A Litany of Hate: The Front Page Sucks

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  • Kanta-KunKanta-Kun Magnudisto... BLAAAAAAAST Joined: Posts: 5,545
    The combo video overload is ridiculous and disgusting. It's like this: Marvel is my main game. I fucking love it and I play magneto. I love combos, I really do. But srsly, week 1, there were at least 3 articles on the front page about "Magneto still has it". Not only is it kind of false advertisement (he doesn't have IT, he has some other shit) I don't need to look at the same combos over and over again. That's why I have the character specific forums. That's where all the combo videos go.

    Now, if it's some sick-ass compilation with very original stuff, like Combonauts and full Desk CMVs, that's fine, by all means, post it DAILY COMPILATION. But a video with a small example of "new technology" is extremely retarded outside character forums.

    Frontpage is for important things, like Tom and David's articles, Tournament results, important news about upcoming games (and holy shit, I am not talking about repeating every single Soul Calibur, ASSFxTekken and DoA "news" and video), in-depth reviews of FG related products (like the eightarc one) and SMART columns, like the one about the psychology behind learning combos and stuff.

    No offense to d3v, but c'mon dude, you're in a position of power, dropping the ball.
    MyLifeisanRPG, you post way too much shit. You have some good stuff up there,that's for sure, but 70% of it is one useless video. Srsly, annoying.
    iantothemax, same.
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  • PreppyPreppy act like you're used to it Joined: Posts: 14,456 admin
    Prioritize, maybe? My friend writes a popular(?) tech blog: he has articles written out for every day for the next three years at this point: there's no shame in having a queue to publish through over time. I believe the people at Failblog talk about this (I at least know I heard Ben talk about it at the last event I went to of theirs) : having a consistent but not overwhelming flow of media is key to their strategy.

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  • IdunoIduno ...what to put here Joined: Posts: 5,539
    I kind of wish there were less of these "combo guides" and a few more articles on the neutral game in current fighters, it really seems to be the big unknown, so much of the time you can find 101 different ways to efficiantly change a hit into a half hp beatdown, but articles about how to actually get that hit in seem almost none existant in the present day.

    I know this requires a lot of effort and knowledge on the said fighters, and could even be tacit knowledge rather than something that's easy to teach by hand, but I feel it would be more interesting and more useful to newbies than the current trend in articles which seem to almost imply that fighting games are all about the combos.

    Even the more realistic option of just bringing some of the older articles on the more strategic side of fighters like Maj's article on footsies (with the respective autors permissions of course) would be a nice step forward from the current combo overload imo.
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  • LittleJimmy1983LittleJimmy1983 Darksakul for mod 2018 Joined: Posts: 942
    Who cares about practical combos? I want to see the crazy impractical ones. I could care less about BnB's I figured out on my own after 5 minutes in practice mode.
    I've noticed this phenomenon and it's really weird to me. Why the heck is there such an aversion to real demonstrations of skill and creativity :looney:.
    I think people have finally realized that skill and creativity don't necessarily translate into winning. With damage and combo scaling in games it makes it pointless to try and have a 99+hit combo.
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  • maziodynemaziodyne Demi-Fiend Joined: Posts: 7,748
    real talk, I have some Dr. Strange tech that I'd like to turn in to the front page (and uploading as of this posting) but now I'm second-guessing whether or not to submit a tip. >__> fuck it, I'll just leave it in the character forum until somebody tells me to. lol.

    just gonna chime in on this since I just saw this topic. in all honestly, I find the amount of CVs that take up one whole article excessive. submitted CVs (and tech I guess, depending on how valuable it might be for the character/s) should be limited to just roundups. wait for people to submit them until you hit a quota or something to reduce the clutter. like what Kanta-kun said earlier I don't wanna see UMvC3 Mags videos showing "he still has it" nor do I care about Zero combos since he does a fuckton of damage and we get it already; no need to post the same combo with minor tweaks and variations to add a teensy bit of damage.

    honestly the only time I see the front page as a valuable source of info is on tournament results. that and the new character reveals/trailers for UMvC3. and the CPS2 FG combo vids that get posted every now and then because they're a hell of a lot more entertaining than Team Trenchcoat Mafia combos.
  • irl II Wilsonirl II Wilson Play third strike,its a good game. Joined: Posts: 422
    regardless of our views i doubt the front page will change from combo videos
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  • *Onslaught**Onslaught* Truly Outrageous Rushdown Joined: Posts: 900
    I don't mind ads because I know it brings in revenue, but holy shit are they intrusive.
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  • Duck StrongDuck Strong Yin to all Yang Joined: Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I think people have finally realized that skill and creativity don't necessarily translate into winning. With damage and combo scaling in games it makes it pointless to try and have a 99+hit combo.

