Opinions of Wal*Mart

[spudlyff8fan]

Originally Posted by akumachan

to go off on a small tangent...

IMO the reason why teachers should be paid more is due to the IMPORTANCE OF THEIR JOB.

Any people who we appoint to be custodians of our children's education as well as being prominent in the shaping of their personalites in their most impressionable years, should be paid VERY WELL.

Frankly I wouldn't want anyone who makes only 25K a year teaching my child.

-ac
it's clear by many of the posts in this forum that good teachers in short supply

The irony is that public school teachers are making more money and doing a shittier job than their lower-paid private school counterparts.

[BlackShinobi]

Originally Posted by Irennicus

I don't know about you, the the produce sections at Wal-Marts around here definitely don't carry even a third of the stuff that 'regular' grocery stores carry. They don't sell nice cuts of meat, they don't sell nice clothing, etc. These are all things that sell perfectly well somewhere else in an establishment that took their time to understand the more focused market they're catering to.

It like when levi went into business with walmart, they didn't even have any products they could sell at walmart because their jeans were all too expensive so they had to make a new brand that was low cost enough to sell there. Walmart could easily get higher quality products but they know people care more about price than quality.

If anyone thinks the selection of goods in walmart is random they're crazy, walmart analysts have broken everything down by cost, profit and necessity to get optimum value out of that shelf space. If they aren't selling something theres probably a good well thought out, mathmatical reason why.

[omfg]

Originally Posted by Kromo

It depends by what you mean by "wrong".
Is picking Akuma wrong?
Its not so much about being right and wrong as it is about being fair and healthy.
Walmart is doing a great job playing the game, exploiting bugs and glitches and ruthlessly beating their opponents. Does this make it good for the community? I don't really think so.

When I think powerless, I don't think of wronging someone. I think of an inability to change. I am powerless to stop the sun from shining, that doesn't make what its doing immoral. The point is people don't just have to stand there and watch Akuma dominate the game.

nm, got my own answer. question was "what happens if 'Akuma' dominates the 'game'?"

happy to see someone can stay consistent

[Riot Guard]

Originally Posted by spudlyff8fan

The irony is that public school teachers are making more money and doing a shittier job than their lower-paid private school counterparts.

Both schools have their pros and cons. Many private schools actually generate poorer results then public schools and vice versa depending on a variety of factors. We have public (township) schools that families pay to send their kids to over private schools here. Private schools often have smaller classrooms with kids from less troubled environments making it easier for teachers to teach without so much interference.

Now people are overpaid in the post office. There are janitors making 40,000 + plus a year there. That is ridiculous, post offices aren't even that dirty.

[BlackShinobi]

Originally Posted by omfg

how can a manufacturer call himself a manufacturer if he's losing money by making what he makes? what kind of person does anything strenuous to get less than they have already?

also, if it's my specialty, how does Wal-Mart get their hands on it?

it like i said earlier there are two major sides and both of them lose to walmart

A) sell to walmart have 70% market share and get squeezed so hard you have to lay people off or outsource jobs to even pull a profit at the price walmart has TOLD YOU that they will pay for your product.

or

B) fight you ass off for the remaining 30% of market share with all of the other competitors who aren't dealing with walmart. in which case you'll still be struggling.

A is a pretty shitty deal but all of walmarts suppliers seem to think its better than B. Its a lose - lose situation.


As for the specialty i'm talking about things that only appeal to small market like making custom joysticks, for example with SRK people. Not something you personally invented or anything.
If its something you invented that might work, but having everyone who wants to own a business invent whatever it is they sell isn't a really realistic strategy for success.

[omfg]

Originally Posted by BlackShinobi

it like i said earlier there are two major sides and both of them lose to walmart

A) sell to walmart have 70% market share and get squeezed so hard you have to lay people off or outsource jobs to even pull a profit at the price walmart has TOLD YOU that they will pay for your product.

or

B) fight you ass off for the remaining 30% of market share with all of the other competitors who aren't dealing with walmart. in which case you'll still be struggling.

A is a pretty shitty deal but all of walmarts suppliers seem to think its better than B. Its a lose - lose situation.


