Top Player Interview with CigarBoB

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<VF4> What was your first encounter with any version of SFII?
<CigarBoB> First time i saw SF2, I was at a bowling alley in Yuma, AZ, at a tournament. It was right after it came out so I would say I was about 14-15.
<VF4> World Warrior?
<CigarBoB> That would be around 91, yeah WW. I was too caught up on my bowling to really spend much time on it. I would have had to give up practice time from that to play.
<VF4> Did you imagine at all, that years later, you'd be traveling the country with a SFII cabinet playing the game in tournaments?
<CigarBoB> Fuck no. You kidding? But even back then it was an obsession. What really got me was when my bowling alley got CE. After that my days were numbered. I am a very competitve person so from day one I wanted to beat anyone that I played.
<VF4> The alley just had one CE cabinet?
<CigarBoB> Yeah, just one. They used tokens that were just bigger than a nickel soI would pound out nickels in my garage and use them.
<VF4> Did you branch out to arcades?
<CigarBoB> Of course I did
<VF4> Who was your main in CE?
<CigarBoB> First it was Ken. I was the first to figure out how to st.fp xx fp DP in my area, and to discover cross ups. I would dominate with just that.
<VF4> People must have hated you for X.ups
<CigarBoB> Yeah, they did, a lot. One kid said he would shoot me then started to flash gang signs in my face. I remember my uncle, who was only six years older than me, taking me to the arcade to play CE back then. He would never use specials cause he thought they were cheap. He would beat the fuck out of me with just normals. I asked him what he did versus FB characters. He just told me to jump straight up and move in slowly. That dude was hella smart for back then.
<VF4> Yeah that's good advice for ST now.
<CigarBoB> Hell yea it is.

<VF4> What did people think of HF when it came out?
<CigarBoB> I started to see it in all the mags at the time. Then one day at my local aracde, Metro Midway, they started to pull out the CE cabs and bring them back in one by one. Next thing I knew it was HF and my life was even more over.
<VF4> HAPP parts on arcade, pad at home on consoles?
<CigarBoB> I conned my dad to get me a C&L Championship controller with Happ parts if I got all B's in school. It was the last time I would get any good marks in school. I would spend all day just playing in my room hour after hour.
<VF4> What was your main arcade for HF?
<CigarBoB> Metro Midway I would say. I would bus down there on a saturday morning with my friend Dan and $20 and play all day. They had 12 HF cabs. They were in little pods of 3. Each station had a different level of comp on it. I would play at the elite station and the one below. I was still a little young and didn't quite understand the higher level play concepts back then. I remember that I had a school folder that I dedicated to all the articles about Sf2. I would take it with me to the arcades to study strats and stuff.

<VF4> Did you play any other games? MK or Killer Instinct? Non fighters?
<CigarBoB> I was a beast on KI. My mains were Glacious and Jago. But I didn't get really good till XBAND came out on the SNES. XBAND was a modem that you would play head to head with other people across the nation. Sabre, Mr.Wizard, dreamTR, DG&V, played on there. You could play MK2/KI/SSF2 and many more on it. Some of the best comp in the nation. I played KI mainly at that point. I got really good but I couldn't beat the very best like Mr.Wizard and Sabre. XBAND was direct connect over the phone lines. I had a second phone line put in just for it. At one point I got injured at work and played it nonstop for a whole month. Racked up a $400 bill in nationwide charges...but it was well worth it. When I was 17 I was given a little cigar from some guys at bowling alley. I remember being scared that I would get pulled over because I was underage. Well back on XBAND I used the name BoB. And when I went on agsf2, I used CigarBoB and I've kept the name since.

<VF4> HF was immensely popular in arcades, what was the scene's response when Super dropped?
<CigarBoB> Super was really hyped up in all the mags showing the new characters and intros. When I saw Fei I knew I would play him. But the game wasn't received very well in the arcades here. MK2 was killing the SF scene, and SSF2's speed didn't help at all. CPS1 wasn't making money if SSf2 was around so they all just upgraded and ditched the HF cabinets. At Metro Midway they had nine cabs for SSF2, and on the second day each and every cab had 99 games played. But again MK2/KI was killing everything at this point, so arcades were already moving away from SF2. By the time ST came out there was only one arcade to play it at, Video Round Up.

