how many matchups do you guys really learned so far,
that you know which stuff is duck/sidestepable ect to get your best punish out of these situations?
Long post incoming cause I love this game and am always thinking.
I played a few casual matches with Tekken Tim yesterday at a Long Beach tournament/gathering. He is top 2 or 3 in SoCal imo and I remember his name from the Tekken 5 days. Real cool guy IRL.
Granted I only played against his Heihachi , not Steve his best character .
Played one game with Devil Jin , and though my execution is the best it's ever been since I'm using a Korean stick , I got demolished and switched immediately to hwoarang for 2-3 games. Didn't fare much better as his spacing was top notch. With hwoarang , I'm typically trying to set up mixups and whiff punish but the times I played against Tim and Waygamble, I realize how important spacing and distance is, it honestly feels like I'm playing street fighter.
I switched again as I felt like I wasn't putting any pressure on him with Hwoarang. Funny thing is, I do this exact same thing to other hwoarang players, but can't fight it myself.
Stay out of his range of peacekeeper, and engage him on your own terms, that's footsies
So then I switched to Shaheen and could feel myself playing much more tight and solid. It's amazing the difference when you play a lower execution character, you can focus on more important shit. My strategy was to focus on spacing, and when I got up close I used a lot of tracking moves.
I was having what I felt were better matches and he knew I was Trying my best to beat him, it's pretty great when you're trying your damn hardest in casuals . I eventually took one game off him after another 3-4 matches. Damn near everything I whiffed was punished, even if it was a quick move, never been ewgf and regular wgf so much in my life.
Some things he was doing with heihachi I never thought of or faced when playing Heihachi:
F+2, 3 = -3 to -1 on block , I was blocking and reacting with jabs a lot afterward and he was ducking. This is something I notice a Claudio guy who typically plays against Tim in Grand Finals does here, after a safe mid (Claudio f+3) , they sometimes duck in hopes of punishing the next move with a quick WS move. Sometimes I would gamble and retaliate with df+1 or a df+2 launcher after blocking this move, but I think if he suspected this, he coulda beaten me with jabs. Rock paper scissor game...
Blocked F+4 from a dash or wavedash:
I know this is a move that leaves Heihachi at plus, his typical follow up would be df+1 which checks me, he seemed to be able to hit confirm df+1,2 if I push buttons or did anything stupid. Heihachi can also sidestep and see if there were any whiffs and do df+1,2.
Eventually I played kazumi, and if I felt a df +1 was coming after a Blocked F+4, I did a quick mini backdash into a df1+,2 to punish the slight whiff of the df+1. He'd occasionally go low as a riskier option after a blocked F+4. There's kind of a rock paper scissor mind game after a block df+1 as well.
Long range crouch dash WGF-yes regular god fist, not electric god fist. This is something I saw in old tekken tag videos, and I recently saw Qudans doing a lot of this as well against wakeups. He would bait a rising 3 from far away, and come in with a long crouch dash into regular WGF.
Tim was doing this to me in the neutral. I actually asked him "Can I ask you, are you crouch dashing and waiting to see if you see me hit button before you push yours, or were you just going for it?" He told me "yeah I'm waiting".
Basically he's doing a long crouch dash which goes under highs, and if I stuck out anything, he was nailing me.
FF+2 on block: This move is -16 or -15 and it's a launcher, but it has a lot of pushback. For some reason, I instinctually want to push buttons after blocking this move because I know it's unsafe, but I was retaliating with dumb shit like Standing 4 with kazumi or other non sense that wouldn't react. I immediately got whiff punished by Heihachi's 1+2 (fireball animation) move several times. So this is definitely a setup that I will be using if I play Heihachi in the future.
I seemed to be doing slightly better with Kazumi than Shaheen in terms of pressure, but I don't think it's character specific, it was more of me getting used to his playstyle after having a bunch of matches using Shaheen.
you ever have a session where you are doing better with your secondary then your main?
cause I experienced it and im happy but irritated.
point being ive been playing rough the past few weeks when ive had time to play
because of real life stuff i missed the tournament (good reasons and priorities dictated it)
anyways ive had 3 destroyer ranked people devil jin, heihachi and akuma. ive been trying to get devil jin (whos my main) to savior rank.
its been rough finding people who will play for more than 1 game if I figure them out and running into byakkos, genbus and other peeps using their subs who been giving me that work lmfao...
anyways I got demoted all way down to usuper with him.
and it took forever for me to get my destroyer rank with him back i get back late sometimes so finding matches has been rough
regardless i got it back with him a few days ago.
after watching the mainman play heihachi i figured eh ill play a session with him instead I can play him i knew it was late and the chances of finding someone to deathmatch with were slim. But I figure ill just play him for fun. I ran into a destroyer eliza.
it only took 30 mins, a freaking episode of Seinfeld.
and I got savior rank.
I want it with devil jin so the grind continues
then Ill go for overlord
offline session tonight
ill get to play tekken with some good players with marvel as well and gundam versus later on this week
good time to take a break.
What's hilarious is JDCR is often said to be a Heihachi main and is known for his performance with Mishimas and yet he still only plays Dragunov when he wants to dominate (i.e. win tournaments). He often starts sets with Heihachi and then kicks it into Dragun-overdrive (awful pun) if he loses the first match. I think sometimes we have to settle for who we play best. I personally wish I was good with Yoshi but I just didn't feel him as much as I do Jin.