Warriors Fate: Street Fighter story thread, revived

[Ultima]

mikros:

I think you misunderstand SF's pedigree.

SF's characters may contain some real world type archetypes, but it's much more accurate to say that SF has always had anime/manga archetypes. SF1 had more real world archetypes than SF2, which in turn had more real world archetypes than SF3, etc. In fact, SF1 is the only game in the entire series that mostly consists of real world archetypes, and even then, the last boss is disqualified (Sagat is more of a monster type character a la Raoh than any real resemblance to a Muey Thai fighter - Adon is the real Muey Thai fighter in SF). Once you add the archetypically vain Claw (whose moveset bears zero resemblance to actual bullfighting, not to mention is only a bullfighter in appearance from the waist down) and the psychic-powered BigBad in Dictator (totally made up moves), then you can forget any type of "real world" classification as a criteria. Those types abound in anime and manga though, which is where SF's influence truly comes from.

The truth is, SF characters have always been little more than gimmicks.

[vasili10]

That was fun. I had wanted to read that event for a long time.

I’d like to propose something. First of all, thanks for your translations, but they are a pain to read, and even hard to understand. I know you have a good English because of your posts, so I figure that the problem is due to trying to be too faithful to the original text, as I know that Japanese and English work in a whole different way. Would it be possible to get more natural translations and, if needed, some additional notes explaining any subtleties lost in translation?

You're welcome mikros. In the future possibly. For now though, feel free to ask questions if you have any.

[Ansatsuken-TKD]

I’d like to propose something. First of all, thanks for your translations, but they are a pain to read, and even hard to understand. I know you have a good English because of your posts, so I figure that the problem is due to trying to be too faithful to the original text, as I know that Japanese and English work in a whole different way. Would it be possible to get more natural translations and, if needed, some additional notes explaining any subtleties lost in translation?

While I enjoy the translations you do Vasili, I also have a tough time understanding what's going on with them. They tend to come off a lil bit unnatural - but I'm sure you could change that, right?

[vasili10]

83 right...56 left...85 right.

SELECT YOUR CHARACTER!

I could Ansatsuken-TKD, I just won't at this time.

[The Lone Dragon]

Crimson Viper

[vasili10]

Crimson Viper

Granted.

C. Viper

"Yes, that's right. Understood!"

Prologue:

Contact #1: "Taking over the failed combat auxiliary suits project, the rebuilt merit for us is assessing exceedingly high."

C. Viper: "Thank you very much."

Contact #1: "As the previous good yield's final performance assessment experiment, it is a matter to say of participating at the world fighting tournament our company is to hold but, you yourself will participate perhaps eh?"

C. Viper: "For currently the prototype's numbers are also an issue of limiting. For to draw out 100% of this suit's efficiency, there isn't anything else to do for me in advance."

Contact #1: "You seem considerably confident don't you. On account of your success, just as you wish, I'll take care of conferring you for proposal to the boss for the position of person responsible for the BLECE development."

Contact #2: "Crimson Viper. To forward the data that's been entrusted to you, in addition if it is to become such an obstacle in advance to the infiltration investigation, to have the characters' entries verified. That is all."

Rival battle intro vs Chun Li:

Chun Li: "Aren't you, S.I.N's so-called management candidate? I want to hear your story, you're coming with me!"

C. Viper: "ICPO... Unnecessary matter... Excuse me, I'm embarrassed at your aimless wanderings currently!"

Chun Li: "What did you say?"

C. Viper: "Sorry but, I'll be making you retire here."

Speech during fighting (to rival unless otherwise noted):

-opening line: "Good grief..."
to Vega: "Now then, what to do I wonder?"
to Cammy: "Adorable soldier aren't you."

-first attack: "Because an amateur is reluctant!!"
to Vega: "Fuhuu."
to Cammy: "The substitute for a business card!!"

-midst of battle line: "Come at me!, don't be sluggish."
to Vega: "Passing through so much boredom a yawn's coming up."
to Cammy: "Exhausted?"

-opponent dizzy: "Good night already?"
to Vega: "You don't mean you've fallen asleep?"
to Cammy: "Oh my oh my."

-opponent recovers from dizzy: "Though you would've had it better if you were sleeping."
to Vega: "Considerably composed aren't you?"
to Cammy: "I'm over here!"

-reversal: "Is there willingness?"
to Vega: "Largely surpassing!"
to Cammy: "Which way are you facing?"

-combo hit: "Hey now hey now! Simple isn't it!"
to Vega: "Just a mouth aren't you. Now then, how's it!"
to Cammy: "Giving in is also fine!! Not freezing on following up?"

