Lan Di must defeat my shoulder ram on CH to stand a chance: THE AKIRA YUKI THREAD

SaranghaSarangha Look within yourselfJoined: Posts: 4,256
Akira is boss and if you hate him come here to learn anti strategies! Don't forget to go to http://virtuafighter.com

Akira VF5FS youtube channels:
http://www.youtube.com/tmgmgr (GDLK Akira)
http://www.youtube.com/baouakira
http://www.youtube.com/Ada4
http://www.youtube.com/hougeki

Will edit this post with necessary info. So feel free to contribute combos,strategies and videos.
http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/comment/8449745/#Comment_8449745

“If you do not pour water on your plant, what will happen? It will slowly wither and die. Our habits will also slowly wither and die away if we do not give them an opportunity to manifest. You need not fight to stop a habit. Just don’t give it an opportunity to repeat itself. (67)”
― Swami Satchidananda, The Yoga Sutras

“For those who have an intense urge for Spirit and wisdom, it sits
near them, waiting.”
― Patanjali, The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali

Nostalgia=Drug



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  • BacardiBacardi steal this avatar Joined: Posts: 5,392 mod
    So is this an Anti Akira thread or an Akira thread?
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  • SaranghaSarangha Look within yourself Joined: Posts: 4,256
    So is this an Anti Akira thread or an Akira thread?
    Both we ain't scared of nothin. This is an Akira thread with the focus on learning him but if peeps want anti-strategies vs him I have nothing against that.
    An Akira thread!
    http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/comment/8449745/#Comment_8449745

    “If you do not pour water on your plant, what will happen? It will slowly wither and die. Our habits will also slowly wither and die away if we do not give them an opportunity to manifest. You need not fight to stop a habit. Just don’t give it an opportunity to repeat itself. (67)”
    ― Swami Satchidananda, The Yoga Sutras

    “For those who have an intense urge for Spirit and wisdom, it sits
    near them, waiting.”
    ― Patanjali, The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali

    Nostalgia=Drug



  • OmegamarthOmegamarth Joined: Posts: 89
    JUUNEN HAYAINDAYO!

    How to fight against Akira:
    A: Try and sidestep everything.
    B: If that didn't work, he's not noob, and kiss your ass goodbye.
  • frostycykefrostycyke Optic..wha? Joined: Posts: 735
    6P4PP eats me alive everytime.

    Ha! I blocked, my turn!
    Wait, you moved back?
    OK, I'll block again.
    What? My block is broken?
    Why am I on the floor?
    PSN-Frostycyke
  • Sage009Sage009 Joined: Posts: 4
    Don't forget about that 214P
  • SchiffSchiff Joined: Posts: 623
    lol, Lan Di.... I miss Shenmue :(
    I want Shenmue III.

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    VF5FS: Pai
  • OmegamarthOmegamarth Joined: Posts: 89
    So guys, BnBs?

    Right now, I'm rolling with 33+P 43+P G!+K G!+K G+K (Charge) P.
    Over 100 damage. You get hit with this, it's GG. And that's just day 1. I feel like there's much more to be found.

    Akira's also got nasty damage off of 46+P, but I have yet to find anything amazing (60 damage off of spamming G!+K after the palm just won't cut it in FS).
    And I still need something good off of G!+K.


    Also, Who else loves the new guard break chain? I'm having a tough time getting it down, but it's going to be a powerful tool in no time.
  • Mr. UnbrockableMr. Unbrockable I like Thomas the Tank Engine Joined: Posts: 1,434
    lol, Lan Di.... I miss Shenmue :(
    You know Shenmue 3 is never coming right?
    Rattle Rattle thunder clatter boom boom boom
  • SchiffSchiff Joined: Posts: 623
    You know Shenmue 3 is never coming right?
    never say never....
    I want Shenmue III.

    SSFIVAE: Gen
    VF5FS: Pai
  • TooseriusTooserius DVERITAS Joined: Posts: 755
    just got the game. I'm maining Akira but I'm ass at the game so far. Any tips?
  • Dracula_XDracula_X unblockable Joined: Posts: 925
    JUUNEN HAYAINDAYO!

