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  • FrostyAUFrostyAU Lynx in your sinks Joined: Posts: 7,921
    I've got a feeling these Orissa buffs will lead to more death balls. Orissa plus Rein, Lucio plus Mercy and consistent damage like Soldier and maybe a Pharah/McCree flex.

    Hold shields, spam fire through choke points and just methodically grind them off the point.
  • OceanMachineOceanMachine ROCKET LAUNCHER GOD Joined: Posts: 9,017
    Edit: I'd honestly argue that even Lucio requires more positioning attention that Mercy does. The purpose of Mercy's positioning is to avoid damage. Lucio's positioning is now actually about the healing itself since it only reaches 10m. You have to make sure the people who need heals are in range.

    This is absolutely true. With Lucio you have to be in a position where you can run around between people that are getting attacked and people that are pushing, which requires to know how to wall ride to move faster and to climb to high ground. Since you have great mobility you'll also likely be the one who scouts for the enemy team and tell your team what to do.
    With Mercy... well, you just need to have people in your LoS and press shift.
    I don't care about how much skill she takes in the end, but the fact is that her kit doesn't make you develop any transferable skill or any game sense other than "don't die and hide when you need to rez", which is why Mercy mains are often so terrible even if they end up climbing.

    The sad thing is that on lower elos without Mercy I'm 90% guaranteed of not getting any heals as Pharah, because 1. Zens either don't look at me or refuse to put an orb on me 2. Anas are too busy healing tanks or missing me 3. Lucios are sitting on the ground where their aura won't reach me (thanks Jeff). So I'm stuck with whatever wacky Mercy player I get.
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  • Citrus_monkeyCitrus_monkey Joined: Posts: 1,936
    The same way that pharah keep junkrat in check of ever being entirely relevant, doomfist gets equal treatment. I mean, he can't do fucking ANYTHING against her. Just on that merit alone I really don't see him being terribly successful. I feel like they took genji and reaper and attempted to find a happy middle and doomfist is what they came up with, but that he doesn't quite fullfill the role as good as either.
  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Remember me now, Yipes? Joined: Posts: 7,480
    Tbh a big problem with OW right now is how few heroes there are to fill essential roles for every team:
    - Ranged hitscan DPS/Pharah check: Soldier, McCree, Widowmaker, (Bastion?)
    - Main tank: Reinhardt, Winston, (maybe Orisa now?)
    - Healer: Mercy, Ana, Lucio, Zenyatta
  • itzpookiieitzpookiie Joined: Posts: 3,530
    Man
    What were they thinking with doomfist
    4 second cooldown
    what the fuck is this shit

  • jae hoonjae hoon Flames of Justice Joined: Posts: 12,480 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    He doesn't even have the weakness Hog has of being a walking ult machine.
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  • OceanMachineOceanMachine ROCKET LAUNCHER GOD Joined: Posts: 9,017
    edited August 13
    He has the weakness that Hog doesn't have of being a kamikaze. He has one of the lowest KDRs in the game, beaten only by Rein and supports. Which makes sense when you consider his kit.
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  • eviljevilj Joined: Posts: 4,874 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I don't like doomfist.

    This is what I felt when they introduced Guile and Balrog to SFV , way before season 2 began. I was head of the curve and quit way back then.
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  • XthAtGAm3RGuYXXthAtGAm3RGuYX SRK's ResidentSleeper Joined: Posts: 11,744
    And as a DPS with the lowest KD, I guarantee they'll buff him at some point. The ride never ends.
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  • LivewireXLivewireX Joined: Posts: 5,790
    They can buff him all they want, but chances are Pharah is still going to fuck him up.
  • Citrus_monkeyCitrus_monkey Joined: Posts: 1,936
    Today is a sad day because I uninstalled battle.net

    Really can't deal with the stupidity and toxicity of solo queue. The game is simply not fun in the slightest anymore. It's like work.
  • Amazing FunbagsAmazing Funbags The J-Cup Lover Joined: Posts: 17,832
    edited August 14
    LivewireX wrote: »
    They can buff him all they want, but chances are Pharah, Junkrat, Mei, and Sombra are still going to fuck him up.

    FTFY

    Orisa+Torb and/or Mercy is some cheesy shit. Having a character crisis with tanks cause I like using them all except Rein and Hog.
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  • XthAtGAm3RGuYXXthAtGAm3RGuYX SRK's ResidentSleeper Joined: Posts: 11,744
    As much as I've enjoyed getting hate mail from the opposing team, half of it anymore is from stupid fuck dps players on MY team. Yesterday I got so tired of it I had to change PSN settings so only friends can send me messages. Rip in pepperoni, hate mail.
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  • OceanMachineOceanMachine ROCKET LAUNCHER GOD Joined: Posts: 9,017
    edited August 14
    I barely made it back to plat and I'm already annoyed at the idea of losing half of my progress in a couple weeks when the season is over. This game really feels like a Sisyphean task.
    At least I got the Sombra skin.
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  • FrostyAUFrostyAU Lynx in your sinks Joined: Posts: 7,921
    As much as I've enjoyed getting hate mail from the opposing team, half of it anymore is from stupid fuck dps players on MY team. Yesterday I got so tired of it I had to change PSN settings so only friends can send me messages. Rip in pepperoni, hate mail.

