Warriors Fate: Street Fighter story thread, revived

[Sano]

With regards to SF4, quite honestly I'm still of the opinion that we do not know what endings happened or didn't happen and we will not know for certain until the next storyline game comes out. Fighting games are always that way. Just because they are animated and a lot of the endings tie in together doesn't mean much to me. When SF5 comes out (I am generally assuming that SSF4 will not be a storyline sequel, don't know for certain) on a whim Capcom can say (as a stupid example) Fei-Long's ending happened for real and that's the only one that happened so that's the way it is.

Endings in fighters are there so people can get something out of a single player experience, learn more about their character, the world and so on. At times endings are there so they can view a 'what if' window of what would happen if their character made it all the way. Unless the company announces what really happened at the end of a game any theories, no matter how sound they are are still speculation at best. And the company usually won't say what happened, unless it is a particular ending of a saga (SFZ3, SF3TS) until the next storyline game comes around.

I think most of the endings happened, not all, but for me to say which did and didn't can't be anything more than speculation. I doubt everyone faced off against Seth and/or even a Clone and I believe the number of people who did is less than some. It's kind of the equivalent of everyone defeating Vega (Cape) in SFZ3.

At any rate, you should probably wait for an official word before you determine how weak / strong the final boss and his copies actually are rather than believing every single ending.

And yes, if Capcom so desires they can even re-do, change and / or alter any endings in SSF4 just like they did with SFZ2. Nothing's written in stone really so people shouldn't assume that it is. Whatever Capcom does decide to change if they do so, they can always respond "We never said what actually happened at the end of SF4" and that will be it.

[Sagatryu]

Well acorrding to Seth SSF4 is a continuation not a replacement


http://www.hadoken.net/?p=769

[Sano]

Originally Posted by Sagatryu

Well acorrding to Seth SSF4 is a continuation not a replacement


http://www.hadoken.net/?p=769

Thanks. Pretty cool, will probably clear things up.

[Rokiseph]

Originally Posted by Sano

With regards to SF4, quite honestly I'm still of the opinion that we do not know what endings happened or didn't happen and we will not know for certain until the next storyline game comes out. Fighting games are always that way. Just because they are animated and a lot of the endings tie in together doesn't mean much to me. When SF5 comes out (I am generally assuming that SSF4 will not be a storyline sequel, don't know for certain) on a whim Capcom can say (as a stupid example) Fei-Long's ending happened for real and that's the only one that happened so that's the way it is.

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And yes, if Capcom so desires they can even re-do, change and / or alter any endings in SSF4 just like they did with SFZ2. Nothing's written in stone really so people shouldn't assume that it is. Whatever Capcom does decide to change if they do so, they can always respond "We never said what actually happened at the end of SF4" and that will be it.

I'm of the opinion that what you just stated is a fact...lol.

[Daemos]

Originally Posted by Sano

Thanks. Pretty cool, will probably clear things up.

Allegedly, the story takes place one year after SF4; I wonder if they will kill off Gouken, Gen and Bison (and all of Shadaloo) before SF3's timeline starts or will they adjust them to not contradict the events of SF3, explaining their absence.

[Tizoc]

Thanks for the info vas.
OK now here's something I've been wondering for the longest time-
What was the story of the VERY VERY VERY VERY First SFII game released in 1991?
by this I mean the overall plot; why is a crimson clad dictator holding a tournament for?

[Sano]

Originally Posted by Daemos

Allegedly, the story takes place one year after SF4; I wonder if they will kill off Gouken, Gen and Bison (and all of Shadaloo) before SF3's timeline starts or will they adjust them to not contradict the events of SF3, explaining their absence.

For a second let's pretend Chun-Li's SFEX3 ending actually happened. US version, don't know what happened in the Japanese Version. Yeah I know SFEX is a different universe and all but let's just pretend.

