Should I get Tekken 6?

[Lane]

I'd like to travel more for games. I know you guys aren't going to get this in your head because of your mentality, but some people's priorities aren't videogames.

imagine that


I'm not entirely speaking about myself, but for some people it's not that high up on their list, and videogames are something to do when you want to relax. Convulsing over people not traveling to tourneys is stupid because its a huge investment of time with no real glaring incentives. In order to even participate in a tournament there are costs like venue fees, game fees, travel expenses, which could even include hotel expenses...lol. Not to mention if I didn't spend hours practicing, which is also a time investment..I basically am free money to others.

I'm just trying to bring some objectivity here.

I mean video games are entertaiment. You don't expect people to travel hours to catch a movie at a theater, right?

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by yah yaahh b*tch!

I bet you didnt even fucking look. Just like the guy said, you dont WANT to leave the house. There is a Tekken scene in every state.

Stop making excuses and get your ass out there.


EDIT: Tanner loses.

Yea, you're right... i shit on you first.

I'm not at a point in my life where I can travel for 6-8 hours in one day and spend all that money on gas just for a day of gaming every weekend. Don't get me wrong.. I'd LOVE to but it's just not a possibility right now. Does that make me a casual gamer? Sure I guess. But lets say I did have the money and time to travel up there several times a month, how am I suppose to practice between that?

I hear there is actually a scene in Dalton but I have yet to find these people but I'll continue looking. Like I said I even take my copy of t6 to my college a couple times a week (which is in Dalton) and to a lan center in chattanooga every weekend. I have yet to find people that know what's going on (despite their first line being "oh man i've played tekken for 10 years"). I also post in the TN and GA threads.

Anyway I'm done with this conversation, I don't want to clutter the thread with this.

Edit: Thanks for the link anyway, you're right I was too harsh. Hopefully some of those people are in my area.

[Tech Romancer]

Originally Posted by Tanner

I hear there is actually a scene in Dalton but I have yet to find these people but I'll continue looking. Like I said I even take my copy of t6 to my college a couple times a week (which is in Dalton) and to a lan center in chattanooga every weekend. I have yet to find people that know what's going on (despite their first line being "oh man i've played tekken for 10 years"). I also post in the TN and GA threads.

Anyway I'm done with this conversation, I don't want to clutter the thread with this.

Edit: Thanks for the link anyway, you're right I was too harsh. Hopefully some of those people are in my area.

You go to Dalton Stage College?

[gl0ry]

Originally Posted by tonylew84

<MarkMan23>tekken community
<MarkMan23>my work is done
<MarkMan23>i put in my work
<MarkMan23>a patch is coming
<MarkMan23>expect it soon

HAIL MARKMAN!

These statements can be interpreted several ways. There is no clear answer.

We already knew a patch is coming out for scenario online. What was never addressed was whether or not the netcode is going to improve.

"my work is done" "i put in my work"... to me it just sounds like he tried convincing Namco and doesn't know what's going to happen.

Appreciate the effort anyways. Guess we'll see down the road.

[Tanner]

Originally Posted by Tech Romancer

You go to Dalton Stage College?

yea why?

[arstal]

Originally Posted by gl0ry

These statements can be interpreted several ways. There is no clear answer.

We already knew a patch is coming out for scenario online. What was never addressed was whether or not the netcode is going to improve.

"my work is done" "i put in my work"... to me it just sounds like he tried convincing Namco and doesn't know what's going to happen.

Appreciate the effort anyways. Guess we'll see down the road.

We'll find out when it happens. Nothing from Namco or its PR machine gives me any reason to trust that the issues will be fixed, so I'm not expecting anything. Prove me wrong.

Gotta remember Namco already has about 80-90% of the money they're going to get, so they may just write off the people who aren't buying because of the netcode and figure by their next fighter people will forget how bad it was in this one- ppeople have short memories.

[Dandy J]

Thanks MarkMan. However the patch ends up, you didn't have to put in all the effort you did for the community. Fingers crossed...

[k4polo]

Originally Posted by yah yaahh b*tch!

Yeah. Srsly.

Americans have always been the dominator's in 3d fighters, MINUS Virtual Fighter because nobody cares about that game over here.

I care about VF. But there is a little population who do care though. No VF5R makes VF close to dead here. At least there is a T6, laggy or not, it exists on consoles at least.

[Gigazord]

Originally Posted by k4polo

No VF5R makes VF close to dead here

Until Tekken vs VF Tag!!