    I don't see how this is any kind of revelation. Just because people are noticing this now, combo videos should be boring BnB's over and over? That makes no sense.

    Most people on this site are too lazy to even do the easy shit and can't even grasp what's really going on in more elaborate combo videos anyway. It's fucking hilarious that they decide go all armchair professional and surmise that "those combos aren't practical enough, boo."

    Seriously, gimme a break. Enjoy it for what it is and stop whining. Try to understand the core concept and find ways to apply it to practical situations.
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  • SurenioSurenio Joined: Posts: 1,108
    I don't see how this is any kind of revelation. Just because people are noticing this now, combo videos should be boring BnB's over and over? That makes no sense.

    Most people on this site are too lazy to even do the easy shit and can't even grasp what's really going on in more elaborate combo videos anyway. It's fucking hilarious that they decide go all armchair professional and surmise that "those combos aren't practical enough, boo."

    Seriously, gimme a break. Enjoy it for what it is and stop whining. Try to understand the core concept and find ways to apply it to practical situations.
    Not to mention the point of combo videos is to show what the characters are able to do within the confines of the engine, not tell you what combos you should be doing in matches, over and over and over again. SF4 and MVC3 don't make for good combo videos however.
  • Lan_DiLan_Di George Costanza Joined: Posts: 1,985
    I happen to have a degree in journalism, and experience writing for a couple of hard news sites, so I can't help but offer my opinion.

    There is too much unorganized content. Your front page has 14 article slots, and 4 rotating slots at the top. There are six combo/technology video stories, three match video stories, one streaming guide, one news story, and one retrospective. The rotating bar at the top has two announcements, a tourney results story, and a charity story. Not only that, but the content is spread across five games. With a little work, you can keep (or increase) the volume of content you're putting out, while increasing satisfaction from everyone. The solution is to find a way to organize this content, either through multiple news pages or through the use of content tags. For example, look at destructoid.com. Their layout is great, I can click the top and see all the PS3/XB360/Wii/whatever news I want and ignore everything else. SRK could implement something similar, filtering by game, or by subject (combo video/news/tech guides/opinion).

    Also the quality of the writing isn't always up to par for a huge site like this, specifically in articles written by MylifeisanRPG. For example, from his top-of-the-page article this morning:

    "AshtonDragon has found a flaw in most of the Frank West level-up tech that people have been finding. Most of it can’t be used from the start of a match! That’s why he developed this Vergil/Frank West Psuedo DHC combo that uses two meters but builds one, making it usable off any random hit-confirm at the beginning of a match. The combo gets Frank to lvl 4 using one repetition of a spiral swords loop."

    The first two sentences are poorly worded, and should be one sentence. The tech on display here isn't a "psuedo-DHC", it's a mid-combo hard tag, so he's not using correct terminology. He abbreviates "level four" for no reason, and doesn't use correct grammar by spelling out "four." Also, the article itself is hardly news, there's nothing genuinely new on display in this video, as setups like this have been around since the game came out (granted, this specific setup might be new). Here is a corrected version:

    "User AshtonDragon wasn't satisfied with current Frank West level-up tech. Utilizing Virgil's comboability to drive up the hit count, and exploring the limits of mid-combo hard-tagging, he discovered a way to reach level four from a simple hit confirm. Note that Virgil's spiral-swords loop builds enough meter to make this practical even at the start of the match."

    All the information was preserved, but condensed and presented in a more logical, clear manner.
  • LittleJimmy1983LittleJimmy1983 Darksakul for mod 2018 Joined: Posts: 942
    Try to understand the core concept and find ways to apply it to practical situations.
    The only example I can think of this is in games that provide sample combos in practice/training mode (Tekken 6) and use them as a foundation of where to start and modify them to get more damage.
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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 37,270 mod
    As much as the combo video flood can get annoying (heck, I actually try not to post too many combo vids, unless its for stuff I really like), you guys have to realize one thing - it pays the bills. We're at the point where we do need the revenue just to keep the site going, what with how much we've grown over the years. I don't have the exact numbers, but right not, the front page (and the ads) are the ones making it so that Wiz doesn't have to resort to stuff like charging more for premium or cutting back on features just to stay afloat.