-saving attack level 3 hit: "Now then."
to Vega: "Doesn't seem patterned does it!"
to Cammy: "Still yet a child aren't you!"

-revenge gauge 100% full: "Good grief...why is ICPO something."
to Vega: "Crud, the reason the demon being's name isn't for 'showing off' isn't it."
to Cammy: "As expected of Delta Red..."

-stamina on the brink of death: "Isn't that enough already?"
to Vega: "Always obstinate aren't you!"
to Cammy: "Unexpected labor taken isn't it."

-super combo gauge full: "Gasp..that's trouble."
to Vega: "I've had enough."
to Cammy: "Gradually isn't it."

-revenge gauge 50% full: "I've gotten fed up!"
to Vega: "I will finish it!"
to Cammy: "There's not going to be a next time!"

-ultra combo: "I'll show you an example!"
to Vega: "Farewell!"
to Cammy: "That's trouble!"

-super combo finish: "Make a fresh start!"
to Vega: "In a short while die!"
to Cammy: "Fuhuhu, don't cry now!"

-ultra combo finish: "Quickly go back investigator!"
to Vega: "You'll no longer resurrect!"
to Cammy: "Remember about using your head!"

Random win quotes:

A- "If non-opposition comes to an end, it's finished through such a painful experience unseen!"

B- "For this time's example negotiation is difficult to worry over, to be insufficient even with other hands."

C- "Oh no, this is just business, not murder!"

D- "Dark abilities are cowardly? Okay you, believe that even society is capable of being fair?"

E- "I said that today I'll quickly return to my daughter! Don't persist when you also have no chance."

F- "Good grief! Even if it has nothing to do with work, I've done a pointless fight."

G- "For my weapons eat up preparation time! I want you to not come face me abruptly."

H- "Quickly it was put in order well. With this I'll go home within the scope of that child getting up."

I- "Effort? Disciplining? What are such words helpful for?"

J- "It's not playing! There's no leisure to associate in your preferences."

K- "That's trouble."

Personal win quotes:

vs Ryu: "Your income exists? You properly pay taxes? About insurance?"

vs Ken: "When it comes to this year, saying that 'man isn't face', you understand! He's only face, isn't he."

vs E. Honda: "I wonder if you're even listening? Is it regular pay for a 'sumo wrestler'? Yield system?"

vs Chun Li: "Single advice, you don't have to be more meek! Even heart also body..."

vs rival Chun Li: "Gosh, the infiltration investigation thanks to this person is, at the point of exposure."

vs Blanka: "Hey, when you ride on an airplane, where do you ride? A seat? The hold?"

vs Zangief: "Even without such a large voice I hear you, there's a reason to get close like this, isn't there?"

vs Guile: "Your story, of the olden days I heard it well, though a man capable of more I say that's an impression."

vs Dhalsim: "What's not good about earning income with your own power? Strange rule isn't it."

vs M. Bison: "Merely pushing does nothing but degrade a woman! For nowadays."

vs Balrog: "Not to mention face, I'm not liking the long hair, the weapon and clothes and personality even no good."

vs Sagat: "Looking too much at a distance, you get into the trap underfoot... It's good to be even about a task!"

vs Vega: "Huh, trivial, was that posture for something of a penalty game?"

vs C. Viper: "Mutual work therefore it can't be helped can it, I say it's about no hard feelings."

vs Abel: "Speech and conduct is settling down, skill also rises doesn't it, not coming to the house? Though wages are cheap."

vs El Fuerte: "It's not unnecessary to hesitate? You are a good character for, the lucha aspect!"

vs Rufus: "From wasting time, I dislike idle talk!"

vs Gouki: "Throw away everything for the sake of might? Appears like it's idiotic!"

vs Seth: "Now then, 26 bodies remain don't they, I have to hurry..."

vs Seth (vs mode): "You cooperate with the investigation then, even a petition of penalty reduction shall be fine! What'll you do?"

vs Gouken: "Strange isn't it...according to the data, although what! you should be dead..."

vs Sakura: "I'm envious, for in you after this, are about many first's isn't it."

vs Dan: "For men are fools however adorable aren't they! Although caused also by degree."

vs Fei Long: "Honestly don't you speak with a little lower voice? I consider that way to be better tasteful."

vs Cammy: "Enjoy the secret, young lady. For that beautifies a woman!"

vs Gen: "That's disappointing, skill as noted in hearsay then, I'd considered to scout you however."

vs Rose: "Won't go for a drink this time? A pretense from a fellow female it's enjoyable!"

Ending

Arcade:

Seth: "For you, had worked well for S.I.N.'s sake... For you everything in advance pretexting responses in such short times, you concluded in exactness. As though at your back expressing model solutions there's like a grand organization perhaps."