<VF4> what happened with ST at Metro Midway?
<CigarBoB> Metro Midway only got one ST cabinet. I tried to play but I was too stuck in KI land.
<VF4> Did they keep the old Super cabs or just phase out SFII completely?
<CigarBoB> Phased it out, they either sold them or converted them to KI/MK2/3 cabs or brought in NBA Jams.
<VF4> so if you're exposure was limited to ST in the arcade what got you to stick around all of these years?
<CigarBoB> I stopped playing SF with KI. Then started to play KI on XBAND. Then one day I decided to pull out my SNES SSf2 cart and play on XBAND. What happened to me would be something very similar to a new player coming on ggpo for the first time. I played this Blanka named Mr. Wet Dry Vac. He just threw me till I died. I got soooo pissed and started to yell at the TV like he could hear me. At this point throwing was still considered cheep in my area and I didn't do it, but it sparked something in me. I kept playing. Playing versus people like DreamTR didn't help either as that dude was way too good as well. XBAND and SSF2 brought me back from KI.

<VF4> when did you switch to ST?
<CigarBoB> I got a 3D0 and ST and started to play that again. But there weren't any other players. I was talking with Mr.Wizard over the phone at this point and we were trying to plan for me to go out to California and play with them, but it didn't happen. Around this time A3 really captured my attention, and I only had one other person to play ST with, and he is a tier whore and would just play O.Sagat so I wouldn't play ST very much. Even though I was strong in ST I didn't concentrate on it. I played A3 where locally there were eight of us that were serious about it. My friend Dan, Sabre, One Handed Terror my self and a few others. I mained Gief in A3 for a long time. Then switched to Sakura in 2000. I didn't know how strong she was until later. A3 was really deep and there was so much to learn and do in that game. Plus it has always been very difficult for me to maintain more than one game and play at my best so I focused only on A3 and not on ST. Sabre was the best in our
area, his Akuma and then Cody were just amazing. Locally here our little group was just playing A3. It wasn't until HSF2 came out for XBL that I really got back into ST.

<VF4> you went to EVO2004?
<CigarBoB> i went with my friend dan that i had known since I was 16, he can be a real bitch when he loses, and on the final day he decided to go home he was my ride so i had to go with him then 1/3rd of the way back he wants to go back i didn't talk to him for about 6 months after that
<VF4> you went back then? did you see the ST top 8?
<CigarBoB> didn't get to see anyting that year. I spent alot of time in the BYOC room. DG&V were there playing ps2 HSF but I didn't know it was them and being that I knew them from back in the xband days i would have like to meet them. I didn't do well at evo04 cuz I hadn't been playing at all. I had to play David Spence, the sim player and he took me out of the tourney. i played Gief, and Ryu but i wasn't nearly as good as I am now.


<VF4> So AE on XBL got you heavily into SFII again?
<CigarBoB> for me to get good at any game I have to be able to play it nearly nonstop. I loved ST for as long as I have been in the competitive scene, but it wasn't until xbox live HSF that I had access to the tools that I needed to really play it. I had been playing around with ST and trying to learn Ken but that shit is hard with no competition. So that is all I did when HSF came out. From then on I never played anything else. I only played Ken for about 3 months before I figured out how to shortx2 super. There wasn't much in the way of high level info so I actually had to work it out on my own.
<VF4> Renda cancel on your own? ouch.
<CigarBoB> I started posting it on SRK because I would get so many people asking me how I did it. And it was about this time that I built my cab
<VF4> you built your cab from scratch right?
<CigarBoB> Yeah totally, not only that but I also worked out a way to have swapable pannels so you could have jap and american sticks on the same cabinet. I have improved the design since but that cabinet is where it started. I built it to take to EVO and show off and they even used it on stage at EVO2005. They used it for ST, CvS2, and 3S. Wizard would go up and swap out the panels, everyone was blown away. I have to say hat my ego got a good stroking right there. The cabinet at this time was Supergun/Snes/PS2/Xbox. I used 15pin DSubs to swap between them.
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<VF4> you have Japanese board for your ST setup?
<CigarBoB> Yeah.
<VF4> why a JP board and not US?
<CigarBoB> got the JP board for really cheap on eBay, like $20 becuase they listed the auction wrong. I was hardcore into ST at this point. Zazza just moved here and we were playing nonstop. Zazza coming her before EVO was just amazing for me. My game consisted of a lot of shenanigans with Ken and not much real solid play, he exposed that to me really fast. Zazza was the best ST player in the US. I remember when he first came from the UK he messaged me on SRK because he was coming to visit for a while, we were instant friends. I had heard of his legendary match vs Daigo back a few years prior.

