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  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    Here was my question to Damdai: "btw did any of you guys that came to Japan for SBO (or any other time) ever play ARG? Did anyone actually win against him? Ganelon claims so in the forum." and here was his reply: "I only remember him at one Nakano Royal event we went to. I think Yuu Vega peaced him out of the tournament."

    When adjusted for per capita, the US doesn't even make the top 10 laureates: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_laureates_per_capita Also, you can win a Nobel Prize and still have a list of people you are trying to kill. An American managed to do that already so what does that tell you about Nobel Prizes.

    I will put serious money behind this belief that I'd win in a mm against you: 100 yen. I don't think you'd beat any of the mama bears. If you want me to pass along any particular mm challenges to Japanese players, just let me know and I'll put the word out.
  • GanelonGanelon Joined: Posts: 1,101
    I'll ask further on that ARG point before repeating it again then. I doubt I could beat the mama bears now without some hardcore practice either, hence why the match spread is in their favor.

    I'm not a fan of calling anybody out for a money match without significant reason, hence why my $200+ challenge for the past 2 Evos was directed not to anyone in particular but rather a challenge at large to the US. But if I ever qualify for SBO again, I'll definitely call on you for some modest (<=$20) mms to any bear who wants to play.

    EDIT: I asked around and it appears I was wrong. The US has never beaten ARG (or any of the 3 big bear JP claws) in-tourney. The win I heard about last year only happened in regular casuals. And I would agree that's not the best predictor of serious play. I strive to relay accurate info and base my opinions on such so my apologies for the confusion.
  • SorwahSorwah Joined: Posts: 891
    Program looks nice.
  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    Fluxcore has a great report about that "block cross-up by going to neutral" thing using scripts:
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/blocking-xups-everytime.169538/page-3#post-7691142
  • yogaboyyogaboy Joined: Posts: 65
    mrdhalsim, thx for such a well done training tool.

    Is the zip in the google code project the latest version? Is there any place where you push the branches and updates?

    It'd be easier to contribute if there's an open repository to manage issues and new patches. The google code repository with a slight different setup would be enough. Thanks!
    Easiest solution that would please almost everyone -> a decent port. That is, the DC version of ST running on a PS4/XBOX.
    Difficult part -> get capcom involved. Whoever achieves that gets the golden egg and solves the problem for once and for all. Period ;)
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,260
    Off top (or on topic) why do people still call it "wall dive"? d,u+p wall dive. d,u+k is barcelona attack...
  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    @yogaboy Yes, that is the latest version, but no, I haven't pushed out updates-- but very glad to hear of any interest. I'm open to your suggestions for the google code page!

    @Jion_Wansu yeah I guess it's just called "wall dive" due to tradition from the arcade days and everyone had to make up local "house names" for the moves. (and in the earlier games, his wall dive had him stay on the back wall for a few seconds before coming down.) Actually I have a book here and incidentally, the official names (according to THIS particular book, anyway) are "Flying Barcelona Attack" for the wall dive (charge down, then up+Kick), and "Izuna Drop" for his super's normal (charge down, then up+Punch). btw there are all kinds of crazy names for his normals too, like "Slam Claw" for his standing mid punch, "Round Slider" for his slide, "Dragon Whip" for his crouching mid kick, and "Lizard Whip" for his light kick.

    btw these srk forums are still slow as molasses for me- hopefully this post makes it....
  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    @yogaboy Yes, that is the latest version, but no, I haven't pushed out updates-- but very glad to hear of any interest. I'm open to your suggestions for the google code page!

    @Jion_Wansu yeah I guess it's just called "wall dive" due to tradition from the arcade days and everyone had to make up local "house names" for the moves. (and in the earlier games, his wall dive had him stay on the back wall for a few seconds before coming down.) Actually I have a book here and incidentally, the official names (according to THIS particular book, anyway) are "Flying Barcelona Attack" for the wall dive (charge down, then up+Kick), and "Izuna Drop" for his super's normal (charge down, then up+Punch). btw there are all kinds of crazy names for his normals too, like "Slam Claw" for his standing mid punch, "Round Slider" for his slide, "Dragon Whip" for his crouching mid kick, and "Lizard Whip" for his light kick.

    btw these srk forums are still slow as molasses for me- hopefully this post makes it....
  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    @yogaboy Yes, that is the latest version, but no, I haven't pushed out updates-- but very glad to hear of any interest. I'm open to your suggestions for the google code page!

