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Fightcade ST discussion!

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  • UtilityKeysUtilityKeys Silver Scrub Joined: Posts: 176
    Pof working on integrating a newer FBA

    Hopefully this fixes the issues a lot of us have with newer Windows versions

    Yeah, I see you hiding there in the corner of that tweet, Eternal Champions. Thinking I wouldn't notice.

    I can't believe I'm hitting the lab in Eternal Champions, of all games, in the year 2016. I'mma main Slash when this drops, he's got some long-ass buttons.
    Location: UK, East of England
    Links and Usernames: Steam | Fightcade | CFN/XBL: UtilityKeys
    Currently playing Street Fighter V and Killer Instinct on PC, on break from Super Turbo & 3rd Strike.
    'doukens in asses
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,524
    pof should allow the world warrior hack and enable cheats to use Gill in 3S. Would be interesting to see what happens if Gill is playable along with Shin Gouki online
  • dialupsuckydialupsucky FINAL SHOWDOWN Joined: Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    has anyone ever found a way to make fightcade work better on windows 8? Ive tried playing again and i dunno i guess i thought maybe something might change but its the same reason i quit playing years ago. Fightcade just lags and drops a shitload for me all the time. Anyone ever find out some kinda settings to fix this? I never really had that much of a problem wtih GGPO, and on vista before this. Thanks
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,731
    has anyone ever found a way to make fightcade work better on windows 8? Ive tried playing again and i dunno i guess i thought maybe something might change but its the same reason i quit playing years ago. Fightcade just lags and drops a shitload for me all the time. Anyone ever find out some kinda settings to fix this? I never really had that much of a problem wtih GGPO, and on vista before this. Thanks

    Fightcade, much like GGPO, is running an emulator designed to work with Windows XP. So if you're not on XP, you're not on an optimal setup, and each subsequent OS type has made it more and more finnicky to work with this outdated emulator.

    It's a known problem by Pof, the developer, and he's working on a way to be able to update the emulator for modern use on Windows 7 and up OS. It's a fairly complex problem trying to update old technologies with modern software/hardware, and it not something as simple as a dropdown box.
  • dialupsuckydialupsucky FINAL SHOWDOWN Joined: Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    so still no go bummer.. Its been a couple years since ive tried to play, I was hoping maybe something had changed by now. Oh well ill try again another time thanks!
  • KingCrimsonKingCrimson CFN: OldManRage Joined: Posts: 1,882
    edited March 2017
    Hey guys, I just started playing SSF2X on Fightcade, and I'd like to clarify, when I'm playing against someone else online, the speed setting is configured to Japan Turbo 1, and this cannot be changed?

    I can only change the speed setting when playing offline, and offline Japan Turbo 3 is closest to online Japan Turbo 1?
    CFN & FightCade: OldManRage
    PSN: WhoCares1984
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,731
    Pof is making good progress on the next major update to Fightcade, which updates the emulator to more current versions that run better on modern OSs (W7, W8, W10). Hopefully, when it drops, you guys will have improved connections.

    It is set to Japan-1 because this, combined with added input delay of an outdated emulator and online lag, feels as close as it gets to Japanese-3 in an offline, arcade setting. It's a way to closely emulate offline tournament experiences.
  • KingCrimsonKingCrimson CFN: OldManRage Joined: Posts: 1,882
    eltrouble wrote: »
    Pof is making good progress on the next major update to Fightcade, which updates the emulator to more current versions that run better on modern OSs (W7, W8, W10). Hopefully, when it drops, you guys will have improved connections.

    It is set to Japan-1 because this, combined with added input delay of an outdated emulator and online lag, feels as close as it gets to Japanese-3 in an offline, arcade setting. It's a way to closely emulate offline tournament experiences.
    Great! I just wanted to make sure so I when I play offline, I'm playing at a similar speed. Thanks.
    CFN & FightCade: OldManRage
    PSN: WhoCares1984
    SRK Warriors Forum: http://s15.zetaboards.com/SRK_Asylum/index/
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,524
    My first over 50 battles on FightCade. We were pretty much even. Both of our scores were close towards the end, etc:

    replay:challenge-6873-1490069970.23@ssf2xj
  • SharkFactorSharkFactor Joined: Posts: 4
    Hi folks, I could do with some help!

