USF2 Changelog and Wiki

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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    Random wrote: »
    First I want to say thanks, I was looking for a changelog and appreciate the effort, please keep up the good work. I also have a request; if possible could someone list the changes from an HDR perspective? I am kinda pissed they didn't keep some aspects of that game or allow it as a mode like HDR allowed ST. It is the version I am most familiar with, and I'm probably not alone in that.

    As for the tiers, I'd still put Akuma at the top, with V.Ken & E.Ryu trailing behind as 2nd and 3rd, respectively. E.Ryu seems to take more work to use effectively than V.Ken but their results are both outstanding.

    I think Chun is absolute trash now, stored Super helped her immensely, as did her grab game. Upkicks always sucked, and now she has that shitty backflip kick you gotta be wary of using, not to mention she lost her stomp into SBK for "escape" (didn't really work but it was better than nothing). Also, I like that SBK is better for getting Super faster now but it had some interesting gimmick utility which will be missed.

    Deejay's MGU seems useless now, unless I'm missing something, because I can't combo into it now to save my life. It just hits once and leaves me open. Disappointing since he was my secondary. I think Vega, Honda, and Blanka seem to be indirectly nerfed since their grab game was great. Still above the likes of Chun/Cammy.

    Haven't really tried Bison yet too much but I imagine his grab game is in the toilet, and he relied on it heavily, at least I did. J.mp seems nerfed, not sure it juggles now...

    The game is overall worse than HDR imo, and depending on who you main it may be worse than ST. As a Chun main I would probably prefer ST. Still, fun game. Hopefully another update or version comes along though.

    I wasn't planning on a HDR to USF2 changelog but if someone wants to do it I'll add a section. While I personally loved it, most people here didn't really care for HDR.
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  • RandomRandom Joined: Posts: 323
    x64 wrote: »
    Random wrote: »
    First I want to say thanks, I was looking for a changelog and appreciate the effort, please keep up the good work. I also have a request; if possible could someone list the changes from an HDR perspective? I am kinda pissed they didn't keep some aspects of that game or allow it as a mode like HDR allowed ST. It is the version I am most familiar with, and I'm probably not alone in that.

    As for the tiers, I'd still put Akuma at the top, with V.Ken & E.Ryu trailing behind as 2nd and 3rd, respectively. E.Ryu seems to take more work to use effectively than V.Ken but their results are both outstanding.

    I think Chun is absolute trash now, stored Super helped her immensely, as did her grab game. Upkicks always sucked, and now she has that shitty backflip kick you gotta be wary of using, not to mention she lost her stomp into SBK for "escape" (didn't really work but it was better than nothing). Also, I like that SBK is better for getting Super faster now but it had some interesting gimmick utility which will be missed.

    Deejay's MGU seems useless now, unless I'm missing something, because I can't combo into it now to save my life. It just hits once and leaves me open. Disappointing since he was my secondary. I think Vega, Honda, and Blanka seem to be indirectly nerfed since their grab game was great. Still above the likes of Chun/Cammy.

    Haven't really tried Bison yet too much but I imagine his grab game is in the toilet, and he relied on it heavily, at least I did. J.mp seems nerfed, not sure it juggles now...

    The game is overall worse than HDR imo, and depending on who you main it may be worse than ST. As a Chun main I would probably prefer ST. Still, fun game. Hopefully another update or version comes along though.

    I wasn't planning on a HDR to USF2 changelog but if someone wants to do it I'll add a section. While I personally loved it, most people here didn't really care for HDR.

    Okay, cool. Btw, does anyone know how to invite to friend matches?

    Also, will you guys add me? SSj4_Ryuk.
  • UbersaurusUbersaurus RIP Kinn "ROBOTRON" Joined: Posts: 1,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    HDR was best SF2 next to Hyper Fighting IMO. A changelog for it to Ultra though, like geez - did they keep anything from HDR other than a couple move motions?
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  • VanceVance Dial down the center Joined: Posts: 159 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Random wrote: »
    Also, will you guys add me? SSj4_Ryuk.

    We need your 12 digit friend code from your profile page to add you.

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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    Ubersaurus wrote: »
    HDR was best SF2 next to Hyper Fighting IMO. A changelog for it to Ultra though, like geez - did they keep anything from HDR other than a couple move motions?

