The SF4 Arcade Gameplay Discussion Thread (Japan)

[FreddyL0c0]

not even crouch lp? or an uppercut of ure own?

[CFAY]

when i say you cant punish i mean if he was to dash and block then he would block your uppercut, if he was to dash then throw, the throw usually comes out before your normal (even most light attacks), if he was to srk after a dash then you either have to block, dash back or do something with more invincibility. only real way to punish or avoid taking more damage is to know what he's gonna do next.

[Kunai]

dp, sadc wins games so you have to do your best to try and not be predictable. Say if before you always jumped in and combo'd after a knock down, only jump in with an hk or something, then WAIT for the dp, try to bait it out and make him waste the ex meter, as long as the player has less than 2 ex stocks you don't have much to worry about. you should deifnately be able to punish a fadc if it didn't hit you, but like you said, it requires crazy reflexes, but you just have to be looking for it. If you beat your oponnent down to less than half life and they have 2+ ex stocks and an ultra bar, they WILL be doing their best to try and get that shoryu to your chest. so use that against them, bait.

It's one thing to jump in and get dped, but really good Sagat/Ryu players will also find ways to get DP -> SADC - Ultra on you by becoming more aggressive and constantly attack you. Their goal is to get a combo string to connect so that it will end in jab DP -> SADC - Ultra.

In this case, you just have to watch the meters, watch for setups and play good defense. Ryu especially. He will try to set it up so he can continually cross you up and poke string you to death until he hits you while your guard is down. A good Ryu/Sagat player will not DP you until he knows you aren't blocking anymore or he uses 1/2 a Super bar to try and sneak in a SADC to throw or attack. The latter would be good because that means he has one less chance to do DP -> SADC - Ultra for a while.

Avoid being cross-up bait, I guess. That's all I can really recommend... but then you have to deal with fireball pressure. That's okay with Chun (I know Az mains her). She can Ultra at the right time.

[scrubydan]

for some reason good bison players can hit me with cr.lp or cr.lk after i uppercut dash cancel. same with him doing an FA dash and he would still hit me before i do anything. just seems like his moves have fast startup to punish me. and no i'm not a noob at this game lol, i won 1st place in both vancouver bc and seattle tournaments, it might be my problem that i delay the dash cancel a bit (because sagat needs it or he will end up on the other side), but ryu seems to be the same, getting hit after i do uppercut SA cancel dash in

[Azrael]

Its been a little while and some things have changed, so an update on the current national rankings.

1. ウメハラ (Umehara)
Character: Ryu
Battle Points: 130,915
Match/Win Ratio: 5,204/4,488 86.24%

2.　おじさんボーイ (Ojisan Boy)
Character: Sagat
Battle Points: 110,390
Match/Win Ratio: 4,352/3,516 80.79%

3.　マゴ (Mago)
Character: Sagat
Battle Points: 100,431
Match/Win Ratio: 4,091/3,202 78.27%

4.　あーるえふ (Aaruefu)
Character: Sagat
Battle Points: 89,309
Match/Win Ratio: 3,410 Matches (win ratio not public)

5.　志郎 (Shiro)
Character: Abel
Battle Points: 82,903
Match/Win Ratio: 3,654/2,845 77.86%

6.　時の扉 (Toki no Tobira)
Character: Balrog (Boxer)
Battle Points: 76,678
Match/Win Ratio: 3,094/2,574 83.19%

7.　ときどきヌキンクス (Tokidoki Nukinkusu)
Character: Chun-Li
Battle Points: 76,397
Match/Win Ratio: 3,484/2,233 64.09%

8.　ネモ (Nemo)
Character: Chun-Li
Battle Points: 76,507
Match/Win Ratio: 4,351/3,514 80.76%

9.　じょえ (Joe)
Character: C.Viper
Battle Points: 74,757
Match/Win Ratio: 2,293/1,812 79.02%

10.　☆カツオ☆ (Katsuo)
Character: Sagat
Battle Points: 74,521
Match/Win Ratio: 3,858/3,148 81.6%

11.　ボウヤ☆★☆ (Bouya)
Character: Zangief
Battle Points: 74,440
Match/Win Ratio: 4,664/3,575 76.65%

12.　ドラゴンボーイ (Dragon Boy)
Character: Ken
Battle Points: 72,874
Match/Win Ratio: 1,783/1,432 80.31%

13.　伊予 (Iyo)
Character: Dhalsim
Battle Points: 71,880
Match/Win Ratio: 2,924/2,197 75.14%

14.　くま (Kuma)
Character: M.Bison (Dictator)
Battle Points: 69,449
Match/Win Ratio: 4,817/3,886 80.67%

