Hacking the ST rom...

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  • felinekifelineki Joined: Posts: 981
    edited October 2013
    We still need to come up with an effective and reliable way to actually edit the graphic data. I managed to (just barely) figure out how to combine the ROMS in a way that they'll open properly in Tile Molester (for the 16x16 tiles, at least), but I have yet to actually try to modify something, split it back into the base ROMs, then see if it will work in MAME or whatever. We probably ought to get someone to write some sort of tool for combining and resplitting the graphics ROMs.
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  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    If you do edit I'm sure you know how to set up a batch file for it.

    8x8 shouldn't need joining.

    32x32 - 11AA22BB33CC44DD.

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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 5,880
    So what's the code to select shin gouki? Is it hold start plus KKK and PPP at the same time...
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 5,880
    Is it hold start+PPP+KKK?
  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    A few days ago I just thought of doing something similar to Vampire and use the sprite instead.
    Mpvxufp.png

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  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    I can see doing this in HSF2 with ease as each block of the old portrait is written so I don't have to code.
    uQzdMw7.png

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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 5,880
    Did you know that the CPU can use Super versions of the characters in HSF2?
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 5,880
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 5,880
    yup
  • JitterdoomerJitterdoomer Joined: Posts: 1
    edited November 2013
    I would like to thank Felineki and Jedpossum for finding such unused content hidden in ST Rom. BTW, I'm the one made the TCRF page about this game because I had a permission from Rage Quitter 87. Now let's back to my topic, is anybody got access to Tournament Battle Mode? Because ST used to have a sequel to TB called "League Battle" the graphics about this unrealized game were inside the ROM itself complete with Japanese text explaining the rules of the "League Battle" mode and this was the only time we see the "TURBO" font from the game's title screen to be used during the game.
  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    edited November 2013
    Tournament battle is real buggy in ST especially that all the network checks always pass when they shouldn't so the game will semi-lock up after a check looking for data from another board.

    As for League battle I see nothing pointing to those graphics when I edited the title screen. So they're either completely unused or located some where else far from the title screen graphics.

    Edit:
    Also If you start working on a TCRF page for Hyper Street Fighter 2 most of graphics from the old games are in the roms Stages, Character Select, Versus screens.

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  • yogaboyyogaboy Joined: Posts: 65
    I know I am suuuper late to the party but I had no idea that pugsy's mame cheat for ST lets you select initial stage, select old colors for new characters and viceversa, change special input motions, etc
    Easiest solution that would please almost everyone -> a decent port. That is, the DC version of ST running on a PS4/XBOX.
    Difficult part -> get capcom involved. Whoever achieves that gets the golden egg and solves the problem for once and for all. Period ;)
  • JizzonJizzon ...or Thenarus, whichever. Joined: Posts: 650
    I wish I had the talent to make Zangief do the ending Russian dance every time he wins by time over =p
  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    edited February 2014


    Patch for SSF2XJ set
    http://www.mediafire.com/download/4bb15k0oajtbz5b/SSF2JX_Patcher.EXE
    Put roms 3 and 4 of ssf2xj in the same folder as the exe and run the exe
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  • yogaboyyogaboy Joined: Posts: 65
    Now I need some hardware expert that explains to me how to rewrite the eeproms of my b-board with these modified ROMs :)
    Easiest solution that would please almost everyone -> a decent port. That is, the DC version of ST running on a PS4/XBOX.
    Difficult part -> get capcom involved. Whoever achieves that gets the golden egg and solves the problem for once and for all. Period ;)
  • FaithLesFaithLes Joined: Posts: 4
    edited March 2014
    I have a request for SSF2T rom set.
    1: Being able to select original outfit collars from SSF2.
    2: Make games difficulty adjustable so its not just on extremely hard regardless of the setting used.
    3: Free Play.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,712
    edited March 2014
    FaithLes wrote: »
    I have a request for SSF2T rom set.
    1: Being able to select original outfit collars from SSF2.
    2: Make games difficulty adjustable so its not just on extremely hard regardless of the setting used.
    3: Free Play.

