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Old 11-09-2009, 07:15 AM   #26
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Who told you that? He wanted to be my friend because I was beating his Hawk with mine
Jiggly's Hawk is better. I bump into penguin in some of my friends player rooms sometimes, and jiggly's on my friends list, so i get to play them both occasionally.

Penguin is really good and i enjoy playing against him when we meet. We both win some/lose some and have good, fun, close matches. On the other hand, i really have to keep on my toes to survive with jiggly. I think some of the difference between them might be down to specific matchup awareness but jiggly's definitely got superior execution on things like pulling off advanced stuff in the heat of battle etc. regardless of who he's up against.

This is only my oppinion based on his win/loss record against me, and maybe it's because his second character is my main (bison) and he knows that match inside out from both sides, but jiggly's timing with hawk is flawless. Any mistake by me means i'm in deep shit. I guess that's how that matchup goes if it's played right, but 8 out of 10 hawks on XBL don't even worry me, and the other one or two might just force me to play carefully but rarely cause me too much trouble if i stick to my game plan.

Jigglynorris has probably the only T.Hawk that really scares me. With him it's not "if i fuck up i might die", it's "if i fuck up i'm already dead"

....Oh and jiggly, you can quote me on that if you want
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:23 AM   #27
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Chun: Nipul/BeefBowl(dont think he plays hdr no more)
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I've played BeefBowl and Voltech and Cvital, and out of those three, I think the better/smarter Chun was Vital -- not to take anything away from Beef or Voltech.
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Old 11-09-2009, 10:45 AM   #28
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...Jigglynorris has probably the only T.Hawk that really scares me. With him it's not "if i fuck up i might die", it's "if i fuck up i'm already dead"...
In my experience, the difference between good players and GREAT players is this simple fact. The best players will consistently end the round on 1 big mistake. They'll either TOD combo, put you in endless corner pressure, or hit you with a series of mix-ups that force you to guess until you're ko'd.

Its also my experience that the added pressure of "don't make a mistake" often hampers execution, reaction time, and decision making.

I've literally frozen up while playing Bluetallcans.
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Old 11-09-2009, 01:45 PM   #29
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Jiggly's Hawk is better. I bump into penguin in some of my friends player rooms sometimes, and jiggly's on my friends list, so i get to play them both occasionally.

Penguin is really good and i enjoy playing against him when we meet. We both win some/lose some and have good, fun, close matches. On the other hand, i really have to keep on my toes to survive with jiggly. I think some of the difference between them might be down to specific matchup awareness but jiggly's definitely got superior execution on things like pulling off advanced stuff in the heat of battle etc. regardless of who he's up against.

This is only my oppinion based on his win/loss record against me, and maybe it's because his second character is my main (bison) and he knows that match inside out from both sides, but jiggly's timing with hawk is flawless. Any mistake by me means i'm in deep shit. I guess that's how that matchup goes if it's played right, but 8 out of 10 hawks on XBL don't even worry me, and the other one or two might just force me to play carefully but rarely cause me too much trouble if i stick to my game plan.

Jigglynorris has probably the only T.Hawk that really scares me. With him it's not "if i fuck up i might die", it's "if i fuck up i'm already dead"

....Oh and jiggly, you can quote me on that if you want
Ah thank you my Irish Friend.

And yeah, knowing both sides of that fight helps a lot, but I still say its a 6-4 fight in Hawk's favor. My Hawk has been pretty weak lately for some reason (well, maybe not as strong as he usually is) because I've been using so much Ryu/Dictator. I gotta change that.
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Old 11-09-2009, 03:41 PM   #30
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In my experience, the difference between good players and GREAT players is this simple fact. The best players will consistently end the round on 1 big mistake. They'll either TOD combo, put you in endless corner pressure, or hit you with a series of mix-ups that force you to guess until you're ko'd.
Yep, definitely. All of those things are really bad for bison too, when he's on the back foot. A defending dictator is usually a lot more of a pushover for all that stuff than an attacking one, and when i get cornered by someone that knows how to capitalize on a mistake and mix up effectively (tick 360 AND psychic rising hawks keeping me in the corner ), without me having a reversal super, i can literally put so much into trying to get out of a lockdown that by the time i do, my health is all but gone along with my chances of winning the round.

Word to the wise.If you're using bison, NEVER use your super versus a pro T.Hawk, unless it's GUARANTEED to win you the round. You never know when it might get your ass out of a certain death corner trap. One mistake or knockdown and hawk will be so far up your ass you'll be able to see the feather in his hair when you brush your teeth.

Build meter early and hold on to it like your life depends on it, because sooner or later it probably will.

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Ah thank you my Irish Friend.
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And yeah, knowing both sides of that fight helps a lot, but I still say its a 6-4 fight in Hawk's favor.
Yeah we've had that matchup discussion before and i think that sounds about right, but your hawk versus my bison is about 8:2 when you're on form.

My personal win/loss on beating hawks is probably 9 to 1 or better, because he just isn't a popular enough character to run into enough good ones online, which is a shame, but that also means it's hard to get enough practice to get good at beating good ones when you do meet them, which is much more annoying...But yeah, if the 2 characters are being played correctly and to the limit of what they can do like the tier list whores say, then it's definitely moved down from 7-3 Hawk (Vanilla ST) to about 6-4 Hawk (HDR). It's one of those matches where 2 characters have had their matchup effected quite a bit due to all the nerfs and buffs that happened in the remix. Hawk's Dive nerf and bison's better DR and stand jab, and even sometimes his fake slide (if the hawk player is slow/dumb) make it a bit easier for Dic, but then you come along and fuck it all up again with your monster tick 720s and the like....

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My Hawk has been pretty weak lately for some reason (well, maybe not as strong as he usually is) because I've been using so much Ryu/Dictator. I gotta change that.
BTW, your ryu is a great match for me, last time i played you i didn't want to stop playing at all. I can play versus ryu all day long on XBL, it's like painting by numbers, but i love meeting a clever one who doesn't fall for all the the usual dictator BS. Would love another pop at you to see how you're developing him. Hit me up if you see me on HDR.
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Old 11-14-2009, 04:33 AM   #31
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Just throwing out some names I haven't seen mentioned for some characters:

Blanka - Empirion
Balrog -
Ken - buhilaro (aniken)
Zangief -
Dhalsim -
Vega -
Ryu - uber cyber ryu, afro legends
Fei Long - ramza, rightupuralley
Dee Jay - true old school
Honda -
Guile - true old school
Cammy -
Bison - stiffpeter
Sagat - stiffpeter
Chun Li - zass
T. Hawk -
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Old 11-14-2009, 03:06 PM   #32
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Ken - buhilaro (aniken)
buhilaro is aniken? How sure are you of this? If so, that's awesome! = )
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