15.　Radiowave
Character: Sagat
Battle Points: 68,838
Match/Win Ratio: 1,992/1,621 81.38%

16.　ももち (Momochi)
Character: Akuma
Battle Points: 65,987
Match/Win Ratio: 1,373/1,026 74.73%

17.　AOI
Character: Sagat
Battle Points: 65,586
Match/Win Ratio: 5,040/4,194 83.21%

18.　静岡最強 (Shizuoka Saikyou)
Character: Blanka
Battle Points: 65,084
Match/Win Ratio: 4,194/3,211 76.56%

19.　まぁクン (Maakun)
Character: Sagat
Battle Points: 65,020
Match/Win Ratio: 4,052/3,119 76.97%

20.　だしお (Dashio)
Character: C.Viper
Battle Points: 65,286
Match/Win Ratio: 2,738/2,058 75.16%

Notes:

-- As I was typing this out a lot of these guys were playing, so their BP/Match-Win ratio may be different by the time you see this. Rankings are calculated at the end of the day, so this is accurate as of midnight last night. Today's results may not effect the rankings that much, except Dashio might take the 19th spot, and Nemo might surpass Nuki.

-- For those who forgot, Battle Points (BP) are calculated for all those who use the IC cards. You get points for winning and lose points for losing. BP is scaled, so beating someone with far less BP only nets a gain of about 10-20 BP. Beating someone with more BP/about even level nets 100-200 BP. To give you a frame of reference, anyone in the 20,000's is a solid player at least - 30-40,000's is good enough to win tournaments and be the champ of an arcade with good comp, and 50,000 is enough for most people to say they have one of the best (insert character here) in the country, excepting the top 20 above of course.

-- If the percentage doesn't add to to the Match/Win math, don't blame me, blame Capcom. I just copied what was there on the mobile site.

-- There was about a week where Ojisan Boy overtook Daigo for the #1 spot, but Daigo has since reclaimed the top.

-- Obviously Sagat is dominating the top 20. A few months ago, there were a lot more Ryu's and Zangief's, but they've fallen off apparently.

-- If you want to search for match vids of these characters, try YouTube or Nico with their player name in Japanese, and maybe ストリートファイターIV / 4 or ストIV / 4. Note that the "IV/4" means to search for either "ストIV" or "スト4".

-- I've played against Aaruefu's Sagat a few times. He's good. His command of normals is awesome, but he can also play a good zoning game - he can take off 50% damage just through Tiger Shots.

[Deezo]

It's dope to see CvS2 players like Bouya, Iyo, and Shiro in the top 20.

[poonage]

Interesting to see Toki no Tobira up there, he was one of the top Amakusa players in Samurai Tenka that inspired me to use him. Also used Mr. Heart in HnK. Always learns characters slightly off the beaten path REALLY well.

"aaruefu" is of course R.F. of Guilty Gear fame.

[Azrael]

For the characters who didn't make the Top 20, here are the best individual players for that character, and where they stack up on the national ranking.

E.Honda
Player Name: ナガブチ (Nagabuchi)
National Rank: 90
Battle Points: 47,914
Match/Win Ratio: 4,531/3,406 75.17%

Guile
Player Name: エフィー (Effie)
National Rank: 73
Battle Points: 51,028
Match/Win Ratio: 3,957/3,215　　81.25%

Vega (Claw)
Player Name: 寝王☆誠 (Ne-ou Makoto)
National Rank: 33
Battle Points: 60,393
Match/Win Ratio: 3,416/2,948 86.3%

Rufus
Player Name: 金デヴ (Kindevu)
National Rank: 30
Battle Points: 61,846
Match/Win Ratio: 1,202/933 77.62%

El Fuerte
Player Name: 回転王 (Kaitenou)
National Rank: 37
Battle Points: 59,434
Match/Win Ratio: 4,444/3,210 72.23%

[Shinkuu Tatsumaki]

Hey guys, I've been wondering, what are the juggle mechanics in this game? Are there some characters who can do insane amount of juggles like 3s? Or is everyone limited?

[Lebowsk1]

http://gamechariot.com/08movie_SF4.html

This match: http://gamechariot.movie.coocan.jp/m...207_sf4_07.mp4

Greatest match of anything ever?

[Crisium]

Very entertaining :)

I'm glad the new characters don't have any fireballs, because they are entertaining when they are in your face.

[Pieguy]

Weird that there's no higher ranked rufus's. But then again, he's one ugly bitch so not surprising.

[UltraDavid]

He's a good character, but he's not as good as people made him out to be in the early going. Same with Gief. The only characters aside from Sagat that have more than 1 rep in the top 20 are Chun and Viper, which is surprising to me. Pretty incredible that only 3 characters have 2+ reps in the top 20 and that only one has more than 2.

[Red_venom]

Hey guys, I've been wondering, what are the juggle mechanics in this game? Are there some characters who can do insane amount of juggles like 3s? Or is everyone limited?