    As for reorganizing the content on the front page, that's not something I can comment on; though I can probably bring it up with keits or kineda.

    EDIT: I was talking with keits the other day when he brought up an interesting fact - the front page and the forums have different audiences. So while some in the forums may not like the front page, the fact that we're getting more and more hits/readers means that there is an audience out there for what we put up. I'm not saying we wont change the way we do things, however how we evolve the front page may not necessarily be in the way you think it should.
  • PerthoPertho Capt of Team #Hellspawn Joined: Posts: 22,816 mod
    I don't see how this is any kind of revelation. Just because people are noticing this now, combo videos should be boring BnB's over and over? That makes no sense.

    Most people on this site are too lazy to even do the easy shit and can't even grasp what's really going on in more elaborate combo videos anyway. It's fucking hilarious that they decide go all armchair professional and surmise that "those combos aren't practical enough, boo."

    Seriously, gimme a break. Enjoy it for what it is and stop whining. Try to understand the core concept and find ways to apply it to practical situations.

    In all honesty, if you wrote a weekly article for SRK dissecting combo videos and explaining some of the finer points, I would read it religiously. Similarly if you wrote about the process you go throw to figure out combos, I would also read it.
    EDIT: I was talking with keits the other day when he brought up an interesting fact - the front page and the forums have different audiences. So while some in the forums may not like the front page, the fact that we're getting more and more hits/readers means that there is an audience out there for what we put up. I'm not saying we wont change the way we do things, however how we evolve the front page may not necessarily be in the way you think it should.

    The problem with the front page isn't that it is catering to some random people but that it is solely catering to those random people. There is enough space in the front page to have material for the casual players as well as the competitive players. If we aren't creating content for our community then nobody is going to provide that content.
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    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
  • AmishOpiateAmishOpiate Mega Slowbro. Joined: Posts: 1,650
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    Not to dent anybody's ego, but if traffic on the front page has increased, I would put that more on the release of UMVC3 than I would the format change; if I recall correctly, they both happened about the same time. It's kind of ironic that SRK is open about making money off other peoples work, when I seem to remember most people around here shitting on EventHubs for doing the same thing, but I guess EH was ahead their time :trollface:.

    For those who aren't happy with the direction the front page has took, I believe the SRK staff is aware of the concerns, but they appear to be happy with the current front page for now, I don't think it is going to change anytime soon, sadly enough. I just come straight to the forums via a bookmark and bypass it entirely, which has worked well for me; it doesn't get past the problem of real news getting lost in the jumbled mess, but at least I don't get hit in the face with combo videos and questionable editorials every time I visit.
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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 37,270 mod
    Not to dent anybody's ego, but if traffic on the front page has increased, I would put that more on the release of UMVC3 than I would the format change; if I recall correctly, they both happened about the same time. It's kind of ironic that SRK is open about making money off other peoples work, when I seem to remember most people around here shitting on EventHubs for doing the same thing, but I guess EH was ahead their time :trollface:.
    What format change? All that we've done is increase the output of what Keits was previously doing on his own. And the increase in numbers started way before that.
  • AmishOpiateAmishOpiate Mega Slowbro. Joined: Posts: 1,650
    I would argue that the radical increase in volume of front page postings, in addition to the heavy editorializing (in particular, Renegade's article about Wesker, and the article about tiers), changed the front page in such a way that it constituted basically a format change. The new contributors and the decision to broaden the content offered has fundamentally changed the SRK front page, in my opinion, so I think to refer to it as anything less than a format change would be to sell all the work that has been done there short.

