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  • NefarsusNefarsus Joined: Posts: 300
    So I just got my DC ASCII Capcom. Trying to open the case and it seems stuck. I really don't want to crack it in any way. I removed the bottom 5 screws, but it still feels like something is attached to it. I tried just rolling a screw driver between the bottom plate and the case, but not much luck. Any suggestions.
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    hello guys, is any one know that where i can buy parts of the sanwa..?? thanks in advice :)
  • brighennebrighenne Joined: Posts: 799
    So I just got my DC ASCII Capcom. Trying to open the case and it seems stuck. I really don't want to crack it in any way. I removed the bottom 5 screws, but it still feels like something is attached to it. I tried just rolling a screw driver between the bottom plate and the case, but not much luck. Any suggestions.

    You have to peel off the top sticker/art. There are screws under there holding it in.

  • fireatwillfireatwill drumnbass Joined: Posts: 212
    if you are removing the bottom plate, you have to get the 2 screws under the rubber feet.
  • OuroborusOuroborus plays 3s just to troll Joined: Posts: 7,215 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Recently I've decided to replace the pivot and actuator on my ASCII Optical with sanwa parts as the stock parts were starting to see some wear. I tried replacing the stock spring with a JLF one but it was too loose. However, with an LS-55 spring, its perfect. The final result is a stick that's smooth as butter.

    Every part is interchangeable except the base. You can't fit the ASCII Optical PCB inside a Sanwa base, although I think it should be possible with some modification. You might have to dremel some of the plastic on the side out to make the pcb fit.
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  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,830
    So I just got my DC ASCII Capcom. Trying to open the case and it seems stuck. I really don't want to crack it in any way. I removed the bottom 5 screws, but it still feels like something is attached to it. I tried just rolling a screw driver between the bottom plate and the case, but not much luck. Any suggestions.

    Two screws under the two bottom rubber things.
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  • brighennebrighenne Joined: Posts: 799
    I need to work on my reading comprehension...:/

  • NefarsusNefarsus Joined: Posts: 300
    Hey guys. I removed my ASCII joystick from it's case. I have the PCB removed and ready to be plugged into a terminal. But I'm having some trouble trying to figure out how to put it into my TE. It doesn't just pop into the black piece on the mounting plate. Am I supposed to remove the old one and somehow mount that to the JLF plate? If so how do i remove that. It seems like it's glued in or something. I didn't notice any screws. If anyone has any pictures they could show me, or any tips at all, that would really help.
  • brighennebrighenne Joined: Posts: 799
    Hey guys. I removed my ASCII joystick from it's case. I have the PCB removed and ready to be plugged into a terminal. But I'm having some trouble trying to figure out how to put it into my TE. It doesn't just pop into the black piece on the mounting plate. Am I supposed to remove the old one and somehow mount that to the JLF plate? If so how do i remove that. It seems like it's glued in or something. I didn't notice any screws. If anyone has any pictures they could show me, or any tips at all, that would really help.

    See this is the problem I thought you were having before. You need to replace the black jlf base with the black base from the ascii. You access it from the top:
    You have to peel off the top sticker/art. There are screws under there holding it in.

  • NefarsusNefarsus Joined: Posts: 300
    Thanks man. I was hoping to not destroy that case haha. Oh well, I'll do something with it down the line. Took me a bit to figure everything out but i got it put in. My biggest issue was trying to mount the black base onto the plate. Finally realized the ASCII didn't have any nuts and I had to pop them out of the jlf base.

    But it's all sanwa now with a square gate. I was surprised the square gate works on it while the ASCII Octo gate doesn't work on a JLF.

    All I need to do now is wire it up. Going to have to wait until Sunday sadly, wedding tomorrow. Can't wait to test it all out. I'll put some pictures of everything up when I get back on Sunday. Thanks for all the help everyone! Don't know what I'd do without it.
  • XMetalXMetal Just Be Madness Joined: Posts: 368 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I just purchased a DC FT Capcom Special stick. The stick is REALLY mushy feeling. I assume the spring (if they use springs?) is worn out. Can I use a JLF or Sem. spring? I haven't torn the stick apart yet. Is there other parts of it that fail?

    yes changing the spring makes a significant difference. another thing i noticed is that the solder points on the ascii pcb are too high. if you sand them down about 1mm or so, for some reason it seems to effect the responsiveness of the spring too. i don't know how that makes sense but there was a noticable difference for me when i did that. i originally did it because snapping in the gate over the pcb seemed harder than it should be. if that's the case for you too, maybe you wanna try that.
  • NefarsusNefarsus Joined: Posts: 300
    Hey guys. So I installed my ASCII optical via a terminal, and soldered the 5V to the bottom of the MadCatz pcb. Is that all I needed to do?