C. Viper: "You talk too much. Sleep already... I've erased No. 15. I'll submit a written report shortly. The remaining 26 bodies also I'm grasping. Understood. I shall deal with the disposal at once."

Console:

Seth: "It was a consideration of so-called over-excellence wasn't it... For you had worked well for S.I.N.'s sake... For you everything in advance pretexting responses in such short times, you concluded in exactness. As though at your back expressing model solutions there's like a grand organization perhaps. That's right the C..."

C. Viper: "You talk too much. Sleep already... I've erased No. 15. I'll submit a written report shortly. The remaining 26 bodies also I'm grasping. Understood. I shall deal with the disposal at once."

[The Lone Dragon]

Thanks!

Gotta say, I'm impressed with how accurate the English dub/translations have been when compared to the Japanese version. No major faux pas in Viper's quotes, as far as I can remember.
She does seem a little "sassier" in the English versions, though. But, the subtleties of the language might simply be lost in your direct translations out of necessity.

Her quote to Guile seems to have a different meaning in English. In English she sort of has a condescending tone ("I heard about you. Of course I thought you´d be a lot tougher
than this."), while the Japanese implies that Guile was holding back, or is capable of more.

American versions of win quotes for future reference:
http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelin...012&rid=180356

Her Gouki quote in English is a little funnier. "Typical male ego", indeed. Sassy!

[Sano]

James Goddard talks about creating Dee Jay and how thrilled he is that Dee Jay is in Super Street Fighter IV.

http://www.capcom-unity.com/kramez/b...james_goddard#

[vasili10]

Thanks!

Gotta say, I'm impressed with how accurate the English dub/translations have been when compared to the Japanese version. No major faux pas in Viper's quotes, as far as I can remember.
She does seem a little "sassier" in the English versions, though. But, the subtleties of the language might simply be lost in your direct translations out of necessity.

Her quote to Guile seems to have a different meaning in English. In English she sort of has a condescending tone ("I heard about you. Of course I thought you´d be a lot tougher
than this."), while the Japanese implies that Guile was holding back, or is capable of more.

American versions of win quotes for future reference:
http://www.neoseeker.com/resourcelin...012&rid=180356

Her Gouki quote in English is a little funnier. "Typical male ego", indeed. Sassy!

You're welcome The Lone Dragon.

Yeah Viper is sassy in English, at times sounding like an angry smart-aleck teen in a grown woman's body. She's more professional and cool-headed originally.

[aerialgroove]

Dee Jay looks great! Here's the older interview http://uk.gamespy.com/articles/954/954328p1.html

I guess they lowered their twin standards with Yun, Yang, Sean…

[vasili10]

Dee Jay looks great! Here's the older interview http://uk.gamespy.com/articles/954/954328p1.html

I guess they lowered their twin standards with Yun, Yang, Sean…

I do like the way he looks in-game, but Ikeno's full-body art makes him look a little... I dunno...creepy in my opinion. Eyes seem a bit too beady.

[Ultima]

I think it's the other way around: He looks perfect in Ikeno's art, and in-game his face has the expression of a retarded psychopath.

[aerialgroove]

Sagat is more of a monster type character a la Raoh than any real resemblance to a Muey Thai fighter

Never heard that before. http://crane.50megs.com/index6w.htm

…Dictator (totally made up moves)…Those types abound in anime and manga though, which is where SF's influence truly comes from.

Purposely ignoring that the mangas and animes are Martial Arts stories. HNK moves are of course made up, but they're made up Martial Arts moves. And that's exactly were his Psycho Crusher and air flips come from. The cape and stance are from Washizaki, who is a military fighter. Unfortunately they didn't also give him a sword. Would have been cool, even if just for posing a la Fei-Long.

Claw (whose moveset bears zero resemblance to actual bullfighting, not to mention is only a bullfighter in appearance from the waist down)

1. Better to be a bull fighter than a cook, even if the moves don't resemble the other profession.

2. http://www.noe-v.com/images/articles/sanpo01.jpg
http://www.noe-v.com/images/articles/dickwei02.jpg
Ninjitsu, Kung Fu and Bullfighting = 3X Fighting

…in-game his face has the expression of a retarded psychopath.

That's the Dee Jay we know and love.

…Later characters deviate much more from reality; there are few steps from Blanka to Tarzan, while there are many from Necro to Jason Bourne, and also many from Sakura to any professional fighter. Then we have the story, which used to revolve around vengeance, rivalries and the will of becoming stronger, whereas now it revolves around dark powers, clones and superschoolgirls. I don’t think it’s just the tastes of different ages but a flattening and loss of soul in the series, as new characters and story have nothing beyond the gimmicks.