<VF4> Daigo once said that Zazza was the best O.Sagat of all time.
<CigarBoB> Yeah he was, I fucking hated his O.Sagat., but it's because of him I can rip apart most any sagat with N.Fei. Zazza had been here for about a month before we jumped in my rented Trailblazer and loaded up my cabinet. I had been talking to Kuni a little bit over SRK because he saw the pics of my cabinet, he told me that Ken-O/Gian was coming and that he was the best Sim in japan and at that point I think he was ranked #1 ST player as well. I was insanely psyched for evo at this point. we got into town and unloaded the cabinet onto a dolly and pushed it into the hotel. It is a site to behold, two dudes walking around with a huge custom arcade cabinet/tv/chairs, and PCB's, and me smoking a cigar the whole time. we had a huge group of people around us asking me questions about the cabinet, took it up to someones room and set it up. DSP found us and we played all night,XvSF. When we set it up in a room Kuni followed us in and played for a while. I guess Kuni and Zazza had some issues between then from back when Daigo played him
<VF4> over in the UK when they played in 2004
<CigarBoB> They started to argue for a bit after Kuni beat him with Gief. Zazza got pissed and Kuni told him "Accept defeat". Zazza was maining Boxer at this point and he thought that Boxer owned Gief really band but Kuni showed him otherwise. After all that we packed up and headed to our room to get some sleep. At this point I had also become good friends with Afro Legends on HSF. It's not widely known but I was the one that showed him how to play Boxer and Ryu, well not showed him but gave him the basic info and explained to him how to do it. When Afro first came on to HSF he only played DJ and he was a GameFaqs player.
<VF4> GameFaqs player?
<CigarBoB>back then there were two groups of HSF players, people from SRK and people from GameFaqs.
VF5:FS - Akira, Jean, Wolf, Taka
VF4/EVO/FT - Wolf, Akira, Goh, Kage, Jacky
ST - Dictator, Hawk, Boxer, Honda, O.Hawk, Sagat, Ken, O.Boxer, Claw
3S - Q, Gouki, Ryu III
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  • VirtuaFighterFourVirtuaFighterFour VirtuaFighter.com Joined: Posts: 1,572
    <CigarBoB> For EVO2005 I ran my stuff on the side, didn't have anything to do with EVO officially. I ran ST during Marvel.
    <VF4> So at EVO2005 is the 3v3 side tourney for ST, and the PS1 version for the main event.
    <CigarBoB> Yea, but everyone there considered the main EVO event to be subpar to my 3v3.
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    <CigarBoB> You can see a ton of top players in that pic: DGV, Seth Killian, Apoc, Bob Painter, Bacardi, me and Sabre, Sirlin, Justin Wong, Chikyuu, Gian, NKI, I think I even see DreamTR.
    <VF4> NKI's team won the 3v3 that year?
    <CigarBoB> Yep, Chikyuu gave his winnings to Gian and NKI because he didn't think he deserved them.


    <VF4> yeah as well.
    <CigarBoB> Gian was amazing, never played a Dhalsim like him, he inspired me to play Sim after that, I spent a year just playing with Zazza. Gian's knowledge of the game is amazing, but you have to have that level to play high level sim, IMO DHalsim is #1 in ST but he is the hardest to win with. IMO there were no U.S. Sim players nearly as good as Gian. Cole is good but he wasn't up to his level, if he ever was I don't know

    <CigarBoB> But as far as ST at EVO that year it was a widely head belief that my arcade ST tourney was the real one and the EVO console one was just for fun. After that evo I went home and played nonstop with Zazza. . Break for food, then back to games. Joe and I were playing nonstop, either on LIVE or in person, getting sharper and sharper, then EVO2006 came around and my life fell apart with work and I couldn't go. I recovered and was getting ready for Evo07 and that is when the mortgage industry fell out and I lost everything.

    <VF4> you remember the hype around CCC2?
    <CigarBoB> Fuck yea, never played it, had my cab, never needed to, by then if it wasn't CPS2 I didn't want to touch it.

    <VF4> so you didn't go to EVO2007?
    <CigarBoB> EVO07 I lost everything when the mortgage industry crashed., then I had a serious bout of depression that i couldn't get over for a long time, I'm sure you have read about me not delivering some sticks that I was to build, it was at this time that that happened, to Mike Watson, I totally flaked on it, during that time i kind of avoided anything to do with SF. i was really embarrassed about what I did but, Giga [alias of Zazza] brought me back. I contacted the people i wronged and made amends. , one day I installed GGPO, I played every day, hours and hours, getting better and better, not just returning to form, I was finding new levels that I had never seen before, I was getting closer and closer to Zazza, my Gief was on point, Zazza would have to pull out all his tricks to beat me.

