You can Lead a Scrub to Water, but you can't make 'em Think - Page 6

frenzii · 06-21-2009, 11:12 PM

scrub isnt a term used to describe a person's ability, its' more toward their attitude....i started playin 3s in 07, really fresh to the scene and i played 3s before but once i saw evo vids and the intros and the Moneymatches, i realized that there is a way to play to the game the way it was supposed to be played...thats why players like kofiend, jwong, and mutantxp had no problem showing me the ropes...because they liked the attitude i had about the game...thats all thats being expressed here, newer players attitudes and the benefits from breaking away from it.

Return of Shiki · 07-22-2009, 07:24 AM

The UStream chatroom about EVO this past weekend was a prime example of why this article is just as relevant today as (close to) 10 years ago when Seth Killian first wrote it.

And for the newbies: there's a difference between scrubs and casual players. Learn the difference. Seth is talking about scrubs, here.

mancakes · 07-24-2009, 04:39 PM

I usually watch videos in a passive way. Whenever I do that, I'm usually not feeling the match very well.

So, this must be good advice.

Kuma Oni · 07-24-2009, 05:07 PM

This article is all full of win. I agree with Frenzii as well. I don't consider a person a scrub based on skill level (or else I'd be one too!!!) I consider a person a scrub when they complain about their own retarded mistakes, don't learn from them and don't care to take advice on how to improve. I'm not that great a player, new to sticks, new to competative SF play. I mean, I didn't know what a cross up or tick throw was when SF4 came out on console but I'm making that push! Every game is a new game to learn from, win or lose. Every video is a chance to take something from it and add it to your game. I'm hesitant in the arcade when I'm playing well and beating a few people to give anyone advice. Do they care? Do they want to know? Who can say for sure... but if someone asks me "how'd you do that?" or "why are you beating me so badly?" I'll help them out to the best of my ability. I mean, that's what the SF scene is all about right? Gaming with friends or at least gamer aquaintances and getting better. I've met some cool guys in the arcade and other local guys are pretty cool too. I've made some decent friends and see solid friendships in the future.

suprez · 07-29-2009, 08:57 PM

Ok before you read that i'm a frenchies so i'm insecure about my bad english gramma0r ok?

When a scrubs lose vs someone that played frankly , quite ordinary . They are upset because they can perform kick ass combo in training mode but they still get beat by a Zangief Lariat Spammer or a e.Honda butt attack spammer.. They make it out of Survival hard 5 spamming Lariat and they're happy about their new icons.

They don't take risk.Someone Jump-in but they don't try to do an uppercut.Because they don't want to take the risk that it's might miss.They can't broke that mental barrier of theirs.

Oh yes i was talking about my old self.

I play sf4 more relaxed.I don't take myself seriously and if i miss i'm just gonna miss .If i miss and i'm gonna get punished than be it.If i watch a match .. i don't want to do like them.Because i have my own playstyle.Trying to play Rufus like Justin wong will simply get me owned.Because i'm not Justin Wongs

It's actually helped me a lot.Now i tend to play much more better.No more fear of fighting a Zangief Lariat spammer or a E honda butt attack spammer.I just laugh at them and wonder wth they're doing .

Do you know why you get beat?Because they don't focus to much on what they can or can't do.They just play the game has they feel it.Sure there's some theory behind each match but.Roger Federer don't strategize too much during a match.He just do the best he can from what he learned .If you want to be the next Daigo ... You won't.Because you're not Daigo .

mancakes · 07-30-2009, 11:13 AM

True.

You want to be Daigo? You need Daigo blood.

Spaceman Spiff! · 08-06-2009, 10:33 AM

this was a great article to read.i myself have experienced situations on both sides of the spectrum,from the "gathering 10 friends and xeroxing a flyer" to the "tense environments" of major tourneys.

i personally consider the term "scrub" as both a mindstate AND an actual skill level.but thats just ME.right now,skill wise,im a scrub.BUT i think its not so bad as long as your carry yourself with the right demeanor.what i mean by this is to say as long as your realize where you stand.ive gone to LOTS of tournaments,and played the top of the top,i NEVER won,but its still always a learning experience if you percieve it with the hopes of learning something.i dont know how many times ive gone to tourneys and been 2x'ed out by people NObody knew,(not that any knows ME

),and there have been times where ive played names and did well enough to get attention afterwards.

so i guess my point is that gaining true skill takes ALOT of effort and time.and i think what makes a separates a scrub from a mental scrub is that most mental scrubs forget that they cant just learn a few combos and make a name for themselves.

MiguelSix · 10-04-2009, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghaleon

No. It's bad enough having to watch scrubs play in real life, let alone on video. Go on Xbox Live, I'm sure you'll find tons.

This.

