Martial Masters anyone?

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  • ShishiohShishioh Starbreaker Joined: Posts: 2,921
    Snake just doesn't have any glaring weaknesses I can think of. You could say that Crane's BS is just a lot stronger overall, only needing 1 bar for 100% and being able to setup unblockables anywhere.

    What's wrong with Tiger's jump? Too slow?

    Yeah....Reika puts the pickle him kinda easy....Me and Redmyst were playing and if he got away from me, I was fucked beyond belief.:rofl: Jumping straight up was hard enough let alone going forward.

    I'll test it more with him and other characters. But I do feel some people jump a bit to low.

    But it is bad ass what you're doing for this game though. Thanks.
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  • RedmystRedmyst Always learning Joined: Posts: 177
    Snake just doesn't have any glaring weaknesses I can think of. You could say that Crane's BS is just a lot stronger overall, only needing 1 bar for 100% and being able to setup unblockables anywhere.

    What's wrong with Tiger's jump? Too slow?

    Oh ok. That cleared it up for me.
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  • Gwyrgyn BloodGwyrgyn Blood Joined: Posts: 682
    Yeah....Reika puts the pickle him kinda easy....Me and Redmyst were playing and if he got away from me, I was fucked beyond belief.:rofl: Jumping straight up was hard enough let alone going forward.

    I'll test it more with him and other characters. But I do feel some people jump a bit to low.

    But it is bad ass what you're doing for this game though. Thanks.

    Sorry for the late reply. But yeah, I know what you mean about Reika. And Tiger's hitbox is kind of funky on the way down too which doesn't help. Few things that should help though... don't forget about super jump as it makes you jump higher (in Tiger's case anyway) and is pretty fast still. Also, try jumping the fireball late. Because of the way Tiger's hitbox changes on the way down, it'll make it a lot easier to get over them. Of course, this gives Reika extra time to get you, so be careful.

    Also, if she's trying to lock you down at a close range with them, you can go entirely through even the slow projectiles with his 214B+C shadow. Which should give you a free out of her dumb shit. Also don't forget the MASSIVE vacuum on his 236236K super. If she tries to throw them at short range, you can beat her clean with it.

    Another really important thing: 63214K->236C, once active, has upper body invincibility and thus can go cleanly through Reika's projectiles. So what you can do is just wiff the 63214K at mid screen and do the followup. This is a really solid strategy with Tiger in general because at full distance, this move is totally unpunishable (it's -5F and leaves you at a distance) and if it hits you get BIG damage.

    And of course if she's playing a real pure runaway game, take the time to Taunt to build up some meter, if you don't have any.

    But yeah, sometimes the best option is just to block and walk forward. Use the Tackle or 63214K to cover the last gap in distance.


    Anyway, one more tiny patch: http://www.dragoninstall.com/junk/MartialMasters_Patch_vC_Final.rar
    Some minor fixes for Lotus and Ghost Kick. Should help Ghost out a lot against Reika.


    I also updated my Tier listing for the vanilla game a little bit after some recent discoveries:
    S+ Crane
    S Reika, Snake, Monkey Boy, Huang, SaoJin
    A+ Monk, Tiger
    A Lotus, Scorpion
    B Ghost Kick, Drunken

    Notable changes:
    Monkey Boy steps it up after discovering how stupid good throw setups are off 214B+C. Good potential to move even higher still.
    Tiger steps up thanks to 63214K->236P being sooo good among other things.
    Lotus steps up thanks to massive frame advantage coupled with a lightning fast unblockable.
    Ghost/Drunk drop down just to keep things organized.
  • Siberianhusky89Siberianhusky89 Joined: Posts: 118
    Wow, you guys actually discuss this game here? That's pretty badass. You guys even have a tier list too. Though, I'm not sure I'd agree with the tier list for this game. I think that Ghost Kick has an infinite loop he can do anywhere as long as he knocks you down, unless everyone in the game has that. I like the Drunken guy though and agree that he's not as good as some of the others.
  • Gwyrgyn BloodGwyrgyn Blood Joined: Posts: 682
    Wow, you guys actually discuss this game here? That's pretty badass. You guys even have a tier list too. Though, I'm not sure I'd agree with the tier list for this game. I think that Ghost Kick has an infinite loop he can do anywhere as long as he knocks you down, unless everyone in the game has that. I like the Drunken guy though and agree that he's not as good as some of the others.