    Nope. That's pretty much it besides Sim/Ken/Sagat getting to do reversal supers.
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  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,440
    Ubersaurus wrote: »
    HDR was best SF2 next to Hyper Fighting IMO. A changelog for it to Ultra though, like geez - did they keep anything from HDR other than a couple move motions?

    Agree!
  • RandomRandom Joined: Posts: 323
    Vance wrote: »
    Random wrote: »
    Also, will you guys add me? SSj4_Ryuk.

    We need your 12 digit friend code from your profile page to add you.

    I can't believe they're still using those, geez. I'll have to check, then. Thanks.
  • TelMarineTelMarine Joined: Posts: 37
    Vance wrote: »
    Random wrote: »
    Deejay's MGU seems useless now, unless I'm missing something, because I can't combo into it now to save my life. It just hits once and leaves me open. Disappointing since he was my secondary. I think Vega, Honda, and Blanka seem to be indirectly nerfed since their grab game was great. Still above the likes of Chun/Cammy.

    While trying to research how to get all 4 hits for MGU I bumped into this YouTube video, which basically says to rapidly press fp,mp,lp,mp in that order repeatedly.

    I have deemed this maneuver impossible on a Joycon or Pro Controller and only do the MGU by mistake whenever the Pro Controller reads an up input while trying to do a Max Out, which is a more common problem than you'd think.

    I knew there had to be something going on with the Pro controller d-pad. I often get random fireballs/dragon punches when I'm holding the down-back position.
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    Before I my brook UFB got switch compatibility, I was using the Pro controller. My issue was jump forwards didn't register 1/10 times resulting in a neutral jump. Maddening.
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  • VanceVance Dial down the center Joined: Posts: 159 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited August 17
    TelMarine wrote: »
    I knew there had to be something going on with the Pro controller d-pad. I often get random fireballs/dragon punches when I'm holding the down-back position.

    No kidding! Remember when I was doing those full-screen Machine Gun Uppercuts and eating your hadokens?

    Let's just say it's not because I think the MGU is projectile invulnerable... :|
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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    edited August 18
    Some mystery editor added some USF2 info to the ST wiki along with this list that I missed: http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Super_Street_Fighter_2_Turbo#Game_Mechanics. I'll be adding some new stuff.
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  • VanceVance Dial down the center Joined: Posts: 159 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited August 22
    Hi x64!

    Here's my attempt to list all the character changes that occured between HD Remix and USFII, which I've also posted at my blog.

    + is a buff, - is a nerf, +/- can be interpreted either way.


    Ryu

    - Loses fake fireball (qcf+lk).

    + Increased damage of hadoken and shakunetsu hadoken.

    Ken

    - Input for crazy kicks changed to hcf+k, hcb+k and qcf+k instead of just qcf+k. Makes walkup tatsu impossible.

    +/- Medium shoryuken now hits two times instead of one. Knocks down on second hit, not fully invulnerable on the way up.

    - Hard shoryuken has shorter arc, may leave opponent standing if third hit does not connect.

    +/- Reduced range on hard tatsumaki senpukyaku, but increased its speed and doubled its stun value.

    - Throw traps from knee bash considerably less useful because of throw techs.

    - Reduced range on medium tatsumaki senpukyaku.

    + Increased range on light tatsumaki senpukyaku.

    + Increased damage and range of mk throw (knee bash).

    + Increased damage of hadoken.


    Guile

    - Hard flash kick now travels high and up instead of far forward and diagonally up, with an extended hitbox to match medium and light flash kick.

    +/- Upside down kick no longer an overhead, increased its priority, increased speed to 15 frames instead of 20 and reduced size of hurtbox.

    +/- Super may not connect correctly all the time, charge d+df,f,uf+k option removed, damage increased substantially.

    + Increased damage of Sonic Boom.


    E. Honda

    - J.lk no longer hits sweeps.

    - Throw traps considerably less useful because of throw techs.

    - Distance traveled when steering j.hp left or right reduced.

    - Can no longer "store" ochio throw by holding db after doing the controller motion, then pressing p when ready to do the throw

    + Doubled stun value of ochio throw.

    +/- Hundred hand slap takes more button presses to come out, increased damage and priority.

    - Super can now be countered by opponent's invulnerable move even if the first hit connects, no longer juggles for 50% (3-hits) from certain distances.

    - Light headbutt no longer projectile invulnerable.


    Blanka

    - Electricity takes more button presses to use.

    - Throw mixups and "roll into bite" considerably less useful because of throw techs.