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    CigarBoB's GGPO setup

    <VF4> what new things made you better? new tricks or techniques? higher reversal percentage? greater matchup knowledge?
    <CigarBoB> Watching Jodim, exposure to higher level play, , there were a ton of good US players as well, I remember playing 40+ games with Ganelon Claw vs Gief. GGPO then was 100 people all the time, top players all the time. Lots of players had big egos on GGPO though, when Grahm Wolfe would jump in on GGPO and I could see him in my mind stroking his own ego.
    One night it got so bad that I challenged him to a FT10. I played my ken, and at this point in 2008 I was at the best I had ever played. I beat him 10-4 ken versus Rog, right before that Giga beat him 10-2 Dictator vs Rog. He stopped coming to GGPO for a long time after that because he couldn't handle losing. Lots of top players can't take losing on GGPO so they play under alt names to hide their identities. Now GGPO is a shadow of its former self, you have people like Willdestroya thinking they are top players because no one good plays on GGPO often enough to challenge him and knock him down. There just aren't enough top players, online and offline, to constantly raise the bar. Guys like Damdai, and Rambo deserved to be on the [URL=" , because they are top players, the rest of the U.S. I'm not sure about right now.

    <VF4> There aren't enough players in the U.S. to get to the level that the Japanese are?
    <CigarBoB> That is just a truth that some people don't want to own up to, GGPO is a great tool but you are still limited to the level of players, most people on there are stagnate and don't improve, I'm always pushing my game to get better, but i can only get better than my competition, so there is a limit. You never discover the little things that really matter, for example with Gief, after a knock down you do a meaty st.lk so it hits last frame, makes it a safe meaty because it has 0 recovery, then you SPD to down back during the kick, it's the little things like that with Gief that take your game to the next level

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    <CigarBoB> I didn't go to EVO2008 but i took my cab to 09, by then I had actually built and sold 4 other cabs like mine, but by then I could tell everyone was into HDR.
    <VF4> before HDR came out what'd you expect of the project?
    <CigarBoB> I had really high hopes but i knew that Sirlin would be the weak link, the second i saw Fei's changes I knew it wouldn't be as good, even on paper they don't make sense, when Sirlin posted his change list I make a huge post of why they were wrong. There was one time when him
    and I were in a room, I was still really sharp on my game from GGPO and playing Fei, I played Brian's Guile and ripped him a new asshole. I didn't use one thing that Sirlin put in the game, didn't even use CW at all.
    <VF4> O.Fei style
    <CigarBoB> Yeah, exactly, Sirlin on the mic said "See that is why I made Fei like that", then I spoke up "Sirlin you have no idea what you are talking about. I played that match the exact same way I did in ST. Infact, I had to limit my self to no CW's because they suck now". He left the room and wouldn't talk to me any more after that.

    <VF4> you played the HDR beta online and discovered the ?
    <CigarBoB> Yeah and posted a video to show the speed difference, they changed it right after that, even used the video to demo it. After HDR came out I played it for two months, then quit, never went back, HDR just never felt right to me.
    <VF4> did you go on GGPO after HDR came out?
    <CigarBoB> Yeah i went back to GGPO, but it was crickets around there, 30-40 at peak times, really bad.
    <VF4> I remember HDR being really popular on XBL/PSN when it first came out
    <CigarBoB> really popular, it was crazy, you could go on and play nonstop, i remember i had a record of like 200-9 the first few days, it was actually really boring, then all the iThugs, trashing on me for throwing them

    <VF4> you went to EVO2009 despite HDR being featured? and by that point you didn't like HDR all that much?
    <CigarBoB> I didn't like HDR at all, I still entered it, lost to Caesar on stage, made it to the finals of my bracket vs Viscant, then vs Viscant my make shift table broke and I missed a combo to kill him with Gief. At this point most of the top ST players didn't like HDR, people like SJV were into it and we would have heated discussions about it. Even at this point Damdai was more into HDR than ST, because he didn't have to deal with O.Sagat and Claw. Now he is on the other side, and I agree with him about Gief being over powered on HDR. I still find it funny that people like SJV think that they are experts on ST, he was never anything more than average at ST, but now he is an "expert" and prefers HDR

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    <CigarBoB> Ok so EVO2009, I was running another 3v3 and we had 24 teams for arcade ST, but Ponder came over and shut it down because they needed the floor for the main tourney. The setup was awesome, I had a camera to record the faces, and direct feed audio from the crowd. But Ponder told me to shut it down and refund everyone's money. If I go to EVO this year Im doing a singles ST tourney, big money only like Season's Beatings Redemption.

    <VF4> now after EVO2009 what did you think about the future of ST?
    <CigarBoB> IMO the ST community is slowing fading away, one day it will be gone , in japan maybe it will live on, but here... Its GGPO or nothing. I have a hard time seeing any type of real revival of ST as long as HDR is alive, if we can get rid of HDR and converted 10% of the players to ST then it would be good. HDR killed real ST, nothing more to be said about it.
    <VF4> would you settle for HDR Classic Mode?
    <CigarBoB> Settle? Yea i guess, but I'm at this point in my life that playing anything less than CPS2 is like giving up on a dream.

