The Sanwa and Seimitsu FAQ

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  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    emphrygian: I would say that the stock SC2 joystick would feel more like an LS-32. And the stock buttons would feel like the normal Seimitsu PS-14-G.

    Lupus: For 30mm you need a 1-3/16" tool. For 24mm you need a 15/16" tool. And unlike Happ buttons, you do NOT need a special tool to tighten the screw-ins for Sanwa or Seimitsu.

    ~Paik
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    emphrygian: I would say that the stock SC2 joystick would feel more like an LS-32. And the stock buttons would feel like the normal Seimitsu PS-14-G.

    Lupus: For 30mm you need a 1-3/16" tool. For 24mm you need a 15/16" tool. And unlike Happ buttons, you do NOT need a special tool to tighten the screw-ins for Sanwa or Seimitsu.

    ~Paik

    do you use a particular ratchet then? or is finger tightening sufficient? Thanks again homie.
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Just your fingers : )

    ~Paik
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Just your fingers : )

    ~Paik

    You're the man Paik... loving your stick by the way... i've spent some more time with it recently and love it... octagon gate just came in yesterday and can't wait to pop it open and check out your wiring

    thanks again homie
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Any idea if anyone's done a writeup on how to mod a CPS Fighter stick with sanwa parts?
  • Doc HollidayDoc Holliday Joined: Posts: 565
    Anyone know if the Seimitsu LS 32-01 has extra play in the stick? I've got an HRAP2 that I just put it in. The stock Sanwa was nice but I heard alot of things about the 32-01 that I figured I'd like, including a stiffer spring and a shorter throw. Well that's all well and good but when I push the stick in a direction, after it hits the restrictor, the top part of the stick moves an 1/8th of an inch past where the restrictor is supposed to stop it. This is because of all the vertical play in the stick itself (you can pull it up and down just like Sanwa's). The stick DOES stop at the restrictor but since of the vertical play, it moves up and over in the direction that I'm throwing it in. I don't know if any of that makes sense, it's hard to explain it. In any case, it kinda defeats the purpose of switching over to this stick since the throw ends up being the same as the Sanwa's. Does anyone have that issue or do I have faulty equipment?
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  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Taiki, the CPS Fighter Stick would be pretty odd to mod considering the stock buttons are small and close to each other. The stick is fairly thin and would be difficult to mount a stick. I haven't even looked at mine that close because it doesn't seem to be a reasonable stick to even attempt.

    H82, I'm not really sure what you're describing but I have never had a problem with the LS-32 moving past the restrictor. Most of the time, my shaft hits the metal base piece before it even has a chance to hit the plastic restrictor piece. I mean, yeah if you put a really strong force on any stick, it will have vertical play that will lift the stick out of it's normal path. But if you're doing that, then you're just not playing correctly. : )

    ~Paik
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    well, looks like I get the task of doing that write up then. :) After seeing the mod of the NeoGeo old style home stick with Sanwas, I figured it was POSSIBLE...

    I finally broke my CPS Fighter Stick apart and finding that there is more than enough space to fit screw in 24mm sanwas for the buttons and maybe an LS-32 for the stick. I prefer sanwa, so i'm going to try to shoehorn a JLF first
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    Keep the stock stick, it's Sanwa anyway.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    How do 24mm buttons compare with 30mm buttons? Is there any difference beyond size?
  • MayhemMayhem Mostly Harmless Joined: Posts: 577
    How do 24mm buttons compare with 30mm buttons? Is there any difference beyond size?
    They use the same kind of microswitch so there shouldn't be any difference in performance.
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  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Keep the stock stick, it's Sanwa anyway.

    is it? I'd rather have a JLF in any case.
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    is it? I'd rather have a JLF in any case.

    It's a Sanwa JLW.
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    It's a Sanwa JLW.

    It's not the JLW that Sanwa's selling now. When I have a few spare minutes, I'll take pics... Looks more like a Hori or even seimitsu...
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    I could take pics too, it's unmistakably a JLW with Sanwa written on it.
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Do you have a Japanese CPS Fighter?
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    yes.
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    yes.

    that explains it.

    Could you take photos of the internals if you've got the time/effort? I want to know how to mount a JLW in this thing and if it's possible to mount a JLF in it's stead.

    http://www.planetnintendo.com/thewarpzone/hardware/inside.jpg

    That's what mine looks like. I can't find my camera for some reason, otherwise I'd take much more detailed pics of the mech assembly.

    Basically, it looks like some sort of seimitsu mechanism with a blue and white base. I've never seen these before, but I've never worked with seimitsu parts before.
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    So they used a Sanwa stick only for the Japanese release... good to know.