    @Jion_Wansu yeah I guess it's just called "wall dive" due to tradition from the arcade days and everyone had to make up local "house names" for the moves. (and in the earlier games, his wall dive had him stay on the back wall for a few seconds before coming down.) Actually I have a book here and incidentally, the official names (according to THIS particular book, anyway) are "Flying Barcelona Attack" for the wall dive (charge down, then up+Kick), and "Izuna Drop" for his super's normal (charge down, then up+Punch). btw there are all kinds of crazy names for his normals too, like "Slam Claw" for his standing mid punch, "Round Slider" for his slide, "Dragon Whip" for his crouching mid kick, and "Lizard Whip" for his light kick.

    btw these srk forums are still slow as molasses for me- hopefully this post makes it....
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,722
    Holy quadruple post! Yeah, the SRK forums have been garbage for the last few months. Admins are testing out new server options, so hopefully when that kicks in, these slowdowns and errors go away. I'm guessing increased site traffic is messing things up for SRK crew.

    I'll be trying out this Trust program whenever I can. I'm trying to find old tools to help new players learn specific aspects about ST, and I think this program seems to be the perfect fit. Thanks for this XSPR!
  • KuroppiKuroppi くろっぴ Joined: Posts: 891
    XSPR has given me a write-up and explanation on TRUST, which you can read here.

    Since this thread got resurrected, I noticed that I never got around to moving XSPR's writeup over to the STR site. You can now find it here:

    http://www.strevival.com/strategy/trust/
    Shhh... ST in da house!

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  • delatroydelatroy My Blue Boat Joined: Posts: 293
    Hi XSPR! Let me join others in thanking you for creating such an excellent tool!

    I have an LUA question that you might be good enough to help me regarding if it's possible to execute both one and two player commands at the same time. To demonstrate what I'm trying to do let's consider the case where we have player 2 (Ken) jump in with medium kick and have player 1 (Dhalsim) do his super to defend.

    I have the following script:
    &79 W10-
    L.UL.W25.5, # Ken jumping, waiting 25 frames & landing medium kick

    +
    L.DL.D.DR.R.L.DL.D.DR.R1.W10. # Dhalsim's super

    W190!

    It works fine in respect that it will successfully execute both "moves" (super for P1 and air attack for P2) as intended however the timing is a problem. With Dhalsim, I want for him to execute late, almost when Ken lands, however because Ken waits 25 frames after jumping before pressing medium kick, this 25 frame delay affects when Dhalsim's super will start and hence Dhalsim gets hit and has missed his super.

    Generally my question is about how we can better control time for both players in a way that's independent of each other. Is it possible to execute commands in parallel instead of sequentially somehow?
  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    Hi Delatroy, yeah what you want to do is definitely possible (any input you want for any given frame, across a sequence of frames, basically). I haven't tried out your scenario just yet to confirm though (hopefully it follows convention of having the gamestate start from start-of-round positions so we can recreate it easier without having to share savestates?). Anyway to better choreograph P1's inputs along with P2's inputs, use the alternative notation that uses angle brackets. So if you want P1 and P2 to do stuff at the same time, start with a

    < and write what P1 should do here, then a forward slash / and put P2's inputs here and then closing angle bracket >

    like that. The basic notation has you use + to indicate P1's inputs and - to switch to P2's but as you mention there's a delay. Don't use +/- with this alternative way.

    Sorry for the quadruple post! It kept telling telling me it didn't get posted at all. I'd like to delete those extras but it's usually timing out for me.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,722
    Since this thread got resurrected, I noticed that I never got around to moving XSPR's writeup over to the STR site. You can now find it here:

    http://www.strevival.com/strategy/trust/

    Awesome! Now I can direct newbie ST players to this section of STR.

    Btw Kuroppi, you have a repeat paragraph in the TRUST section of the website. Might want to delete it:

    TRUST is a program designed to address this gap. It stands for T.raining R.egimen U.nder S.uper T.urbo, and lets you customize your own training mode particular to any given scenario that you want to practice. It even comes with a number of lessons built-in, which offer a kind of "missing manual" that never came with the game itself.

    Maj wrote about a similar concept here that reminds us how awkward it was to learn a fighting game in the first place.
    Sorry for the quadruple post! It kept telling telling me it didn't get posted at all. I'd like to delete those extras but it's usually timing out for me.

    It happens a lot on SRK nowadays.
  • KuroppiKuroppi くろっぴ Joined: Posts: 891
    Awesome! Now I can direct newbie ST players to this section of STR.

    Btw Kuroppi, you have a repeat paragraph in the TRUST section of the website. Might want to delete it:

    TRUST is a program designed to address this gap. It stands for T.raining R.egimen U.nder S.uper T.urbo, and lets you customize your own training mode particular to any given scenario that you want to practice. It even comes with a number of lessons built-in, which offer a kind of "missing manual" that never came with the game itself.