    If you're talking about that infinite on Youtube, it doesn't work at all. You can tech roll between the hits of it. Also it only works on a few characters anyway.
  • Siberianhusky89Siberianhusky89 Joined: Posts: 118
    I see... Quite interesting... I still like this game alot. How balanced is the game would you guys say that as far as overall?
  • ProphestusProphestus Martial Masters LP Joined: Posts: 336
    Anyway, because I was bored and interested to see what could be done, I developed a balance patch for the game that removes all of the practical infinites and greatly tones down all of the 100% loops, as well as a few other minor things. It's far from finished but if you are interested in dicking around with it, you can grab it here: http://www.dragoninstall.com/junk/MartialMasters_Patch_vC_Beta5.rar

    Its been awhile since I've seen this thread, I cannot believe that you released a custom patch, thats amazing. Have you had much time to play test it, and how do you think it effects the current tiers? I love this game but I'm way out of practice, time to get back on it.
  • xX_Deus_XxxX_Deus_Xx ItsCool2BeDismissive Joined: Posts: 2,579
    subscribe to thread
    Have fun, and be safe with it.

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  • Gwyrgyn BloodGwyrgyn Blood Joined: Posts: 682
    Its been awhile since I've seen this thread, I cannot believe that you released a custom patch, thats amazing. Have you had much time to play test it, and how do you think it effects the current tiers? I love this game but I'm way out of practice, time to get back on it.

    I think it helps, but there's still all kinds of crazy crap going on in this game so it's really hard to say. There's definitely some more obvious stuff that needs fixing, like the OTG infinite stuff on Drunken Master, run startup needs a few more frames of uncancelable time, jump recovery needs to not be cancelable into jumps (LOL). Probably all doable, but this game really needs some GOOD netplay and people really playing it, more than anything else.

    Also:
    Fun vid, shows off some wacky crap. Mostly Drunken Master OTG infinites and Crazy Mode (ie infinite bar) combos but there's a few choice interesting bits in there.
  • jdog82jdog82 Tatsumaki senpuu kya Joined: Posts: 8
    Heard Martial Masters is comming to the iPad
  • AceKombatAceKombat (́◕◞౪◟◕‵) ”WINNERS DON’T USE ALMIGHTY.” Joined: Posts: 2,113
    I played it a bit , and it's pretty ok . I might give this game a try...

    Testing it with Mame ++117 , and it can't combo at all compared to latest mame :sad:... I'll try Mame ++132 and see if it has same problems , if not , then I'll try to see if I can get people to play online using this emu :smile: .

    Gwyrgyn Blood : I don't know how , but that is amazing how you gotten the infinities patched :smile: . I'm hoping that majority of the players will play this game using your patch :tup:

    Tested it with Mame++132 and it has better playability , so it's possible to play this game well online . However I think this version of mame is hard to find .
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  • The Electrifying OneThe Electrifying One Coming4EVO Joined: Posts: 1,282
    Really interested in how you made the patch? WHat did you edit in the code and how did you access the code you needed to change? Is this something that could plausibly be done for other emulated games that have balance issues- like say, 3S or any of the Marvel games pre-MVC2?

    Pretty pissed they took Martial Masters out of my local arcade :(
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  • Gwyrgyn BloodGwyrgyn Blood Joined: Posts: 682
    Really interested in how you made the patch? WHat did you edit in the code and how did you access the code you needed to change? Is this something that could plausibly be done for other emulated games that have balance issues- like say, 3S or any of the Marvel games pre-MVC2?

