The Inevitable Street Fighter V Story Thread: A SHADOW FALLS!

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  • Darc RequiemDarc Requiem The Light Emitting Darkness Joined: Posts: 8,262
    bakfromon wrote: »

    I'm tired of fucking zombies. This shit has been going on since the 90s.
  • bakfromonbakfromon True Void Joined: Posts: 2,000
    bakfromon wrote: »

    Q


    q.jpg?h=5e2768f3d0e1f76ee0dd4ee61e43f4f7

    (The mysterious enigma! Who is the true person behind the mask? Currently, this fighter is unknown.)

    Name: Q
    Height: Unknown
    Weight: Unknown
    Blood Type: Unknown
    Birthday: Unknown
    Country of Origin: Unknown
    Favorite thing: Unknown
    Dislikes: Unknown

    The mysterious person who's been witnessed worldwide. He hides his identity behind an iron mask, hat, and trench coat. There have been multiple sightings of him around the world occurring at simultaneous times. There are doubts as to whether or not he's human. C.Viper of the C.I.A is currently investigating the matter.

    I'm surprised they didn't mention these three in Q's bio.
    sf3-3q-11.png
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  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 25,995
    bakfromon wrote: »
    bakfromon wrote: »

    Q


    q.jpg?h=5e2768f3d0e1f76ee0dd4ee61e43f4f7

    (The mysterious enigma! Who is the true person behind the mask? Currently, this fighter is unknown.)

    Name: Q
    Height: Unknown
    Weight: Unknown
    Blood Type: Unknown
    Birthday: Unknown
    Country of Origin: Unknown
    Favorite thing: Unknown
    Dislikes: Unknown

    The mysterious person who's been witnessed worldwide. He hides his identity behind an iron mask, hat, and trench coat. There have been multiple sightings of him around the world occurring at simultaneous times. There are doubts as to whether or not he's human. C.Viper of the C.I.A is currently investigating the matter.

    I'm surprised they didn't mention these three in Q's bio.
    sf3-3q-11.png

    Those three must not be important when it comes to Q. Capcom have a more revelant character that can investigate him.
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  • Fretless94Fretless94 Joined: Posts: 435
    YES! Oh man, I was not expecting Q to be the character of the day so soon. Also, it says C. Viper is investigating. Capcom, Q vs. Viper, that's what we need, that's the most sensible way to integrate Q into the game, DO IT!
  • ScotiaScotia There's a good chance I hate your favourite character Joined: Posts: 307
    bakfromon wrote: »
    bakfromon wrote: »

    Q


    q.jpg?h=5e2768f3d0e1f76ee0dd4ee61e43f4f7

    (The mysterious enigma! Who is the true person behind the mask? Currently, this fighter is unknown.)

    Name: Q
    Height: Unknown
    Weight: Unknown
    Blood Type: Unknown
    Birthday: Unknown
    Country of Origin: Unknown
    Favorite thing: Unknown
    Dislikes: Unknown

    The mysterious person who's been witnessed worldwide. He hides his identity behind an iron mask, hat, and trench coat. There have been multiple sightings of him around the world occurring at simultaneous times. There are doubts as to whether or not he's human. C.Viper of the C.I.A is currently investigating the matter.

    I'm surprised they didn't mention these three in Q's bio.
    sf3-3q-11.png

    Those three must not be important when it comes to Q. Capcom have a more revelant character that can investigate him.

    Seems like C.Viper is that character.
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    Mains

    SF3
    Sean
    Alex
    Ken

    SFV
    Ken
    Alex
    Ed


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  • Fretless94Fretless94 Joined: Posts: 435
    I imagine they'll touch upon Juliana, David and Richard the CIA agents later on, possibly altogether in one post. I mean, if Don Sauvage and "Those two guys in the intro to Street Fighter II" can get their own pages, they can too.
  • ScotiaScotia There's a good chance I hate your favourite character Joined: Posts: 307
    Shockdingo wrote: »
    bakfromon wrote: »

    Q


    q.jpg?h=5e2768f3d0e1f76ee0dd4ee61e43f4f7

    (The mysterious enigma! Who is the true person behind the mask? Currently, this fighter is unknown.)

    Name: Q
    Height: Unknown
    Weight: Unknown
    Blood Type: Unknown
    Birthday: Unknown
    Country of Origin: Unknown
    Favorite thing: Unknown
    Dislikes: Unknown

    The mysterious person who's been witnessed worldwide. He hides his identity behind an iron mask, hat, and trench coat. There have been multiple sightings of him around the world occurring at simultaneous times. There are doubts as to whether or not he's human. C.Viper of the C.I.A is currently investigating the matter.

    YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Loving that more natural pose and also loving that Viper is investigating him! Such an awesome connection that'll nicely serve future games. I literally made this high pitched noise that my sister could hear from across the house and wondered what the heck was going on lol.

    Q's the best I love him so much
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    Mains

    SF3
    Sean
    Alex
    Ken

    SFV
    Ken
    Alex
    Ed


    "We await your return, warrior..."
  • DarthEnderDarthEnder Dragon Force Kin Joined: Posts: 2,529
    edited May 2016
    Connecting C. Viper to Q is indeed awesome.