    Looking back through the front page, it appears that additional posters aside from Keits started appearing on the day Ultimate was released, just to get the time frame straight. You are the one who made the correlation between the changes to the front page and additional traffic, not me.
    So while some in the forums may not like the front page, the fact that we're getting more and more hits/readers means that there is an audience out there for what we put up.
    If traffic started increasing well before Ultimate came out, which would also be before the new staff started posting on the front page, then I don't think you can really say "more hits/readers means that there is an audience out there for what we put up."
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  • andiiboooandiibooo Joined: Posts: 5
    I'm another that just has a bookmark to completely skip the front page and go straight to the forums. And for news, I just go to other sites. Are there really 8-14+ front page worthy news stories every single day? If the writers could condense all the fluff stories into a post or two on the weekends, the front page might become functional again.
  • CurlyWCurlyW Hello? Yes, this is dog. Joined: Posts: 877
    This is my favorite thread in the entire forum.
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  • DelriachDelriach Sindelly Joined: Posts: 70
    This is my favorite thread in the entire forum.

    There are some things I disagree with but a few people do have a point. Personally, I try to keep things relevant and interesting. Although a few people missed my points in my MK GOTY articles I wrote, there was a larger point to them rather than just saying "lol MK won a meaningless award". Aside from that, I like to keep things more focused on news and results with a few strat related posts scattered throughout.
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  • reverzereverze team M.K.V. FTW!!!! Joined: Posts: 432
    just one thing dubsteppinvdubs/hetacomcansuckmy****/sfxtekken/??? whatever he is now should get some sorta banned yo, we need a different forum thingy
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  • Ben PerkinsBen Perkins Joined: Posts: 6,758
    just one thing dubsteppinvdubs/hetacomcansuckmy****/sfxtekken/??? whatever he is now should get some sorta banned yo, we need a different forum thingy

    You'd think an IP Ban or something would kick in eventually :rolleyes:
  • Master_ChibiMaster_Chibi .: Dynamites! :. Joined: Posts: 15,076 mod
    At this point I think the front page has cemented a foundation for how it wants to do things, and really there's little any of can do about it. That's fine. No one is looking to start a revolution here, this is apparent on both sides. If the current 'format' is what is keeping the forum how it is, premium at its current price point, and so on then thanks in advance.

    The only problem here is that the front page of SRK still lacks a voice. I'm glad there's more than a handful of people helping Keits now, but they all seem to have little to no connection with each other, which I find to be a little odd. Does the crew get together on a weekly basis to discuss the next week's plan for release? Hell, do you guys get together to communicate at all, or are you all delegated to a certain task for the front page and little more? I mean as much as I can say I didn't like how Keits did a few things previously I at least felt he represented something.

    Is the front page of SRK about the product being played by the community, a product of the community, or just a blog roll of toilet paper at this point? I hate to bring it up but Eventhubs and Iplaywinner have a clear stand on who and what they do. Eventhubs IS solely Capcom centric news. Their guides come from the community and they even reward their community for doing so. Iplaywinner is a classy little melting pot, where you can get Capcom news, but still get information on everything else being played out there, Mortal Kombat, Blazblue, whatever. You'll get lengthy editorials every so often that really bring about some great discussion from their fans and other members of the community.

    What do I come to the front page of SRK for? What do you guys actually represent? Do I just tag along with the guy who was assigned to get stories for games that aren't UMVC3 / SFAE 21012? Why were Keits and Ski actively visiting tournaments and interviewing people, but now with help 4 times that we don't get it anymore? What happened to your psychology of fighting games RPG? Dev, start pumping out more stick related stuff. Hell, I don't even know what the other members are your staff do at this point.

    I'm sorry but the actual disconnect from your forums is a bad thing because your forums is what makes Shoryuken.com, well, Shoryuken.com. The fact that both cater to different audiences entertains the notion that you don't really care who you're talking to, or perhaps who is listening. If you're going to do what your 'fans / audience' wants you effectively lose your identity. Instead of 'oh we get hits for x type of article, let's give them more of x' it should be 'more people like what we're doing and how we're doing our thing, let's keep at it!'

    That's just me. I'm not going to wax poetic and start pounding tables and slamming doors in hopes that you start paying attention to the hardcore crowd, or any of that nonsense. There's trickles of that happening on the front page, and perhaps in time there will be more. Just please, please get yourselves a voice to speak with instead of just randomly blurting out to whoever happens to be listening.
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  • Master_ChibiMaster_Chibi .: Dynamites! :. Joined: Posts: 15,076 mod
    I used to have a voice, then Ursula told me I had to give it up if I wanted to walk on land.

    Cut the smarmy attitude and try giving some thought to what I wrote, unless you're fine being looked as a glorified digital groundskeeper.
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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 37,270 mod
    Dev, start pumping out more stick related stuff.
    I've got an article that's designed to help first time modders one cue. Other than that, I've been mostly working with the Singapore and Philippine Marvel communities, working on a nice two-parter on them.