    I hate that man. It's like you're playing Support but if it's Lucio when they want a Mercy or an Ana... Like sorry, I'm not a Mercy main. Same as if someone takes Rein and I'm second tank. I'm awful at Zarya and Hog(r.i.p), so it's not going to be one of them.
  • just5moreminutesjust5moreminutes Remember me now, Yipes? Joined: Posts: 7,480
    Irony being that Lucio/Zen are better healer buddies for DPS because of the utility, major healing is only critical for tanks
  • LivewireXLivewireX Joined: Posts: 5,790
    Yeah, exactly. The Mercy/Ana type healing is better suited to back up a D.Va/Zarya/Orisa that's trying to hold the point because YOUR DAMN DPS TEAMMATES DON'T KNOW HOW TO STAY BY THE DAMN THING.

    But even if it wasn't, I'd probably still prefer Lucio more just because of my thought that healing everyone at once in a firefight when you're trying to hold things down is better than just focusing and trying to switch targets while people die because they're not getting healed.
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    anybody watch the world cup qualifiers yesterday?
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  • highluluhighlulu Joined: Posts: 3,814
    Froztey wrote: »
    Mercy is a lot harder to play as soon as you hit high ranks where skilled flankers hunt you.

    You're a completely defenceless hero, you need god tier positioning to make Mercy work at higher SR.

    the annoying thing about playing mercy at higher levels is that not only do you need really good positioning to stay alive as mercy, but you need at least a couple members of your team to understand her positioning so that they are giving you locations to fly to when those flankers come to ruin your day
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  • PterodactylPterodactyl The time has come and so have I Joined: Posts: 7,188
    I'm actually really enjoying DF, took a while to get used to his kit but he's super fun.

    Really needs a team that can deal with Pharah though because she really fucks him up.
    spread'em
  • XthAtGAm3RGuYXXthAtGAm3RGuYX SRK's ResidentSleeper Joined: Posts: 11,744
    Some pretty important info regarding how ridiculous the doomfist charge is. This shit connects from downtown and through entire objects

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  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,066
    What's the best time to play comp and minimize the kids and drunks?
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  • FrozteyFroztey The Ascended One Joined: Posts: 8,463 mod
    LordxMugen wrote: »
    Froztey wrote: »
    Mercy is a lot harder to play as soon as you hit high ranks where skilled flankers hunt you.

    You're a completely defenceless hero, you need god tier positioning to make Mercy work at higher SR.
    I dont know, I find the other healers take a lot more skill then mercy, especially like ana and zen, were you actually need to have good aiming.
    the problem with characters like Ana is most of the people youre trying to heal seem to go out of their way to be make it needlessly difficult for you, which makes it less about skill and more "i wish my team was less potatoes.". I definitely agree with Zen though, i just wish i was good with the offensively minded support. but I mostly play 3s anyway.

    Wasn't comparing, Mercy is easy to play until the enemy team is good enough to know to hunt you in a TF.

    At that point, bad Mercy players are incredibly easy to spot. Her skillcap only increases with the enemy teams skill level. Survival is her skill niche, otherwise you aren't allowed to play and will throw the game for your team.

    Mercy also requires cooperation from teammates in regards to flight targets and focus fire of flankers like Genji and Tracer.
  • Jack_FrostJack_Frost M.C Joined: Posts: 6,516
    Ran into my 2nd booster today. What annoys me more is other people on my team being so dumb to not notice. If someone has 55 hours on mercy, then all of a sudden decided to use widow/mcree the past hour(never playing them before)... Win 7 games 0 losses..and have crazy accuracy..THATS A FUCKING BOOSTER

    I even called him out to not use a character that wouldn't benefit from aimbotting and he didn't respond
    There aren't 50 hours in a 5 day span...
    CRYING
  • Jack_FrostJack_Frost M.C Joined: Posts: 6,516
    CHIEfy wrote: »
    What's the best time to play comp and minimize the kids and drunks?

    Noon to 7pm. Not during the summer
    There aren't 50 hours in a 5 day span...
    CRYING
  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,066
    edited August 15
    Boosting? Aimbot?

    You just reminded me why I avoided comp for the first four seasons.
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  • Jack_FrostJack_Frost M.C Joined: Posts: 6,516
    CHIEfy wrote: »
    Boosting? Aimbot?

    You just reminded me why I avoided comp for the first four seasons.