    That said, I get that they don't know anything about his identity or his past, but something like, say, his height, they should still be able to figure out.
    Fretless94 wrote: »
    I imagine they'll touch upon Juliana, David and Richard the CIA agents later on, possibly altogether in one post. I mean, if Don Sauvage and "Those two guys in the intro to Street Fighter II" can get their own pages, they can too.
    It's possible that one of them is actually the "Jade Goat" person that Viper was reporting to in Bison's story mode.

  • MilesRieyMilesRiey Cavalry is here Joined: Posts: 5,093
    edited May 2016
    Really starting to think that the characters they leave out of these descriptions are likely the ones who will be in Season 2... I'd hope not, since I really want to play Q, but who knows...
    DarthEnder wrote: »
    Connecting C. Viper to Q is indeed awesome.

    That said, I get that they don't know anything about his identity or his past, but something like, say, his height, they should still be able to figure out.

    Nah Q will kill any civilian before they realize how tall he is, therefore unknown :coffee:
    Semi-retired from FGs for now :V
  • Super SonicSuper Sonic Joined: Posts: 1,421
    Then the speculations about Q actually being Bison are out of the window now. Let's see...
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  • bakfromonbakfromon True Void Joined: Posts: 2,000
    edited May 2016
    Then the speculations about Q actually being Bison are out of the window now. Let's see...

    I think we can throw out the theory about Dorai being Q as well.
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  • Fretless94Fretless94 Joined: Posts: 435
    DarthEnder wrote: »
    Connecting C. Viper to Q is indeed awesome.

    That said, I get that they don't know anything about his identity or his past, but something like, say, his height, they should still be able to figure out.
    Fretless94 wrote: »
    I imagine they'll touch upon Juliana, David and Richard the CIA agents later on, possibly altogether in one post. I mean, if Don Sauvage and "Those two guys in the intro to Street Fighter II" can get their own pages, they can too.
    It's possible that one of them is actually the "Jade Goat" person that Viper was reporting to in Bison's story mode.
    Ehhhh, I don't think so. Crimson Viper is called so because her hair resembles, well, a crimson viper. Jade Goat probably follows along with the same theme.
  • ScotiaScotia There's a good chance I hate your favourite character Joined: Posts: 307
    I hope Sean's profile comes up soon. I'd love to see what they have to say about him.
    "If I lose today, I can still win tomorrow. -Sean Matsuda

    Mains

    SF3
    Sean
    Alex
    Ken

    SFV
    Ken
    Alex
    Ed


    "We await your return, warrior..."
  • bakfromonbakfromon True Void Joined: Posts: 2,000
    Fretless94 wrote: »
    DarthEnder wrote: »
    Connecting C. Viper to Q is indeed awesome.

    That said, I get that they don't know anything about his identity or his past, but something like, say, his height, they should still be able to figure out.
    Fretless94 wrote: »
    I imagine they'll touch upon Juliana, David and Richard the CIA agents later on, possibly altogether in one post. I mean, if Don Sauvage and "Those two guys in the intro to Street Fighter II" can get their own pages, they can too.
    It's possible that one of them is actually the "Jade Goat" person that Viper was reporting to in Bison's story mode.
    Ehhhh, I don't think so. Crimson Viper is called so because her hair resembles, well, a crimson viper. Jade Goat probably follows along with the same theme.

    Crimson Viper = Red hair resembling a snake.

    Smart Raven = Black Hair resembling a bird.

    Jade Goat = Green hair that resembles a goat? (Goatee and horns?)
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  • MilesRieyMilesRiey Cavalry is here Joined: Posts: 5,093
    bakfromon wrote: »
    Fretless94 wrote: »
    DarthEnder wrote: »
    Connecting C. Viper to Q is indeed awesome.

    That said, I get that they don't know anything about his identity or his past, but something like, say, his height, they should still be able to figure out.
    Fretless94 wrote: »
    I imagine they'll touch upon Juliana, David and Richard the CIA agents later on, possibly altogether in one post. I mean, if Don Sauvage and "Those two guys in the intro to Street Fighter II" can get their own pages, they can too.
    It's possible that one of them is actually the "Jade Goat" person that Viper was reporting to in Bison's story mode.
    Ehhhh, I don't think so. Crimson Viper is called so because her hair resembles, well, a crimson viper. Jade Goat probably follows along with the same theme.

    Crimson Viper = Red hair resembling a snake.

    Smart Raven = Black Hair resembling a bird.

    Jade Goat = Green hair that resembles a goat? (Goatee and horns?)

    Disregarding the color, Juri would be a candidate for the that codename I guess, since she has hair horns... but then again, this is only if we're to disregard the colors.
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  • Fretless94Fretless94 Joined: Posts: 435
    It's kind of why I thought Rashid was Jade Goat. He's got the crazy goatee, and the jade was in reference to his eyepiece.
  • MilesRieyMilesRiey Cavalry is here Joined: Posts: 5,093
    Fretless94 wrote: »
    It's kind of why I thought Rashid was Jade Goat. He's got the crazy goatee, and the jade was in reference to his eyepiece.

    Oh that's right forgot about Rashid for a sec... yeah it makes a lot of more sense for him to be Jade Goat, he has contact with C.Viper as well IIRC.