Shadowloo is wrecked so badly that Chun-Li doesn't need to continue being an Interpol Agent so she leaves. If Vega (cape) is still alive, he's wrecked to a point where Chun-Li, Guile, etc. don't care about revenge anymore. (Well, Guile's SFEX3 ending has him surrounded by Shadowloo thugs, for now disregard that I guess...) In SFEX3, Chun-Li warns about a 'New Organization' being a threat. In regular SF Land, that would be Gill's Organization. I have no idea what that meant in SFEX Land.

Something like that is all that's needed to flow into SF3. Vega doesn't have to be dead, just no longer a serious threat for everyone that's after him so they can get on with their lives.

Gouken and Gen... Refresh my memory but is there anything within either SF3 NG and SF3 TS that brings them up for this to matter? I'm not talking about official sources, but the games themselves? That whole Gen/Yun/Yang relationship thing is more of a Studio Udon thing than a Capcom thing for it to matter. I don't recall Ryu specifically telling Gouki "You killed Gouken!" in the SF3 games either.

Game companies are much quicker at overturning something that is in an outside/official source as opposed to what is in a video game. If you look at SF4 any possible contradictions it makes are to official sources and not the games 'if' at all. I say 'if' because I'm not sure either way what Gouken and Gen are....

I mean we have never seen Gen and Gouken die in an actual video game really. Vega, we saw him catch an SGS in the game and that's the part they bothered to explain away. Not the official sources statement of him being 'dead' because if they did that he... Would really be dead for a while when he wasn't...

I'm not sure I'm explaining this right but yes video game companies tend to honor what is in a video game more than what is in an outside source (even when deemed official or in the instruction booklet the game comes with...) when it comes to sequels. On that end I'm not to sure if Gouken, Gen, and possibly even Vega being alive even matters in regards to the SF3 series. That series really is so unconnected to everything else...

Hopefully SSF4 will help connect things to SF3. Seth and Crimson Viper seemed to be indicating that's the direction they were going, with the two looking a lot like Gill, Urien and Kolin for us to at least raise an eyebrow.

[vasili10]

Originally Posted by Tizoc

Thanks for the info vas.
OK now here's something I've been wondering for the longest time-
What was the story of the VERY VERY VERY VERY First SFII game released in 1991?
by this I mean the overall plot; why is a crimson clad dictator holding a tournament for?

Sure thing Tizoc.

From what was revealed at the very beginning, he's holding it for primarily two reasons. To be honored as the strongest fighter ever, and to wipe out every trace of peace and justice there is in all of humanity.

Originally Posted by Sano

Something like that is all that's needed to flow into SF3. Vega doesn't have to be dead, just no longer a serious threat for everyone that's after him so they can get on with their lives.

That's correct.

Originally Posted by Sano

Gouken and Gen... Refresh my memory but is there anything within either SF3 NG and SF3 TS that brings them up for this to matter? I'm not talking about official sources, but the games themselves? That whole Gen/Yun/Yang relationship thing is more of a Studio Udon thing than a Capcom thing for it to matter. I don't recall Ryu specifically telling Gouki "You killed Gouken!" in the SF3 games either.

Not that accusingly anyway, and not in SF3, but in Z2.

[The Lone Dragon]

Originally Posted by Sano

Shadowloo is wrecked so badly that Chun-Li doesn't need to continue being an Interpol Agent so she leaves. If Vega (cape) is still alive, he's wrecked to a point where Chun-Li, Guile, etc. don't care about revenge anymore.

Something like that is all that's needed to flow into SF3. Vega doesn't have to be dead, just no longer a serious threat for everyone that's after him so they can get on with their lives.

I don't know who or what can wreck Vega SO HORD that he's alive, but demoralized that much.

Maybe they can pull one of those comic book style, "trapped in some sort of eternal prison" or "sealed in another dimension" sci-fi thingies. Shungokusatsu could have been the seal, trapping him in hell if the literal interpretation were used...but, he's already proven he can sneak out of there, so...

Maybe a Naruto style, Sarutobi-Orochimaru thing, where someone forcibly takes his powers away. Ingrid FTW...

