Are gamers full of negativity? Why are there so many complaints in every game?

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  • SkullboySkullboy Drinking With Skeletons. Joined: Posts: 12,479
    Are gamers full of negativity?

    Most of them, yeah. Because there's definitely more good than there is bad out there.

    But it's easier to bitch and moan about shit you're not gonna play anyway, so yeah. Here we are.
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  • Citrus_monkeyCitrus_monkey Joined: Posts: 2,050
    Too much free time.
    That's it. Ive been disappointed by tons of games lately but I have better things to do. Ffxv was the last thing I bitched about extensively but that's because that was an unfinished, unpolished, untested mess if SHIT. A literal steal that was maybe 70% done at launch at best.
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    Too much free time.
    That's it. Ive been disappointed by tons of games lately but I have better things to do. Ffxv was the last thing I bitched about extensively but that's because that was an unfinished, unpolished, untested mess if SHIT. A literal steal that was maybe 70% done at launch at best.

    So still more game that EA/Dice Star wars Battle front
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    Darksakul wrote: »
    Too much free time.
    That's it. Ive been disappointed by tons of games lately but I have better things to do. Ffxv was the last thing I bitched about extensively but that's because that was an unfinished, unpolished, untested mess if SHIT. A literal steal that was maybe 70% done at launch at best.

    So still more game that EA/Dice Star wars Battle front

    While that's true...I still had 500x more fun in that game.
    While this is it the topic for it, I'll say that even though battlefront was monumental rip off it was still fun. At least for me. Doesn't excuse the shitty business practice though.

    Back to the topic though I notice most of the overly toxic and negative gamers are either anorexically thin and wear cat ears or obese and pimply.
    You all know it's true.
  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 23,807
    odin wrote: »
    Everyone in the world complains about something they have a vested interest in.
    Especially if it lets them down.

    Let it be comics, card games, video games, tv shows, sport teams, you name it.

    I wonder how many of the people who complains about gamers negativity has seen a sport fan go on a rant about his team, or their national soccer team for example.
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  • Nobus3r1Nobus3r1 #RiseUp? Joined: Posts: 5,509
    What's the different between free dlc at launch and default content exactly?
    If the DLC will eventually become not free then it's a way to fuck over people who don't, depending on the publisher, either buy your game at launch or pre-order it.
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  • Kalyx triaDKalyx triaD Serious Business Joined: Posts: 3,208
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    One could interpret that as rewarding early adopters, since priority would be on potential buyers rather than people who don't buy it. It's really hard to gauge in this era.

    Don't think people aren't looking at Titanfall 2, a game that literally avoided everything people hate about sales tactics while being a good game, still didn't smash sales charts and the population is 'eh'.

    We would need a fighting with exactly zero DLC or season passes, not so much as extra costumes, to launch. For $80. Then we'll see if the FGC puts their money where their mouth is.
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    Nobus3r1 wrote: »
    What's the different between free dlc at launch and default content exactly?
    If the DLC will eventually become not free then it's a way to fuck over people who don't, depending on the publisher, either buy your game at launch or pre-order it.

    I don't really see how is fucking over if the dlc becomes not free after some time.
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  • pootnanniespootnannies mr. negative Joined: Posts: 3,170
    Are gamers full of negativity?

    Most of them, yeah. Because there's definitely more good than there is bad out there.

    But it's easier to bitch and moan about shit you're not gonna play anyway, so yeah. Here we are.

    so the solution is get rid of the internet then. hmm.


    SFV and MVCI are sub-par compared to past titles. Capcom keeps fucking up but i don't think they can continue doing business like this forever. i don't think i'd buy SF6 now until it's been out for a while and it looks more fun than frustrating. SFV treatment was/is very frustrating so it's understandable to see people bitch, but i can see how all that can get to others and annoy them too.

    it's causing two extremes: excessive negativity and shilling.


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  • HNIC MikeHNIC Mike Joined: Posts: 10,691
    Yea as much as people complain about dlc theres an awful lot if people that still buy it. I cant see itgoing anywhere since it gives them extended cash flow
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    HNIC Mike wrote: »
    Yea as much as people complain about dlc theres an awful lot if people that still buy it. I cant see itgoing anywhere since it gives them extended cash flow

    DLC's by themselves are not a problem, is the way some companies have been handling them.
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  • HNIC MikeHNIC Mike Joined: Posts: 10,691
    Hecatom wrote: »
    HNIC Mike wrote: »
    Yea as much as people complain about dlc theres an awful lot if people that still buy it. I cant see itgoing anywhere since it gives them extended cash flow

    DLC's by themselves are not a problem, is the way some companies have been handling them.