    I plugged it in and the controller button lights up but neither the stick or buttons respond. It's a 360 TE modded with mc Cthulhu and imp. I am lookog at everything to see if maybe a wire came loose or something but haven't found anything yet. Just wanted to see if I did something wrong installing the optical.
  • meusmeus Joined: Posts: 2,051
    Hey guys. So I installed my ASCII optical via a terminal, and soldered the 5V to the bottom of the MadCatz pcb. Is that all I needed to do?

    I plugged it in and the controller button lights up but neither the stick or buttons respond. It's a 360 TE modded with mc Cthulhu and imp. I am lookog at everything to see if maybe a wire came loose or something but haven't found anything yet. Just wanted to see if I did something wrong installing the optical.

    u didnt have to solder the wire optical to ur Pcb. the best options is use the both wires from imp -+v5 wire both into MC V5 spot with ur optical wire too and u should be fine. or wire from 360 pcb v5 and MC too into v5 spot and optical wire and u should be ok.

    I know is one of those u need to do. After all u do have dual mod. So 360 and MM pcb's need to be connected with Optical wire to work.
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  • NefarsusNefarsus Joined: Posts: 300
    Hey sorry man, but i'm not really understanding what all you're trying to explain for me to do.
  • meusmeus Joined: Posts: 2,051
    let me put in short term Optical wire has to be wired to MC board and 360 pcb. It will not work if is wired to 360 pcb only.
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  • NefarsusNefarsus Joined: Posts: 300
    I understand that concept. So what's the best way to do that though? Because originally the JLF was only hooked up to the 360 PCB. And all I did was cut the wire harness from the JLF and put all 5 of those wires ( Ground, Up, Down, Left, Right) to a wire terminal and added 5V, exactly how JDM's diagram shows it.
  • brighennebrighenne Joined: Posts: 799
    I would try swapping out your optical back to the jlf to make sure it isn't something that got messed up with the dual mod.

    Does your MC cthulhu have screw terminals? If so, try hooking up the optical to the points there, it's a lot more straight forward than using a separate terminal IMO.

    Pictures would also be helpful.

  • NefarsusNefarsus Joined: Posts: 300
    I'll try and take some pictures tonight. Just need to find my camera charger. The only way I'm going to get the JLF to work now is with a new harness. As I cut the wires off at the end.
  • md72582md72582 90% Raw Vegan Joined: Posts: 617
    Heres my opitcal set-up

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  • Sh4dowStepSh4dowStep Joined: Posts: 161
    Hey I have a couple questions, I wanted to mount the ASCII optical stick I have into my TE stick. The problem is the mounting plate from the JLF wont screw into the ASCII case, not sure what im supposed to do exactly.
  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,830
    You need the nuts.
    In the black Base is where the M3 nuts would go.

    But where is your question?
    Laugh.
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  • Sh4dowStepSh4dowStep Joined: Posts: 161
    No what im saying is the screws from the jlf mounting plate wont screw into the ASCII black base, like they would into a jlf black base. black base being the part of the stick that house the joy stick pcb. im talking about the 4 mounting screws on the jlf plate to the black base
  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,830
    Yes, the nuts.
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  • rtdzignrtdzign Joined: Posts: 5,176
    Yep you gotta dig the m3 nuts out of your JLF base, and maybe clean off the loctite that might be on them.
  • kugaiikugaii P_teir Joined: Posts: 182
    I dual mod my ascii , rj45 jack is hooked up for old systems and I also have a usb port for 360/ps3. When I use the ps1 cable I only get 3.3v to power the optical, I need help where to put the step up converter and is it possible to place the converter on points G,V on the cthulhu?
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  • WinchesterWinchester Quick On The Trigger Joined: Posts: 822
    I noticed sometimes on the trading outlet, someone would sell an Ascii Optical that has been retrofitted with JLF parts. What exactly are the advantages to doing this? Reason being is because I want to get some sort of optical for my project, but I'm not sure if I will leave it as is or have it modified with JLF parts for athestics such as shaft covers and etc.
  • rtdzignrtdzign Joined: Posts: 5,176
    On the Dreamcast Ascii sticks the shafts are shorter. The Ascii spring is different between the different versions of sticks. I recently got a PS1 Ascii Joystick and the shaft is longer and the spring stiffer. A different Ascii I got had the shorter shaft and lighter spring.

    JLF is getting what you know for a consistent feel. Ascii gates are Octagon by default as well. Most people prefer square.