    Anyway here's the pics:

    The stick is screw mounted on the bottom shell and there's even a hole for the shaft in case one wants to remove the ball:

    http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/3595/s2023004bz1.jpg

    The JLW restrictor is glued to the bottom:

    http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9076/s2023005mm1.jpg

    http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/7046/s2023006et5.jpg
    http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4043/s2023007qi9.jpg
    http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2100/s2023008im7.jpg

    I don't think a JLW would be too difficult to mount on your stick, it would be just a matter of adding 4 spacers (of different height though) on the bottom shell. As for the JLF I don't think you can mount one as neatly since they don't have threaded inserts on the bottom like the JLW so you would have to drill holes on the top shell which is not even flat... can be done but it will not look very nice.
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Huh, this explains a lot. Looks like a JLW will drop right in... Since I already own a JLF stick(HRAP), I'm going to go with a JLW with a red bat top and some 24mm buttons. Although if i'm right, it's already mostly a sanwa button because i think that's a sanwa switch soldered to the board. In either case, time to hack for hacking's sake.

    thanks!

    mind if i upload these pics to the Game SX/NFG Wiki for the CPS Fighter?
  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    Sure, you can use the pics.

    The buttons have Tokaicom switches which is what Seimitsu uses for their buttons so even if they're not Sanwa they're still arcade quality switches:

    http://www.tokaicom.jp/product30/page10/detail.htm

    These switches are also found on the Neo Geo old style stick, Namco PS1 arcade stick and all the HRAP buttons.
  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    i'm going to have to mangle the hole in the case.

    Which means I have to either suck it up and break out the sharp objects, or just stick with the stock buttons. I'm honeslty not sure what I'll do with the buttons.

    However, with the stick, it's a no brainer, I'm swapping in a JLW. Let's hope this works.
  • pheraipherai LIVE FOREVER Joined: Posts: 11,885 mod
    Hey guys, I recently ordered a sanwa stick to go into a case I originally designed for an american style stick, and the mounting plate doesnt fit obviously. I've been trying to think of a way fit it in there, when i finally just noticed this.

    http://akihabarashop.com/products/sanwa-JLWUM8.jpg

    That mounting plate looks the same dimensions as an American stick. Can anyone confirm this for me? It would save me a big headache!

    Also, my friend is looking into seimetsu buttons. Any recommendations? I don't know anything about them.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    a few questions...
    will a circular resistor work with a sanwa JLF? will any of the sanwa resistors work with any seimitsu joystick? last one, whats a better joystick for MVC2?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Wow neat topic.

    I'm getting a SF:AC stick soon that i plan to mod one of these days. Thought about maybe this sanwa stuff, since i already have a happ stick. Since the choice between the two all boils down to a matter of preference, and happ is fine, i'll just stick with it then.
  • Doc HollidayDoc Holliday Joined: Posts: 565
    Taiki, the CPS Fighter Stick would be pretty odd to mod considering the stock buttons are small and close to each other. The stick is fairly thin and would be difficult to mount a stick. I haven't even looked at mine that close because it doesn't seem to be a reasonable stick to even attempt.

    H82, I'm not really sure what you're describing but I have never had a problem with the LS-32 moving past the restrictor. Most of the time, my shaft hits the metal base piece before it even has a chance to hit the plastic restrictor piece. I mean, yeah if you put a really strong force on any stick, it will have vertical play that will lift the stick out of it's normal path. But if you're doing that, then you're just not playing correctly. : )

    ~Paik

    Paik, what you just described is what's going on. Only problem is, I'm not using alot of force. I play it the same way I do my Sanwa and I don't have that problem. Even before I installed the stick, it had that extra vertical play when I was messing around with it. Granted, I haven't gotten to the point yet where I can do moves by just go off the sound and feel of the clicks. I still need to hit the restrictor. When you say base metal piece, you're not talking about the mounting plate are you? Something just isn't right. I'm pretty sure I installed everything just fine. It's not like it was that difficult to understand.
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  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    Hey guys, sorry that I haven't been keeping up with the thread in helping answer some of your questions. I've been in Korea since Xmas, as some of you may know. I'm still there now and have very irregular access to a computer and internet. I don't have the time to answer all the questions now but when I get back on Sunday, I'll be sure to answer all the questions early next week.