    Pretty pissed they took Martial Masters out of my local arcade :(

    I used a Mame Debug build, you can look through memory and the game code (in assembler) with it. It takes a while to find what you need but yeah you could do it with most any games you want. How much you can change depends on how things are coded though, and it gets really tricky trying to mess with memory pointers and stuff like that. But in the case of MM, it's really easy to adjust stuff like how much damage things do or how much meter they build. Engine bugs would probably be a nightmare to fix for any game.

    For AceKombat- You should really run the game in FBA if you can. It's much smoother and there's less input lag from what I can tell.
  • Plexo_TlipocaPlexo_Tlipoca Joined: Posts: 33
    Matches on nicovideo from a japanese tournament

    http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm9876883
    http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm8903878

    There's more.
  • Lord BBHLord BBH EASY EASY~ Joined: Posts: 1,137 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    why does the game default to 3-on-3 in versus mode? I've looked in the service mode for a way to change versus play to the 1P's mode single character 2/3 rounds, but there doesn't seem to be a way? There really aren't enough characters to warrant it being 3-man teams...
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  • c001357c001357 Time Wizard Joined: Posts: 577
    You could choose the same characters 3 times if that's what you're looking for.
  • YingyayYingyay Cash-Earned Master Joined: Posts: 116
    i wish i could get the new fba to compile i suck at that sorta thing, but its decent on nebula. Would rather play on fba tho. I luv crane and huang.
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  • digimonemporerdigimonemporer Joined: Posts: 2,612
    Which version of FBA allowed Martial Masters to be played ("flawlessly"/or with least amount of issues)? Because I updated my FBA (like a moron, and didn't create a back up) to FinalBurn Alpha v0.2.96.98 and Martial Masters isn't working. Infact this version of FBA isn't even registering the game in the rom scan. :sad:

    any help would be appreciated.

    EDIT: I found the working emulator: http://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/arcade/finalburnalpha.html

    Posting this here incase anyone else wanted to try the game out, but struggled with finding a version of FBA to play it on.

    If anyone knows a more updated version of FBA that DOES SUPPORT MARTIAL MASTERS, please let us know.

    As far as the rom, well those that don't have it as of now are kinda SOL...and you'll have to find it on your own.

    Hint: rom nation, under god, with liberty and justic for all.

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  • Plexo_TlipocaPlexo_Tlipoca Joined: Posts: 33
    There's one silly infinites with Reika as well:

    J.B crossup, \ /, (B)xn.

    This can be done against a standing SaoJin, a crouching Monkey Boy and a crouching Drunken Master. Every time you hit them with the low kick, the character will be pushed towards you, thus, causing this easy infinite. A crouched Red Snake seems to share similar behavior, but i can only link three kicks with her.
    May be there are other ways to exploit these characters?
  • KaneKane biding my time Joined: Posts: 388
    Is there a way to play this game on GGPO in the unsupported games lobby or is the version of final burn alpha that comes with GGPO is too outdated for the game? I don't even see the game's name on the list.

    Thanks.
  • JetKinenJetKinen Joined: Posts: 595
    Ressurecting the Thread.

    The DragonInstall site is dead, so is there any other place i could get the cheat file and the patch?
  • KaneKane biding my time Joined: Posts: 388
    JetKinen wrote: »
    Ressurecting the Thread.

    The DragonInstall site is dead, so is there any other place i could get the cheat file and the patch?

    I don't know about the patch but just copy and paste this in a martmast.ini file and you will have the cheats:
    cheat "Infinite Time"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x80AC19, 0x63

    cheat "Infinite Energy PL1"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x81C67F, 0xD1, 0, 0x81C67E, 0x01

    cheat "Drain All Energy Now! PL1"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x81C67E, 0x00, 0, 0x81C67F, 0x00

    cheat "Infinite Power PL1"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x80DA99, 0x09, 0, 0x80DAA1, 0x68

    cheat "Always No Power PL1"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x80DA99, 0x00, 0, 0x80DAA1, 0x00

    cheat "Always Full Guard PL1"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x80D725, 0x00

    cheat "Always No Guard PL1"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x80D725, 0xFF