In short: No.

The juggles are much more like the CvS games or ST a little bit. The basics are that very few normals and specials juggle but some set up juggles with anything. Most EX specials, ultras and supers juggle but there is a limit of 3 "moves" in your juggle(Not that a ton of characters can take advantage of this)

In general the most common setups for good juggles are EX move -> Ultra, or Special cancelled with focus attack -> ultra

the combo system is pretty cool though, you can do a lot with the focus cancel.

[DutchieD]

El Fuerte
Player Name: 回転王 (Kaitenou)
National Rank: 37
Battle Points: 59,434
Match/Win Ratio: 4,444/3,210 72.23%

wtfff not tetsu??

[CFAY]

12.　ドラゴンボーイ (Dragon Boy)
Character: Ken
Battle Points: 72,874
Match/Win Ratio: 1,783/1,432 80.31%


the most impressive record up there if you ask me. not even 2000 matches with that much bp is just crazy. not to mention the win ratio...good stuff. i'd say that akuma is pretty nice too.

[scrubydan]

7.　ときどきヌキンクス (Tokidoki Nukinkusu)
Character: Chun-Li
Battle Points: 76,397
Match/Win Ratio: 3,484/2,233 64.09%

8.　ネモ (Nemo)
Character: Chun-Li
Battle Points: 76,507
Match/Win Ratio: 4,351/3,514 80.76%

...wait a second
am i seeing things, or does nemo have better win ratios, more bp and matches played, yet rank under the 7th place?
i dont know how this works..

[Crisium]

He's a good character, but he's not as good as people made him out to be in the early going. Same with Gief. The only characters aside from Sagat that have more than 1 rep in the top 20 are Chun and Viper, which is surprising to me. Pretty incredible that only 3 characters have 2+ reps in the top 20 and that only one has more than 2.

6 Sagat's in the top 20 is highly discouraging though.

[Azrael]

...wait a second
am i seeing things, or does nemo have better win ratios, more bp and matches played, yet rank under the 7th place?
i dont know how this works..

As I said, some people were actually playing as I was typing. Nemo was playing, and winning, so his BP was going up. I just wrote down his current BP as of that moment. Rankings are calculated once a day, so the order didn't take into account his BP gains. Right now he has moved into the 7th spot.

Match count and win ratio actually has nothing to do with the ranking, its all about BP.

[platinum_pinoy]

SNIP

Glad to see the tiers isn't extremely lop sided. Abel, C. Viper, Sagat, Balrog, Akuma, Chun Li...That's better than top 3/4 of the game just dominating the game.

It's funny to see that the #1 player is the only one using Ryu. I mean, that just goes to show you that the top player isn't using top tier to win.

[Pieguy]

Wha? Ryu is top tier in this game. Everything he has is completely solid. Solid AA, high damage, solid normals, amazing FA, extremely versatile ultra/super and a ton of mix-up. Off the top of my head, I know ryu has 4 different ways to land a full damage ultra not counting a lvl 2 FADC. A lot of the cast only has 1-2 ways to hit an ultra.

Jab SRK AA
FADC SRK
EX Hadouken (corner)
Fireball trap

4 very easy ways to hit ultra

[bebop3000]

Vega (Claw)
Player Name: 寝王☆誠 (Ne-ou Makoto)
National Rank: 33
Battle Points: 60,393
Match/Win Ratio: 3,416/2,948 86.3%

Anyone have vids of him?

[Azrael]

Wha? Ryu is top tier in this game. Everything he has is completely solid. Solid AA, high damage, solid normals, amazing FA, extremely versatile ultra/super and a ton of mix-up. Off the top of my head, I know ryu has 4 different ways to land a full damage ultra not counting a lvl 2 FADC. A lot of the cast only has 1-2 ways to hit an ultra.

Jab SRK AA
FADC SRK
EX Hadouken (corner)
Fireball trap

4 very easy ways to hit ultra

Plus...

EX Hadouken SADC (anywhere)
EX Tatsu (Corner)

I think people just flock to Sagat because he's easier.

[Dime_x]

Wha? Ryu is top tier in this game. Everything he has is completely solid. Solid AA, high damage, solid normals, amazing FA, extremely versatile ultra/super and a ton of mix-up. Off the top of my head, I know ryu has 4 different ways to land a full damage ultra not counting a lvl 2 FADC. A lot of the cast only has 1-2 ways to hit an ultra.

Jab SRK AA
FADC SRK
EX Hadouken (corner)
Fireball trap

4 very easy ways to hit ultra

dont forget cr.mk xx ex fireball fadc ultra, daigo hit with this outside of the corner and at max cr.mk range.





-dime




-edit. lol az beat me to it!

[xxSupreme]

damn Daigos's seriously kickin ass. Maybe he's training for something...