    I'd work with the Tech Talk boys on more stuff, but we're currently busy working on Sticks forJoy's plans for the coming year.
  • PerthoPertho Capt of Team #Hellspawn Joined: Posts: 22,816 mod
    I've got an article that's designed to help first time modders one queue. Other than that, I've been mostly working with the Singapore and Philippine Marvel communities, working on a nice two-parter on them.


    That is, unless, you have put it on the cue ball and are about to smash it with your mighty pool stick of mod powers. Jokes aside, FINISH THAT DAMN ARTICLE ON THE GOD DAMN SINGAPORIAN AND PHILLIPINO COMMUNITIES YOU PINOY WONDERSCRUB! :annoy:

    I've been eagerly awaiting now for 3 weeks on that shit.
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    jimmy1200 wrote: »
    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 37,270 mod
    That is, unless, you have put it on the cue ball and are about to smash it with your mighty pool stick of mod powers. Jokes aside, FINISH THAT DAMN ARTICLE ON THE GOD DAMN SINGAPORIAN AND PHILLIPINO COMMUNITIES YOU PINOY WONDERSCRUB! :annoy:

    I've been eagerly awaiting now for 3 weeks on that shit.
    They're actually done. Just waiting for the EIC approval and maybe some extra videos. Alot of the old Philippine stuff is on celfones and videocams. Been trying to find the Clockw0rk vs Dan matches from Club Synergy.
  • PerthoPertho Capt of Team #Hellspawn Joined: Posts: 22,816 mod
    EIC?
    Ronin Chaos on Pertho:

    "Oh, Pertho. You complete me."
    jimmy1200 wrote: »
    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
  • Master_ChibiMaster_Chibi .: Dynamites! :. Joined: Posts: 15,076 mod
    I've got an article that's designed to help first time modders one cue. Other than that, I've been mostly working with the Singapore and Philippine Marvel communities, working on a nice two-parter on them.

    I'd work with the Tech Talk boys on more stuff, but we're currently busy working on Sticks forJoy's plans for the coming year.

    Nice, the stick article sounds like a hit and the Marvel two parter seems pretty cool.

    I hope we get more looks into the community from the rest of the staff too, if just to inject some actual personality into the people helping you.

    :P
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  • KeresKeres (☞゚ヮ゚)☞ Joined: Posts: 704
    It's been said a thousand times already, but the #1 thing that the front page needs is a reduction in the "here's a random combo/tutorial video" posts. Condense the videos down to daily roundups like there used to be, and reduce the spam. Even if nothing else changed, that would significantly improve the usability of the front page.
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  • Master_ChibiMaster_Chibi .: Dynamites! :. Joined: Posts: 15,076 mod
    *pops bubblegum and plays with hair*

    What if... ok get this, what if... I wanna be smarmy? Whatcha gonna do about that?

    It's the internet, all I can do is create a conversation and take part in it.
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  • PerthoPertho Capt of Team #Hellspawn Joined: Posts: 22,816 mod
    Lol blast from the past.
    Ronin Chaos on Pertho:

    "Oh, Pertho. You complete me."
    jimmy1200 wrote: »
    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
  • Atomic #Atomic # Ban Eyeball test Joined: Posts: 246
    This was the best post ever
    <SDtomic> activetrolls
    <SDtomic> they trolled you guys
    <SDtomic> said there was a tourney
    <SDtomic> and gave you guys goastes instead
    <Spman> lol
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  • PerthoPertho Capt of Team #Hellspawn Joined: Posts: 22,816 mod
    d3v wrote: »
    Keits never did run the Pinoy Marvel article.

    He did but he didnt help you out with it as I thought he should've. He ran the version you showed me iirc.
    Ronin Chaos on Pertho:

    "Oh, Pertho. You complete me."
    jimmy1200 wrote: »
    pertho attacked me first, saying i get all my life tips from 106th and park.
  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 37,270 mod
    Pertho wrote: »
    d3v wrote: »
    Keits never did run the Pinoy Marvel article.

    He did but he didnt help you out with it as I thought he should've. He ran the version you showed me iirc.

    The Ph article came out? All I ever saw was the Singapore one.
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