    Now Smart Raven... well that could be a new character, I don't recall any characters with hair resembling a bird... could be loosely based on hair style for this one though, but who knows.
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  • MageggMagegg Joined: Posts: 3,915
    Wow, this is getting Blazblue-level of non playable characters...
  • bizzyrokbizzyrok Joined: Posts: 137
    YagamiFire wrote: »
    Sorry. Rugal is one of my two favorite bosses (alongside Geese) of all time and one of my favorite fighting game characters period AND one of my favorite video game characters. Such a great villain.

    So who defeats him or is his rival?
    Is geese stronger ?
  • YagamiFireYagamiFire Hobby: Resurrection Joined: Posts: 2,925
    bizzyrok wrote: »
    YagamiFire wrote: »
    Sorry. Rugal is one of my two favorite bosses (alongside Geese) of all time and one of my favorite fighting game characters period AND one of my favorite video game characters. Such a great villain.

    So who defeats him or is his rival?
    Is geese stronger ?

    Rugal > Geese as far as power goes. Geese lost one on one to Terry Bogard and Rugal can take on a team consisting of Terry, his only-slightly-weaker brother Andy and their also-strong friend Joe Higashi.

    Rugal was defeated several times by Team Japan that consists of Kyo (top tier main character of KOF), Benimaru (a friendly rival to Kyo so not a heckuva lot weaker) and their ally Goro (like the strongest, toughest judo guy in Japan).

    Rugal was also outright stomped by Goenitz. Goenitz gouged out his eye in a single attack (which is why Rugal has an awesome cyber-eye)...oh and Goenitz did this when he was barely an adult and Rugal was older. In terms of KOF power, Goenitz is pretty damn top-tier having absolutely rofflestomped Kyo 1v1. It took Kyo, Iori (a guy just as strong as Kyo and his primary rival and main anti-hero of all of KOF) and Chizuru (herself a sub-boss level character near Kyo & Iori in strength) to beat him 3v1.

    So as far as bosses go...Rugal is VERY strong...especially Omega Rugal...but there are bigger fish in the pond. Rugal is probably on the same tier as Krizalid from 99.

    As a little guess about relative strengths I'd lay out bosses like this...

    Rugal < Omega Rugal = Krizalid < Zero = O. Zero < Goenitz = Igniz = Mukai = Magaki = Saiki < Orochi (literally unbeatable save for a team-up by Kyo-Iori-Chizuru because of mystical powers/immunities)

    People want to argue that power inflation in KOF is really bad...but it doesn't actually seem to be. It's only the case if you assume that every boss is stronger than the previous one...but I think that's a poor assumption just like assuming Gill>Bison because Gill is in SF3 and Bison is in SF2. Just like with Gill, starting in KOF99, the bosses were being fought primarily by a NEW set of heroes (like Alex) who were not as powerful as previous main characters since they still had room to grow.

    Of course, that's not to say bosses haven't become harder. Magaki can go fuck himself. That dude is INSANE to fight against...and so is Omega Rugal in KOF2002UM. Good lord.
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  • DarthEnderDarthEnder Dragon Force Kin Joined: Posts: 2,529
    Fretless94 wrote: »
    Ehhhh, I don't think so. Crimson Viper is called so because her hair resembles, well, a crimson viper. Jade Goat probably follows along with the same theme.
    True, but they might also just change one of those 3 character's hair styles to fit for SF5.

  • AriesWarlockAriesWarlock Joined: Posts: 3,420
    edited May 2016
    YagamiFire wrote: »
    As a little guess about relative strengths I'd lay out bosses like this...

    Rugal < Omega Rugal = Krizalid < Zero = O. Zero < Goenitz = Igniz = Mukai = Magaki = Saiki < Orochi (literally unbeatable save for a team-up by Kyo-Iori-Chizuru because of mystical powers/immunities)

    Can Krauser hang out with them?

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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Giving your waifu the pipeu Joined: Posts: 7,020
    edited May 2016
    YagamiFire wrote: »
    @YagamiFire

    I know most of the plots for KOF, but this one little detail has never been clear to me. I've read two different versions and wonder which one is the most accurate.
    Heidern and Rugal #1: Heidern learns about Rugal's illegal activities and begins to investigate him. Rugal eventually gets wind of this and warns Heidern to stay away or he'll be sorry. Heidern continues with it, which annoys Rugal enough to kidnap his family. Looking to save them, Heidern and a bunch of his men fly to the Blacknoah to fight Rugal. Most of Heidern's men are slaughtered by him, Heidern loses his eye, and his wife and daughter protect him from Rugal's Kaiser Wave at the last minute.

    Heidern and Rugal #2: After Rugal got a taste of the Orochi power, he decided to test it out. Rugal found a base in Brazil with Heidern celebrating along with his comrades and family and proceeds to decimate everyone there and leave Heidern with one eye.

    Could you tell me which is the more accurate story?

    I've never heard the first one.