    +/- Horizontal rolling attack recovery time increased, no longer gets damage penalty if hit out of it but much easier to punish even if it connects.

    +/- Increased range of light and medium horizontal rolling attack.

    - Increased startup and recovery time of rainbow roll, making it easy to hit Blanka out of it even if it connects.

    +/- Can no longer hop with lp+lk, mp+mk or hp+hk, generates more super meter. Also decreased frames with foot invulnerability.

    - Increased startup time and recovery time of super, can now be punished even if it connects, does not always knock down the opponent.


    Zangief

    - Hcb+f,p and hcf+b p shortcuts for spinning piledriver removed.

    - Running grab and double suplex command changed to 360+k.

    - Removed lp+lk and hp+hk shortcuts for lariats.

    - Super motion changed to 720+p, making walkup super impractical.

    - Added 4 frames of recovery time to green hand.

    - Slowed down running bear grab.

    - Kick lariat no longer foot invulnerable during first rotation.

    - Punch lariat hitbox reduced so it no longer hits low attacks.

    - Reduced hitbox on j.mp, no longer extends all the way down.

    - Reduced hitbox on c.hp, making it a less viable anti-air.

    - Can now hop with b+mp, f+mp or b+hp in addition to f+hp, slowed down significantly, increased hurtbox making it easier to get countered by low moves.


    Chun Li

    +/- Added new move: df+mk (backflip).

    +/- Lightning legs take more button presses to use, increased damage and stun value significantly, increased priority slightly.

    - Loses ability to "store" super, increased damage output.

    + Neckbreaker (df+hk) can now cross up in some situations, making it difficult to block.

    - Spinning bird kick now travels forward instead of an arc.

    - Can no longer do spinning bird kick after connecting with j.d+mk.

    + Increased damage of Kikoken.


    Dhalsim

    + Increased range on yoga noogie (mp throw).

    - Throw traps considerably less useful because of throw techs.

    + Damage increased on super, can no longer be thrown out of it, removed hurtbox at back of his head during super.

    + Increased meter gain from yoga flame and yoga blast.

    - Yoga flame changed from qcb+p to hcf+p.

    - Yoga blast changed from qcb+k tp hcb+k.

    - Super motion changed to hcfx2+p instead of hcbx2+p.

    - Yoga blast (upward flame) no longer travels upward.

    + Increased damage of yoga fire, yoga flame and yoga blast.


    Cammy

    - Hooligan combination changed from qcf+p to hcf+p.

    - Spinning backfist changed from qcb+p to hcb+p.

    - Spinning backfist no longer has lower body invulnerability, reduced hitbox on second hit.

    - Medium and hard spinning backfist no longer projectile invulnerable.

    - Spiral arrow less safe on block, must be carefully spaced to avoid punish.

    + Increased priority on light spiral arrow.

    + Cannon spike now safe on block.

    + Hitbox increased on j.mp.


    Dee Jay

    - Machine gun uppercut input changed; much more difficult to get all four hits unless you can easily piano all three punch buttons repeatedly.

    - Machine gun uppercut no longer destroys fireballs.

    + Damage and stun values for machine gun uppercut increased significantly.

    - Second hit of dread kicks much more difficult to connect, can now be countered easily if the first hit is blocked.

    - Medium and hard dread kicks no longer go over low attacks.

    + Increased damage of Max Out.

    Fei Long

    - Input for Rekkukyaku (flying kicks) changed to hcf+k.

    - Reduced range on Rekkaken. Also more difficult to connect all three punches in series.

    + Meter gains increased on Shienkyaku (flame kick) and Rekkukyaku.

    + Can combo into Rekkaken after Rekkukyaku.

    +/- Reduced range on super, but head is no longer vulnerable during 4th and 5th hit.

    +/- Light Rekkukyaku has less frames of partial invulnerability, making them more susceptible to fireballs, but they are now safe on block.

    - Medium and hard Shienkyaku don't always knock down.

    + Increased priority and reduced recovery time of Shienkyaku.

    - Can no longer juggle with Shienkyaku after Rekkukyaku.


    T. Hawk

    - Throw setups considerably less useful because of throw techs.

    - Increased size of hurtbox when T. Hawk is standing still.

    - Reduced hitbox on elbow drop, c.lp, j.mp, close s.lk, close s.hk, neutral j.lk, neutral j.mk and far s.mk.

    - Reduced hitbox and damage of neutral j.hp, neutral j.hk, diagonal j.hp and diagonal j.hk.