Agree 100%. Necro is based on a character from Giant Robo. In an interview the head of the SFII team mentioned that he met a man who won a Karate tournament and left before the awards ceremony, because he wanted to follow Ryu's example. I wonder what a fighter, who wants to be just like a SFIII chracter, would be like.

http://www.noe-v.com/images/articles/juri03.jpg

[vasili10]

Some better stabs at what they're saying now that CJ's released the trailer on their website:

T. Hawk's intro: "A battle to uphold true courage, and also to win!"

Dee Jay's intro: "Showtime!"

And since she vocally steals the show:

Juri's intro: "Huu~un, pretty nice body don'cha have there huh." (if this is true I can see why people would say she swings multiple ways, either that or she could be "evaluating" bodies for Seth)

heard during her "stomps": "Ni~ice eh!"

as her ultra starts: "Don't wake up, you!" (the biggest stab, tough to tell what she says before "anta/you")

her ultra's caressing point: "That felt good didn't it?"

[The Lone Dragon]

I wonder what a fighter, who wants to be just like a SFIII chracter, would be like.

An elegant gentleman with class both inside and outside the ring.

Then we have the story, which used to revolve around vengeance, rivalries and the will of becoming stronger, whereas now it revolves around dark powers, clones and superschoolgirls. I don’t think it’s just the tastes of different ages but a flattening and loss of soul in the series, as new characters and story have nothing beyond the gimmicks.

As if the story STILL doesn't revolve around vengeance, rivalries, and the will of becoming stronger? Who's on the cover of SF4? And, why are they fighting?

And, when didn't SF revolve around dark powers? SF1, I guess. But, come SF2 the "dark powers" element was already introduced.

"Super school girls?" Yeah, I guess it sounds ridiculous when you put it that way. But, with a less ridiculous phrasing, Sakura is just a school girl who's interested in martial arts. Not all that crazy, considering the number of female martial arts practitioners in the world.

And, the "clone" theme is DEFINITELY a sign of the times. Every fighting game series basically developed some sort of clone/science storyline around the turn of the century...KOF, Tekken, VF, GG, etc. Heck, it wasn't just fighting games. The Matrix was out around that time, and sci-fi was the thing. Why should SF be immune to contemporary interests?

It's not like the vengeance, fighting strength, rivalry stuff ever strayed from centerstage, even with the sci-fi elements. The soul of the series was never truly lost.

[aerialgroove]

Sure you can fill the cast up with clones and 10 more characters that have scars and amnesia or you come up with something new. Oh I forgot, everything has been done.

[The Lone Dragon]

Why come up with something new when people will only complain that it's not like the old?
Isn't that what this whole discussion is about? How the new stuff isn't like the old stuff?

Anyways, Juri, like her design or not, is pretty new for the SF world. New martial art, new country representative, one of the only evil TKD users I know of...and we don't even know much about her yet. The trailers portray her as a rival to M. Bison/Vega, so I'm sure she'll have some more interesting details once the game nears completion.

[Sagatryu]

Vega

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlFzuVw772A&fmt=18

[vasili10]

Day 3

SELECT YOUR CHARACTER!

[Lord Vega]

Vega

Hey Vas, why don't you translate the taunts as well?

[vasili10]

Vega

Hey Vas, why don't you translate the taunts as well?

Granted.

Vega

"Lord Vega shall be your opponent."

Prologue:

Vega: "Hurry and get me out from here! How long do you plan for me to stay in this place?"

Scientist: "It's inexcusable Lord Vega. Just now please wait a little while. For this time's body, more than the last installments, we are regulating the withstanding method in Lord Vega's psycho power."

Vega: "Hurry and get me out, body and the like, every one of them is the same. Until I obtain "that man's" body... Until then moving is fine."

Scientist: "I-indeed... All of you, were surely hearing. Make haste with the psycho power's injection. We're allowed for Lord Vega's revival."

Rival battle intro vs C. Viper:

C. Viper: "To be specially coming forth, that's an honor."

Vega: "You're from where dogs are which is fine. That equipment is very interesting. If you would offer them to Lord Vega, I shall overlook approximately one dog."

C. Viper: "It's unfortunate but, these aren't my personal property."

Vega: "In that case, die."

C. Viper: "Back at you isn't it."

Speech during fighting (to rival unless otherwise noted):

-opening line: "Blasted dog."

-first attack: "Seems that you want to die don't you."

-midst of battle line: "Just a bark eh."

-opponent dizzy: "Seems that you wish to be killed don't you."

-opponent recovers from dizzy: "That's futile."

