Know How: The Mad Catz Pro Cable

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  • DarksakulDarksakul I find your lack of Faith Disturbing. Joined: Posts: 25,061
    BolSadguy wrote: »
    Would like make a post confirming that the pinout posted on the 1st page for the Panthera also indeed works for the Atrox.

    On that note, does anyone who's made custom cables for the Panthera using generic aviation connectors have any issues with how recessed the male connector is on the Panthera's case? I tried it on my Atrox, but since the lug on the aviation connector isn't as big as the one on the stock Atrox cable, I have a bit of a harder to screwing/unscrewing the thing. Wondering if the Panthera's male connector is any more or less recessed than the Atrox.

    Atrox with stock cable
    https://i.imgur.com/Zw7Fqj7.jpg

    Atrox with custom cable
    https://i.imgur.com/vX9xMDL.jpg

    I wish I can help you but my Atrox is an actual prototype I tested for Razer.
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  • JackalsJackals Joined: Posts: 44
    BolSadguy wrote: »

    PS4 TE2s (TE2+ included) use the pinout posted by JesseJames

    Xbox One TE2, Xbox One Atrox and Panthera use the same pinout according to the IPW video about the Panthera (I think it was posted somewhere on the first page)


    Xbox One TE2's cable uses the same pinout as the PS4 version.
  • N7KhanN7Khan Joined: Posts: 14
    So to my understanding, any old usb cable would work here when creating a new pro cable? Just want to make sure before attempting this.
  • BolSadguyBolSadguy Toronto Stick Modder Joined: Posts: 1,621
    edited October 2017
    Yes

    EDIT: Make sure it's a charging and data sync cable instead of just a charging cable, of course.
  • DarksakulDarksakul I find your lack of Faith Disturbing. Joined: Posts: 25,061
    BolSadguy wrote: »
    Yes

    EDIT: Make sure it's a charging and data sync cable instead of just a charging cable, of course.

    I like using USB cables that are marketed for Printers and not Cell Phones.
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  • jcontradictionjcontradiction Joined: Posts: 3
    BolSadguy wrote: »
    Would like make a post confirming that the pinout posted on the 1st page for the Panthera also indeed works for the Atrox.

    On that note, does anyone who's made custom cables for the Panthera using generic aviation connectors have any issues with how recessed the male connector is on the Panthera's case? I tried it on my Atrox, but since the lug on the aviation connector isn't as big as the one on the stock Atrox cable, I have a bit of a harder to screwing/unscrewing the thing. Wondering if the Panthera's male connector is any more or less recessed than the Atrox.

    Atrox with stock cable
    Zw7Fqj7.jpg

    Atrox with custom cable
    vX9xMDL.jpg

    Did you have to replace the factory male part with the aviation male connector in your Panthera /Atrox? how difficult was it to install the aviation male connector to Panthera /Atrox? Does it require a drilling or modification to the body of Panthera /Atrox?
  • vandariel_PLvandariel_PL Joined: Posts: 3
    Hi Guys,

    First of all I'd like to thank the OP and all of you for the info I've found here - that was invaluable.

    Second, let me ask if you have any ideas on why it could be not working - at least for me :))

    I've found the comnector, I've soldered the cables firm, without any mess or interconnections, all acording to the pin out schematics above. The stick glows briefly, then PC informs about unrecognized device. Xbox does not inform about anything, just does not work. While using the second USB set of pins located on the stick interface board - everything works just perfect (on the PC and xbox as well)

    I'm stuck. Is it possible I've mistaken ground and shield cables for example? Both are black...

    Thanks in advance for any help!
  • DarksakulDarksakul I find your lack of Faith Disturbing. Joined: Posts: 25,061
    I'm stuck. Is it possible I've mistaken ground and shield cables for example? Both are black...
    Not really as the shield should be tied to ground anyways, mixing the two up isn't an issue as their solder points on the PCB are directly connected to each other.
    For Boards without a shield solder point/terminal, people will just combine those two wires together.

    The thing that could hurt you is getting the Data + and Data - wires mixed up, and is a common mistake (even with us pros).
    They are usually (but not always) the white and green wires in a USB cable
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  • vandariel_PLvandariel_PL Joined: Posts: 3
    Darksakul wrote: »
    I'm stuck. Is it possible I've mistaken ground and shield cables for example? Both are black...
    The thing that could hurt you is getting the Data + and Data - wires mixed up, and is a common mistake (even with us pros).
    They are usually (but not always) the white and green wires in a USB cable

    Thank you. Tested that - Changing white and green = same effect :(

    Prior to that, I was almost sure, that if black wires are shield / ground (doesn't matter here, which is which - as you said) and the stick glows for a second, the red wire is in the correct place, and is truly a +5V. It would mean indeed that white and green are data and could be mixed up.

    So i unsoldered the white one. The stick didnt glow and didn't show up as unrecognized device in Windows. That didn't yet mean anything, so I put it back where it should be (certainly one of the data pins in the aviation plug). Then I unsoldered the red one - the stick again didn't blink or show up on a PC.

    I think the red is the +5V and is placed where it should be, on the side of the USB plug (cannot disassemble it). Did anyone see the usb plug A to loose 5 wires cable, where one of the data wires was... black? If I'm gonna give it a try, would soldering ground to the data pins make any harm to the unit? I don't think so, but asking just in case... :)

    Thanks!