[Master Chibi]

Originally Posted by Lane

I'd like to travel more for games. I know you guys aren't going to get this in your head because of your mentality, but some people's priorities aren't videogames.

imagine that

That's a good one. Attack the arguement like I'm some retarded lifestyle coach trying to show you the wonders of social interaction amongst others who enjoy the same hobby you do.

My bad.

I'm not entirely speaking about myself, but for some people it's not that high up on their list, and videogames are something to do when you want to relax. Convulsing over people not traveling to tourneys is stupid because its a huge investment of time with no real glaring incentives. In order to even participate in a tournament there are costs like venue fees, game fees, travel expenses, which could even include hotel expenses...lol. Not to mention if I didn't spend hours practicing, which is also a time investment..I basically am free money to others.

I'm just trying to bring some objectivity here.

I mean video games are entertaiment. You don't expect people to travel hours to catch a movie at a theater, right?

If you registered to this website, period, you're not here for shits and giggles. You want to get somewhere with your game. It might not be first place but you don't want to be free. Noone here is part of some elite hardcore Karate Kid villan clan. I'm not telling anyone you should be traveling to tournaments or gatherings to prove yourself.

It's just the whole lot of you are so up in arms over the netplay being as bad as it is (which I fully admit to being a flaw of the game, again) that I'm giving you another option, one we had all been using before the boom of netplay. Noone is so impossibly buzy that you can't get to play other people somehow. No, it's not a substitute for online play, but online play does not ruin every chance you have of enjoying this game.

And believe it or not, some people will travel hours ot catch a movie at a theater. Nothing wrong with that.

[krazykone123]

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

That's a good one. Attack the arguement like I'm some retarded lifestyle coach trying to show you the wonders of social interaction amongst others who enjoy the same hobby you do.

My bad.

If you registered to this website, period, you're not here for shits and giggles. You want to get somewhere with your game. It might not be first place but you don't want to be free. Noone here is part of some elite hardcore Karate Kid villan clan. I'm not telling anyone you should be traveling to tournaments or gatherings to prove yourself.

It's just the whole lot of you are so up in arms over the netplay being as bad as it is (which I fully admit to being a flaw of the game, again) that I'm giving you another option, one we had all been using before the boom of netplay. Noone is so impossibly buzy that you can't get to play other people somehow. No, it's not a substitute for online play, but online play does not ruin every chance you have of enjoying this game.

And believe it or not, some people will travel hours ot catch a movie at a theater. Nothing wrong with that.

This... seriously...

[arstal]

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

It's just the whole lot of you are so up in arms over the netplay being as bad as it is (which I fully admit to being a flaw of the game, again) that I'm giving you another option, one we had all been using before the boom of netplay. Noone is so impossibly buzy that you can't get to play other people somehow. No, it's not a substitute for online play, but online play does not ruin every chance you have of enjoying this game.

And believe it or not, some people will travel hours ot catch a movie at a theater. Nothing wrong with that.

I think it's time to bust out the economics stick.

People, assuming rationality, try to max their Marginal Utility of Leisure.

a) Some people prefer online to offline play.

b) Some people prefer offline to online, but not by that much. Those people will travel a bit, but won't hit majors.

c) Some people vastly prefer offline. Those are the ones that hit Evo.

On top of that, you gotta look at enjoyment.

a) Some prefer prefer SFIV to Tekken 6. Those people are gonna play SFIV

b) Some have no heavy preference. Those people will play whatever provides the best experience.

c) Some prefer Tekken 6 to the point where they will actively seek online.

They do this, because this is how they get the most fun. Not everyone has the hardcore Cobra Kai mentality. That's maximizing their utility. There are drawbacks to offline play. You have to put some clothes on, you have to be social with people you may not like much, you have to wait your turn, you have to deal with smells (believe me, this is a problem at most tournies), you have to play the games they offer, even if you like none of them (this was a huge problem for me until SFIV came out. If SFIV had bombed I would have quit fighters)

All these choices are rational, and all those subsets I listed- have a rational reason to head to SRK to improve their game. Just because a person largely plays online, does not mean they have no concern about improving their game at all. Yes, online SFIV and offline SFIV are different games somewhat, but they still have a large skill component, and are still fun as hell.

Also, I think you are forgetting the reason that there is a demand for online play in the first place. It's for people for whom offline play was not cutting it, for many various reasons.