    <VF4> where you surprised that EVO2010 was HDR Remix Mode again?
    <CigarBoB> Not at all, why would they switch from HDR to ST? It would just kill them for all the noobs that play it, and there aren't enough old men to play classic in high numbers.
    <VF4> I think if you invited YuuVega, Otochun, Kurahashi, and a few others to EVO, it would be enormous for ST and get a lot of people to come out.
    <CigarBoB> Yeah, but why would they come here to play HDR Classic Mode when they can just stay at home and play real ST in the arcade in X-Mania?
    VF5:FS - Akira, Jean, Wolf, Taka
    VF4/EVO/FT - Wolf, Akira, Goh, Kage, Jacky
    ST - Dictator, Hawk, Boxer, Honda, O.Hawk, Sagat, Ken, O.Boxer, Claw
    3S - Q, Gouki, Ryu III
  • VirtuaFighterFourVirtuaFighterFour VirtuaFighter.com Joined: Posts: 1,572
    <VF4> who do you think are the top three Japanese ST players of all time?
    <CigarBoB> Man I have no idea, I have my favoritess, Aniken is my favorite player in Japan, Gian, because he is so crazy[/URL] with his execution, I like to think that my play is some what similar to aniken but that is a far stretch, [URL=" , but he is also a very safe Gief player,

    <VF4> what is your least favorite matchup for each of your mains?
    <CigarBoB> For Ken, I don't really feel like I have any matchups that I cant win with players on my level or a little high, but I would have to say, Honda vs Fei, Honda vs Gief. For Honda vs Fei it is a total turtle fest for Honda
    <VF4> what advice would you give for someone trying to win Fei vs Honda?
    <CigarBoB> use st.fp alot to stop headbutts, good recovery and good hit box, if you should land a cross up just do cr.jab xx rekka, because fp xx rekka will miss on the second hit of the rekka. If you get the lead some how you can sit back and spam LK to stop the head but, but even when you get in on Honda you have to do you damage and get out.
    <VF4> how about Gief versus Honda?
    <CigarBoB> staying just out side st.fp range will stuff most of Honda's moves except cr.jab, Gief versus Honda is where I really get lost, most of the time I don't even have a game plan to pressure him
    <VF4> what kind of Honda players bother you the most in that match? Turtle or aggressive players?
    <CigarBoB> Turtle, at least with the aggressive ones I know that I will get a sweep in and get a splash and a dizzy on him, the turtle is just hard as fuck, his cr.jab beats everything, I cant jump at him, headbutt beats everything,stored oicho is a pain in the ass, jab hands, hell all hands. I've seen Jodim beast on some really good Honda players but I could never figure out how he was doing it.

    <VF4> what is your biggest weakness in ST?
    <CigarBoB> My execution, but not in the way you think, I feel like i have really good reactions and exection, and I tend to sniff out psychic DP's a lot with Ken aid Fei, but I get into a lot of trouble with that too, versus a smart player if I am wrong one time I can die. So something I need to work on is just being a bit more reserved conserve a bit more. Also my FB game isn't too strong with Ken, so I have to rely on my tricks and tactics Ken's FB's aren't that good but I could still use them much better.

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    <VF4> which is better.....ST or HF?
    <CigarBoB> ST IMO, to me ST feels like a much more balanced game, with more options, while I can apprecaite and love HF, it can be very one dimensional in some areas, larger cast of characters and a much wider variety of characters really opens up ST, look at the difference of Rog from HF to ST no where near the same character, Ryu/Ken have become so unique from HF to ST that they can really be considered different characters. I don't think that HF would have lived as long as ST has if the game had stopped there.
    <VF4> were you surprised at how popular HF was on XBL when it came out?
    <CigarBoB> Not at all, it was mainly nostalgia and how cheap it was. The game was the PS1 port on Xbox 360, with too much lag. But, whenever you have a game with thousands of players they will keep playing no matter how bad it is.

    <VF4> is ST the most balanced arcade SFII version?
    <CigarBoB> See, balance is an odd thing, I think that just about everyone has the tools they need to compete vs any character, I rarely ever feel like my characters have any inherent disability that I cant overcome with skill, to play them at a decent level you have to be far better than your opponent

    <VF4> Who is the most underrated character?
    <CigarBoB> i would have to say Fei.
    <VF4> who is the most overrated?
    <CigarBoB> Claw, midlevel players fear the wall dive so much that they shit their pants, he is top tier for sure, but you block the wall dive and you are back to even.

    <VF4> what do you think of counterpicking?
    <CigarBoB> no problem with it, it is up to me to be strong in my hard matches, and its up to my opponent to show nay weakness in my game, I've worked really hard on matches like Gief vs Blanka, and if someone wants to counter pick that ill give them my best.