    How to fight against Akira:
    A: Try and sidestep everything.
    B: If that didn't work, he's not noob, and kiss your ass goodbye.
    This i do agree with
    Time lost can never be retrieved.
  • just6822just6822 Bagged Milk Joined: Posts: 158
    This is the very little I've leeched from a handful of Akira videos so far. Take from it what you will. VFDC doesn't seem to have a list either and it's driving me nuts.

    64P+G, 2K+G,P, P, iws PP (aoi)
    64P+G at wall, 2K+GPP, 33P+K (jacky)
    64P+G, 2K+G,P, K+GP (jacky)

    666P CH, dash 2P, 43P, qcfx2 PP (jacky)
    666P CH, dash 2P, 43P, P, qcfx2 PP (jacky)
    666P CH, 2K+G,P,P W! 43P(g), qcfx2 PP (jacky)
    666P CH, 2P, 2K+G,P,P (akira)

    6P+K+G, 3346P W! 2K+G,P, ?? (combo was dropped) (jacky)

    33P, 6KP, 3K+G,6P,466P+K (akira)

    (2)46PP W! 33P+K (jacky)

    46P, P, qcfx2 PP (akira)
    46P, P, 2K+G,P,P (akira)


    I haven't memorized weight classes, so idk which combos work on who.
  • XLCowBoyXLCowBoy Join Date: June 1991 Joined: Posts: 599
    Pardon the brackets, I just copy-pasted my post on vfdc: http://virtuafighter.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/325597/Re:%20Combo%20Thread#Post325597

    () - press on hit
    _
    - hold direction

    -
    NH [4][6][P]: (Starter)
    Tested on: Akira
    [P]>[2][P]>[2_][4][6][P] - 56 dmg
    [2][K]+[G][P]([P]) - 56
    :P:>:6::6:[K][K] - 57 (easy)
    [P]>[2][P]>[K]+[G][P] - 61 (up close, no frame loss)


    -
    NH [3][3][P]
    Tested on: Akira
    [4][6][P]>[3][K]+[G][P][P]+[K] - 72
    [4][3][P]>[P]>[K]+[G][P] - 75
    [4][3][P]>[2][K]+[G][P]([P]) - 76
    [4][6][P]>[3][K]+[G][P][4][6][6][P]+[K] - 77
    [6][K][P]>[K]+[G][P] - 77
    [6][K][P]>[2][P]> [2_][4][6][P] - 78 (feels inconsistent)
    [6][K][P]>[3][K]+[G][P][P]+[K] - 79
    [6][K][P]>[3][K]+[G][P][4][6][6][P]+[K] - 83


    -
    Teiro Kanpo~[P]
    Tested on: Akira
    [4][6][P]>[2][K]+[G][P]([P]) - 69
    [4][3][P]>[P]>[6][6][K][K] - 69
    dash in ~ [2][1][4][P]>[3][K]+[G][P]>[4][6][6][P]+[K] - 71
    dash in ~ [2][1][4][P]>[6][K][P]>[1][P] - 77 (easy)


    -
    KNEE
    Tested on: Akira
    [6][K][P]>[1][P] - 65
    [6][K][P]>[K]+[G][P] - 74


    -
    CH [3][P]+[K]
    Tested on: Akira
    [K]+[G][P] - 57
    [2][P]>[K]+[G][P] - 63 (strict timing on [2][P])
    [2][P]> [2_][4][6][P] - 58
    [2_][6][P]([P]) - 61
    [2][P]> [2_][6][P]([P]) - 67 (strict timing on [2][P])
    [2][K]+[G][P]([P]) - 65
    [2][P]>[6][6][K][K] - 65 (easy)
    [1][P]>[2][P]> [2_][4][6][P] - 75 (feels strict or inconsistent)
    [1][P]>[2][P]>[6][6][K][K] - 82 (feels strict or inconsistent)
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  • UltimoUltimo Joined: Posts: 73
    Hey guys I'm new to VF. I keep hearing that Akira is the hardest character to play. Can someone explain to me why? Thanks
  • SaranghaSarangha Look within yourself Joined: Posts: 4,256
    Hey guys I'm new to VF. I keep hearing that Akira is the hardest character to play. Can someone explain to me why? Thanks
    He has a few moves that are demanding from an execution standpoint but like any other character if you practice it is all good. At the same time he doesn't have a full circular attack aka roundhouse kick/trip so it's hard for him to blow up evades. He has some half circular moves so he has to predict which side the person is going to try to evade etc. At the end of the day he is 100% learnable and in this game they made him easier to play by adding df+p as a great poke,db+p to blow up wiffs from a distance and an easier DLC Combo ender. He also gets great frame advantage from forward or down [g]+[p]+[k] which staggers the opponent.