This is not a slam on offline. That would be stupid as hell, because offline is awesome when it's done right. It's just not something I am willing to pay for in time and money over a certain amount. I mostly do offline play only to be social, not so much for the games themselves anymore, as SFIV tournies tend to run locally into my work hours. Yes, the option is there, but not everyone WANTS or PREFERS that option.

[E C]

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

You just want instant gratification.

THAT'S THE POINT


Again, not everyone is trying to win Evo or SBO. People aren't thinking about winning a regional. They're barely talking about going to a local ranbat. They're talking about playing. And don't get that twisted into "playing just to have fun" super-casual nonsense. This is talking about people who do want to get better at a game, maybe trying to compete somewhere on a small scale, but are green and have little time and no like-minded people nearby.

Like Lane said, no one's gonna drive for hours just to play casuals in a game they are barely good at. No one is gonna run down to FedEx Kinkos and put up flyers at the local Gamestop looking for fellow players. That shit is just not in the cards for most people. Hell, there a few good players that don't even read the fucking forums, and they are the good players.

You, me, and anyone else wants to travel looking for competition? That's great. Expecting 2M+ people that bought the console release to do the same? People couldn't be bothered to patronize their local public arcade 10 minutes from their house 10 years ago. Now you expect them to go to an arcade an hour away? Or some random person's house they met on the Internet? To play only a handful of people? In one video game?

Personal anecdote, after playing GG by myself for about a month and playing SFIV 'til now, I completely understand this mentality. I really like GG, but with no one around to play such a deep and complex game, what the hell is the point? But with SFIV, a game I suck at, I can play this game with instant gratification at any time and improve. Everyone can. The ironic thing is that, I'm more likely to find more SFIV people locally offline and more likely to get people together for a gathering/tournament SFIV because it's online.

People who travel to play fighting games in order to get really really good at them are the LUNATIC FRINGE. We are not normal. We are completely crazy about our pastime. Just like the people that travel to see a movie or roadies or any other crazy subculture. We are not the people that will keep that subculture alive. The people that want instant gratification are. And they outnumber us 20 to 1.



Glad to hear about a patch. But still not getting my hopes up. For the moment, I'm just gonna expect that this is going to enable online co-op in Scenario Campaign and nothing more.

[Lane]

Originally Posted by E C

People who travel to play fighting games in order to get really really good at them are the LUNATIC FRINGE. We are not normal. We are completely crazy about our pastime. Just like the people that travel to see a movie or roadies or any other crazy subculture. We are not the people that will keep that subculture alive. The people that want instant gratification are. And they outnumber us 20 to 1.



Glad to hear about a patch. But still not getting my hopes up. For the moment, I'm just gonna expect that this is going to enable online co-op in Scenario Campaign and nothing more.

Yah, that's what I was trying to say in the nicest possible way.

[jimmy1200]

i see what your saying master, and i agree with ec too. i wonder if sf4 didnt have online, and people knew that from the jump, how much less would it have sold, or would people have still just bought it because it is sf4? yeah, to move to a town and make a scene, or go out of your way to be a part of a scene is that lunatic in us trying to still live in the past as long as we can, and not in a bad way, just what we seek to do. when i first got into tekken seriously in 05, i finally got up the nerve and time in 06 to hit up a random i saw at the arcade along with all the other maryland tekken heads, and ask if i could train with him. i think i might have over heard him say he lived in glen burnie, or i think i just chose him out of some fate type shit. either way, he ended up living 5 minutes from me, and was one of the best players in maryland. i made a way that day, and he told me dont come through and bullshit, and i didnt, even asked if i was getting better after every session, and from that not only do i have a friend/s within that community, but me and him are cool like that, not just gaming friends, and over a video game. ha ha. i think im getting off point.

i feel that whole, get out there and make a way thing, because there are more benefits to be reaped then just having a gaming buddy. for all you know he could become a future best friend that helps you through a rough time. i dont think to many people here live in a ghost town with no one around, but more so its just a social hassle to be mr get the party started in your local area, especially for a youngin. no offense, but 5-7 years ago, i dont think i could be asked to go start a scene, when i havent even socially matured yet. so chibi, i feel you. but i mean, you gotta get social at some point in life, so start now, and be better in the near future. never know what you can learn. most of my hobbies are how i met a lot of close friends past and present, that i didnt grow up with in my area, and from that i learned much more from hanging out, partying, ect..

