Hyper Street Fighter II

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Can't find any threads about this game. I counted the characters and this game totals 98 characters!
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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    There probably was a thread somewhere when the game was first released. Not much to say other than there is little reason to not use the Champion Edition/Hyper Fighting characters because they kill everyone else...
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,722
    Fun game to play, but competitively imbalanced as far as character usage goes. Way worse than in ST.
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,255
    The following modes/characters are:

    WW
    CE
    HF
    SR
    OST
    ST
    STO

    We should have nothing banned in this game and see what happens. Also, eltrouble, people still play the MVC games and most of the versions of the MVC games/characters are imbalanced as well.
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    ST old chars are strictly better than S2 chars: they recover one frame faster from hits and blocked attacks.

    The big 5 in ST are also viable characters in Hyper.

    Shogatsu won tournaments with ST O.Honda and CE Claw.

    ST (hyper) and ST (original) are the same in several instances.

    The game is extremely funny outside the US, since people won't always pick CE Dictator, CE Guile, WW Guile and CE/ST old Sagat. It's too unbalanced.
  • hanasuhanasu Joined: Posts: 130
    Definitely not a very fun or competitive game. Not sure why it fetches such ludicrous prices.
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,255
    hanasu wrote: »
    Definitely not a very fun or competitive game. Not sure why it fetches such ludicrous prices.

    i used to have the HSF2 collector's edition for PS2 with Chun Li's bracelet's and some gaming book. I think something Final Fight related came with it as well. I sold it back in 2008 or 2009 for like $50
  • UnessentialUnessential Joined: Posts: 1,171
    hanasu wrote: »
    Definitely not a very fun or competitive game. Not sure why it fetches such ludicrous prices.

    Its an extremely rare board with lots of demand outside the competitive community. Actually the competitive community usually has a negligible impact on the value of games because the amount of non competitive collectors overshadow us. With exceptions obviously.

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    edited January 2014
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    edited January 2014
    Because he can't control his temper. I personally like AE. As long as there is a tacit agreement not to be a douche and constantly use CE Bison/Guile I usually have a great time.
    ST old chars are strictly better than S2 chars: they recover one frame faster from hits and blocked attacks.

    That still doesn't negate the damage/dizzy potential disparity that the CPS1 cast has over the CPS2 cast.
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  • 7 5 07 5 0 Joined: Posts: 467
    I play HSF2 everyday at work. It feels smoother than ST and a bit faster with the same speed settings of the two. There are TONS of variety and so much fun!

    I hate to say this, I committed heresy abandoning ST casually in favor of HSF2. It's too damn FUN. Now I can barely go to Next Level tournaments to compete in ST on the head to head cabinet -_-
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,722
    7 5 0 wrote: »
    I play HSF2 everyday at work. It feels smoother than ST and a bit faster with the same speed settings of the two. There are TONS of variety and so much fun!

    I hate to say this, I committed heresy abandoning ST casually in favor of HSF2. It's too damn FUN. Now I can barely go to Next Level tournaments to compete in ST on the head to head cabinet -_-

    It's a fun casual game, but competitively a mess. Variety starts to become non-existent when everyone's picking the best CE and HF characters.
  • cjkid123cjkid123 Joined: Posts: 39
    Hey 750 you play HSF2? so do I, but i play on GGPO
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    edited August 2014
    I don't think I've ever seen people in the HSF2 lobby in GGPO. I only rarely run into HSF2 players (or people who tolerate it) on Supercade.
    eltrouble wrote: »
    It's a fun casual game, but competitively a mess. Variety starts to become non-existent when everyone's picking the best CE and HF characters.

    I actually rarely run into people who go with the usual suspects. Shit, I fought a WW dhalsim the other day lol.
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  • cjkid123cjkid123 Joined: Posts: 39
    I don't think I've ever seen people in the HSF2 lobby in GGPO. I only rarely run into HSF2 players (or people who tolerate it) on Supercade.
    eltrouble wrote: »
    It's a fun casual game, but competitively a mess. Variety starts to become non-existent when everyone's picking the best CE and HF characters.

    I actually rarely run into people who go with the usual suspects. Shit, I fought a WW dhalsim the other day lol.

    Exactly, Occasionally you'll get someone who will BS you by picking WW Zangief & stuff like that but for the most part everytime I play on GGPO the character select is very diverse.
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202

    cjkid123 wrote: »
    I don't think I've ever seen people in the HSF2 lobby in GGPO. I only rarely run into HSF2 players (or people who tolerate it) on Supercade.
    eltrouble wrote: »
    It's a fun casual game, but competitively a mess. Variety starts to become non-existent when everyone's picking the best CE and HF characters.