[vasili10]

Originally Posted by The Lone Dragon

Shungokusatsu could have been the seal, trapping him in hell if the literal interpretation were used...but, he's already proven he can sneak out of there, so...

Actually all he's proven is that he snuck out of his body before its ass got fried.

[ThunderKick]

Sort of on topic, off topic...

Vasili, I'm trying to create an original character and Bison is referenced for the story I have in mind. I started reading his bio in the plot guide and I ran into this (I read it before but it jogged my memory again).

He used to be a martial artist who wanted to be the best and
strongest. He was trained under someone, who at the time was the only
psycho Power (retconned to soul power) user. He also trained along-side
two other students. Vega killed his master and went on a rampage. It's
unknown what happened to the other two students.

Vega murdered his master because he felt that his training regimen
was too harsh. This is from Street Fighter Eternal, so his master really
isn't a forgotten fact at all. He killed his master with the psycho
crusher.

I just want to know about the first paragraph and if that is true, any info please on the two students.

[vasili10]

Originally Posted by ThunderKick

Sort of on topic, off topic...

Vasili, I'm trying to create an original character and Bison is referenced for the story I have in mind. I started reading his bio in the plot guide and I ran into this (I read it before but it jogged my memory again).

He used to be a martial artist who wanted to be the best and
strongest. He was trained under someone, who at the time was the only
psycho Power (retconned to soul power) user. He also trained along-side
two other students. Vega killed his master and went on a rampage. It's
unknown what happened to the other two students.

Vega murdered his master because he felt that his training regimen
was too harsh. This is from Street Fighter Eternal, so his master really
isn't a forgotten fact at all. He killed his master with the psycho
crusher.

I just want to know about the first paragraph and if that is true, any info please on the two students.

First paragraph's true, second needs some revising.

None whatsoever, sorry. Before the Zero series it was theorized that the two students were Ryu and Ken, and that their master and Vega's master was one and the same person. Shortly after Saiki started talking on Gamefaqs a little over eight years ago, he theorized that they were Gill and Urien.

[vasili10]

A little piece of the latest developer blog on Juri:

She was originally planned to be fatter (I shudder if that was in the neighborhood of Rufus-fatter), her feng shui engine started out in her abdomen (like Seth), her leg (artificial leg), and the palm of her hand before finally decided to be her left eye. And a scrapped design included her sadistic nature being the result of unrequited love, to which Ono-san thankfully said "NO WAY!"

Finally her speech is noted to be full of double meanings.

[The Lone Dragon]

And a scrapped design included her sadistic nature being the result of unrequited love, to which Ono-san thankfully said "NO WAY!"

Now we know why she hates boring, intense guys. Ryu (just being Ryu) must have broken her heart during one of his Korean wanderings...

A chubby female character would have been fairly rare in the FG world...but, if anyone were going to introduce one, it would be Capcom. After Gill and Urien, it's pretty clear that this company is NOT afraid to design characters who don't immediately cater to the young male demographic that generally plays these games.

Actually all he's proven is that he snuck out of his body before its ass got fried.

Yeah, I guess I forget sometimes...it would have been so much cooler if he fought his way out, though.

[Sagatryu]

hmm let's see a character base on Loretta Devine or Kathy Bates.

[Kataklysmic]

I take it they mean fatter like R.Mika, not Rufus. If a female was butch, you would suspect her to be a villain right away depending on what she's wearing.

But I'm glad they chose to put the feng shui in her eye. Any of those other places mentioned, and having a prosthetic leg, and we'd have another unwanted freak character. Though from the sound of them tossing out a very plausible excuse for her being a bitch, it seems Ono really wants you to hate her anyway.

[Daemos]

Originally Posted by The Lone Dragon

Yeah, I guess I forget sometimes...it would have been so much cooler if he fought his way out, though.

Well SF4 based on in-game dialogue and the plot animes released to promote the game does not support absolutely the idea that Bison's SF2 body was destroyed at the hands of Akuma, let alone the idea that these two villains ever met in their history.