    People buy the shitty ones tho too

    To the point that it just seems like empty complaints.
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    I think another factor that goes along with being invested in something is; coming realization that one's voice is probably in the minority, which means the sales data isn't going to do your favorite franchise and/or developer any favors when looking to get funding for a new game. That used to get on my nerves back in the day, but it is what it is really.
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    Darksakul wrote: »
    Too much free time.
    That's it. Ive been disappointed by tons of games lately but I have better things to do. Ffxv was the last thing I bitched about extensively but that's because that was an unfinished, unpolished, untested mess if SHIT. A literal steal that was maybe 70% done at launch at best.

    So still more game that EA/Dice Star wars Battle front

    While that's true...I still had 500x more fun in that game.
    While this is it the topic for it, I'll say that even though battlefront was monumental rip off it was still fun. At least for me. Doesn't excuse the shitty business practice though.

    Back to the topic though I notice most of the overly toxic and negative gamers are either anorexically thin and wear cat ears or obese and pimply.
    You all know it's true.

    The EA/Dice game despite looking pretty is not the Old series in terms of Fun and Game Modes.
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    It's because bitching about games is oftentimes more fun than actually playing the games.

    I mean, that's the truth. If it wasn't the truth, they'd be playing the games instead.

    In all seriousness, the good games typically don't have marketing budgets or brand recognition so they often remain unknown. All the time-tested household name brands and IPs are controlled by megacorps that don't want mild successes, they want absolute jackpots, so we see all of our favorite games and characters getting loaded down with overpriced DLC (MvCI) sometimes announced before the game has even gone gold (DBFZ), lootboxes in games that by their nature suffer from their inclusion (Shadow of War), pay-to-win mechanics that undermine even the mildest of competitive viability (Battlefront II), and I'm sure dozens of other transgressions, like DLC Matchmaking (Activision) and other bullshit. It's no longer about what gamers want, it's about what gamers are willing to pay for.

    That said, I think there will be good games out there, simply because a lot of smaller companies and developers don't have brand recognition to use as a crutch so they actually HAVE to make good games to stand a chance. It's just, I think more and more you are going to see that only happen with smaller companies, and more and more you're going to see the household name games become nothing more than vehicles for virtual marketplaces.
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  • FrostyAUFrostyAU Lynx in your sinks Joined: Posts: 8,702
    edited October 25
    As someone that's played a lot of ranked games like WoW arenas, LoL, Overwatch etc.

    The people that get past the tilt and the complaints are often high ranked players in any game they get on.

    I've got a friend who used to play for Quantic Gaming and I've played with him in games he's new at and he's ass at first. He doesn't stay ass though as he knows how to learn and improve and not bitch constantly.

    It's just too hard a pill to swallow for some people that they might be the reason they're struggling
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  • ParasoulParasoul Reporting for Duty! Joined: Posts: 275
    Stop being a corporate shill maybe OP?
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    Vestax wrote: »
    Maybe I'm an old fart but is the newer generation full of hatred or something? Do they feel self entitled or are they really passionate about their hobbies?
    po pimpus wrote: »
    You want to enjoy your shit game? Go ahead. Just know that I will ALWAYS be here. Every shitty DLC scheme, every trolling ass costume, every time Combofunction says something dumb, you can be guaranteed that I will appear to drop an expletive filled verbal carpet bombing.

    Think you got your answer
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  • PsychobluePsychoblue the Conductor of the Hype Train Joined: Posts: 2,930
    locoghoul wrote: »
    Vestax wrote: »
    Maybe I'm an old fart but is the newer generation full of hatred or something? Do they feel self entitled or are they really passionate about their hobbies?
    po pimpus wrote: »
    You want to enjoy your shit game? Go ahead. Just know that I will ALWAYS be here. Every shitty DLC scheme, every trolling ass costume, every time Combofunction says something dumb, you can be guaranteed that I will appear to drop an expletive filled verbal carpet bombing.

    Think you got your answer

    I don't even know what Po (or a lot of Mega Man fanatics) want anymore. You want the actual Mega Man back? Cool, here's X and Sigma in prominent main event roles in MVCI. That's not good enough, X is too limited (WTF are some people expecting, Robot Dante?). You want a new Mega Man game? Cool, he's coming back next year along with a new TV series. That's not good enough, his face is weird (have you seen him in Sm4sh? He looks even weirder there). Capcom even released a classic style Street Fighter x Mega Man FOR FREE after paying off a fan to give them the rights to the fan game he made rather than issue a cease-and-desist like so many other companies to fan projects. Nope, that's not good enough either.