    From what I recall and to the best of my knowledge...Heidern was promoted for his incredible fighting talents and strategy skills. Hearing about his capability through his black market connections, Rugal hunts down Heidern while Heidern is celebrating with everyone about this promotion. Rugal being the asshole that he is, storms the party, butchers his way through a bunch of cannon fodder and challenges Heidern, threatening his family. Heidern rushes to protect them and Rugal beats the piss out of Heidern basically effortlessly and swipes out his eye. He then kills Heidern's family for lulz because Heidern was too weak to protect them and tells Heidern he's also too weak to even be worthy of Rugal's collection of bronze-dipped fighters. He leaves.

    Heidern leaves the military and forms his own Ikari Warriors mercenary unit.

    Rugal continues being a bad-ass hilarious asshole.

    This story also hi-lights one of the reasons I really like Rugal as a boss: the dude has ALWAYS been about fighting the strongest fighters. He's Akuma before Akuma...but way more awesome about it and he acts with style and self-respect. There's also no stupid air of honor or dignity about him. The dude's a fucking sociopath and totally revels in it. Ironically, however, he's SO AWESOME that he doesn't even worry about 1v1 death matches. DUDE FIGHTS 3 v 1 AND STILL WINS!

    Sorry. Rugal is one of my two favorite bosses (alongside Geese) of all time and one of my favorite fighting game characters period AND one of my favorite video game characters. Such a great villain.

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    Thanks for the reply. That story makes more sense because that sounds like something he'd do. Rugal is by far one of my favorite villains right next to Bison and Wesker. Dude is a cartel leader with his own private aircraft, a badass pet panther, a stylish pimp suit, and a bunch of statues reminding him of his victories. On top of that, he's incredibly skilled and can even drain you of your power. I still remember how hyped I was seeing God Rugal toss Akuma off the screen after absorbing his Satsui no Hado.

    There's also this: "I'm more than a god! I'm a superstar! Hah, hah!"

    Nothing gets better than that line. Absolutely nothing.

    Saiki's one of those people that are hard to gauge. I know he tells Vice/Mature that even the addition of the 4 Kings wouldn't be enough to stop him, but that might just be bullshit.
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  • FengShuiEnergyFengShuiEnergy ARIA is the only answer Joined: Posts: 11,342
    Family is important but.........did they really have to make Q Dorai? That sounds very........downer.
  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Eagle will return Joined: Posts: 7,753
    So Capcom appears to be going through SF3 characters right now. Let's see who they can cover:
    YunDone
    Chun-LiAlready in
    KenAlready in AND has a concept bio
    Dudley
    Makoto
    AkumaDone
    UrienIncoming, probably won't get a bio
    YangDone
    RyuAlready in
    IbukiIncoming, could be the May character anyway
    Oro
    Elena
    Necro
    AlexAlready in
    Remy
    Hugo
    QDone
    Twelve
    Sean

    Bolded characters were not in SF4, SFV, or any concept art thus far.
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    So Capcom appears to be going through SF3 characters right now. Let's see who they can cover:
    YunDone
    Chun-LiAlready in
    KenAlready in AND has a concept bio
    Dudley
    Makoto
    AkumaDone
    UrienIncoming, probably won't get a bio
    YangDone
    RyuAlready in
    IbukiIncoming, could be the May character anyway
    Oro
    Elena
    Necro
    AlexAlready in
    Remy
    Hugo
    QDone
    Twelve
    Sean

    Bolded characters were not in SF4, SFV, or any concept art thus far.

    Sean and Oro were cameos in SFV, if you're counting that.
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    Mains

    SF3
    Sean
    Alex
    Ken

    SFV
    Ken
    Alex
    Ed


    "We await your return, warrior..."
  • MilesRieyMilesRiey Cavalry is here Joined: Posts: 5,093
    As much as I'm not a fan of Remy, I'm curious what description they will come up with for him, it's quite a guarantee that they will allude him to Nash or Guile in one way or the other.

    Also, how would you guys feel if they were to actually reveal who/what Q is? I myself think that it would be quite bad, because a major part of his character design that makes him likeable is the mystery he is... I'd hope for a plot twist done right if they were to reveal his identity, but with how mysterious he is I think it can be really hard to accomplish that without polarizing reactions.
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  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,650
    edited May 2016
    YagamiFire wrote: »
    This story also hi-lights one of the reasons I really like Rugal as a boss: the dude has ALWAYS been about fighting the strongest fighters. He's Akuma before Akuma...but way more awesome about it and he acts with style and self-respect. There's also no stupid air of honor or dignity about him. The dude's a fucking sociopath and totally revels in it. Ironically, however, he's SO AWESOME that he doesn't even worry about 1v1 death matches. DUDE FIGHTS 3 v 1 AND STILL WINS!

    Sorry. Rugal is one of my two favorite bosses (alongside Geese) of all time and one of my favorite fighting game characters period AND one of my favorite video game characters. Such a great villain.

    Kof_xii_styled_sprite_by_omegaefex-d4ipedb.png

    Rugal is why I cannot stand Akuma anyomre. I bought into the air of mystic and "kewl" toughest of the toughguy at first but, digging deeper there's nothing for me. With Rugal, he's an incredible and terrifying warrior who likes fighting the strongest of warriors, squeals at carnage and having a good time with Murdertime inbetween setting up business across the globe. He's so good at things physically he doesn't have favourite sports, he's just good at any of them, likes bronze, his panther and screwing fools over. Even with that basic description, he's miles above Akuma in terms of interesting. He's a fighter, specifically the boss type of being the big bad, but he's plugged into the world of KoF and has aspects of him beyond fighting. He has established an arms business to put world governments in fear or him, but has a personal life, family and even an exotic pet.