    I actually rarely run into people who go with the usual suspects. Shit, I fought a WW dhalsim the other day lol.

    Exactly, Occasionally you'll get someone who will BS you by picking WW Zangief & stuff like that but for the most part everytime I play on GGPO the character select is very diverse.

    Which is weird, since WW Gief isn't that good (close landing SPD doesn't outweigh not being able to move the lariat).
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  • cjkid123cjkid123 Joined: Posts: 39
    cjkid123 wrote: »
    I don't think I've ever seen people in the HSF2 lobby in GGPO. I only rarely run into HSF2 players (or people who tolerate it) on Supercade.
    eltrouble wrote: »
    It's a fun casual game, but competitively a mess. Variety starts to become non-existent when everyone's picking the best CE and HF characters.

    I actually rarely run into people who go with the usual suspects. Shit, I fought a WW dhalsim the other day lol.

    Exactly, Occasionally you'll get someone who will BS you by picking WW Zangief & stuff like that but for the most part everytime I play on GGPO the character select is very diverse.

    Which is weird, since WW Gief isn't that good (close landing SPD doesn't outweigh not being able to move the lariat).

    But he has this trap were if your blocking low he can D.LP,D.HK into a SPD which not only throws your defense off but gets you caught in one of his more powerful moves. Then he closes in with either Jumping HP or Body Splash to counter or trade hit whatever you do & the get's in close to rinse & repeat the above. Also not to mention those WW tick stuns which after anywhere from 2-4 hits get you daze already. Well it's what I've experienced at least.
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    Yeah, those CPS1 rapid lp/lks into dizzy are killer lol.
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  • 7 5 07 5 0 Joined: Posts: 467
    cjkid123 wrote: »
    Hey 750 you play HSF2? so do I, but i play on GGPO

    Cool, looks like I need to set up ggpo again on this SSD drive. Too much configuring argh.
  • Spirited_AwaySpirited_Away Joined: Posts: 516 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    The weirdness continues the game is being re-released on NESiCAxLive Network along with Vampire Savior, SFA3 and SF3:Third Strike.
  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    edited August 2014
    Not really, that weird just throwing an emulator on there. Surprised it wasn't done sooner. Pretty sure people will complain about them having delay or going too fast.

    Edit: Just thought of another complaint. Too expensive, why play on Nescia for 100 yen when you could play on the real hardware for 50 yen.
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  • 7 5 07 5 0 Joined: Posts: 467
    The weirdness continues the game is being re-released on NESiCAxLive Network along with Vampire Savior, SFA3 and SF3:Third Strike.

    +1 Dreamcast ST avatar.
    This news only benefits JP gamers.
  • cjkid123cjkid123 Joined: Posts: 39
    does anyone still play this on GGPO?
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    The weirdness continues the game is being re-released on NESiCAxLive Network along with Vampire Savior, SFA3 and SF3:Third Strike.

    Even weirder that Ono said Hyper SF2 is essentially the gold standard of SF2 right now. When did that happen?
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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    edited August 2014
    Anyone want to do a quick "best SF2 version of the character in HSF2" poll? Here's mine:

    Ryu: tie HF & ST (HF may be the strongest version of Ryu but he doesn't have the utility of CPS2 Ryu's juice kicks)
    Ken: CE (the angle on his HP SRK is stupid crazy
    Honda: ST (using the OG ST code)
    Chun: ST (ditto)
    Blanka: Hmm... tie between HF & ST (two completely different playstyles)
    Gief: HF (between the kick lariat not being sweepable and no wiff SPD, HF Gief has to be near the top of the HSF2 tier list)
    Guile: CE (dat crouching mk. No WW Guile isn't worth picking for his redizzy jab)
    Sim: ST
    Hawk: Old ST (subjective I guess)
    Cammy: ST
    Fei: ST
    DJ: ST
    Rog: ST
    Vega: ST (some people use CE Vega, absolutely baffled as to why)
    Sagat: CE (would be Old ST if they didn't nerf him)
    Bison: CE (fucking cross up psycho crusher and SK frame traps)
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  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    edited August 2014
    Anyone want to do a quick "best SF2 version of the character in HSF2" poll? Here's mine:

    Ryu: tie HF & ST (HF may be the strongest version of Ryu but he doesn't have the utility of CPS2 Ryu's juice kicks)
    Ken: CE (the angle on his HP SRK is stupid crazy
    Honda: ST (using the OG ST code)
    Chun: ST (ditto)
    Blanka: Hmm... tie between HF & ST (two completely different playstyles)
    Gief: HF (between the kick lariat not being sweepable and no wiff SPD, HF Gief has to be near the top of the HSF2 tier list)
    Guile: CE (dat crouching mk. No WW Guile isn't worth picking for his redizzy jab)
    Sim: ST
    Hawk: Old ST (subjective I guess)
    Cammy: ST
    Fei: ST
    DJ: ST
    Rog: ST
    Vega: ST (some people use CE Vega, absolutely baffled as to why)
    Sagat: CE (would be Old ST if they didn't nerf him)
    Bison: CE (fucking cross up psycho crusher and SK frame traps)
    I mostly agree, but Ryu would be CE, then HF, then ST. CE/HF tatsu makes him really slippery. CE Ryu doesn't have air tatsu styling, but maintains the CE stun on his aerial attacks.