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    I just want Legends and Battle Network back. Honestly the best Megaman ever was imo.
  • VestaxVestax Blends No. 27 Joined: Posts: 1,509
    Parasoul wrote: »
    Stop being a corporate shill maybe OP?

    I'm not trying to be that label or taking sides. Complaints, concerns, and criticism is good and has always been beneficial for any type of business. It's the excessive grumbling, whining, wailing, sorrowing over spilled milk that people have a lot of time for is what I don't understand.
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  • GasarakiGasaraki Joined: Posts: 8,908 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Vestax wrote: »
    Parasoul wrote: »
    Stop being a corporate shill maybe OP?

    I'm not trying to be that label or taking sides. Complaints, concerns, and criticism is good and has always been beneficial for any type of business. It's the excessive grumbling, whining, wailing, sorrowing over spilled milk that people have a lot of time for is what I don't understand.

    Well, luckily you have a thread full of good (and not so good) responses, so now you do understand.
  • ParasoulParasoul Reporting for Duty! Joined: Posts: 275
    Vestax wrote: »
    Parasoul wrote: »
    Stop being a corporate shill maybe OP?

    I'm not trying to be that label or taking sides. Complaints, concerns, and criticism is good and has always been beneficial for any type of business. It's the excessive grumbling, whining, wailing, sorrowing over spilled milk that people have a lot of time for is what I don't understand.

    Valid complaints are not entitlements tbh. Like a broken net code for a fighting game that has no little to no modes, cutting your roster in half in favor of dlc or a game breaking glitch that never gets patched.
  • King of penguinsKing of penguins Joined: Posts: 409
    What's the different between free dlc at launch and default content exactly?
    Those who dont buy the game at launch dont get the dlc for free.
  • AKIAKI R.E.L.A.X Joined: Posts: 913
    I never understood why people are so passionate about shit that doesn't even appeal to them. Someone care to explain? because, I mean, if I see anything (just in general) that doesn't interest me I just... look the other way.
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    Psychoblue wrote: »
    locoghoul wrote: »
    Vestax wrote: »
    Maybe I'm an old fart but is the newer generation full of hatred or something? Do they feel self entitled or are they really passionate about their hobbies?
    po pimpus wrote: »
    You want to enjoy your shit game? Go ahead. Just know that I will ALWAYS be here. Every shitty DLC scheme, every trolling ass costume, every time Combofunction says something dumb, you can be guaranteed that I will appear to drop an expletive filled verbal carpet bombing.

    Think you got your answer

    I don't even know what Po (or a lot of Mega Man fanatics) want anymore. You want the actual Mega Man back? Cool, here's X and Sigma in prominent main event roles in MVCI. That's not good enough, X is too limited (WTF are some people expecting, Robot Dante?). You want a new Mega Man game? Cool, he's coming back next year along with a new TV series. That's not good enough, his face is weird (have you seen him in Sm4sh? He looks even weirder there). Capcom even released a classic style Street Fighter x Mega Man FOR FREE after paying off a fan to give them the rights to the fan game he made rather than issue a cease-and-desist like so many other companies to fan projects. Nope, that's not good enough either.

    Right, this is the problem I see with a load of people that I can only describe as anti capcom. They are impossible to make happy, and why should capcom invest tons and tons of money on something *impossible*.

    Don't get me wrong, there is some actual good criticism, but it is drowned out by all the nonsense.

    Worst part is that a huge fraction of those players won't move on to something else despite that very action being a threat... I'm still waiting to play on Xrd rev 2 and Kof14.

  • Midnight_IguanaMidnight_Iguana I play 3d fighters & mkxl. Joined: Posts: 209
    edited October 31
    If the game doesn't suit your tastes, skip it.
    [Any sf game after ultra]
    Mvci was the best mvc I've touched so far so all is well.
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  • bumpyfacebumpyface Joined: Posts: 14
    I'm sorry to say that we have a generation of pussies out here among the FGC. Every single fighter out there has flaws and strong points, some more than others. I'm not sure why Capcom has become the target of so much hatred but I feel for them. Capcom has become the scape goat, so much as others games are getting passes on the same flaws that people castrate Capcom over. For example, Tekken 7's large amount of input delay (especially PS4 version). Remember when SFV had all of that input delay, before Capcom addressed it? Got there asses handed to em by the FGC. BN hasn't addressed input delay or it's ridiculous load times but they aren't getting any shit from the community. Capcom get's flamed for dlc and season passes and what have you. It's the same shit that every other company does, but nobody get's the rod like Capcom does. All I'm saying is share the hatred. Don't torch Capcom for doing what every other publisher is doing. I'm not saying we should have low expectations, all I'm saying is share the hatred. Oh, and if you think I'm extra with the "pussies out here among the FGC," just remember my post when you come across one of em in a casual match. It will be the one that wins the 1st out of 3, but will terminate the set and run with their 1 win LOL.
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    tataki wrote: »
    Are gamers full of negativity about DBFZ? Or only in response to actual disappointments like MVCI?