    - Reduced hitbox for far s.lk, can no longer be special canceled.

    - Reduced hitbox, priority and reach of c.mk.

    - Reduced active hitbox on c.mp.

    - Reduced damage on close s.hp.

    - Reduced priority and damage on s.hp.

    +/- Reduced hitbox on second hit of c.hp, increased its horizonal range on both hits.

    +/- Increased range on far s.hk, but does less damage and will miss some crouching characters.

    - Reduced speed and damage of c.hk.

    - Diagonal j.lk can not be cancelled.

    - Body slam (j.d+hp) does less damage and no longer crosses up against all characters.

    - All versions of Tomahawk Buster no longer guarantee knockdown on hit.

    - Reduced invincibility and damage from medium and hard versions of Tomahawk Buster.

    - No longer possible to do Mexican Typhoon with hcb,f+p or hcf,b+p.

    - No longer possible to do Super with hcbx2,f+p or hcfx2,b+p.

    +/- Condor dive knocks down, no longer safe on block, bounces further back on block or hit.

    + Reduced recovery time after Condor Dive, allowing T. Hawk to land before opponent.

    + Whiff animation no longer occurs after missed Mexican Typhoon.

    + T. Hawk falls faster and lands closer to opponent after connected Mexican Typhoon or Super.


    Balrog

    + Increased throw range.

    + Increased super damage from 50% to 60%.

    + Low rush punch cancel into light headbutt is now safe on block.

    + Increased meter gain on headbutt and early levels of TAP.

    + Reduced recovery time on light and medium headbutt.

    - Medium headbutt no longer projectile invincible.

    - Throw traps considerably less useful because of throw techs.

    - No longer possible to charge TAP by holding down two buttons instead of three.


    Vega

    + Flying Barcelona Attack knocks down on hit.

    - In Spain stage, Vega will climb the cage instead of bouncing off the wall during the Flying Barcelona Attack.

    - Removed fake wall dive (charge d+u,k, press k again when touching wall).

    - No longer possible to combo scarlet terror into scarlet terror except against larger characters.

    - Can no longer pick up the claw if dropped.


    Sagat

    +/- Increased damage and recovery time on all tiger shots.

    - Reduced range of super, does not always knock down on hit.

    - Reduced damage on hard tiger uppercut, now hits multiple times.

    - Can no longer juggle multiple tiger knees.

    + Can now cancel second hit of s.lk.

    - Can not cancel c.mp.


    M. Bison

    - Removed invulnerability frames in beginning of Devil's Reverse.

    - Removed fake slide (df+hk).

    - Tick and cheese throws considerably less useful because of throw techs.

    +/- Hard psycho crusher must be blocked twice, lands closer to opponent.

    - Removed juggling property of neutral j.mp (diagonal j.mp still juggles).

    - Reduced priority on s.lp.

    Akuma

    + Air fireball (zankuu hadouken) no longer causes hop effect, travels the length of the screen instead of a sharp downward angle.

    + Increased distance where gou hadouken causes massive knockback.

    - Input for Shakunetsu Hadoken changed from qcb+p to hcb+p.

    - Input window for shun goku satsu (Raging Demon) is noticeably more difficult.

    - Increased minimum height for zankuu Hadoken.

    + Increased damage of gou Hadoken, shakunetsu hadoken and zankuu hadoken.

    Evil Ryu

    - Has 20% less HP and easier to dizzy than Ryu or Ken.

    - Also doesn't have fake fireball (Like Ultra Ryu).

    + Increased forward walk speed.

    +/- Loses Shinkuu Hadoken but gains Raging Demon (Shun Goku Satsu) super.

    + Air and ground Tatsumaki senpukyaku can now juggle into other tatsus or shoryuken.

    + Greatly increased damage of ground medium or hard tatsumaki senpukyaku when both hits come from outstretched leg instead of the knee.

    +/- Reduced damage of medium shakunetsu hadoken, increased damage of hard shakunetsu hadoken. Both versions result in stunning animation.

    + New move: overhead kick (f+mk).

    + New teleport move: Ashura Senku (dp or rdp + two punches or two kicks).

    + Can do close versions of normals by pressing b+attack button. Expanded hitboxes on back normals.


    Violent Ken

    - Has 20% less HP and easier to dizzy than Ryu or Ken.

    + Increased walk speed.

    +/- Jump speed increased. Violent Ken rises and falls faster than any other shoto.