    HF Honda is also really strong, if you have Shogatsu-like jumping skills.
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    edited August 2014
    I mostly agree, but Ryu would be CE, then HF, then ST. CE/HF tatsu makes him really slippery. CE Ryu doesn't have air tatsu styling, but maintains the CE stun on his aerial attacks.

    HF Honda is also really strong, if you have Shogatsu-like jumping skills.

    I was under the impression that CE and HF chars had pretty much the same dizzy potential. Seeing how HF air tatsus are kinda worthless, I'd totally swap HF for CE Ryu if that was the case.

    As for HF Honda, as someone who's played HF and ST religiously with Honda as a main, I can say without hesitation that CPS2 Honda in general is way better than HF Honda. When it comes down to it, the only thing HF honda has over CPS2 honda is the HK sumo smash hitting on the way up. Which is really nice, sure, but it doesn't negate the negatives: Sumo smash doesn't knock a grounded opponent down, headbutt stops directly under opponent always (which can make punishing wiffed SRKs and the like a lot more difficult depending on the situation), and headbutt doesn't knock down a grounded opponent. He does get an instant dizzy from a two hit sumo smash or headbutt, but those are incredibly hard to land on purpose.
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,722
    edited August 2014
    Even weirder that Ono said Hyper SF2 is essentially the gold standard of SF2 right now. When did that happen?

    He never said that. He just believes that it's newer than ST and it's still being played so that's the one they chose. It's complete horseshit. Most hardcore players use ST as the tournament standard, and if they use HSF2, it's to play ST. HSF2 is just a very prevalent arcade board. Clearly, he's out of touch with the real scene itself.

    I think the real reason is that you gain access to all different SF2 characters, which would be seen as "fun" to the more casual players. You get the best of both worlds this way.
    Anyone want to do a quick "best SF2 version of the character in HSF2" poll? Here's mine:

    Ryu: tie HF & ST (HF may be the strongest version of Ryu but he doesn't have the utility of CPS2 Ryu's juice kicks)
    Ken: CE (the angle on his HP SRK is stupid crazy
    Honda: ST (using the OG ST code)
    Chun: ST (ditto)
    Blanka: Hmm... tie between HF & ST (two completely different playstyles)
    Gief: HF (between the kick lariat not being sweepable and no wiff SPD, HF Gief has to be near the top of the HSF2 tier list)
    Guile: CE (dat crouching mk. No WW Guile isn't worth picking for his redizzy jab)
    Sim: ST
    Hawk: Old ST (subjective I guess)
    Cammy: ST
    Fei: ST
    DJ: ST
    Rog: ST
    Vega: ST (some people use CE Vega, absolutely baffled as to why)
    Sagat: CE (would be Old ST if they didn't nerf him)
    Bison: CE (fucking cross up psycho crusher and SK frame traps)

    CE/HF Ryu is way better than ST ryu. The speed and recovery of his fireball basically makes him a shorter Sagat. This, combined with high damage and priority on his grounded kicks and jump attacks, makes him a monster.

    Super Ken is the best. While previous versions are also solid, Super Ken has both the juice kicks, which is pretty essential to certain matchups, alongside having a really good fireball, uppercut, pokes, etc... He's much more well-rounded.

    Honda seems tied between ST Honda and Super Honda. S.Honda is actually better than ST Honda in certain matchups, so it kinda equals out.

    The real HF Blanka is insanely better than ST Blanka. The problem is that HF Blanka in HSF2 isn't quite the same. A lot of his hurt and hit boxes are all screwed up to hell.

    As far as Vega goes, his damage/stun potential is higher than ST Vega if you prefer the ground game. But otherwise, ST version is vastly superior.

    Old O.Sagat is still available in the game, but you need to input a special code. But even then, CE Sagat's damage+stun potential alongside his tiger knee which basically acts as a dash, is much better.

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  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    edited August 2014
    eltrouble wrote: »
    Old O.Sagat is still available in the game, but you need to input a special code. But even then, CE Sagat's damage+stun potential alongside his tiger knee which basically acts as a dash, is much better.