    1. That would neat.
    2. You already can. Go into the test menu. CPU is pretty easy to beat on the lowest setting.
    3. Only available on JP board. That, or get it phoenixed.
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  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,686
    I suggest before we target changes colors, we focus on core technical changes like selectable CPU opponent (right now you are stuck with whatever random character you fight first) and possibly stage select (as I've heard there are a few stages that actually affect game speed).
    eltrouble wrote: »
    FaithLes wrote: »
    3: Free Play.
    3. Only available on JP board. That, or get it phoenixed.
    There's a version of "Clean" ROMs with free play on JP region. If you are not familiar with "Clean" ROMs they are an alternative to Phoenix ROMs. They revive dead boards, but are "clean" because they don't have all the extra features that Razoola put in (region change, jukebox, etc.). Official site here:

    http://cps2.avalaunch.net

    -ud
  • FaithLesFaithLes Joined: Posts: 4
    edited March 2014
    eltrouble wrote: »
    FaithLes wrote: »
    I have a request for SSF2T rom set.
    1: Being able to select original outfit collars from SSF2.
    2: Make games difficulty adjustable so its not just on extremely hard regardless of the setting used.
    3: Free Play.

    1. That would beat.
    2. You already can. Go into the test menu. CPU is pretty easy to beat on the lowest setting.
    3. Only available on JP board. That, or get it phoenixed.

    I stand no chance on easy setting and im an experienced SF player. I can maby get to the 2nd or 3rd fight and i will be dead. Changing the difficulty makes no diffrens.
    I know that SSF2X is easyer but i dont want JAP text and im accustomed to diktator name as M.Bison and so on. Thats why i would love a proper version of SSF2T.
    Prehaps it would be easyer to hack SSF2X and translate every thing from SSF2T? Then all im missing would be original collars :-)
    BTW im using MAME.

    PS: not sure what you mean about: 1. That would beat?

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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,712
    FaithLes wrote: »
    I stand no chance on easy setting and im an experienced SF player. I can maby get to the 2nd or 3rd fight and i will be dead. Changing the difficulty makes no diffrens.
    I know that SSF2X is easyer but i dont want JAP text and im accustomed to diktator name as M.Bison and so on. Thats why i would love a proper version of SSF2T.
    Prehaps it would be easyer to hack SSF2X and translate every thing from SSF2T? Then all im missing would be original collars :-)
    BTW im using MAME.

    PS: not sure what you mean about: 1. That would beat?

    I think a lot of it is learning how to abuse AI glitches. Like being able to spam spin kick with Ryu and beat Deejay for free, or constantly doing jb.roundhouse to beat Zangief.

    The first point was an error. I've had a weird problem lately where I tend to combine or omit certain words together and type out weird sentences. It's annoying.
  • undamnedundamned Wake up! Time to die! Joined: Posts: 1,686
    eltrouble wrote: »
    The first point was an error. I've had a weird problem lately where I tend to combine or omit certain words together and type out weird sentences. It's annoying.
    Sux being robot :(
    -ud

  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    edited March 2014
    Here is my to do list in priority. And they're not on the same level either.

    High (Won't be another release until fixed one of these is fixed)
    KO Slow Down Removed(On everything)
    Fix Throws to behave properly at low health (No standing)

    Med
    Player 2 character is the stage*

    Low
    Select AI*
    Any Debug features(If I find them, might have to remove sprites either background to prevent flickering and more slowdown)*

    Really Low
    Remove timer graphics
    Allows Supers to be done any time
    Add Free Play on non-phoenixed sets

    * If it requires 10th rom won't bother with it for awhile. When I'll attempt a more proper training mode.
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  • coNcoN Joined: Posts: 869 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I love you jed.
    Tee-Fucking-Hee...
  • hanasuhanasu Joined: Posts: 130
    edited March 2014
    eltrouble wrote: »
    FaithLes wrote: »
    3: Free Play.
    3. Only available on JP board. That, or get it phoenixed.

    Freeplay only on US board.