    PS Don't have any multimeter, so cannot test it all at the moment.
  • DarksakulDarksakul I find your lack of Faith Disturbing. Joined: Posts: 25,061
    edited December 2017
    Darksakul wrote: »
    I'm stuck. Is it possible I've mistaken ground and shield cables for example? Both are black...
    The thing that could hurt you is getting the Data + and Data - wires mixed up, and is a common mistake (even with us pros).
    They are usually (but not always) the white and green wires in a USB cable

    Thank you. Tested that - Changing white and green = same effect :(

    Prior to that, I was almost sure, that if black wires are shield / ground (doesn't matter here, which is which - as you said) and the stick glows for a second, the red wire is in the correct place, and is truly a +5V. It would mean indeed that white and green are data and could be mixed up.

    So i unsoldered the white one. The stick didnt glow and didn't show up as unrecognized device in Windows. That didn't yet mean anything, so I put it back where it should be (certainly one of the data pins in the aviation plug). Then I unsoldered the red one - the stick again didn't blink or show up on a PC.

    I think the red is the +5V and is placed where it should be, on the side of the USB plug (cannot disassemble it). Did anyone see the usb plug A to loose 5 wires cable, where one of the data wires was... black? If I'm gonna give it a try, would soldering ground to the data pins make any harm to the unit? I don't think so, but asking just in case... :)

    Thanks!

    PS Don't have any multimeter, so cannot test it all at the moment.

    You will need this for the USB pinout. Typically Black is ground, Red is power, White and Green are data. But not all cables follow those colors.
    http://pinouts.ru/Slots/USB_pinout.shtml

    Don't have a multimeter (which I recommend getting) Alternatively, if you got a LED light a battery and some wire, you can rig together a continuity tester
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  • vandariel_PLvandariel_PL Joined: Posts: 3
    Darksakul wrote: »
    You will need this for the USB pinout. Typically Black is ground, Red is power, White and Green are data. But not all cables follow those colors.
    http://pinouts.ru/Slots/USB_pinout.shtml

    Well, I couldn't sleep due to that, so I disassembled the USB A plug at the other end of the cable :D

    Guess what - all was correct there, white and green for data, red +5V, black ground... I had to rule out the broken cable, so I improvised a 5 pin plug which I connected with the spare USB pins in the interface board... And It worked - so the cable must have been ok since the beginning. "Aviation" plug is too simple in construction to be possibly the source of the problem. So there's something wrong with the wiring between interface, and the male socket in the Atrox, no other way around.

    I guess I'll have to live with it. I'll drill a hole in the Atrox' case to mount the USB B socket and will keep using the other connector. It can't be helped, methinks.

    Thanks again for help!

  • Trigun88Trigun88 Joined: Posts: 1
    Hi guys wonderful thread! I was building my custom pro cable and i wanted to ask a noob question about wiring. Where do i phisically connect the shield pin of the GX-12 aviation connector to the usb? Cause i've tried with everything connected but the shield and is still working fine. Do i really need the shield connected somewhere ? Thanks for any help :)
  • kikimaru024kikimaru024 Mid-tier scrub Joined: Posts: 1,716
    Jesus, this is the kind of information that we can't afford to lose!
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  • tonyz723tonyz723 Joined: Posts: 57
    Jesus, this is the kind of information that we can't afford to lose!

    Too true, especially since you can't get anything from madcatz now. I was tempted to get a TE2+ a few days ago, and then I remembered that they folded so warranty support isn't even a thing...
  • DarksakulDarksakul I find your lack of Faith Disturbing. Joined: Posts: 25,061
    Go to print the page, but instead of sending it to a printer choose save as PDF.
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  • butterojbutteroj You Are Luminous Joined: Posts: 1,620
    Anyone see any problem with using 4 pin connectors vs 5. Shield shouldn't really be needed.

     

  • DarksakulDarksakul I find your lack of Faith Disturbing. Joined: Posts: 25,061
    butteroj wrote: »
    Anyone see any problem with using 4 pin connectors vs 5. Shield shouldn't really be needed.

    Long as the shield tied to ground

    Shield is there for Interference
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  • BolSadguyBolSadguy Toronto Stick Modder Joined: Posts: 1,621
    BolSadguy wrote: »
    Would like make a post confirming that the pinout posted on the 1st page for the Panthera also indeed works for the Atrox.

    On that note, does anyone who's made custom cables for the Panthera using generic aviation connectors have any issues with how recessed the male connector is on the Panthera's case? I tried it on my Atrox, but since the lug on the aviation connector isn't as big as the one on the stock Atrox cable, I have a bit of a harder to screwing/unscrewing the thing. Wondering if the Panthera's male connector is any more or less recessed than the Atrox.

    Atrox with stock cable
    Zw7Fqj7.jpg

    Atrox with custom cable
    vX9xMDL.jpg

    Did you have to replace the factory male part with the aviation male connector in your Panthera /Atrox? how difficult was it to install the aviation male connector to Panthera /Atrox? Does it require a drilling or modification to the body of Panthera /Atrox?

    No need; it just becomes a bit harder to unscrew because there's less area on the female connector to grip
    butteroj wrote: »
    Anyone see any problem with using 4 pin connectors vs 5. Shield shouldn't really be needed.

    I never wired Shield to mine and I don't have any issues. Might as well do it if you're able though.
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