    His huge damage output is the reason he is top on tier lists but the game is still balanced and a great variety of characters are winning tournaments.
    http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/comment/8449745/#Comment_8449745

    “If you do not pour water on your plant, what will happen? It will slowly wither and die. Our habits will also slowly wither and die away if we do not give them an opportunity to manifest. You need not fight to stop a habit. Just don’t give it an opportunity to repeat itself. (67)”
    ― Swami Satchidananda, The Yoga Sutras

    “For those who have an intense urge for Spirit and wisdom, it sits
    near them, waiting.”
    ― Patanjali, The Yoga Sutras of Patanjali

    Nostalgia=Drug



  • SpiderCrawlSpiderCrawl Shadaloo Deserter Joined: Posts: 452
    Akira is easier for sure on the execution front. Still has some stuff that you need to practice, the 1 frame knee comes to mind, but otherwise execution shouldn't scare you off.

    He has godly damage. I'm doing 130 off a counter hit right now. No wall.
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  • UltimoUltimo Joined: Posts: 73
    Ah right on =) Can you guys please give me the notations of the difficult execution moves/combos that every Akira player should know? I'd like to try them in training!
  • chazzy_chefchazzy_chef Joined: Posts: 26
    1P works far too well against the AI, beat Dural first time using just that one move over and over. If only people were so willing to walk into it...
  • SpiderCrawlSpiderCrawl Shadaloo Deserter Joined: Posts: 452
    1P works great as a high crush. Use it if you sniff a high sting.
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  • chazzy_chefchazzy_chef Joined: Posts: 26
    I get it, cos trading favors the higher damage attack right? I'd love to see some big Akira combo videos
  • SpiderCrawlSpiderCrawl Shadaloo Deserter Joined: Posts: 452
    Has nothing to do with trading, it just ducks and then pops them in the mouth.
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  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
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  • OmegamarthOmegamarth Joined: Posts: 89
    I love the body check. It's so good in this game.

    Beat a Jacky scrub who kept spamming what I assume is 66+P by moving to the side, and shoulder ram, for 45% of his life. 2 in a row = GG.
  • chazzy_chefchazzy_chef Joined: Posts: 26
    Since Akira is so good at breaking guard and has great linear attacks, is it appropriate to talk about step killing? I think of him like a powerful version of Raphael in SC. How do you guys beat evades? Throws, 4P?
  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
    The 4P strings, and 46P+K comes from his body, and 46P+K+G comes from around his back. 46P+K and 4P+K+G are also mid and double handed, so if you know which way your opponent is going to try to evade after a tech roll, you can severally limit their wakeup options.

    As far as which direction to guess when using moves with circular (tracking) properties, know that everyone is trying to get away from any of the edges as fast as possible. Although, a smart opponent will know that your sniffing for a wall/ringout and will just chill.

    The one deficiency Akira has had is that he has no full circular moves. While this COULD be a problem, His other moves are so strong that he can do excellent without any.
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  • Jay MJay M PuertoRicanStyL Joined: Posts: 139
    just got the game. I'm maining Akira but I'm ass at the game so far. Any tips?

    Keep using him, you'll little by little learn how to survive with him and gain knowledge on what move to do next/mix up with after you score hits. His elbow and Super Dash Elbow will probably be the moves you use the most.

    I know that seems a little vague lol, but, that's real talk hahah. For pretty much any character (besides the elbow and SDE stuff)

    Sometimes when you're standing and blocking, constantly tapping forward can be good so right after you block a 2P (or whenever you feel like) you can let go of block and hit P to bust out a quick elbow on people or moments you think they'll keep trying to attack after you just blocked their 2P.