    He's so different from a generic, "perfect" anime badguy:

    He's established as incredibly powerful and influential, but early on in his life (I can't remember when and what game they mention him finding out about Goenitz and losing his own eye) he's immediately humbled and shown there's bigger and badder things than himself out there instead of being beaten by the next big bad guy like some animes do to recurring villains. He's also presented as being tough, but not some unbeatable God that makes Geese Howard and Yamazaki burst into tears or have Krauser's 'stache burst into flames at the mere mention of his name.

    He's not bound by a particular code or philosophy, he's an arms dealer and he loves to live the good life; fancy clothes (but with an edge), ornate surroundings, has a pet PANTHER.

    As good at fighting as he is, he's still a sore loser. This, plus the detail about him not having favourites- be it food or sports, and his mimicry special skill make me want to know more about his backstory. Could it be that he's actually so good at things that he's bored and through the years he led a privileged life, so the first sign of adversity really screws him up and he is unable to understand the concept of him NOT being able to do something?

    At the end of the day he's got loads personality and aesthetics - that iconic laugh, his clothing style (the classic smoking jacket, but with the meshed shirt underneath, the earrings and fingerless gloves), the love of classical music, there's so much to him that I would have loved to see a scene where him and Bison are meeting at a neutral location, having dinner and having a fantastic time as old, super evil comrades.

    One thing I'd like to see is him not being a total psycho in all aspects of his life. From details, it looks like he was around long enough that his kids got to know him somewhat (Adel's fighting style, Rose's personality traits), I think it would be interesting and kind of sick if off of work he was this seemingly normal family man in the vein of some film mobsters but could compartmentalize business and family time; him being around for his kids, his wife fully knowing and liking what he does, encouraging his kids to beat the hell out of anyone that ever gives them trouble, showing off his Bronze Fighter collection to them as life lessons on how to deal with people who don't give them respect, etc. In my head, if making an anime series, I'd have a scene like this in a flashback for Adel:
    It's a dark and windy night in fall. An elite soldier sneaks into Rugal's mansion and tries to get the drop on him, a very, very short and one-sided fight breaks out. We see a young Rose open the door, kind of sleepy, grabs Adel and they both walk to see what the commotion is. A few things in their father's study have been knocked over, but they see him smiling, holding the elite soldier by the throat. He's bloody, has visibly broken and limp limbs, eyes filled with terror.

    "Sorry for the noise my dears, one of Papa's work rivals decided to make an unexpected visit. I'll come and tuck you two in in a minute."

    A beat of silence. Adel, sleepily nods, Rose, frowning at the soldier points at him, calls him rude. Tugs on Adel's sleeve and they exit.

    The soldier would be even more horrified at how normal this seems to them. as he meets a quick and grisly end. As Rugal disposes of the body, his wife walks in from the kitchen, holding some tea, without missing a beat she says:

    "I told you the Prime Minister would pull something like this."

    "Eh, I wanted a little action, a small war broke out recently. You wouldn't believe all the paperwork it takes to ship even a small cache of weapons out of Europe.


    I say this not to make him sympathetic and capable of redemption; he lives life the way he wants, makes no apologies, but isn't so stereotypically villainous that he kills his men on a whim is an outright abusive dad or nothing beyond his alignment in the series. I think that could make him interesting, unpredictable (since global governments would be reading from a playbook on how to stop him and failing evertime to psychologically understand him) and ultimately make him disturbing if he walks both those lines.

    Wow, I got off topic lol. Basically, I wanted Akuma to expand into something interesting, but just got vague stuff for years without any real progress. Years ago, I saw an awesome, admittedly out of character piece of work for Akuma, but it made me want an Akuma that finally got to a level he enjoyed fighting stylewise, but...decided to live a little. He'd still train, but he wouldn't be so one note

    bikakuma_by_njoo.jpg
    Bikakuma by njoo

    In general I'm not a fan of official teams dramatically twisting characters to match the tastes of the audience members who never liked them in the first place and resulting in an alienation of said original fans, so I'm not asking them to do this to ol' Akuma. I'm just enjoying this real awesome fanart, but that being said....

    I just see something more with this alternate take and it makes me wonder. An older, but still energetic Japanese biker who is a superhumanly strong and skilled martial artist with a few personality traits from Victor Creed/Sabretooth (sarcasm for one) resonates with me, but it's not what they want to do with the character so it's nothing I would hope for.

    I guess the appeal for me is having an Akuma who finally hit his ceiling and starts to live less like a monk and starts eking out a life for himself while still being a fighter. I'd have it that he thinks he's hit a ceiling powerwise, but, he eventually gets inspiration to get stronger through different perspectives and people he meets, ironically by not killing all he meets and letting his hair down metaphorically, I could see this as a path to start developing him.