but ec i feel you too. so i guess im 50/50 right now. offline players will never die, but we're sorta a relic of the past right now. but before i get into that. you know, i purchased tekken 5 the first day it dropped. this was before i got into the tekken scene hard, but i wanted to be good at the game just because i liked tekken. been loving tekken since the arcade days. every weekend faithfully, but lets not go over my history lesson. anyways, i thought nothing of online back when i got tekken 5. it wasnt an option. i just got my rocks off learning combos and my character, and being good enough to pound on my brother and stuff, and when that wasnt enough, i reached out to zaibatsu, searched the forums, found the maryland thread, and pm'd the dude i saw cause i heard them saying his name. stalker. lol. so anyways, i guess its just some old school shit, but as beautiful as tekken 6 is, and with a hundred times the replay value of sf2 for snes, which people still played over and over, im curious as to the minds behind the screen names. wait wait. let me pose these questions. im just curious. not trying to be rude.

why do you need so much to enjoy a game your not going to be playing competitively in anyways?

you cant just enjoy the ghost battles, 40 characters, 100's of combos, campaign mode, 100's of custom options, and the hardest level of the ai?

if your gonna suck anyways, why do you need online to go suck on? (not being rude. just saying)

these modern fighting releases have so much more replay value then fg's of past, that im very curious of why people are like, i need need need, and cant just enjoy the game. its a fighting game, yes, but its still a game, and has many options for you to enjoy it on. the more i type, the more i side with chibi a little more. i mean, do people really NEED online for comp, or are they just not willing to even attempt to create an offline experience. i mean, an hour drive for an 8 hour session isnt a bad deal once a month, or every two weeks. i use to drive up and down the road for comp, girlfriends, work, ect.. so if you like it even a little, why is that such a big deal. no one is asking you to drive from new york to south carolina, and i do agree with chibi that, if your on this forum, something about you wants to be better than the rest. so dont be mad at him if he doesnt fully understand why what he is saying makes no sense to you. i didnt join srk because i was like, cool, a forum about street fighter. its because i wanted to be better at mvc2 way back, and after my initial gamefaqs faze, i found this forum, and that was all she wrote. point being, i didnt come here to socialize with fans, nor do i stay here to do so.

[Noema]

Originally Posted by E C

THAT'S THE POINT


Again, not everyone is trying to win Evo or SBO. People aren't thinking about winning a regional. They're barely talking about going to a local ranbat. They're talking about playing. And don't get that twisted into "playing just to have fun" super-casual nonsense. This is talking about people who do want to get better at a game, maybe trying to compete somewhere on a small scale, but are green and have little time and no like-minded people nearby.

Like Lane said, no one's gonna drive for hours just to play casuals in a game they are barely good at. No one is gonna run down to FedEx Kinkos and put up flyers at the local Gamestop looking for fellow players. That shit is just not in the cards for most people. Hell, there a few good players that don't even read the fucking forums, and they are the good players.

You, me, and anyone else wants to travel looking for competition? That's great. Expecting 2M+ people that bought the console release to do the same? People couldn't be bothered to patronize their local public arcade 10 minutes from their house 10 years ago. Now you expect them to go to an arcade an hour away? Or some random person's house they met on the Internet? To play only a handful of people? In one video game?

Personal anecdote, after playing GG by myself for about a month and playing SFIV 'til now, I completely understand this mentality. I really like GG, but with no one around to play such a deep and complex game, what the hell is the point? But with SFIV, a game I suck at, I can play this game with instant gratification at any time and improve. Everyone can. The ironic thing is that, I'm more likely to find more SFIV people locally offline and more likely to get people together for a gathering/tournament SFIV because it's online.

People who travel to play fighting games in order to get really really good at them are the LUNATIC FRINGE. We are not normal. We are completely crazy about our pastime. Just like the people that travel to see a movie or roadies or any other crazy subculture. We are not the people that will keep that subculture alive. The people that want instant gratification are. And they outnumber us 20 to 1.



Glad to hear about a patch. But still not getting my hopes up. For the moment, I'm just gonna expect that this is going to enable online co-op in Scenario Campaign and nothing more.

Great post! Would rep if I could

[krazykone123]

Originally Posted by Noema

Great post! Would rep if I could

I repped him, that was a lengthy amount of info E C...

[Lane]

Jimmy also makes a lot of good points I can't say I'd disagree with.

[RobG Va 703]

i bought vf5 the same day i bought tekken 6. i got it for 6 bucks and to be honest i'm feeling it more than tekken 6 right now. too bad nobody's online for it anymore.

[splash]

tekken isn't fun unless you're pissing the hell out of someone.