    <VF4> if you had to enter a tournament like Star Cup, where you get three locked slots, what team would you field?
    <CigarBoB> Easy, right now i would say, Fei/Gief/Ken, if I can get my Dhalsim up to par again I would have to flip a coin for Fei or Sim.

    <VF4> You don't care about what tier your characters are?
    <CigarBoB> No, i never really have, I play the characters that make me feel good when I win. Each of my characters I have to out play my opponent, winning with a max range SPD or a backward MK FP Rekka with Fei or a beautifully timed DP with Ken is far more rewarding than picking Claw. I would put my three man team vs any counter picker. I will guarantee that I know my bad matches far better then they know what should be a good match up. i laugh every time someone counters my Fei with O.Sagat. I remember when I started to tell people that I think that match is even, they thought I was insane, so I had to prove it. O.Sagat player after O.Sagat player would die to my N.Fei.

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    And that's it. Interview number one is done.
    VF5:FS - Akira, Jean, Wolf, Taka
    VF4/EVO/FT - Wolf, Akira, Goh, Kage, Jacky
    ST - Dictator, Hawk, Boxer, Honda, O.Hawk, Sagat, Ken, O.Boxer, Claw
    3S - Q, Gouki, Ryu III
  • papasipapasi N Ken is the truth Joined: Posts: 1,568
    Guys, please help nominate and get this posted to srk front page so we can spread the love of sf2!

    Cigarbob, thanks for spending the time to share with us.

    VF4,
    thanks for your hard work, greatly appreciated.

    I think all sf2 fans will enjoy this piece. thank you guys.

    [ I talked to cigarbob regarding his comment on SJV. He said they're friends but that's just his opinions. I hope people would not take that comment too seriously ]

    BTW, "Accept defeat" is so Japanese

    I can picture Kuni putting his sword back to the sheath, back on Giga and say: "Accept defeat!"

    XDDDDDDDD

    Can't wait for other interviews. This is like those good shit that I used to read from SNES game magazines.
    eltrouble "I doubt that ST will be on the main stream ever again."
    OhNuki: Real men play ST!!
    James Chen: there is something special about playing ST on a cab. It just feels so goooooood.
    Super Turbo Hitbox & safe jump guide http://www.strevival.com/hitbox/
  • BattosaiBattosai Joined: Posts: 766 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Nice interview with Cigarbob VF4.:karate:
  • GanelonGanelon Joined: Posts: 1,101
    Nominated. Certainly a fun read from CigarBoB, who's always been a fun guy to play against. Glad to see you back from retirement.

    That was also a smart line of questioning by VF4. A realtime, custom-tailored interview always flows more fluidly when the interviewer knows how to follow up and is already knowledgeable about the topic. I'd recommend he interview other players he has time and interest for.

    This series of interviews that papasi has proposed is really looking to be a great idea because week after week (well, maybe not that rapid), we'll be receiving a huge amount of info on the game from different perspectives who lived in various places and started SF2 at different times. It's a great way to promote SF2 and also serves as a fascinating reference to the august history of this long-lived game.
  • EngravingsEngravings Joined: Posts: 208
    Got my nomination. Good shit.
  • BoggleMindsBoggleMinds Joined: Posts: 335
    This interview was as good as VF4 said it would be. Nominated!
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  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    Thanks for the interview, vf4 and CigarBob. Great stuff, for sure.
  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    Great job, thanks to both interviewer and interviewee.

    I liked this quote: "winning with a max range SPD or a backward MK FP Rekka with Fei or a beautifully timed DP with Ken is far more rewarding than picking Claw."

    But I think the comments about SJV were unnecessary.
    Just one example of ST fundamentalism on dontblowthis.com: "HDR is just another game with no relation to the Street Fighter II series" - riz0ne
  • Reppin781Reppin781 Joined: Posts: 6
    Man that desk is so cool.
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,203
    That was awesome until the "waa-waa HDR/Sirlin sucks" part. I also agree with geo about the incredibly unnecessary personal attacks.
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  • SweetJohnnyVSweetJohnnyV Streets ahead! Joined: Posts: 1,981 mod
    Great article! Bravo on the great job VF4! I nominated it for an article. But 5% of me regrets doing that because:
    [ I talked to cigarbob regarding the his comment on SJV. He said they're friends but that's just his opinions. I hope people would not take that comment too seriously ]

    LOL! CB, you dick! I don't really take offense to it. I know CB and I assume that was just a friendly jab. But you have some splainin to do next time I'm on GGPO! :rofl::lovin::rofl:

    Just to set the record straight, I don't think I'm an "expert" player. I have no delusions about my skills. If I was to rank my skills on a tier chart, with the Japanse being S rank, and the top US players being A rank, I'd rate myself as a mid to low-end B rank player. In other words I think I'm above average, but certainly not an "expert".