    Maj wrote about a similar concept here that reminds us how awkward it was to learn a fighting game in the first place.

    Thanks for catching that. I went ahead and fixed it.
    Shhh... ST in da house!

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  • yogaboyyogaboy Joined: Posts: 65
    @mrdhalsim: I didn't get the notification of your answers and I have just seen all the new messages in this thread now. My bad.
    I can help you setup the repository. Let me send you a private message and we can work on it outside of this thread.

    @kuroppi: Congrats for the new strategy section!!! The link 'TRUST thread on SRK' in the article is broken. Also, it might be convinient to put the direct link to the installable somewhere (http://code.google.com/p/trust-xspr/downloads/list) so readers don't have to jump through so many pages to get there.
    Easiest solution that would please almost everyone -> a decent port. That is, the DC version of ST running on a PS4/XBOX.
    Difficult part -> get capcom involved. Whoever achieves that gets the golden egg and solves the problem for once and for all. Period ;)
  • yogaboyyogaboy Joined: Posts: 65
    @kuroppi: It seems everything is fixed. You were so fast that maybe it was fixed before I posted :D You rock!
    Easiest solution that would please almost everyone -> a decent port. That is, the DC version of ST running on a PS4/XBOX.
    Difficult part -> get capcom involved. Whoever achieves that gets the golden egg and solves the problem for once and for all. Period ;)
  • KuroppiKuroppi くろっぴ Joined: Posts: 891
    @kuroppi: It seems everything is fixed. You were so fast that maybe it was fixed before I posted :D You rock!

    I just happened to be working on something on the website when you sent me that message so I was able to fix it right away.

    Yeah, there's not a whole lot in the strategy section yet. I blame MuffinMan and Papasi for that. ;)
    Shhh... ST in da house!

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  • papasipapasi N Ken is the truth Joined: Posts: 1,568
    I blame wordpress, lol.
    eltrouble "I doubt that ST will be on the main stream ever again."
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    James Chen: there is something special about playing ST on a cab. It just feels so goooooood.
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  • jactiafjactiaf Down, but Never out Joined: Posts: 31
    edited February 2013
    @mrdhalsim, I'm thrilled and elated that TRUST exists because now I can start working on getting better at options selects. I read the TRUST article on STR and I downloaded the program, but I'm struggling to get it working as Everytime I tried executing a lesson a new window popped up saying that it was loading but then it just disappeared in a matter of seconds. I should also note that I'm using windows 7. Can anyone point me in the right direction so that I can get the ball rolling with TRUST? Much appreciated, Thanks!
    Post edited by jactiaf on
    -- He wears you down, you get bored, frustrated, do something stupid, and he's got ya

    -- It's not that I have no honor, I do/ it's just I play with No Restraints with the No Honor Crew
  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    jactiaf said:
    @mrdhalsim, ...could you or anyone else PM me as to where I can find the ROM that works with mame-rr?
    No.

    The SRK forums are NOT a way to exchange ROMs.  It's strictly against the policy here, and for good reason.  While I want to provide a training mode for Capcom's game that we fans might feel Capcom should have done themselves, I have to draw the line at some point and that's one place over the line.  I don't even want to be asked about this point and this should be clear enough why.  TRUST has never gotten a frontpage mention for TRUST but it's understandable why with this as just one possible reason why that might be (despite the fact that SRK has posted Mane6's artwork of their My Little Pony thievery, in the very same breath of posting Hasbro's cease and desist letter specifically saying to take that kind of artwork down.  That is definitely wrong, yet a week on and they still flaunt it prominently on the very TOP of the srk front page, even).
  • jactiafjactiaf Down, but Never out Joined: Posts: 31
    I profusely apologize for my ignorance Mr. Dhalsim.  I absolutely miscommunicated my intent and all I'm asking for is some support to get TRUST working as the basic instructions provided on STR left me confused and TRUST not working.  If you or anyone could help me in trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong in setting up TRUST I'd really appreciate it and I again apologize for my idiocy and previous comments,
    -- He wears you down, you get bored, frustrated, do something stupid, and he's got ya

    -- It's not that I have no honor, I do/ it's just I play with No Restraints with the No Honor Crew
  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    edited February 2013
    TRUST Version 4.0 is now available.



    New Features:

    +20 new "Custom" slots
    Savestate Creator
    Config inputs a little easier
    Edit Observe scripts from menu, and
    Edit Lesson's HTML (center pane text) a lil easier

    More of the Savestate Creator will be automated, but for now you have to select P1 and P2 manually and press Shift-F7 like in the video at the start of the round.  Then you can load &7 in your current Custom scripts, or rename it (best to keep the number within the right range, see prev. info) to so you can work on others scripts and come back to it later.