    It would start off with him actually troubled that he doesn't know where to go next. Takes the night off of training, decides to go on a journey after some dinner and over the course of 2 weeks, goes on a journey and sees how Japan is without him being in the lens of fighting. Tries some drinks, enjoys new food, discovers he's really good at pool and begins to try new competitive things.

    I dunno, I mean the idea would be a drastic shift away from the core character that I don't think would work or should, but the core idea from the picture still sticks with me. What does Akuma do when he's not training or plotting to convert Ryu? Does he have a sense of humour, does he like to drink a brand of beer, when he's in the mountains and recovering from intense training does he remember childhood ghost stories? Y'know something other than "I am the lord of fists, who trains at the temple of fists, for the fisty glory of FISTS!"

    I sound like a broken record, but I like to see characters, villains/antagonists especially, that have more to their lives than what it says on the tin. I.e. a shot of Magneto sitting in Asteroid M and casually thinking, reclining and playing with levitating his helmet (seen this a few times here and there) or Dr. Doom reading arcane texts while enjoying wine.

    It's like how I said I'd love a scene of Gill, Urien, Kolin and Charlie discussing things, dressed in normal clothes behind the scenes, or how about a new one? Kolin and Gill, having an outdoor dinner at an isolated location overlooking the sea while they discuss the tenets of their faith, philosophy and etc. Also for a bonus, she'd be in casual clothing and Gill would be in an outfit that was in the middle of something traditional but casual; since the Illuminati members are people who have duality of the public faces and the "true" faces, I can see that reflected in Gill's attire -- he'd on the outside, be some tall and tanned Mediterranean guy who's rather well-to-do in whatever his public persona is and nothing that would make a person do a double take. UNLESS upon becoming Emperor, he gave up his public persona entirely. If that's the case, I can still see him occasionally reclining in something that's not robes, but still having a flavour of traditional.
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  • YagamiFireYagamiFire Hobby: Resurrection Joined: Posts: 2,925
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    YagamiFire wrote: »
    @YagamiFire

    I know most of the plots for KOF, but this one little detail has never been clear to me. I've read two different versions and wonder which one is the most accurate.
    Heidern and Rugal #1: Heidern learns about Rugal's illegal activities and begins to investigate him. Rugal eventually gets wind of this and warns Heidern to stay away or he'll be sorry. Heidern continues with it, which annoys Rugal enough to kidnap his family. Looking to save them, Heidern and a bunch of his men fly to the Blacknoah to fight Rugal. Most of Heidern's men are slaughtered by him, Heidern loses his eye, and his wife and daughter protect him from Rugal's Kaiser Wave at the last minute.

    Heidern and Rugal #2: After Rugal got a taste of the Orochi power, he decided to test it out. Rugal found a base in Brazil with Heidern celebrating along with his comrades and family and proceeds to decimate everyone there and leave Heidern with one eye.

    Could you tell me which is the more accurate story?

    I've never heard the first one.

    From what I recall and to the best of my knowledge...Heidern was promoted for his incredible fighting talents and strategy skills. Hearing about his capability through his black market connections, Rugal hunts down Heidern while Heidern is celebrating with everyone about this promotion. Rugal being the asshole that he is, storms the party, butchers his way through a bunch of cannon fodder and challenges Heidern, threatening his family. Heidern rushes to protect them and Rugal beats the piss out of Heidern basically effortlessly and swipes out his eye. He then kills Heidern's family for lulz because Heidern was too weak to protect them and tells Heidern he's also too weak to even be worthy of Rugal's collection of bronze-dipped fighters. He leaves.

    Heidern leaves the military and forms his own Ikari Warriors mercenary unit.

    Rugal continues being a bad-ass hilarious asshole.

    This story also hi-lights one of the reasons I really like Rugal as a boss: the dude has ALWAYS been about fighting the strongest fighters. He's Akuma before Akuma...but way more awesome about it and he acts with style and self-respect. There's also no stupid air of honor or dignity about him. The dude's a fucking sociopath and totally revels in it. Ironically, however, he's SO AWESOME that he doesn't even worry about 1v1 death matches. DUDE FIGHTS 3 v 1 AND STILL WINS!

    Sorry. Rugal is one of my two favorite bosses (alongside Geese) of all time and one of my favorite fighting game characters period AND one of my favorite video game characters. Such a great villain.

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    Thanks for the reply. That story makes more sense because that sounds like something he'd do. Rugal is by far one of my favorite villains right next to Bison and Wesker. Dude is a cartel leader with his own private aircraft, a badass pet panther, a stylish pimp suit, and a bunch of statues reminding him of his victories. On top of that, he's incredibly skilled and can even drain you of your power. I still remember how hyped I was seeing God Rugal toss Akuma off the screen after absorbing his Satsui no Hado.

    There's also this: "I'm more than a god! I'm a superstar! Hah, hah!"

    Nothing gets better than that line. Absolutely nothing.

    Saiki's one of those people that are hard to gauge. I know he tells Vice/Mature that even the addition of the 4 Kings wouldn't be enough to stop him, but that might just be bullshit.

    Totally agree. I think Saiki was mostly self-hype and high on his own power. Nothing he did made him seem any worse than the high tier bad-guys and he certainly wasn't in the tier of Orochi itself. Not even close. Strong? Sure...but not much more than that.
    YagamiFire wrote: »
    As a little guess about relative strengths I'd lay out bosses like this...