    Now, my knowledge of the game and debating skills may be another story. Hehe, but seriously, I'm a pretty chill and humble guy. Fuck...why am I even explaining any of this. Most of you guys know me well enough :wgrin:
  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,440
    Do all ST guys just circle jerk each other?

    Nice interview, would like to see more, hopefully less sand...
  • CigarBoBCigarBoB Joined: Posts: 895
    Great article! Bravo on the great job VF4! I nominated it for an article. But 5% of me regrets doing that because:



    LOL! CB, you dick! I don't really take offense to it. I know CB and I assume that was just a friendly jab. But you have some splainin to do next time I'm on GGPO! :rofl::lovin::rofl:

    Just to set the record straight, I don't think I'm an "expert" player. I have no delusions about my skills. If I was to rank my skills on a tier chart, with the Japanse being S rank, and the top US players being A rank, I'd rate myself as a mid to low-end B rank player. In other words I think I'm above average, but certainly not an "expert".

    Now, my knowledge of the game and debating skills may be another story. Hehe, but seriously, I'm a pretty chill and humble guy. Fuck...why am I even explaining any of this. Most of you guys know me well enough :wgrin:

    LOL SJV you know i have always hated you!!! I think you know what i meant and I didn't say anything that I hadn't said to you directly in person. Especially when we were debating HDR vs ST at EVO09 during the finals.

    SJV and I just have different opinions on the game.

    And as far my comments on Srilin. I was asked a direct question and I gave a very nice honest answer. VF4 even edited it down quite a bit.

    No need to turn this into a HDR vs ST thing any how.
    Do all ST guys just circle jerk each other?

    Nice interview, would like to see more, hopefully less sand...

    Yes and your not invited.
  • SirlinSirlin Joined: Posts: 141
    More insults, great. CigarBob, I have no memory of that exchange ever taking place between us. The last thing you ever said to me was how great HD Remix is and how much you like it.

    Also, Fei Long is obviously better in HD Remix, I can't believe that's even still debated. (Just look at how he appears in tournaments now...) Beating Brian is neither here nor there. I beat him really badly in person with Fei Long in HD Remix, heavily using the new stuff. No knock on Brian, it has nothing to with anything anyway.

    Sorry to hear that you're full of negativity. Like I said, last I heard from you was all good.
  • CigarBoBCigarBoB Joined: Posts: 895
    Sirlin,
    Thanks for reading and posting in this thread. I refuse to take this to a HDR v ST thread.

    I made my opinion more than clear shortly after HDR came out and I do not need to go into it again. FYI I NEVER said that i loved HDR at any point.
  • SweetJohnnyVSweetJohnnyV Streets ahead! Joined: Posts: 1,981 mod
    LOL SJV you know i have always hated you!!! I think you know what i meant and I didn't say anything that I hadn't said to you directly in person. Especially when we were debating HDR vs ST at EVO09 during the finals.

    Hehe. Ya, i figured I knew what you meant. My only real objection is the insinuation about me thinking I'm some expert. And that's only cause this thing is gonna wind up on the front page. But whatever, if people wanna call me out on that I can probably take most of 'em anyway :wgrin: It's all good dude.
  • papasipapasi N Ken is the truth Joined: Posts: 1,568
    Guys, please calm down.

    This is just one person's opinion.

    We still have folks like DGV, Afro legends, Snakes eyez, Kuroppi, BTC, ganelon who all love/play HDR, and they would have another side of the story to be told.

    Cigarbob is in the ST camp. So just take it as it is. I hope no one is offended as he sometimes can be too straight forward with his words.

    We just want to learn more about SF2's history through different people's perspective.


    [EDIT:

    if you haven't checked out the giga vs danpei match linked in the interview, you're missing some very very solid ryu play

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  • BlueMary69BlueMary69 If I Drown let me Sink Joined: Posts: 749
    <CigarBoB> I didn't like HDR at all, I still entered it, lost to Caesar on stage

    Actually i dont go by caesar people know me now by Mongolorobokop Aka Mongoloidrobo aka MangoRobokop just to let ya know

    P.S. I still hate you
  • CigarBoBCigarBoB Joined: Posts: 895
    hate you too mongo
  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    Guys, please calm down.

    This is just one person's opinion.

    We still have folks like DGV, Afro legends, Snakes eyez, Kuroppi, BTC, ganelon who all love/play HDR, and they would have another side of the story to be told.

    Cigarbob is in the ST camp. So just take it as it is. I hope no one is offended as he sometimes can be too straight forward with his words.

    We just want to learn more about SF2's history through different people's perspective.