    cheat "Infinite Energy PL2"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x81C7BB, 0xD1, 0, 0x81C7BA, 0x01

    cheat "Drain All Energy Now! PL2"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x81C7BA, 0x00, 0, 0x81C7BB, 0x00

    cheat "Infinite Power PL2"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x80DC55, 0x09, 0, 0x80DC5D, 0x68

    cheat "Always No Power PL2"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x80DC55, 0x00, 0, 0x80DC5D, 0x00

    cheat "Always Full Guard PL2"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x80D8E1, 0x00

    cheat "Always No Guard PL2"
    default 0
    0 "Disabled"
    1 "Enabled", 0, 0x80D8E1, 0xFF


  • JetKinenJetKinen Joined: Posts: 595
    Thanks mate
  • NescalitonNescaliton Joined: Posts: 8
    Would someone kindly put som active link this last patch of balancing the game as not meeting somewhere and tell me where I lap this file of cheating because I already pasted the folder, which is in confg called martmas. ini, but nothing happens, and finally, I tried to modify the bios clock to unlock the Saojin, but when I do ok, and out of the system screen, I see that the date remains the same. Thanks in advance to anyone who wants to help me.
  • NescalitonNescaliton Joined: Posts: 8
    I found this site here, http://www.general-files.biz/files-m/martialmasters containing the file: MartialMasters_ Patch_vC_Final. rar, but this offline. someone who has this file could help me and gives it to me please? or tell me how I can talk to Gwyrgyn Blood because it was he who created the update., and can give me the file
  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    edited August 2014
    My google fu and archive.org turned up nothing so it's seems lost to the tides of time. I was looking for it awhile ago too. When few of my friends found out you could do custom games on SuperArc/Arclive.

    I occasionally stream so you can see how boring poking around in the memory is. www.hitbox.tv/jedpossum

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  • NescalitonNescaliton Joined: Posts: 8
    then the business and try to talk with some of the other ai above that at the time of this discussion had the update, and asked them to give us or talk with Gwyrgyn Blood. I already so happy because you came to me and now you can help me because I do not usually post much on forums, so look the same, try to help me and talk to any of them or mostly with Gwyrgyn blood because he still here and active the shoryuken and dustloop. porfavor master. I need this update.obrigado for help.
  • Plexo_TlipocaPlexo_Tlipoca Joined: Posts: 33
    I think i have that patch, but in my other cpu. I'll give news to you soon.
  • NescalitonNescaliton Joined: Posts: 8
    I think i have that patch, but in my other cpu. I'll give news to you soon.

    you are saying that you have this update here: MartialMasters_Patch_vC_Final.rar? when I saw you and you were one of the discussion that estavao years ago and suddenly I saw you posted again, cringed rsss. and its final version of this update master Plexo_Tlipoca? I would be honored and happy when you put it to me.
  • NescalitonNescaliton Joined: Posts: 8
    Where you Plexo_Tlipoca ??? lol
  • NescalitonNescaliton Joined: Posts: 8
    This update would have someone more to move me please?
  • Plexo_TlipocaPlexo_Tlipoca Joined: Posts: 33
    Sorry, every time i forgot this. Here's the link
    http://www.mediafire.com/download/7et98duupbhc7ky/MartialMasters_Patch_vC_Final.rar

    Plz, tell me if it worked for you.
  • NescalitonNescaliton Joined: Posts: 8
    could someone give me the update of martial masters?
  • Plexo_TlipocaPlexo_Tlipoca Joined: Posts: 33
    Are you telling me that there's a newer patch?

    ¿Me está diciendo entonces que hay un parche más actualizado que el que le pasé?
  • NescalitonNescaliton Joined: Posts: 8
    worked very well for me master. I just saw that you had put the update now because I was on page 3 of the forum as you had put the update on page 4 rssrrssr. thank you and to my knowledge there is no longer any updates and sorry for bad english
  • Half-RoHalf-Ro Omae wa mo shinderu.... Joined: Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I have been experimenting lately, would love to give it another shot and play. That patch sounds pretty important though.
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