    Rugal < Omega Rugal = Krizalid < Zero = O. Zero < Goenitz = Igniz = Mukai = Magaki = Saiki < Orochi (literally unbeatable save for a team-up by Kyo-Iori-Chizuru because of mystical powers/immunities)

    Can Krauser hang out with them?

    Yes absolutely. Krauser is at Geese's level. There's a lot of hype around Krauser in that Geese was afraid of him but that was when they were younger and Krauser was a TRAINED WARRIOR FROM BIRTH. Of course he'd knock the shit out of Geese. Since then, however, Geese has grown by leaps and bounds and I'd say Krauser plateaued like most fighters do. Terry beat Krauser too so Krauser can't be that much stronger than Geese since Geese is also still a threat to Terry. So they'd both be equal with Rugal slightly above.
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    Rugal is why I cannot stand Akuma anyomre. I bought into the air of mystic and "kewl" toughest of the toughguy at first but, digging deeper there's nothing for me. With Rugal, he's an incredible and terrifying warrior who likes fighting the strongest of warriors, squeals at carnage and having a good time with Murdertime inbetween setting up business across the globe. He's so good at things physically he doesn't have favourite sports, he's just good at any of them, likes bronze, his panther and screwing fools over. Even with that basic description, he's miles above Akuma in terms of interesting. He's a fighter, specifically the boss type of being the big bad, but he's plugged into the world of KoF and has aspects of him beyond fighting. He has established an arms business to put world governments in fear or him, but has a personal life, family and even an exotic pet.

    He's so different from a generic, "perfect" anime badguy:

    He's established as incredibly powerful and influential, but early on in his life (I can't remember when and what game they mention him finding out about Goenitz and losing his own eye) he's immediately humbled and shown there's bigger and badder things than himself out there instead of being beaten by the next big bad guy like some animes do to recurring villains. He's also presented as being tough, but not some unbeatable God that makes Geese Howard and Yamazaki burst into tears or have Krauser's 'stache burst into flames at the mere mention of his name.

    He's not bound by a particular code or philosophy, he's an arms dealer and he loves to live the good life; fancy clothes (but with an edge), ornate surroundings, has a pet PANTHER.

    As good at fighting as he is, he's still a sore loser. This, plus the detail about him not having favourites- be it food or sports, and his mimicry special skill make me want to know more about his backstory. Could it be that he's actually so good at things that he's bored and through the years he led a privileged life, so the first sign of adversity really screws him up and he is unable to understand the concept of him NOT being able to do something?

    At the end of the day he's got loads personality and aesthetics - that iconic laugh, his clothing style (the classic smoking jacket, but with the meshed shirt underneath, the earrings and fingerless gloves), the love of classical music, there's so much to him that I would have loved to see a scene where him and Bison are meeting at a neutral location, having dinner and having a fantastic time as old, super evil comrades.

    One thing I'd like to see is him not being a total psycho in all aspects of his life. From details, it looks like he was around long enough that his kids got to know him somewhat (Adel's fighting style, Rose's personality traits), I think it would be interesting and kind of sick if off of work he was this seemingly normal family man in the vein of some film mobsters but could compartmentalize business and family time; him being around for his kids, his wife fully knowing and liking what he does, encouraging his kids to beat the hell out of anyone that ever gives them trouble, showing off his Bronze Fighter collection to them as life lessons on how to deal with people who don't give them respect, etc. In my head, if making an anime series, I'd have a scene like this in a flashback for Adel:
    It's a dark and windy night in fall. An elite soldier sneaks into Rugal's mansion and tries to get the drop on him, a very, very short and one-sided fight breaks out. We see a young Rose open the door, kind of sleepy, grabs Adel and they both walk to see what the commotion is. A few things in their father's study have been knocked over, but they see him smiling, holding the elite soldier by the throat. He's bloody, has visibly broken and limp limbs, eyes filled with terror.

    "Sorry for the noise my dears, one of Papa's work rivals decided to make an unexpected visit. I'll come and tuck you two in in a minute."

    A beat of silence. Adel, sleepily nods, Rose, frowning at the soldier points at him, calls him rude. Tugs on Adel's sleeve and they exit.

    The soldier would be even more horrified at how normal this seems to them. as he meets a quick and grisly end. As Rugal disposes of the body, his wife walks in from the kitchen, holding some tea, without missing a beat she says:

    "I told you the Prime Minister would pull something like this."

    "Eh, I wanted a little action, a small war broke out recently. You wouldn't believe all the paperwork it takes to ship even a small cache of weapons out of Europe.

    Couldn't agree more. Rugal just destroys Akuma for me too. I always kind of saw him as an evil James Bond in attitude...a guy that's charming and suave when he wants to be but, in reality, is this completely remorseless, stone-cold guy (I like Ian Fleming James Bond :P) except that with Rugal we get to see him EMBRACE that half of himself when he fights. The dude is good at EVERYTHING. A natural star athlete in anything he tries he's like a natural-born Captain America. Hell, the only reason he isn't the premiere business man in the world would be because IT'S TO EASY and carries no danger. Why do that when he can be an arms dealer that has to negotiate with madmen while staving off attempts on his life? That sounds WAY more fun! Why have a dog or a cat when you can have a deadly panther?! Why travel by yacht when you can own an airship of your own? That's the kind of guy Rugal is. Why worry about playing sports when you could just be the best combatant on the planet?