As for the specialty i'm talking about things that only appeal to small market like making custom joysticks, for example with SRK people. Not something you personally invented or anything.
If its something you invented that might work, but having everyone who wants to own a business invent whatever it is they sell isn't a really realistic strategy for success.

alright, since the special invention thing was the idea I was trying to pass across and we agree on that, let's skip it.

why is it that they are instantly able to own 70% of my business? doesn't stocks and shit like that apply to corporations?

[BlackShinobi]

Originally Posted by omfg

alright, since the special invention thing was the idea I was trying to pass across and we agree on that, let's skip it.

why is it that they are instantly able to own 70% of my business? doesn't stocks and shit like that apply to corporations?

Not 70% of your company 70% of the market share.
Lets say there are 1,000,000 of whatever you produce are bought each year by consumers. If you have 70% market share 700,000 of that 1 million bought are made by you. and the other 300,000 is made by your competitors.

Why are you selling so much more than them? because your product is in walmart and WAAAAAY more people have access to it. which sounds great. you're selling over twice as much as your nearest competitor so you have to be making way more money right? WRONG!!!

Because walmart is only paying you $5.00 a piece and your product costs $4.75 to make one of. As things stand now you have overwhelming visibility in the market but you may go bankrupt because your aren't actually making enough to get by. This is why companies dealing with walmart end up laying people off or closing plants or moving work overseas to stay afloat.

[spudlyff8fan]

Originally Posted by BlackShinobi

Not 70% of your company 70% of the market share.
Lets say there are 1,000,000 of whatever you produce are bought each year by consumers. If you have 70% market share 700,000 of that 1 million bought are made by you. and the other 300,000 is made by your competitors.

Why are you selling so much more than them? because your product is in walmart and WAAAAAY more people have access to it. which sounds great. you're selling over twice as much as your nearest competitor so you have to be making way more money right? WRONG!!!

Because walmart is only paying you $5.00 a piece and your product costs $4.75 to make one of. As things stand now you have overwhelming visibility in the market but you may go bankrupt because your aren't actually making enough to get by. This is why companies dealing with walmart end up laying people off or closing plants or moving work overseas to stay afloat.

Again, you realize what a huge, massive process it is to be seen by Wal-Mart, set up contracts with them and so on, right? And it's not like the businesses that even get the chance are so disgustingly incompetent that they couldn't do the fourth grade math to figure out whether they'll make more money with or without Wal-Mart.

[omfg]

Originally Posted by BlackShinobi

Not 70% of your company 70% of the market share.
Lets say there are 1,000,000 of whatever you produce are bought each year by consumers. If you have 70% market share 700,000 of that 1 million bought are made by you. and the other 300,000 is made by your competitors.

Why are you selling so much more than them? because your product is in walmart and WAAAAAY more people have access to it. which sounds great. you're selling over twice as much as your nearest competitor so you have to be making way more money right? WRONG!!!

Because walmart is only paying you $5.00 a piece and your product costs $4.75 to make one of. As things stand now you have overwhelming visibility in the market but you may go bankrupt because your aren't actually making enough to get by. This is why companies dealing with walmart end up laying people off or closing plants or moving work overseas to stay afloat.

maybe there's something in economics I don't understand. also, as I've stated before, who would do that with the understanding that they are losing money?

[spudlyff8fan]

Originally Posted by omfg

maybe there's something in economics I don't understand. also, as I've stated before, who would do that with the understanding that they are losing money?

The morons in people's hypotheticals, is who. They'll be damned if they'll provide information from one of the supposed many suppliers who ran aground thanks to Wal-Mart.

[BlackShinobi]

Originally Posted by spudlyff8fan

The morons in people's hypotheticals, is who. They'll be damned if they'll provide information from one of the supposed many suppliers who ran aground thanks to Wal-Mart.

you mean like the 7 page article about it i linked on page 1 or 2 of this thread.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

I'll go find more examples though, it not like its hard to do.

[spudlyff8fan]

Originally Posted by BlackShinobi

you mean like the 7 page article about it i linked on page 1 or 2 of this thread.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

I'll go find more examples though, it not like its hard to do.

You'd best find more because that didn't even back up your point. I read the whole thing and the only testimonial that even had a complaint was from a company that put all its eggs in the Wal-Mart basket and then got dropped.