    Also thanks jed, doing great work.
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  • papasipapasi N Ken is the truth Joined: Posts: 1,568
    jedpossum wrote: »
    Here is my to do list in priority. And they're not on the same level either.

    KO Slow Down Removed(On everything)
    Fix Throws to behave properly at low health (No standing)

    Slow down fix would make it very usable for training!
    Thanks for the Amazing hack
    eltrouble "I doubt that ST will be on the main stream ever again."
    OhNuki: Real men play ST!!
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  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    Nice, You could of looked at or talked about the memory map of the cps2 to help decide what needed to be changed instead of guessing.
    0x000000 - 0x3FFFFF Main Program
    
    0x400000 - 0x40000A - Encryption(aka the battery memory on pheonixed roms it's 0xFFFFF0 - 0xFFFFFA)
    
    0x618000 - 0x619FFF Shared ram for the Z80 aka tells what sfx or music to play.
    
    0x660000 - 0x663FFF Network Memory
    
    0x900000 Start of Graphic memory can change with each game.
    
    ST
    0x900000 - 0x903FFF Palette
    0x904000 - 0x907FFF 16x16
    0x908000 - 0x90BFFF 32x32
    0x90C000 - 0x90FFFF 8x8
    0x910000 - 0x913FFF 16x16 mainly hud and character names on select screen
    
    0xFF0000 - 0xFFFFFF - Main Memory
    
    

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  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    Playing as CPU in GGPO might be fun. You pick Guile, people spectate and wonder how the fuck you walk up Boom or Flash Kick. But, I suppose, people would need the hacked ROM to see matches.
  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    You don't have to do a rom hack it's a simple flag in the memory.

    Got bored and decided to do some projectile hacking.




    For St I've only started found the projectile speed table.

    Every one uses the same table and just reads at different places.
    Start 0x2F8800
    
    XSPP YS## XSPN YS##
    


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  • Axel KellyAxel Kelly Joined: Posts: 1,481
    Would it be possible to edit ST to allow characters to move before and after the round? That's my favorite feature in some CE hacks
  • papasipapasi N Ken is the truth Joined: Posts: 1,568
    awesome hack jedpossum, n ken needs that fb buff!
    eltrouble "I doubt that ST will be on the main stream ever again."
    OhNuki: Real men play ST!!
    James Chen: there is something special about playing ST on a cab. It just feels so goooooood.
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  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    edited April 2014
    papasi wrote: »
    awesome hack jedpossum, n ken needs that fb buff!

    Well the table is shared with most characters I haven't tested all the characters even old characters.

    So, if I edit speed 300 and 400 it would apply to both N.Ryu's and N.Ken's Light and Medium Fireball speed.

    Fireballs work differently in this engine compared to alpha engine. In the alpha engine each projectile was separately programmed with it's own table in the later games that even change how it moves. Like Lilith's Soul Spark has amount of hits, X speed, and a timer. While Lei lei's item projectile is just four jump parabolas. And Anak's curse only has x speed and y speed.

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  • pofpof Joined: Posts: 28
    New post on my blog, presenting a new training mode using MAME cheats.
  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    You know, you could of easily asked for the addresses instead of comparing the roms.

    My notes for the hack
    --------------------------------
    --Rom3----Rom3----Rom3----Rom3--
    --------------------------------
    -------------
    ----Timer----
    -------------
    Mid Match
    Adr - FE8E
    Hex - 1B40 0DD0
    
    Character Select
    Adr - ECDA
    Hex - 637C
    
    -------------
    ----Super----
    -------------
    Doesn't drain
    Adr - 27FA8
    Hex - 422E 02C4
    
    ----------
    --Throws--
    ----------
    Addresses
    4A76
    4DAE
    Hex
    377C 0090 
    
    Throw 1
    Ko Slow Down
    Adr - 4A96
    Hex - 4EB9 0007F2B2
    
    -------------
    ---Throw 3---
    -------------
    Adr - 49C2
    Hex - 377C 0090 
    
