> Devices -> bluetooth -> Disconnect all controllers that aren't yours + opponents.

    Quite literally the only way this will fail is if players are dumb and forget to do the process. Which is their fault and they deserve to have their match interrupted for being ignorant.

    I've seen guys walk off in a loss pissed and forgetting to desync their wireless pad..............which holds up other matches to be played.
    The staff doesn't want to risk that.

    You are misunderstanding what I am saying.

    The people who walk off can't desync their own controllers, only the new people who come on can truly disconnect the controllers.
  • DaRabidDuckieDaRabidDuckie Happiest. Duck. Ever. Joined: Posts: 9,870 mod
    Brook makes an excellent PS2 to PS4 adapter that should more than meet the needs of pad players who use a Dual Shock.

    You can purchase one here: http://www.paradisearcadeshop.com/brook-super-converters/1675--ps2-to-ps3ps4-super-converter.html?search_query=ps2+to+ps4&results=1
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  • CalnaughtonjrCalnaughtonjr Joined: Posts: 24
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    We are going to unban the DualShock 4 for this years event. Players are responsible for unpairing them after your match with the console.
  • DinooDinoo MATHEMATICAL! Joined: Posts: 60
    Raz0r wrote: »
    MrWizard wrote: »
    Wireless controllers have always been banned at Evo, with the exception of last year because of all the new consoles.

    Now there are actually options for pad players and we hope that players take advantage of them.
    There is no accepted alternative for a DS4 pad in the MKX community.

    This should be reconsidered and instead the desync rule should be applied.

    Players who come onto a setup are responsible for removing the previous controllers from a setup.
    If they do not know how, the judges should show them.

    It has been proven that this prevents pauses from games, and if a pause actually happens the judge
    must enforce that the players are forced to either continue without replaying or restart the round/match.
    it is 100% the players fault(not previous players). This is not a complicated process. Both DOA and MKX
    practice this method. It is less of a headache for the masses.

    hor or madcatz make wired pads

    Those pads are completely different from the DS4 pad. I also don't like having six face buttons.

    Get used to it.
    or you could ban wireless controllers and not worry about it someone forgetting.


    and on the six button thing, use 4 of them and the triggers.

    It seems both of you guys have no idea how pad players operate. It's common knowledge that PS3 pads have some of the best D-Pads in the business. Those sega genesis like fightpads are horrible and ironically make it a bit more difficult. You can't be so caviller and just tell someone to essentially suck it up when you don't know what it's like. Yes these controllers are out there, but there's a reason people don't use them. They're A) Not cost effective and B) Not good or worth it.
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    Pad scrubs stay salty.

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