    The ascii base and gate has circle pegs and holes for the gates to snap on while the JLF has an ovaloid pegs. So a JLF gate will fin on a Ascii but an Ascii gate won't fit on a JLF base. It is moot because you can swap the inner rings on both of the gates.
  • NRXNRX Custom Impact™ Joined: Posts: 511
    I just picked up a Capcom version Ascii DC stick and I want to appropriate the Flash clone inside. I gather most people replace the parts with Sanwa. Two questions to that effect:

    1.) What all can be replaced? Everything but the PCB...?

    2.) Are standard JLF parts used for the replacing?

    Thx!!
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  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    I just picked up a Capcom version Ascii DC stick and I want to appropriate the Flash clone inside. I gather most people replace the parts with Sanwa. Two questions to that effect:

    1.) What all can be replaced? Everything but the PCB...?

    2.) Are standard JLF parts used for the replacing?

    Thx!!

    1) You can replace literally everything on the ASCII Answer (Optical) with Sanwa parts except the black joystick body, the PCB, and the plastic and rubber ring set. The last two you wouldn't find on a regular Sanwa JLF anyway and the former can't be replaced because if you do, the ASCII Answer (Optical) PCB won't fit. Not like that matters, the black body aside from being made from a different (but still just as durable) plastic is functionally and aesthetically very similar to a JLF body.

    2) Yeah, all standard Sanwa JLF parts are used to replace everything.
  • NRXNRX Custom Impact™ Joined: Posts: 511
    Many thanks, Ikagi! Now to embark on this project (putting the ASCII inside a RAP VLX-SA)...
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  • VMSVMS smearattack.com Joined: Posts: 87
    Speed Box

    Some of you may have seen this. I thought it was interesting:

    An unreleased, prototype optical joystick for Sega Genesis:
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    ebay item # 110566811219

    So, did that thing use a HAPP?

    I must say... innovative use of vinyl artwork on a stick in the early-mid-90s. Too bad it was never released. It could have changed the course of the industry, our hobby, etc.
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  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,830
    That is cool.
    I want that thing.
    But the price of it though. :sad:
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  • VMSVMS smearattack.com Joined: Posts: 87
    Must have been early 90s. Saturn & PS1 were already out by '95. That is cool.
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  • kowalkowal smell like Sanwa Joined: Posts: 400
    This stick is WICO P360 (on 90%) and WICO (80%) or HAPP (20%) pushbuttons vertical microswitch
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  • NRXNRX Custom Impact™ Joined: Posts: 511
    Sorry if this question has been asked before, but what's the best way to replicate the tension of a FLASH1 with an ASCII + JLF parts? Standard JLF spring? Seems like it would be super duper loose...but never having used an actual FLASH1, I don't know.

    What is most peoples' preference of spring with an ASCII? LS-55? JLF + LS-33, maybe?
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  • WinchesterWinchester Quick On The Trigger Joined: Posts: 822
    I just wanted to vent that removing the octo gate on the Ascii was the most mind numbing and strenuous acts of God I had to go through. Had to sand down parts of the ends because they came out slightly bent and malformed from attempting to remove the gate.
  • ReversalReversal Joined: Posts: 202
    I personally use a JLF and LS-33 spring in my optical.
    I retrofitted mine with JLF parts as well.
    Stick tension is all about preference.
    Use whatever feels nice to you.
  • NRXNRX Custom Impact™ Joined: Posts: 511
    Most definitely, but I was hoping to replicate the FLASH1 experience as closely as possible, personal preference be damned. Just to see how they feel.
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  • Ikagi-chanIkagi-chan Loves his HRAP2SA! <3 Joined: Posts: 1,980
    I just wanted to vent that removing the octo gate on the Ascii was the most mind numbing and strenuous acts of God I had to go through. Had to sand down parts of the ends because they came out slightly bent and malformed from attempting to remove the gate.

    I hear you on that Winchester! ASCII's plastic molding work is either the best, most tight fitting job we've ever seen or the worst modular design we've ever seen. :wasted:
    Most definitely, but I was hoping to replicate the FLASH1 experience as closely as possible, personal preference be damned. Just to see how they feel.

    Personally, I've gotten it pretty damn close to the feel of the official Sanwa FLASH 1 spring (which if I might add is freaking HUGE compared to the JLF spring) just by doubling up two JLF springs. But I haven't found a spring combo which feels 100% like it since everything I've tried either exceeds the tension found on the official spring or falls just short. Two JLF springs are the closest I've gotten.
  • NRXNRX Custom Impact™ Joined: Posts: 511
    Thanks again Ikagi! I'll have to see how two JLF springs feel.
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