    ~Paik
  • TheRealNeoGeoTheRealNeoGeo Arcadeparts Joined: Posts: 3,150
    pherai
    http://akihabarashop.com/catalog/sanwa-JLWP1S.jpg
    I made measurements on all mountingplates, look in my shop and you will see it:
    http://akihabarashop.com/products.html#sanwa-JLF-P-1
    Look in my shop (it is not open for orders yet though) for Seimitsu-buttons, there is text you can read about every button.

    r-ch1e
    1. No circular restrictor work on JLF (yet).
    2. No Sanwarestrictor works on Seimitsujoysticks.
    3. For MvC2 I think most people like the HAPP joystick better for this (Competition or P360).
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hmm, so I was looking at the comparison chart on page 1 and noticed that the engage for the Seimitsu LS-40 and LS-56 have a 3.5mm engage vs. 4.5mm for LS-32 and 5mm for Sanwa JLF..... Soooo, does that mean that the LS-40 and LS-56 are significantly more sensitive than the 2 flagship sticks? The reason I ask is b/c the Sanwa JLF doesn't really feel the same as the sticks in the arcades.... supers are a lot harder to buffer into; at first I thought it was me, but when I go to the arcade I hit my combos with no problem which gives me the suspicion that the Sanwa JLF might not be the best stick for fighters?.....
  • chippermonkychippermonky Wonderland? Joined: Posts: 916
    well ex-s, you could easily make a stick with a .001mm engage, but who would use that. It's all a matter of taste.

    I felt the JLF had a bit too big of a throw, but I got use to it after about half an year of playing :p. What kinda sticks do the arcades have anyways?
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    LOL... yes a .001mm engage wouldn't be very functional = P.... But yeah, I'm not sure if it's the engage or the deadzone on the JLF that makes if difficult to use. The JLF throw is fine for me; it feels pretty much the same as the arcade... LS-40 is pretty cheap though so it might be worth trying one, but I don't know of anyone who's used one. Anyway, all the fightining games are on SEGA VersusCity cabs, so whatever stick those cabs have would be the one I want.

    well ex-s, you could easily make a stick with a .001mm engage, but who would use that. It's all a matter of taste.

    I felt the JLF had a bit too big of a throw, but I got use to it after about half an year of playing :p. What kinda sticks do the arcades have anyways?
  • chippermonkychippermonky Wonderland? Joined: Posts: 916
    LOL... yes a .001mm engage wouldn't be very functional = P.... But yeah, I'm not sure if it's the engage or the deadzone on the JLF that makes if difficult to use. The JLF throw is fine for me; it feels pretty much the same as the arcade... LS-40 is pretty cheap though so it might be worth trying one, but I don't know of anyone who's used one. Anyway, all the fightining games are on SEGA VersusCity cabs, so whatever stick those cabs have would be the one I want.

    where exactly would you plan on getting an LS 40?

    Anyways, granted I just asked you where you were planning on getting one, I might be getting 2 in a bit and I'll tell you how they feel.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    where exactly would you plan on getting an LS 40?

    Anyways, granted I just asked you where you were planning on getting one, I might be getting 2 in a bit and I'll tell you how they feel.

    Akihabarashop.com carries it. That's probably my best bet.....
  • jugosojugoso FG enthusiast Joined: Posts: 207
    I have doubt: Seimitsu sticks (LS-32) come with two restrictors. One blue and other bright cyan (between the blue one and the actual stick). Is the cyan one really a restrictor? If so, is it the 4-way restrictor? Should I remove to play 3s?
  • Doc HollidayDoc Holliday Joined: Posts: 565
    I have doubt: Seimitsu sticks (LS-32) come with two restrictors. One blue and other bright cyan (between the blue one and the actual stick). Is the cyan one really a restrictor? If so, is it the 4-way restrictor? Should I remove to play 3s?

    I wonder if that's why mine seems screwed up. Refer to earlier post for details. :wgrin:
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    White Tiger: "Cash or charge?"
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  • M K LM K L Joined: Posts: 238
    I have doubt: Seimitsu sticks (LS-32) come with two restrictors. One blue and other bright cyan (between the blue one and the actual stick). Is the cyan one really a restrictor? If so, is it the 4-way restrictor? Should I remove to play 3s?

    The cyan one is the square 8-way restrictor. It's the blue one that you may well remove as it does nothing unless you use its 2- or 4-way cutouts. Actually it's funny to see all these modded sticks that are exclusively used for fighting games with that blue restrictor there doing nothing...
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    If Im using 3mm lexan on top of say 1/2" mdf would snap in buttons grip to the lexan or would I need to go with screw ins and route out the mdf ?
  • GreenGreen jay's dad Joined: Posts: 2,267
    The snap-in buttons should be able to grip the 3mm Lexan fine.
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  • TaikiTaiki OH HO HOHOHOHOHO Joined: Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    say, I've been looking at the bottom of my spare jlf, and is it possible to fit the GT-O into the JLF?
  • Paik4LifePaik4Life Team HnI Joined: Posts: 1,212
    GT-0 will not fit the JLF normally. But who knows, with modding almost anything is possible.

    ~Paik
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