    + Can juggle with medium shoryuken if hitting opponent out of the air.

    + Increased damage on ground and air tatsumaki senpukyaku, knocks down on hit.

    + Changed trajectory of air tatsumaki senpukyaku horizontally towards opponent, even when jumping backwards.

    + New command dash move: Rasetsukyaku (dp+k).

    + New move: Inazuma kick (f+mk).

    +/- New super move: Shinbu Messatsu (qcfx2+k). Replaces shoryu reppa for a move with more range and combo versatility but less damage.

    A lot of changes! Please let me know if there's anything missing/not 100% correct. Thanks to x64's changelog from ST to USF2, the Sirlin.net blog and the ST Wiki for helping with the research.
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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    edited August 19
    I'll add it but I'm going to put it in a drop down box so the first post doesn't take up the whole page. Thanks for the work!
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  • VanceVance Dial down the center Joined: Posts: 159 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    You're welcome! :)
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  • 7 5 07 5 0 Joined: Posts: 467
    There's been an influx of players increased in HDR lately.
  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,440
    7 5 0 wrote: »
    There's been an influx of players increased in HDR lately.

    Sweet i might setup my xbox360 again
  • VanceVance Dial down the center Joined: Posts: 159 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    In addition to mentioning that fireball damage is increased across the board, it's also worth mentioning that throw damage has been reduced slightly across the board. It says so in Capcom's USF2 Battle Tactics video.
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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    Thanks ^ Also found a new thing today. In ST, when you get a dizzy off a throw, you cannot follow up that dizzy with another throw (you'll just get the normal you used for the normal or command throw). In USF2, you can. This mainly affects Honda, since his ochio throw does so much stun.
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  • BurnYourEgoBurnYourEgo Ishikawa don't care about your weeabullshit avatar. Joined: Posts: 1,997
    edited August 23
    Vance wrote: »
    Yeah, I don't think you'd get a lot of consensus on that tier list. From the people that have played the game on the No Honor Crew Facebook group, there's a very high consensus that the new shotos are busted, Honda is worse in every conceivable way in both his bad and already good match-ups. Being able to tech out of holds hurts some characters immensely, especially Blanka and the Sim vs. Claw fight. This game is pretty much DOA from a competitive standpoint.

    Tbh, I don't remember any version of DOA where people complained about characters being busted as much as the new shotos/Akuma in USF2.

    T. Hawk is garbage tier in this game imo. If he wasn't in the game Blanka would easily be the worst character.

    Where is the No Honor Crew Facebook group? Any place where I can talk/vent about USF2 is therapeutic at best.

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/nohonorcrew/
    It may be put as a secret group that you need an invite too. And yes, I was referring to the game as Dead on arrival. That group just pokes fun at USF2 since it it pretty busted and clearly aimed at casuals. Sorry for the delay in reply, I don't come here often except for the wiki because NHC,Chicago Arcade FGC facebook groups and real life is where I get my discussion fix.
    x64 wrote: »
    Thanks ^ Also found a new thing today. In ST, when you get a dizzy off a throw, you cannot follow up that dizzy with another throw (you'll just get the normal you used for the normal or command throw). In USF2, you can. This mainly affects Honda, since his ochio throw does so much stun.

    That's actually kind of interesting, I'd have to think about how that plays out.
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  • Spirited_AwaySpirited_Away Joined: Posts: 516 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    This is not really a game changing difference but I noticed Vega,Zangiefs and Hawks Super animation now register some hits in the combo meter just like SF4/SFV :|
  • VanceVance Dial down the center Joined: Posts: 159 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I've updated the tier list for Ultra Street Fighter II based off of online data at https://askvance.wordpress.com/2017/09/04/what-is-the-latest-tier-list-for-ultra-street-fighter-ii-september-4-2017/ which now looks like this:

    A: Balrog, Chun Li, Ryu, Violent Ken
    B: Zangief, Dee Jay, Guile
    C: Akuma, Vega, Dhalsim, E. Honda, Ken
    C-: M. Bison, Sagat, Fei Long
    D : Evil Ryu, Cammy
    F: Blanka, T. Hawk

    This means Balrog and Chun Li are the first two characters to have more than 20,000 BPs online. They wouldn't have been my first two guesses, but there you go. :)
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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    edited September 4
    Vance wrote: »
    I've updated the tier list for Ultra Street Fighter II based off of online data at https://askvance.wordpress.com/2017/09/04/what-is-the-latest-tier-list-for-ultra-street-fighter-ii-september-4-2017/ which now looks like this:

    A: Balrog, Chun Li, Ryu, Violent Ken
    B: Zangief, Dee Jay, Guile
    C: Akuma, Vega, Dhalsim, E. Honda, Ken
    C-: M. Bison, Sagat, Fei Long
    D : Evil Ryu, Cammy
    F: Blanka, T. Hawk

    This means Balrog and Chun Li are the first two characters to have more than 20,000 BPs online. They wouldn't have been my first two guesses, but there you go. :)

    Again I would warn against drawing too much off of BP. The top Chun-li for example (I think his name is Branch or something) is really not a good Chun. On top of that, he'll block you outright if you win too much against him. I also notice a lot of high BP/low PP among the top BP players, which like SF4 is something that is too easy to achieve and devalues BP.

    On a separate note, I noticed you mention Balrog losing his "throw loops" on your blog. While he technically loses a safejump throw off his hold against mirror Rog and Fei, his throw loop game (walk under tick after throw) is still a strong as ever. At least that's been my experience. I rarely if ever even get them teched.
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  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,440
    Yeah i had the same experience with the Branch Chun. He will avoid you if you start beating him. Also dont see how Zangief would be B rank & is above Akuma. Akuma should be the very top.
  • VanceVance Dial down the center Joined: Posts: 159 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    rcaido wrote: »
    Yeah i had the same experience with the Branch Chun. He will avoid you if you start beating him. Also dont see how Zangief would be B rank & is above Akuma. Akuma should be the very top.

    I firmly believe that avoiding matches in the long term will either a) cause other characters to pass you in the ranks or b) cause another player playing your character to eventually pass you. Until then Branch is the best USF2 Chun Li in the world.

    These numbers are made even crazier by that 18339BP Zangief player though. Has anyone played him? I've seen his matches online and his gameplay looks solid but I know videos don't compare to playing them in person.
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  • VanceVance Dial down the center Joined: Posts: 159 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    x64 wrote: »
    Again I would warn against drawing too much off of BP. The top Chun-li for example (I think his name is Branch or something) is really not a good Chun. On top of that, he'll block you outright if you win too much against him. I also notice a lot of high BP/low PP among the top BP players, which like SF4 is something that is too easy to achieve and devalues BP.

    BPs are definitely easier to get than PP, that's for sure. I hope the PP/BP system doesn't encourage people to stop experimenting with more characters. And if you're tier whoring, Balrog, Chun Li, Ryu and Violent Ken sound like a pretty good lineup.
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  • Spirited_AwaySpirited_Away Joined: Posts: 516 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Not sure if the following info useful but I've been testing how the new input leniency system works and to my shock it's exactly like SF4 you can DP while crouching (DF,D,DF) you can SPD with only 4 directional inputs (F,B,D,U :o ) !
  • Big OBig O Joined: Posts: 381
    Not sure if the following info useful but I've been testing how the new input leniency system works and to my shock it's exactly like SF4 you can DP while crouching (DF,D,DF) you can SPD with only 4 directional inputs (F,B,D,U :o ) !

    That SPD motion works in ST (which is also the optimal way to do it). One of the main things making old school SPD hard for noobs/pad warriors is the fact that diagonal inputs don't count at all and skipping one of the 4 main directions (like going from DF to DB without going to D for at least one frame) renders your entire motion useless.

    AFAIK the only diagonal inputs that work for SPD in this game are UF and UB after HCF/HCB. Otherwise, diagonal inputs pretty much don't do anything.
  • Spirited_AwaySpirited_Away Joined: Posts: 516 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Big O wrote: »
    Not sure if the following info useful but I've been testing how the new input leniency system works and to my shock it's exactly like SF4 you can DP while crouching (DF,D,DF) you can SPD with only 4 directional inputs (F,B,D,U :o ) !

    That SPD motion works in ST (which is also the optimal way to do it). One of the main things making old school SPD hard for noobs/pad warriors is the fact that diagonal inputs don't count at all and skipping one of the 4 main directions (like going from DF to DB without going to D for at least one frame) renders your entire motion useless.

    AFAIK the only diagonal inputs that work for SPD in this game are UF and UB after HCF/HCB. Otherwise, diagonal inputs pretty much don't do anything.