    Installed Fightcade and have been trying to play ST. I'm getting terrible input lag to the point that its pretty much unplayable, near half a second input delay..no use.

    I'm using win7. nvidia gtx960.

    Have tried a few of the suggestions I can find on google which did make a minor difference but still unplayable.

    Any help, settings advice etc. appreciated.




  • SharkFactorSharkFactor Joined: Posts: 4
    ok.. an update..

    I neglected to mention above that I had bought a Madcatz Brawl Stick yesterday to use with Fightcade.

    Today, I put the Brawl Stick into the PS3 and attempted to play SSF2THDR.. and it was near unplayable.. so I have been googling and it seems it is this shit joystick that is causing the input lag problem.

    I'm going to look for another stick, is the TE Fightstick any better for input lag?
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,731
    It's a pretty shit stick, but here's a list of a few sticks and their input lag results:

    http://www.teyah.net/sticklag/results.html

    As far as Fightcade, not much you can do other than what's commonly listed on Google, "disable aero, change settings, play on a stable, fast, wired internet connection, etc...."

    HDR servers have performed extremely poorly in recent years compared to when it first launched, where the netcode was fairly solid.
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,524
    how is FightCade down during Monday Night Fights...
  • BoggleMindsBoggleMinds Joined: Posts: 335
    Just posting here in case anyone still reads SRK (all three of you =) )
    https://www.reddit.com/r/fightcade/comments/5zpf8j/reducing_input_lag_with_a_simple_fix/
    "My first visit to an arcade changed my life. It was such a sensational experience. The fact I got to play with total strangers and connect with them through the game enthralled me." --Daigo Umehara

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    GGPO Handle: Gizzle
  • crapfacecrapface Joined: Posts: 605
    Where did all the ST people go? Facebook group?
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,731
    crapface wrote: »
    Where did all the ST people go? Facebook group?

    Yup. Facebook, Twitter, Fightcade chat, Discord, LINE, it's all over the place now.
  • crapfacecrapface Joined: Posts: 605
    I have to admit, it's been probably 7 years since I was last here on these forums.
  • BoggleMindsBoggleMinds Joined: Posts: 335
    There was a thread in FGD discussing whether Discord (and presumably FB as well) have "hurt" the FGC more than they've helped. I can see pros and cons, but honestly I still fall firmly in believing forums along with wikis are the overall best medium and should be the primary source of information sharing. It really sucks that people don't use forums anymore. Discord and Facebook are great at providing that instant feedback, but not great at preserving information for others to see. I occasionally read through the character threads here in the ST forum, and I can read discussion and gain insight, tips and tricks from well over a decade ago that's still relevant today. Things like, how to do a standing headbutt with Boxer? Seriously - this stuff is not mentioned anywhere else on the English-language internet as far as I know.
    Obscure tech and tricks that you won't find anywhere else but deep on page 26 of some forum thread..
    "My first visit to an arcade changed my life. It was such a sensational experience. The fact I got to play with total strangers and connect with them through the game enthralled me." --Daigo Umehara

    www.youtube.com/Guoguodi
    GGPO Handle: Gizzle
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,731
    I agree that the forums are the ideal place to preserve information.

    Unfortunately, with modern social media groups, private voice servers, and reddit being a thing, forums are going the way of the dinosaur. I'd rather just compress the information to the SRK ST Wiki since it already has a great foundation for presenting good information alongside its very helpful frame data and hitbox data info. But that also requires someone technically minded to ensure the data in there is accurate, relevant, and needs to be cross-checked by other admins. Don't mind this sort of organization much anymore in the ST scene outside of a few dedicated players willing to share and post information.
  • scratchbackscratchback Joined: Posts: 1,063
    So anyone here still play? Also is there any way to change the computer difficulty? I just wanna practice while in arcade mode and the ai is just annoying.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,731
    So anyone here still play? Also is there any way to change the computer difficulty? I just wanna practice while in arcade mode and the ai is just annoying.