    His 1/3 P+K is a good low move cause it gives you advantage on hit. And also good against high punches/high strings cause it gives a CH that you can get a combo off of. It's just a little slow.

    To do his shoulder ram move, I find it easier and faster to do by hitting 11/33 then P+K at the same time you hit 1/3 the second time.
    Late, but still on time.
  • SaitoKojimaSaitoKojima Joined: Posts: 176
    While this new FS Akira is amazing by all means, I kinda wish he had some of his VF4Evo and VF5 moves from the past.

    I especially liked (not sure of each moves' exact commands since it's been a while) his f,f P+K which had a followup with P again. It looked like a mid attack, and then he kinda steps around and slams the opponent with the other first from an overhand. I know the voice sounded like "Ishi~~ Ha!"

    Or his old P+K to P which was a quick one-two punch in close range which was another "Ishi~HAA!" or whatever.


    I also used to like his db P+G+K where he does a stance dance step back, which had follow ups to different kinds of parries and attacks.



    But overall? I still love this new Akira, besides the fact that he's lost some staple moves I grew up on learning so much back then.
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  • DR4GODR4GO Top Tier Whiff Punish Joined: Posts: 1,350


    Akira combo video by me. Exploring his combo potential on all sizes as well as how many 1 frame knees I can do in one combo (I ended up with three).

    Feedback, comments are appreciated.
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  • washowwashow Joined: Posts: 3
    I'm a big noob. But what's the command for the bodycheck?

    also how come sometimes you do the shoulder hit when you do ff+p+k and sometimes like body slam ff+p+k
  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
    Hey guys, check out this podcast with Chibaya, Plague and myself. We talk about picking up Akira, his best tools, and alot of other interesting stuff.

    http://soundcloud.com/andra-pickens/vfdc-podcast-2-mind-of-akira
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  • DR4GODR4GO Top Tier Whiff Punish Joined: Posts: 1,350


    My follow up to my previous Akira combo video. More wall rape, counter hit set-ups and some 'interesting' ways to get Akira back turned.

    Comments, critiques are always welcomed.
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  • TNBTNB Bye. Joined: Posts: 1,180
    just got the game. I'm maining Akira but I'm ass at the game so far. Any tips?
    I'm no expert but here you go. This from what I've seen and learned about Akira even if I'm not say, Minami or Ohsu.

    Go through FS's tutorials. Check out the DandyDLC tutorial and the SEGA tutorials on youtube.
    VF4 Evo is a bro for teaching VF as well with it's.. best. training/tutorial mode. ever.

    After that for Akira
    He's a basics character but he has amazing tools but can get predictable, but that predictability will only go as far as you allow it.
    You're going to want to poke with P, PP, and 66 P. Poking is very fast in VF. Don't try to follow up too much immediately after a disadvantage move as you may very well; get combowned. The range of the move typically determines the distances you can use it at, usually.

    NOTE:
    This post can be seen as a collaborative guide to Akira. So please, provide suggestions.

    Pokin':
    P
    It's a stand jab. This> elbow> throw is a basic flowchart.

    PP
    Delayable string where the second punch hits mid (and therefore breaks through crouching guard).

    Low Jab
    Behold, the movestopper general and throwstopper general. Disadvanatage on block, actually hits high. Everyone has this
    Advantageous on hit though and you can try and go into a mid/ throw situation off of one.
    Really bad things happen if it's sidestep-punish or someone like kage gets an overhead attack on it.
    I could see Aoi parrying this move as well as she can parry... everything. all the time.

    K
    Not exactly the best poke ever, but you can act like you are going to do it and cancel with G.
    Possible reactions to this would be:
    the opponent attempting to attack and/or trying to beat it
    A High block (most of the time it's this from what little I've seen of Kamaage. so you could go for a throw/low/mid/high/guardbreak).
    A Low block
    SS attempt
    Parry or Opponent using a move with parry in it (will whiff)
    Fuzzy Guard
    Throw attempt

    You should use this to bait/ threaten and react accordingly.
    It sort of looks like the Akira Knee when cancelled, so you could have a 50/50 between this and The Knee (KG, just frame, G release in 1f). If you can Knee.