    And, as stated, when he got humbled by Goenitz...he didn't pout. He realized the guy was stronger because of a power he had and determined to make that power his own through training and focus. That's a HEROIC anime trope right there.

    On top of all this...he just happens to be sociopathic. If not for that, HE'D be the main character...but the dude has no empathy and no sympathy and no feelings for other human beings. They're just things to him. Why are his two kids brilliant and well schooled and his son is so powerful? Because they're HIS so they have to be dammit. He isn't going to have weak, dumb progeny laying around. It'd make HIM look bad.

    Hell, in my table top game universe Bison and Rugal were allies. Bison's Shadaloo made the weapons and Rugal trafficked them for Bison. They had dinner together. Adel and Rose knew Bison as "Mister Bison". They were this horrible symbiotic relationship that spread misery in the world...Bison because it powers him and Rugal for shits and grins. The two most evil men in the world that simultaneously hate and respect one another because they know they need each other to maximize their respective situations and because they both know the other is a physical threat. They're both used to dominating others through power of personality and literal physical might...but neither can do that to the other. Terrifyingly, it's the common ground that lets them just chat as equals. Of course, when Rugal "masters the Orochi power" or Bison "gets his perfect body" they fully intend to do away with the other and absorb their power base...but that's the future and they have to deal with the now.

    Meanwhile, Akuma? The idiots smashing his face against rocks. Grr so stronk!
    I say this not to make him sympathetic and capable of redemption; he lives life the way he wants, makes no apologies, but isn't so stereotypically villainous that he kills his men on a whim is an outright abusive dad or nothing beyond his alignment in the series. I think that could make him interesting, unpredictable (since global governments would be reading from a playbook on how to stop him and failing evertime to psychologically understand him) and ultimately make him disturbing if he walks both those lines.

    The playbook about stopping him is a perfect example of what I mean. Rugal would defy all psychological expectations because the guy might just GIVE AWAY weapons if he saw fit because it would create more conflict. He's already filthy rich. It'd be a drop in the bucket for him...but the chaos it would cause would be entertaining for a little while until he moves on to the next diversion.
    Akuma stuff

    There's a reason I consider "Akuma selling fruit" not only the most important and evocative piece of Akuma art...but also the most tragic in that it's NEVER had anything done with it. It's always been an ignored facet of the character. And I don't mean "the adventures of Akuma the fruit seller", I mean the parts of Akuma's character that would make him, y'know, resemble anything like a character instead of a walking fanwank-fest.
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  • ShockdingoShockdingo Freelance voice actor & Reploid.PHD in Q speculation. Joined: Posts: 1,650
    Family is important but.........did they really have to make Q Dorai? That sounds very........downer.
    Yeah, it sucks, I really hope this is a Red Herring or one in a series of them. I've gone on at length how I'd rather a whole new character be Q. I'm not even married to the idea of Q being David, it's just who I think it is with all my research. if Q turned out to be a tall guy who looked and sounded like a blond Lance Henriksen I'd still be just as hyped for him. Making him Dorai, in my opion, damages Chun Li and wastes his potential.

    MilesRiey wrote: »

    Also, how would you guys feel if they were to actually reveal who/what Q is? I myself think that it would be quite bad, because a major part of his character design that makes him likeable is the mystery he is... I'd hope for a plot twist done right if they were to reveal his identity, but with how mysterious he is I think it can be really hard to accomplish that without polarizing reactions.
    I would touch upon details, but introduce more mystery with every detail hinted. I.E. so say they reveal David to be Q. I'd IMMEDIATELY, not even waiting for sequel, bring in questions about his powers, his origins and introduce new characters. Or reveal that the guy we played at in SF3 and SF5 is David, but, going with his SF3 ending he's terrified to learn that barley anything he's done is accounted for in the report(s) by Juliana and there's an entire band of doppelgangers. With that, you don't even have to have questions of him questioning his identity, you can have him wondering if someone or group is impersonating him or arriving at a similar aesthetic by coincidence, if someone is trying to catch his attention by deliberately saying "We see you...you can't see us. We will replace you." Heck, if David is a legacy Q, then could it be that his previous colleges are unhappy with who and what he's become? Is it like the Shadow, only Q is part of a global ring of heroes and upon having lives saved by a figure or even force, you are indebted to them and have to serve as an eternal force of justice and David's face is 'borrowed' occasionally?

    You can even keep that he's the sole Q and his powers enable him to be in various parts of the globe due to teleportation, but then focus on WHY he's always investigating murders. Is he aware of something terrible hiding in the shadows that could lead to the next threat now that Bison's days are numbered? Could he be noticing the people killed are targeted by the Illuminati and he's working his way into busting up Gill's plans?

    It'd be a game of constant keep away. If he's always mysterious, but nothing is ever given, there's nothing to have fun with or speculate and he'll quickly become stale. You've got to keep up momentum by dropping crumbs and intersperse that with a cake which has edible directions to a steak festival.
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