    Plenty of action on Fightcade, though currently people are between Fightcade1 and beta testing Fightcade 2.

    Change CPU difficulty by going into the test menu (check button configs for it), system configuration, and choose your difficulty.
  • scratchbackscratchback Joined: Posts: 1,063
    Thx figured it out, apparently pressing f2 opens up the test menu. Trying to learn this game coming from SF4 and it's been rough to say the least. Getting wrecked constantly lol.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,731
    Thx figured it out, apparently pressing f2 opens up the test menu. Trying to learn this game coming from SF4 and it's been rough to say the least. Getting wrecked constantly lol.

    It's a difficult adjustment. ST has stricter execution requirements and less reliance on combos, which is basically the opposite of the focus of newer SF games, lol. Plus the competition that is still around is usually at minimum at the intermediate level, so there's a bit of a learning curve.

    But ST is nice in that you don't need complex button presses to get the job done. You don't even need combos. Good defense, a sense of spacing is all you really need in many matchups to win! Learn your anti-airs, your main pokes, and how to tech throws on reaction in a downback position, and you can do fairly well. Good luck!
  • scratchbackscratchback Joined: Posts: 1,063
    edited December 2017
    It doesn't help that I'm trying to main Gief lol. Spd's in SF4 and 5 were 100% for me but so far I'm lucky to land 2/10. I have zero mu knowledge so playing a Guile or example seems unwinnable so far. I also find myself trying to tech throws and dash lol so the muscle memory will take a long time to get used to.

    There's one thing that's annoying me though. Whenever I land a jumping attack it seems like the other player is mashing throw and I can't even get a second hit in. Is this a normal strategy in ST? Whenever you get hit with a jumping attack just mash throw? Is the hit/block stun on attacks that much different in this game or am I missing something? If this is a stupid question I'm sorry.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,731
    In SF4/5, there's an SPD shortcut. You technically only need to do a half circle input + one more direction, so they're much easier to do with the shortcut. In SF2, and in most all SF games prior to SF4 era, you need to do at MINIMUm at 3/4 circle motion. It's difficult to do in ST since you it's also a much faster game, so it requires a bit of practice to get the technique down. For me, it helps to only hit the cardinal directions and end in an upforward motion.

    There's several SPDs to do it especially if you apply more advanced methods, but the most basic way I do it is to do start in forward, down, back, up, up+forward + punch. I force myself to do it in up-forward since I have a tendency to press buttons early before I finish left hand motions.

    Landing jumping attacks work differently in ST. There's FAR less hit stun on jump attacks than what you're used to, so what's most likely happening is that you're hitting them too high, and as you land, they're throwing you as you attempt to finish your combo that won't connect. A way to increase your chance of counting this is to either hit your jump attack late, or simply do an SPD as you land and throw them instead of them throwing you.

    And yes, it is a legit defensive tactic depending on the range and spacing and character matchup. They're called sac throws. You can find a lot of good, solid explanations over at the SRK ST Wiki. Easiest to just google it. Great for learning chars too and seeing their frame data and hitboxes.

    And there are no stupid questions. Feel free to ask anything about the game you don't understand or want more info about. Happy to help.
  • SesshomaruSesshomaru Joined: Posts: 599
    Are you the best Sim in USA?
  • scratchbackscratchback Joined: Posts: 1,063
    Quick question- For some reason I tried playing today and something really weird was happening. Every time I pressed rh on my stick the 2 player side would press start. Then my stick would be controlling both players simultaneously wtf? How is this even possible when only one stick is plugged in? Couldn't figure out how to fix this so any help would be appreciated.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,731
    Check the button config? Maybe you assigned HK as P2 start as well? That or a wiring/PCB issue?
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