[Ki Shima]

Originally Posted by The Lone Dragon

Eh? The jump from T3 -> Tag -> T4 -> T5 gave us walls, side walk, crush, totally updated mid-boss characters from T2, and about 8 new characters.

The jump from DR to T6 gave us bound, rage, and about 9 new characters.

walls + side walk + crush are way more revolutionary and game changing than bound + rage.

not really because learning tekken is now more rewarding, I'm not talking about RAGE or BOUND! the whole package makes the fighting more intense, the feeling of having your back to the wall changes the feeling of the game in a much more fun and noticeable way. the fact some hits hold you in place without giving you a duck animation changes the pressure of in-fighting. the fact you can dodge realistically now enhances footwork in mid-range and in-fighting and creates more options.

they've had to sacrifice the roll and stand i think but it probably might of been game breaking keeping it in.


RobG- keep at tekken, at first it's a bit odd but once you get to feel most of the system you'll love it

[Iduno]

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

That's a good one. Attack the arguement like I'm some retarded lifestyle coach trying to show you the wonders of social interaction amongst others who enjoy the same hobby you do.

My bad.



If you registered to this website, period, you're not here for shits and giggles. You want to get somewhere with your game. It might not be first place but you don't want to be free. Noone here is part of some elite hardcore Karate Kid villan clan. I'm not telling anyone you should be traveling to tournaments or gatherings to prove yourself.

It's just the whole lot of you are so up in arms over the netplay being as bad as it is (which I fully admit to being a flaw of the game, again) that I'm giving you another option, one we had all been using before the boom of netplay. Noone is so impossibly buzy that you can't get to play other people somehow. No, it's not a substitute for online play, but online play does not ruin every chance you have of enjoying this game.

And believe it or not, some people will travel hours ot catch a movie at a theater. Nothing wrong with that.

I don't think you understand, without decent online, how are people with no local scene meant to get any practice for these tournaments.

Personaly I am hoping to go to SVB next year (couldn't this year because I'm a jobless ex student who lives nowhere near london but I should have a job by then or at least have saved enough money to go) but it's mainly for Blazblue, then entire reason being that it is actualy possible to get a bit of decent practice online with that, it may not be the best practice but it at least lets us build up on our character's basics and stuff.

I would never bother traveling that far for Tekken 6 as it is simply because there is no way for me to practice against real people so going to one of events would just mean paying 100s of pounds to get curbstomped. (I doubt there is much you can learn just traveling every few months or even anually)

If anything online is important for being an entry for newer players and if the entry does not allow us to learn much how can we be expected to get good enough for traveling to be worthwhile?

And by traveling I'm not just talking about an hour or so (hell what is that a, tenner couple of bus return tickets or a fiver for one of those tickets that covers the company's busses for the day (eg.trent Barton zigzag)), I'm talking about the best part of a day.

[Slartibartfast]

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

All of you working jobs full time and going to school full time, I'm still calling bullshit. It's impossible to not put aside time to go to a gathering / tournament / etc. I don't care what you're doing because I've gone through it too. You just want instant gratification.

I do 80 hours / week between school and work.

Just sayin'.

[arstal]

Originally Posted by Iduno

I don't think you understand, without decent online, how are people with no local scene meant to get any practice for these tournaments.

Personaly I am hoping to go to SVB next year (couldn't this year because I'm a jobless ex student who lives nowhere near london but I should have a job by then or at least have saved enough money to go) but it's mainly for Blazblue, then entire reason being that it is actualy possible to get a bit of decent practice online with that, it may not be the best practice but it at least lets us build up on our character's basics and stuff.

I would never bother traveling that far for Tekken 6 as it is simply because there is no way for me to practice against real people so going to one of events would just mean paying 100s of pounds to get curbstomped. (I doubt there is much you can learn just traveling every few months or even anually)

People who have never been in a situation where offline comp is difficult to comp by will never understand the plight of people in that position.

Also, the concept of substitute goods comes into play here.

If the learning curve for Tekken 6 is say , $300 of ass-kickings, but SF4 you can acccomplish the same for $80, you gonna get into SF4. no one is saying that Tekken is a bad game. What people are saying is- because of the poor online option, it is better to play other games that are just as good, which has more opportunities to grow and develop your game instead.

(Now, if you think T6 >> SF4, go ahead and play Tekken. Most of those peeps are on TZ instead though.)

Yeah, playing scrubs will hurt your game. That's true on or offline though. The key is to find good comp, be it online or offline. It's better for your game to play a good player online, then a scrub offline.

[Lane]

yah, economics is awesome