    No he isn't. Well, you can pick O. Sagat by holding start before selecting the super version, but you won't get ST O. Sagat. There isn't a code to get the un-nerfed versions of Old ST characters like there is for ST characters. O. Sagat seems to be the only Old ST character that got balanced though.
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  • cjkid123cjkid123 Joined: Posts: 39
    I mostly agree, but Ryu would be CE, then HF, then ST. CE/HF tatsu makes him really slippery. CE Ryu doesn't have air tatsu styling, but maintains the CE stun on his aerial attacks.

    HF Honda is also really strong, if you have Shogatsu-like jumping skills.

    I was under the impression that CE and HF chars had pretty much the same dizzy potential. Seeing how HF air tatsus are kinda worthless, I'd totally swap HF for CE Ryu if that was the case.

    As for HF Honda, as someone who's played HF and ST religiously with Honda as a main, I can say without hesitation that CPS2 Honda in general is way better than HF Honda. When it comes down to it, the only thing HF honda has over CPS2 honda is the HK sumo smash hitting on the way up. Which is really nice, sure, but it doesn't negate the negatives: Sumo smash doesn't knock a grounded opponent down, headbutt stops directly under opponent always (which can make punishing wiffed SRKs and the like a lot more difficult depending on the situation), and headbutt doesn't knock down a grounded opponent. He does get an instant dizzy from a two hit sumo smash or headbutt, but those are incredibly hard to land on purpose.

    Air Tatsus are not worthless, if you use them properly on all mediums (Meaning LK,MK,HK) they can set you up throws for a quick win or a combo for a stun, This method works even better while your opponent is still stuck in projectile animation.
  • cjkid123cjkid123 Joined: Posts: 39
    Well on Shoryuken wiki I found a best to worst tier list for each character in the game, prehapse we can use this a a bases to continue the debate.

    (Version Breakdown: Best-to-Worst ranging Left-to-Right):

    Ryu: CE, HF, ST, S, WW

    E. Honda: ST, HF, S, CE, WW

    Blanka: HF, ST, WW, CE, S

    Guile: CE, WW, HF, ST, S

    Ken: CE, HF, ST, S, WW

    Chun-Li: ST, HF, S, WW, CE

    Zangief: HF, ST, CE, S, WW

    Dhalsim: ST, WW, CE, S, HF

    Balrog: ST, HF, S, CE

    Vega: ST, CE, S, HF

    Sagat: CE, HF, ST, S

    M. Bison: CE, ST, S, HF

    Dee Jay: ST, S

    Cammy: ST, S

    Fei-Long: ST, S

    T. Hawk: S, ST
  • OGSFOGSF Joined: Posts: 713
    Someone should do a hack of this where the CPU can pick other versions of characters
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  • ShinAkuma204ShinAkuma204 The Primordial Ooze Joined: Posts: 4,524
    edited September 2014
    Anyone want to do a quick "best SF2 version of the character in HSF2" poll? Here's mine:


    Ken: CE (the angle on his HP SRK is stupid crazy

    Hyper Fighting Ken is the best version. Instant air tatsus allow Ken much better mobility and ways to close the distance relatively safely over fireballs. He maintains stuff from CE like TOD and his ridiculous hitbox on jump fierce.
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  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    edited September 2014
    The hitbox on jumping fierce is maintained in future versions!
  • cjkid123cjkid123 Joined: Posts: 39
    OGSF wrote: »
    Someone should do a hack of this where the CPU can pick other versions of characters

    I second this!
  • x64x64 Fuck your SRK Joined: Posts: 3,202
    It's funny, because the CPU plays with different SF2 versions in the game's attract mode.
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    00 - ST
    02 - SSF2
    04 - World Warrior/ World Warrier
    06 - Championship/Dash
    08 - Hyper Fighting/Turbo


    FF8687 - ST Old Version flag to be used with SSF2
    FF8688 - Triggers if I hold start on and select ST

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  • OGSFOGSF Joined: Posts: 713
    Someone in another thread said that the WW boss characters are not in this game. I did see a screenshot where a players plays CPU version of dictator as dictator being the super version and not the ST version using Devil's Reverse.
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  • cjkid123cjkid123 Joined: Posts: 39
    OGSF wrote: »
    Someone in another thread said that the WW boss characters are not in this game. I did see a screenshot where a players plays CPU version of dictator as dictator being the super version and not the ST version using Devil's Reverse.

    Interesting, How long ago was this?

  • ShinAkuma204ShinAkuma204 The Primordial Ooze Joined: Posts: 4,524
    OGSF wrote: »
    Someone in another thread said that the WW boss characters are not in this game. I did see a screenshot where a players plays CPU version of dictator as dictator being the super version and not the ST version using Devil's Reverse.

    Super Dictator has a version of devils reverse.
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