    I mean it can be in any fps game. I've only seen it twice. Seen a top streamer encounter it once in his game.
    There aren't 50 hours in a 5 day span...
    CRYING
  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,066
    Console needed a report system since launch.
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  • XthAtGAm3RGuYXXthAtGAm3RGuYX SRK's ResidentSleeper Joined: Posts: 11,744
    Weekdays. Before 2pm. Don't even bother doing comp Saturday and Sunday.
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  • OceanMachineOceanMachine ROCKET LAUNCHER GOD Joined: Posts: 9,017
    My best games have been between 11 AM and 2 PM on weekdays. After that it becomes trash.
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  • FrostyAUFrostyAU Lynx in your sinks Joined: Posts: 7,921
    I play at completely random times. I don't advise 3-5am in the morning but that's often when I manage to rank as I've got too much stuff on my plate during the day to game.
  • Amazing FunbagsAmazing Funbags The J-Cup Lover Joined: Posts: 17,832


    Welp good thing I got to experience the cheese before people started bitching.
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  • Jack_FrostJack_Frost M.C Joined: Posts: 6,516
    My best games have been between 11 AM and 2 PM on weekdays. After that it becomes trash.

    You might be right. Yesterday I had 5 games in a row with trolls. All around 5pm. People straight up saying they will not heal or tank. The fifth match I just left mid game. Don't care about sr
    There aren't 50 hours in a 5 day span...
    CRYING
  • itzpookiieitzpookiie Joined: Posts: 3,530
    Is it me or did they reduce end of season ranked rewards
    I recall getting 1000-1200+ for plat last season
    It's at 800 now
    Is that right?
  • OceanMachineOceanMachine ROCKET LAUNCHER GOD Joined: Posts: 9,017
    edited August 17
    It's always been 800.
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  • XthAtGAm3RGuYXXthAtGAm3RGuYX SRK's ResidentSleeper Joined: Posts: 11,744
    I'm glad the latest update broke the loot box rates. After summer games started I went some 50 boxes with absolutely no duplicates. Downloaded a patch today and every crate is nothing but dupes.
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  • CHIEfyCHIEfy Joined: Posts: 1,066
    edited August 17
    Practicing other DPS like Sombra and McCree. Feels good to know how to use them after watching the World Cup.

    I would practice other tanks but that's pointless when nobody plays healers in Quick Play.
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  • LivewireXLivewireX Joined: Posts: 5,790
    Oh man, I feel you on the Healers in Quick Play thing. Some people go to me and are like "we need a Healer, you should do it, you have like 10 Hours with Lucio", completely missing that more than half of that time was me pretty much getting forced to use him in games because otherwise we would literally have nobody healing.

    It's also really frustrating when nobody goes to the point when you're attacking. Like, I've been recently picking up Tracer, so I manage to sneak around to the point and distract the other team's Soldier/Sombra/Zenyatta and make them leave the point giving my remaining 5 teammates about a 45-60 second window to push...and then when I die, I find the other 5 backing away from the point, running in fear from the other team's McCree and Mai. Like...it was 5 on 2 and they were backing down.

    And what was rich was the damn kid on our team got on mic and got mad at me for (justifiably) getting frustrated people weren't moving to the point and bragging about how many kills he had and challenging me to 1v1 him while having practically no objective time. When you get games like this, it never seems to be 1 at a time either, you tend to go like 5-9 games in a row with it. It really is kind of baffling how people can just not get the concept of the game at all.
  • NeesaNeesa Melt in your mouth kind of lovin'. Joined: Posts: 7,105
    lmao... Think how I feel when I roll up in QP.

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    Luckily, I stopped caring if no one picked healer and play whatever I wanna play. And when people start spamming the "I need healing" button, I switch off healer. Fuck that noise.
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  • Jack_FrostJack_Frost M.C Joined: Posts: 6,516
    No one picks healer in comp either
    There aren't 50 hours in a 5 day span...
    CRYING
  • LivewireXLivewireX Joined: Posts: 5,790
    Then I guess they must not (ironically enough) care about being that competitive, lol.
  • Jack_FrostJack_Frost M.C Joined: Posts: 6,516
    They don't. Autism central
    There aren't 50 hours in a 5 day span...
    CRYING
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    https://streamable.com/u4ujp
    Lucioball seems fun on console
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  • XthAtGAm3RGuYXXthAtGAm3RGuYX SRK's ResidentSleeper Joined: Posts: 11,744
    Every game I play in comp has like 3 support mains on both teams. Myself included
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  • VhoziteVhozite Egyptian Goddess Main Joined: Posts: 2,748
    itzpookiie wrote: »
    i quit overwatch
    this is a big fucking joke of a game
    doomfist is the dumbest fucking character
    it doesnt matter if you pick pharah
    he's going to lurk around and instakill someone every 4 seconds

    Pick Sombra.
  • LivewireXLivewireX Joined: Posts: 5,790
    Man, now I've got to wonder. When 2 Doomfists square off, is it as ridiculous as it sounds like it'd be?
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    you didn play 6v6 Doomfist elims when he launched?