    Remove KO knock down
    Adr - 49E6 
    Hex - 177C 0002
    
    -------------
    ----Music---- 
    -------------
    Character Select
    Adr - E2FC | ECBE | ECCA
    Hex - 303C 0034
    
    
    --------------------------------
    --Rom4----Rom4----Rom4----Rom4--
    --------------------------------
    -----------
    Projectiles
    -----------
    Adr - BEBAC (3EBAC)
    Hex - 357C 0090
    
    Ko Slow Down
    Adr - 
    Hex - 
    
    ------------
    Regular Hits
    ------------
    Life Refill
    ADR - BE64C (3E64C)
    Hex - 357C 0090
    
    Ko Slow Down
    
    
    ------------
    Random Notes
    ------------
    P1 -- p2 + 400 
    ADR = FF844E
    LIFE = ADR + 2A
    
    
    
    How long push box is gone after a throw
    4E30
    Original ASM
    move.b #$1C,($DE0, A5)
    Binary
    1B7C 001C 0DE0
    

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  • pofpof Joined: Posts: 28
    Thanks jedpossum! Updated the cheat file with your notes.
  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    Vampire Savior Stage Selection
    
    A5 = 0xFF8000 -- Settings,various timers you know global data.
    
    0x020704
    jsr     $ae7c.l
    	lea     ($400,A5), A0 --Loading p1 slot
    	lea     ($800,A5), A1 --Loading p2 slot
    
    --If versus
    tst.b   ($131,A5)
    bne     $aea8
    
    lea     ($15be,PC), A2; ($c468) --Stage table pointer being loaded
    
    jsr     $14e8a.l -- This sub routine is everywhere but here it aids in the randomization of stages.
    	move.w  ($d4,A5), D0 
    	move.w  D0, D1
    	add.w   D0, D0
    	add.w   D1, D0
    	lsr.w   #8, D0
    	add.b   D0, ($d5,A5)
    	move.b  D0, ($d4,A5)
    	move.b  ($d5,A5), D0
    	rts
    
    andi.w  #$f, D0
    moveq   #$0, D1
    move.b  ($382,A1), D1
    lsl.w   #4, D1
    add.w   D0, D1
    
    move.b  (A2,D1.w), D0 --Stage has been selected
    
    move.w  D0, ($100,A5) --and now part of the main memory
    

    I know this isn't ST, but some one could potentially add a weighted randomization to stages. It needs some reworking as stage values in Vsav are always even. Also, finding a nice place in the code to add this routine.

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  • ShariShari Overestimated. Joined: Posts: 2,626
    edited April 2014
    I haven't been following this thread so i don't know if anyone has gone over this yet and if so im sorry but im wondering how hard it would be to normalize the speed of all the stages and if so to release a rom with only that change ?

    Edit: Actually as an addition to that if such a change were to be made what would be considered the baseline stage that all the others would be changed to follow ?
    Haunts: Is it lag or just impeccable footsies and spacing, I don't know.
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  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    As a way to normalize speed would be getting rid of the sprites in the background like I did in Birdie's A2 stage a long time ago.

    A true base line would be absolutely nothing no bg layers, no bg sprites, no raster effects, no palettes, even getting rid of the slowdown mechanic from fireballs on the stage were the cpu is just processing the characters and maybe the hud.

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  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    edited May 2014


    A step closer to random stages.

    It's not much so far since the character select timer doesn't move in my training mode hack.
    Address 39A6 
    jsr $ccc10.l
    
    Address CCC10 
    move.w($61d2,A5), D0
    andi.w #$f, D0
    move.w d0 ($c4e,A5)
    add.w d0,d0
    rts
    
    Address 39A6 (rom 3)
    4EB9 000CCC10
    
    Address CCC10 (4CC10 rom 4 )
    302D 61D2
    0240 000F
    3B40 0C4E
    D040
    4E75
    

    Edit:
    I found a place to add the code in the roms.

    Now with the code added in full with the character select timer enabled.


    edit 2
    GGPO test and jsr change 2
    Look at that Battle Number
    PP1VITU.png
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