As if that's even exclusive to Wal-Mart. There are billion dollar companies that supply Kenmore with the hooks for their microwave doors. Every other "horror" story is tied into the phenomenon of globalization of manufacturing...which is another thread entirely.

[BlackShinobi]

What were you reading the article wasn't about complaints, it was about the things the suppliers had to give up by doing business with walmart. How meating walmart's crazy demands cannibalized their other lines of business. and how afraid they were to even mention the subject in public.

two more articles about "hypothetical" comapnies the second one explains the link between dependence on walmart and lower profit margins
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_15978454/

http://www.forbes.com/2007/04/23/wal...23walmart.html

[ckrazy]

Here is an article that is PRO Wal-Mart.

http://mises.org/daily/1151


here is an article that is ANTI Wal-Mart.

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050103/featherstone

Here another documentary on Wal-Mart (I notice someone already posted the high cost of low prices documentary)

http://www.cnbc.com/id/18803817?__so...lmart|&par=vty

Here another documentary on Wal-Mart (PBS is pretty damn reliable!)

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/walmart/



If you want MY opinion. I personally don't like Wal-Mart. However I'm not going to waste my time because anyone that knows SRK, knows arguing on this website is like slamming your head against a wall. Hopefully all this info can help you guys slam heads at each other.


~ cKrAzY

[spudlyff8fan]

Originally Posted by BlackShinobi

What were you reading the article wasn't about complaints, it was about the things the suppliers had to give up by doing business with walmart. How meating walmart's crazy demands cannibalized their other lines of business. and how afraid they were to even mention the subject in public.

two more articles about "hypothetical" comapnies the second one explains the link between dependence on walmart and lower profit margins
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_15978454/

http://www.forbes.com/2007/04/23/wal...23walmart.html

And once again, this doesn't change the fact that companies are capable of DOING MATH to determine whether or not they'll be better before they even ponder Wal-Mart, and they know that they're going to have to produce hundreds of thousands of units.

I mean really...you're trying to make it seem like Wal-Mart is luring manufacturers into the back of their vans with promises of candy only to get molested. They know what they're getting into. Period.

[Shaft Agent]

Originally Posted by Riot Guard

Why go there anyway when you can just go to Target where people are happy and human?

i almost got raped in Target. fuck Target.

fuck Wal-Mart too because i can't afford better right now*



*note: this has nothing to do with the store and only has to do with my poor ass.

Originally Posted by omfg

that means you're not playing to win

KAY OHH

HOW I'M GON FEED MAH KIDZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...

YOU WIN

[Manx]

^ Is Target where that retard almost got at you?

[omfg]

Originally Posted by BlackShinobi

you mean like the 7 page article about it i linked on page 1 or 2 of this thread.
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/77/walmart.html

I'll go find more examples though, it not like its hard to do.

none of these articles say they are losing money.

as I've said before, it is foolish to start a business when you're doomed to lose money. in those same articles you quote, they talk about the millions that come solely from Wal-Mart.

[Ducky]

Originally Posted by Riot Guard

Now people are overpaid in the post office. There are janitors making 40,000 + plus a year there. That is ridiculous, post offices aren't even that dirty.

They aren't that dirty because those janitors are doing a damn good job!

[Lick Me Off]

damn Shaft. u almost got raped. With a name like Shaft Agent u should do the raping.

[Shaft Agent]

Originally Posted by Manx

^ Is Target where that retard almost got at you?

yes.

Originally Posted by Lick Me Off

damn Shaft. u almost got raped. With a name like Shaft Agent u should do the raping.

i'm always getting shafted- so much so, if there were an agency that was run on pain and suffering, i'd be guaranteed a job. even after death.

[RockBogart]

Originally Posted by Ducky

They aren't that dirty because those janitors are doing a damn good job!

I was thinking that too. Depending on where you work, its not unusual for a janitor to make that type of money.

[Ho0v-Man]

Yeah. The guy who delivers my mail makes slightly more than me. I HAVE A DEGREE!

[spudlyff8fan]

Originally Posted by Shaft Agent

yes.

That story is both scary as hell and kinda saddening at the same time. The retarded (the actual retarded) really do have Incredible Hulk powers.

[Lelouch(OTR)]

I'm pro walmart... broke people need walmart.