    46 P
    Bufferable off the low Jab, probably hits mid. Good if they block the 2p low and there's a lot of pushback.

    66P
    Disadvantage on block, but you can use it to check reactions. Good players will respect the 66p because it is nasty on counterhit and you can combo after it. It's kind of like an Elbow-doken- it's pretty safe and you throw it out as a poke/counterpoke and to guage reactions. And you'll use it a lot. Hits mid so it hits crouch-ers (you'll probably run into plenty of knee jabbers in vf so it's good to go and figure out moves that punish this)

    You can go in and threaten with this move to make the opponent stand guard which will allow you to bust out something like his back throw (which you can combo off of) or one of his guard break moves, which are very quick and also can be combo'd off of.

    It's worth noting that this is sidestepped so if you are expecting an evade it woul;d be a good idea to buffer in one of your own if the opponent chooses to sidestep to keep you in their face. Akira doesn't have a lot of spinning moves and it's best to keep the opponent in front of you (again, from what I've seen from much better players). IF Akira has really good moves for punishing SS, someone please tell me. I'm learning too.

    (To be completed, please help me with this).

    Throws

    Back throw
    Back throw is a bro. You can combo off of backthrow and those combos can set up oki mixups.

    Any of the other throws you can combo from

    Other throws- because mixup/sometimes you need an input that isn't the other throws you have been using and you want to do some oki.

    Good moves to know
    Youhou- yo ho, yo ho, a damaging combo is me. many versions I have, up to two or three!

    PKG, similar moves and followups
    you can visually check whether this move hits and then buffer in the followup string.


    The Knee (KG)
    Akira put out an album once, it was called "Kneez to the Chest".
    A just frame knee launches and is good to use in combos.

    (Some of these I don't know the inputs for so check the video movelist, the game movelist and vfdc. still learning.)
    High Guard break
    Forgot the input, but Akira just sorta leans forward and pops open the opponent's guard with one hand. Looks like he does it pretty effortlessly.
    Lots of followups can be done after this.

    Mid Guard Break
    Akira Leans down and thrusts both fists in a half circular motion. Has a canned followup that does a lot of damage

    2palms
    Akira thrusts forward and disables rib movement for a week. Lots of pushback.

    Fw k and followup
    Fw K is like a ghetto knee.
    IT has a punch followup that is delayable and can catch the opponent attacking.
    Can also be used as oki.

    Double Palm Overhead
    Dunno how to do this but it's used a lot. Someone tell me why, por favor.

    Shoulder ram
    Because shoulder ram.

    Delayed double fist strike
    Huge damage, pushback, sends em flying on hit.

    The "Plague"
    Kind of like Akira's version of lions quick double half circular jab to the feet.

    6KK
    The oldschool combo filler/ ender. Delayable.

    Any move that allows a throw "on hit or block"

    P, 4 and followups
    basically a one move mixup and the followups start a nice little combo.

    Stun Palm of Death
    THAT. MOVE.

    I think there's a version that starts with a low kick too, which is awesome.

    Basic Mixups
    PP
    P, 6p or throw
    P, < and followups
    Low P, Mid, mid followup or throw.
    mid/throw/high guard break/ do nothing and wait for reaction
    Crouch dash and mid elbow/guard break/throw
    KG cancel and knee/throw
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  • Optimus CackOptimus Cack yes man kablam Joined: Posts: 269
    What makes Akira scary is 666p (super dash elbow as i've heard/seen it). It's one frame slower than an elbow, but guarantees a combo on any hit and is ridiculously safe, even on whiff. Seriously, you can evade one and not be able to touch Akira. It's also strong enough that it will clash with and crush anything of similar start-up speed. It's a huge part of Akira's game.

    Akira may not have much of anything in the way of crescents, but there are other ways of dealing with an evade-happy opponent. Not having good crescents isn't as bad as you might think. He has a good throw game, decent damage and direction options (decent ones ending with different directional inputs). One of the best ways to punish careless evades is just not hitting buttons for a second. Hitting a failed evade is a major counter, so waiting to punish a failed evade is sometimes better than swinging away at every opportunity.
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