    I promise you people will find something to bitch about come Jan or Feb. Whenever the damn game comes out.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 24,292
    chadouken! wrote: »
    bumpyface wrote: »
    I'm sorry to say that we have a generation of pussies out here among the FGC. Every single fighter out there has flaws and strong points, some more than others. I'm not sure why Capcom has become the target of so much hatred but I feel for them. Capcom has become the scape goat, so much as others games are getting passes on the same flaws that people castrate Capcom over. For example, Tekken 7's large amount of input delay (especially PS4 version). Remember when SFV had all of that input delay, before Capcom addressed it? Got there asses handed to em by the FGC. BN hasn't addressed input delay or it's ridiculous load times but they aren't getting any shit from the community. Capcom get's flamed for dlc and season passes and what have you. It's the same shit that every other company does, but nobody get's the rod like Capcom does. All I'm saying is share the hatred. Don't torch Capcom for doing what every other publisher is doing. I'm not saying we should have low expectations, all I'm saying is share the hatred. Oh, and if you think I'm extra with the "pussies out here among the FGC," just remember my post when you come across one of em in a casual match. It will be the one that wins the 1st out of 3, but will terminate the set and run with their 1 win LOL.

    @po pimpus
    (for when he gets back)

    LOL. That is if Po comes back.
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  • HecatomHecatom Aka Black Gorilla (・Д・)ノ Joined: Posts: 23,807
    Darksakul wrote: »
    chadouken! wrote: »
    bumpyface wrote: »
    I'm sorry to say that we have a generation of pussies out here among the FGC. Every single fighter out there has flaws and strong points, some more than others. I'm not sure why Capcom has become the target of so much hatred but I feel for them. Capcom has become the scape goat, so much as others games are getting passes on the same flaws that people castrate Capcom over. For example, Tekken 7's large amount of input delay (especially PS4 version). Remember when SFV had all of that input delay, before Capcom addressed it? Got there asses handed to em by the FGC. BN hasn't addressed input delay or it's ridiculous load times but they aren't getting any shit from the community. Capcom get's flamed for dlc and season passes and what have you. It's the same shit that every other company does, but nobody get's the rod like Capcom does. All I'm saying is share the hatred. Don't torch Capcom for doing what every other publisher is doing. I'm not saying we should have low expectations, all I'm saying is share the hatred. Oh, and if you think I'm extra with the "pussies out here among the FGC," just remember my post when you come across one of em in a casual match. It will be the one that wins the 1st out of 3, but will terminate the set and run with their 1 win LOL.

    @po pimpus
    (for when he gets back)

    LOL. That is if Po comes back.

    I am travelling to namek as we speak to revive him again.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 24,292
    edited October 31
    Hecatom wrote: »
    Darksakul wrote: »
    chadouken! wrote: »
    bumpyface wrote: »
    I'm sorry to say that we have a generation of pussies out here among the FGC. Every single fighter out there has flaws and strong points, some more than others. I'm not sure why Capcom has become the target of so much hatred but I feel for them. Capcom has become the scape goat, so much as others games are getting passes on the same flaws that people castrate Capcom over. For example, Tekken 7's large amount of input delay (especially PS4 version). Remember when SFV had all of that input delay, before Capcom addressed it? Got there asses handed to em by the FGC. BN hasn't addressed input delay or it's ridiculous load times but they aren't getting any shit from the community. Capcom get's flamed for dlc and season passes and what have you. It's the same shit that every other company does, but nobody get's the rod like Capcom does. All I'm saying is share the hatred. Don't torch Capcom for doing what every other publisher is doing. I'm not saying we should have low expectations, all I'm saying is share the hatred. Oh, and if you think I'm extra with the "pussies out here among the FGC," just remember my post when you come across one of em in a casual match. It will be the one that wins the 1st out of 3, but will terminate the set and run with their 1 win LOL.

    @po pimpus
    (for when he gets back)

    LOL. That is if Po comes back.

    I am travelling to namek as we speak to revive him again.

    Can't, it's a fixed moment in time.
    Not even Dr Who can help Po.
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    No problem for this guy :coffee:

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