    You can download it here:

    http://code.google.com/p/trust-xspr/downloads/list

    You can use that for both upgrading as well as new installations (new users).  It won't overwrite your current Custom Slots 1-10, but feel free to back up anything before upgrading (customs, etc) in separate folder.

    XSPR
    Post edited by mrdhalsim on
  • delatroydelatroy My Blue Boat Joined: Posts: 293
    I'm not sure if it were asked before. How can we enable the visual hitbox hacks with TRUST? I saw a video where XSPR is analysing a Claw wall dive and it shows the hitboxes but I don't see an option natively in TRUST to enable that.
  • delatroydelatroy My Blue Boat Joined: Posts: 293
    If anyone cares, I was able to enable the hitboxes simply by pressing the 1P start button which executes TRUSTsf2-hitboxes.lua.
  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    I guess I don't get notifications sent to me automatically anymore, for this thread with the new forums. Well, at least the forums load this time.

    Yeah, it's Start button to toggle hitbox display on/off. Press the 5 key on your keyboard (Lua hotkey 5) to toggle input display (lower left/right corners). It's mentioned in the Getting Started guide, but surrounded by a mountain of other text so easily overlooked I guess? But these two features are very useful.
    http://code.google.com/p/trust-xspr/wiki/GettingStartedWithTRUST
  • delatroydelatroy My Blue Boat Joined: Posts: 293
    No problem. Thanks XSPR.
  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    New mix up- scratch rough rugged and raw:



    I was thinking about a theme for the Afrolegends vs. Damdai matches. Ignore actual video footage- tried to get TAP pause super out but forgot I had the button held down for the super, d'oh.
  • damdaidamdai www.damdai.com Joined: Posts: 1,079
    edited May 2013
    mrdhalsim wrote: »
    New mix up- scratch rough rugged and raw:

    I was thinking about a theme for the Afrolegends vs. Damdai matches.

    supercade.damdai.com
    tonamento.damdai.com
    frame-advantage.com
  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
    lol first blodd has been DRAWN
    <garyangel> ceks,cani,robbiers,yito all mexico players dont know where kyouya
    <garyangel> (((((((((((((((
    <djfrijoles> kyouya is with his gf gary
    <Random.Jab.DP.Spamer> his gf is gary ?
  • bookahbookah Joined: Posts: 29
    DJF wanted me to comment on damdai's diss video directed at Afro Leg-Ends, but I think I'll refrain.
  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
    lol indeed I did.
    <garyangel> ceks,cani,robbiers,yito all mexico players dont know where kyouya
    <garyangel> (((((((((((((((
    <djfrijoles> kyouya is with his gf gary
    <Random.Jab.DP.Spamer> his gf is gary ?
  • damdaidamdai www.damdai.com Joined: Posts: 1,079
    It's no diss. You guys are warmongers. It applies to both of us!
    supercade.damdai.com
    tonamento.damdai.com
    frame-advantage.com
  • DNGR S PAPERCUTDNGR S PAPERCUT Joined: Posts: 1,608
    Looks like the East Vs West rivalry is about to kick back up. This is going to get hype. Unless the Far East comes in and stomps on everyone like they did last year. Fuck those guys.
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    Ah shit..    
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  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
    its a diss lol
    <garyangel> ceks,cani,robbiers,yito all mexico players dont know where kyouya
    <garyangel> (((((((((((((((
    <djfrijoles> kyouya is with his gf gary
    <Random.Jab.DP.Spamer> his gf is gary ?
  • bookahbookah Joined: Posts: 29
    It's definitely a diss.
  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
    Ive never seen a bigger dis in my whole Mexican life
    <garyangel> ceks,cani,robbiers,yito all mexico players dont know where kyouya
    <garyangel> (((((((((((((((
    <djfrijoles> kyouya is with his gf gary
    <Random.Jab.DP.Spamer> his gf is gary ?
  • bookahbookah Joined: Posts: 29
    That diss video posted by damdai makes me feel bad for Afro Leg-Ends. Actually, no it doesn't.
  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
    I wonder if legends afro will post a diss video in return to damdizzles diss video
    <garyangel> ceks,cani,robbiers,yito all mexico players dont know where kyouya
    <garyangel> (((((((((((((((
    <djfrijoles> kyouya is with his gf gary
    <Random.Jab.DP.Spamer> his gf is gary ?
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    Huge diss. Ask Sesho.
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