For all intents and purposes, Bison faked his demise like the promo animes suggest and he does in his ending (everything going according to his plan).

[vasili10]

Originally Posted by Daemos

Well SF4 based on in-game dialogue and the plot animes released to promote the game does not support absolutely the idea that Bison's SF2 body was destroyed at the hands of Akuma, let alone the idea that these two villains ever met in their history.

For all intents and purposes, Bison faked his demise like the promo animes suggest and he does in his ending (everything going according to his plan).

Actually SF4 itself attests to this "idea" and rejects the promo animes. I was kind of surprised more questions didn't arise here when Gouki's sliver was posted. And Bison says everything's going according to his plan? Unfortunate; Vega doesn't.

[Super Sonic]

Does Bison (Vega in Japan) refer to Ryu or Seth (or someone completely unrelated) when he tells the scientists to hurry up and get him out of the tube, because it's only a matter of time before he made "his body" his (Bison's) permanent home in the prologue anime? Or is this even what he says in the Japanese prologue?

[CaliLifeStyle]

Originally Posted by Super Sonic

Does Bison (Vega in Japan) refer to Ryu or Seth (or someone completely unrelated) when he tells the scientists to hurry up and get him out of the tube, because it's only a matter of time before he made "his body" his (Bison's) permanent home in the prologue anime? Or is this even what he says in the Japanese prologue?

He says it.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost...ostcount=12071

[Spoonman]

Originally Posted by vasili10

Actually SF4 itself attests to this "idea" and rejects the promo animes. I was kind of surprised more questions didn't arise here when Gouki's sliver was posted. And Bison says everything's going according to his plan? Unfortunate; Vega doesn't.

Where in SF4 we see a rejection of the idea? I already read the single post link about M.Bison (Dictator) and can't find anything, or is there any outside source about SF4 that gives us at least a bit of indication as to what happened to Dictator or how he survided SGS? Sorry if this been covered already but I didn't find anything.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost...ostcount=12071

[vasili10]

Originally Posted by Super Sonic

Does Bison (Vega in Japan) refer to Ryu or Seth (or someone completely unrelated) when he tells the scientists to hurry up and get him out of the tube, because it's only a matter of time before he made "his body" his (Bison's) permanent home in the prologue anime? Or is this even what he says in the Japanese prologue?

He refers to Ryu there.

Originally Posted by CaliLifeStyle

He says it.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost...ostcount=12071

What he said.

Originally Posted by Spoonman

Where in SF4 we see a rejection of the idea? I already read the single post link about M.Bison (Dictator) and can't find anything, or is there any outside source about SF4 that gives us at least a bit of indication as to what happened to Dictator or how he survided SGS? Sorry if this been covered already but I didn't find anything.

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost...ostcount=12071

I didn't say you'd find the evidence with the link to Dictator Spoonman, try again. Also, he didn't receive the SGS (as he's incapable of doing what Gen or Gouken can do); he abandoned body before he was grabbed.

[Sagatryu]

Loretta Devine has never played a evil character in any of the movies she's been in. she's chubby but she's not in the realm of extremely obese like Rufus is. Kathy bates has played a evil character before Annie Wilkes and is going to play the queen of hearts in Alice . then there's Conchata Ferrell who plays Berta from two and half men.

Also you there's Mo'Nique, Liz Mikel and Queen Latifah

[Spoonman]

Originally Posted by vasili10

He refers to Ryu there.



What he said.



I didn't say you'd find the evidence with the link to Dictator Spoonman, try again. Also, he didn't receive the SGS (as he's incapable of doing what Gen or Gouken can do); he abandoned body before he was grabbed.

I see, even if thats just a conjeture is the most credible way I could imagine Dictator scaping from a surefire demise, thanks for the info.

[vasili10]

Originally Posted by Spoonman

I see, even if thats just a conjeture is the most credible way I could imagine Dictator scaping from a surefire demise, thanks for the info.

It ain't conjecture, but in any case sure thing.