KyleDeKyle · 10-06-2009, 08:41 PM

=( I'm pretty turd my buddays...Street Fighter's been my favourite gaming series since I was 7 years old, I played a lot...But I only played my friends, absolutely no arcade scene ever existed in my part of the UK. Doing a hadouken was challenging stuff for my friends so I never got better or thought I should, I do wish I was more aware of the depth of the game back then but I never really knew until around 2005, 11 years later, when I noticed some sweet SF3 videos then I started lurking here. That's when I thought, crapiola, I've played Street Fighter all my life and never knew it was supposed to be played like this. I wanted to get good.
Well for about 2 weeks I practised properly for the first time on the good ol' Dreamcast. After that I went on an already planned loner trip to Singapore, met a girl...Forgot about SF, filled my head with visa problems, making money, deal with her intense muslim parents etc etc...I ended an illegal immigrant living on the beach at 1 point - Anyway, loooooong story short that didn't turn out how I planned, years later I ended up all aloooone depressed a mofo. SF4 came out, love it, only just now focusing on improving again...
I really want to get better, if someone beats my ass in a way I didn't see coming I'll thank them for the beat down. In terms of ability I guess I'm a scrub, but I love SF, like everyone here.
Knowing so many other people think the games awesome like I do is good stuff. I HAVE to improve...So many guys are so good at this game...Seems like an extremely steep learning curve, but I really want to get good. I'm seriously getting mad as hell at myself though when I practise something over n over then the next day it's gone and I make stupid mistakes. I just wish I had people to play against in person, onlines ok, but I'd prefer someone beating my ass in person.

I've gone way off topic but it seemed like people were goin off on random storys so there's mine, haha. I almost feel like I have to get better because I love the game so much and I'm letting something or someone down by not being good...I've got a lot of love for everyone else that makes SF quite a big thing in their lives.

Peace & Crumpets.

PaulNannie · 10-08-2009, 02:08 PM

I wonder if anyone has any insight into why, I get so angry when I get taunted after feeling like I put in a good effort?
Also, I wonder why SF4 above all other games gets my blood boiling or spirits soaring so easy? (more than any other fighting title)
I'm posting this here because these are most definetly some last vestage of scrub that I just cant let go of.

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morres75 · 10-15-2009, 11:01 AM

it all makes sense now

nk4e · 10-15-2009, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulNannie

I wonder if anyone has any insight into why, I get so angry when I get taunted after feeling like I put in a good effort?
Also, I wonder why SF4 above all other games gets my blood boiling or spirits soaring so easy? (more than any other fighting title)
I'm posting this here because these are most definetly some last vestage of scrub that I just cant let go of.

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Because in their minds you are a scrub and very easy to play against. Try getting messages on XBL saying " Pick a harder character" or " is throwing all you know" but its the HYPE!

Roy0 · 10-22-2009, 10:00 PM

I have a quick question. Call me a dumbass if this was already covered (i can imagine the negbombs now...), but how can u improve on decision making? You could learn all the combos and setups and all that, but how do you put yourself in better situations in a match or not make a stupid mistake?

Kayin · 10-23-2009, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy0

I have a quick question. Call me a dumbass if this was already covered (i can imagine the negbombs now...), but how can u improve on decision making? You could learn all the combos and setups and all that, but how do you put yourself in better situations in a match or not make a stupid mistake?

Experiment.

This is why playing lots of casual matches helps, you need to explore all your options and figure out what exactly works.

echeesekid · 10-27-2009, 09:37 PM

rofl this is a hilariously lame thread title.
thats all i have to say

the44show · 10-28-2009, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by echeesekid

rofl this is a hilariously lame thread title.
Thats all i have to say

thank you for your insight, i shall keep this post in my mind for whenever i make a decision in life.

The Illuminati · 11-17-2009, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Roy0

I have a quick question. Call me a dumbass if this was already covered (i can imagine the negbombs now...), but how can u improve on decision making? You could learn all the combos and setups and all that, but how do you put yourself in better situations in a match or not make a stupid mistake?

It's not possible to completely remove your margin for error. You just gotta lower it to the best of your ability. That means making your: Combos, Set-ups and specials second nature and accumalating alot of experience by looking for comp.

ShinsoBEAM! · 11-17-2009, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy0

I have a quick question. Call me a dumbass if this was already covered (i can imagine the negbombs now...), but how can u improve on decision making? You could learn all the combos and setups and all that, but how do you put yourself in better situations in a match or not make a stupid mistake?

I find that playing people that beat your ass and badly tends to help alot, if they are willing to help you out and verbally give you some tips as well all the better.

Trust me after getting a SRK/throw on wakeup/scrub response to oki pressure punished like 4-5 times in a row you kinda go hmmm this might not be the best of ideas, and against players much better than you, just look for those times where you are like yes I got them in the corner...then the next thing you know you are in the corner, watch what they do to get out of the corner, the next time try it yourself and watch them punish you for trying it.