    Your right I just confirmed it in ST works like this F,D,B,U+P (Foward,Down,Back,Up+Punch) or the opposite but in USF2 it also works but you can start from Forward to Back and then go down and up + punch which I believe is just a result of the new leniency.
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    Coincidentally watched a Zangief vs Guile 10k money match with Itazan and Daigo. Crazy stuff.
  • VanceVance Dial down the center Joined: Posts: 159 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited September 9
    rcaido wrote: »
    Yeah i had the same experience with the Branch Chun. He will avoid you if you start beating him.

    On that note Branch's 20000BP+ Chun Li was running away from my 1000BP Akuma in Ranked yesterday. :| It's a shame, really. We both still have so much to learn.
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    Played a lot of HD Remix
  • Hanzo_HasashiHanzo_Hasashi Primal Rage rules Joined: Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Off topic: this game support/has a replay saving system?
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    Off topic: this game support/has a replay saving system?

    Yes it does! For ranked/non-ranked netplay anyway. Forgot if you can record local matches.
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,255
    rcaido wrote: »
    Yeah i had the same experience with the Branch Chun. He will avoid you if you start beating him. Also dont see how Zangief would be B rank & is above Akuma. Akuma should be the very top.

    lol, Branch Chun a scrub?
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    Will you guys add me? FC: SW-5274-7158-2805.
  • VanceVance Dial down the center Joined: Posts: 159 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Random wrote: »
    Will you guys add me? FC: SW-5274-7158-2805.

    Added, though I'll admit I stopped playing this game after it devolved to

    1) Playing matches against Violent Ken
    2) Players leaving matches if I picked Violent Ken

    Broken character be broken, yo.
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  • RandomRandom Joined: Posts: 323
    The "#1" Chun Li, named "branch," is a real pussy. I usually run Violent Ken to see who the opponent mains, and if it isn't a shoto (except Ryu maybe) I'll generally switch to Chun next. I knew if Branch had a struggle against me he would run so I threw the Chun vs V.Ken double perfect to keep him interested in free points. As expected, I manipulated him flawlessly, I never saw someone click rematch so fast. I chose Chun next. After a struggle he ran away immediately, as expected. That stupid, predictable coward isn't even too great, although he is admittedly pretty decent, but just not great. If he'd run 1st to 10 I am fairly certain I'd win, but you can't even get the full 3 matches in with that scrub.

    My name is now "branchPUSS" for the foreseeable future.
  • RandomRandom Joined: Posts: 323
    Vance wrote: »
    Random wrote: »
    Will you guys add me? FC: SW-5274-7158-2805.

    Added, though I'll admit I stopped playing this game after it devolved to

    1) Playing matches against Violent Ken
    2) Players leaving matches if I picked Violent Ken

    Broken character be broken, yo.

    Lol yeah, don't forget the tons of Akumas and Evil Ryu stragglers. It's like Shoto Fighter now, more than ever.
  • Hanzo_HasashiHanzo_Hasashi Primal Rage rules Joined: Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Random wrote: »
    The "#1" Chun Li, named "branch," is a real pussy. I usually run Violent Ken to see who the opponent mains, and if it isn't a shoto (except Ryu maybe) I'll generally switch to Chun next. I knew if Branch had a struggle against me he would run so I threw the Chun vs V.Ken double perfect to keep him interested in free points. As expected, I manipulated him flawlessly, I never saw someone click rematch so fast. I chose Chun next. After a struggle he ran away immediately, as expected. That stupid, predictable coward isn't even too great, although he is admittedly pretty decent, but just not great. If he'd run 1st to 10 I am fairly certain I'd win, but you can't even get the full 3 matches in with that scrub.

    My name is now "branchPUSS" for the foreseeable future.

    I dont know how Nintendo handles this these days, but you still cant message other players?
  • VanceVance Dial down the center Joined: Posts: 159 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Random wrote: »
    Lol yeah, don't forget the tons of Akumas and Evil Ryu stragglers. It's like Shoto Fighter now, more than ever.

    I bet you're getting a lot of Akumas and Evil Ryus because they think they're counterpicking your Chun Li. Evil Ryu is a low tier character in USF2 but he's great vs. Chun Li.

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    Played a lot of HD Remix
  • EmblemLordEmblemLord Lord of all Lords Joined: Posts: 5,782
    How is a character with E.Ryus options, low tier?
    Play me in Ultra plz. PSN is EmblemLord. Yes I play Sagat....STOP FUCKING LAUGHING AT ME!!!!
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