    Good point papasi, good point.
    Just one example of ST fundamentalism on dontblowthis.com: "HDR is just another game with no relation to the Street Fighter II series" - riz0ne
  • blitzfublitzfu Cosmic Power Joined: Posts: 3,072
    Great interview. Needs more salt.
  • mikeidgemikeidge Joined: Posts: 565
    great interview. the "real" answers are the best part.
  • snk-playersnk-player Joined: Posts: 101
    hey cigarbob,
    it wasn't really asked much but you did mention that you felt claw is up there among the best. iyo, who is top 5 characters in st.

    also, since you pretty much came from the start (ww days), it's somewhat interesting to see how you prefer st over the other previous games. back then, st was played the least in arcades compared to ww, ce, hf (at least in my area... actually, st was played even less than the bootleg ce machines). many of the people i knew then, actually preferred hf and thought that was the high point as far as gameplay balance/tweaks (although, in my area, ww and ce was still the most heavily played).

    zassa is giga-msx? he should definitely be interviewed. i'm curious if he was heavy into balrog before running into daigo. his rog is a beast along with bison.
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    Also, what are the stick options that you have in your cabs? Which ones do you prefer?
  • MiloDCMiloDC You betcha! Joined: Posts: 473
    Can we have more Sirlin vs. CigarBob, please? I do so love it when name players fight in forums.

    Not joking.
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  • TastyCTastyC 幸せな犬! :D Joined: Posts: 328
    Great interview, nominated :)

    Whatever happened to MSX? Last time I saw him was the fight between him and NKI about using Dictator at Stunfest. Seems to have gone ghost since then :/
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  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
    CigarFrog is my hero ! Best read in a long time ! Can't wait to see the rest of these. Many thank yous to all involved.
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  • CronopioCronopio ST Joined: Posts: 2,164
    EXCELLENT interview. Nominated.

    Hope to see a Giga interview, haven't seen him online since a year or two ago.
  • puppup Joined: Posts: 118
    Please sir can I have some more(stewie's voice)
  • VernonVernon Destroy what destroys you Joined: Posts: 93 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Good stuff, nominated. Can't wait to read the other interviews.
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  • Ev1LEv1L Joined: Posts: 292
    Wow great interview, but this is what ST needs, rivalry, passion, a drive to beat another man........everyone's vanilla ice cool.....perhaps st needs a bit of hype?
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  • ShirtsShirts Former Video Game Player Joined: Posts: 519
    Let's have an Arcade ST 2- or 3-man team tourney at Evo2011. $100 entry per team. I'll add an additional $500 to the pot if we get enough teams. Let's make this a very professionally-ran side tourney. I would definitely come out of retirement and devote a good 5 months to getting my skills back if this was a real possibility.

    My choice of team would be:

    Me, Watson, DreamTR

    or

    Me, Watson, Afrolegends

    Seriously.
  • CigarBoBCigarBoB Joined: Posts: 895
    Shirt's i'm down man.

    But I will not do teams. That shit is just too hard with so many pools being ran and everyone running off to play.

    How about we do the SBR $50 a man 3/5 double elim singles? You throw in your 500 and ill throw in $500 as well?

    What do you say?
  • ShirtsShirts Former Video Game Player Joined: Posts: 519
    Shirt's i'm down man.

    But I will not do teams. That shit is just too hard with so many pools being ran and everyone running off to play.

    How about we do the SBR $50 a man 3/5 double elim singles? You throw in your 500 and ill throw in $500 as well?

    What do you say?

    Seriously, if DreamTR comes to Evo and plays in it, I'll do a single tourney and donate.

    What do you think about Round Robin?

    I got something for these new folk. I see Guiles doing good at Season's Beatings. Are you serious? I eat Guiles for breakfast. I still got some fire in me.
  • Aqua SnakeAqua Snake Never Outskilled... Joined: Posts: 1,334
    ^When is that money match with Snake Eyez in Classic ST happening? XD

    You can do it at SoCal Regionals! He'll be there and I'll record it. :)
  • CigarBoBCigarBoB Joined: Posts: 895
    ^When is that money match with Snake Eyez in Classic ST happening? XD

    You can do it at SoCal Regionals! He'll be there and I'll record it. :)

    LOL I would put $100 on Shirts to win that.
  • DNGR S PAPERCUTDNGR S PAPERCUT Joined: Posts: 1,608
    I'd take that bet bob, I'll drop 100 on snake if it happens.
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  • Ev1LEv1L Joined: Posts: 292
    I'd participate in 50 bucks at evo, 100 seems steep to just throw away my money lol......50 bucks i figure hey, memorable experience and perhaps i get my stick signed by a few legends if i ask politely :)
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  • FuddFudd High Level Parking Joined: Posts: 1,215
    Great interview, nominated.

    And I'd definitely go for another $50 SBR-style tournament.
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