-reversal: "Rubbish."

-combo hit: "Insect. Blasted garbage."

-saving attack level 3 hit: "Kneel."

-revenge gauge 100% full: "Fu, even though a mongrel there seems to be fangs doesn't it."

-stamina on the brink of death: "That's a fussy scrub."

-super combo gauge full: "Beg for your life."

-revenge gauge 50% full: "Already there's no sympathy."

-ultra combo: "It's finished."

-super combo finish: "That was an insignificant life wasn't it."

-ultra combo finish: "As for the corpse I shall see it off to the owner."

Random win quotes:

A- "Hmph, as far as meeting fists, not even worth is there, blasted garbage!"

B- "I shall put your corpse onto Shadoloo's human pillar!"

C- "Is it in sight?? This is hell's scenery!"

D- "Your despair is to become my power..."

E- "Go ahead be relieved, before long this world also will follow your end..."

F- "How is it, the taste of true terror? Next time I'll grant you an eternal nightmare!!" (mostly faxed from SF2)

G- "That was good offense, I give you passing marks. Now then, this is the prized death!"

H- "For before the emperor, the fact is everyone is a creeper on the ground..."

I- "It's not necessary to rise up, for the matters you can do, are therefore already nonexistent aren't they."

J- "For I am resurrected! Any number of times! As long as I like isn't it!"

K- "Trash!"

Personal win quotes:

vs Ryu: "Even amounting to this period the fighting spirit unlost eye! With pleasure I trample that!!"

vs Ken: "What a loser seems to bellow is, what I don't even feel as far as my hair!"

vs E. Honda: "National sport or whatever is astonishing to hear! There's no need for old-fashioned techniques!"

vs Chun Li: "Over with that eh!? Even your father would likely be feeling ashamed of his daughter wouldn't he!"

vs Blanka: "For your raised jungle, probably is surely a plain weak location isn't it!"

vs Zangief: "Shammed techniques in shammed muscle... Not essential in my Shadoloo!"

vs Guile: "What is a nation's dog capable of! Quickly to your friend's side die!"

vs Dhalsim: "Probably don't know what I mean by the likes of death? You mustn't trust in your own exaggerated story boasting!"

vs M. Bison: "Understanding how to become a dog that bites its master eh? From now it seems I'll teach you..."

vs Balrog: "To forgive whims, be helpful just at intervals!"

vs Sagat: "Already you're not my servant, that's my scapegoat..."

vs Vega: "For the king in the world is only one! Terror's king isn't it!"

vs C. Viper: "Small fry! Concerning searching for us and the like, it seems that it's much too heavy a load for you doesn't it!"

vs rival C. Viper: "If you honestly obey my commands, just that life shall be a carried back thing."

vs Abel: "A face I've seen from somewhere haven't I, from leaping fire he's in a so-called place for summer's bugs eh."

vs El Fuerte: "Now there's nothing to be worried about, because you will die here won't you!"

vs Rufus: "Not even having moves I must see, even qualities mediocre, that seems to be of no value to let you live..."

vs Gouki: "Kukuku, this is satsui no hadou eh... I see, such is the power to use."

vs Seth: "Not yet! There's no utilizing at this degree!"

vs Seth (vs mode): "Forgot the matter that you're just spare parts yourself eh. Foolish isn't it..."

vs Gouken: "Don't even concern yourself, soon I shall send you off together with your students...!"

vs Sakura: "That's deserving better talent in a little girl, although you die to go that far didn't you!"

vs Dan: "Blasted buffoon! Disappointing that if only there was time to kill you!"

vs Fei Long: "The same as your power, is impertinent to designate as talent!"

vs Cammy: "Seem broken don't you. However, there exist as many substitutes as I like."

vs Gen: "Fu, if you lurked within the silent darkness, it was a good thing!"

vs Rose: "Don't be mistaken, for power to be essential, the likes of your consent is needless!"


Ending

Arcade:

Seth: "Vega, why have you appeared now? Just before the ruler's throne has rolled, into my hands! What's so funny!"

Vega: "What if I said that the matters taken place were all laid out along a rail?"

Seth: "I'll erase you."

Vega: "Erase me? This one's also a failure product eh... Well fine. You all shall be his opponent."

Console:

Seth: "Vega, why have you appeared now? Just before the ruler's throne has rolled, into my hands!"

Vega: "What if I said that the matters taken place were all laid out along a rail?"

Seth: "I'll erase you."

Vega: "Erase me? This one's also a failure product eh... Well fine. You all shall be his opponent."


Because I don't normally do taunts in my SQDE files, unless people specifically request for them.

[Shockdingo]

Oh man, gotta love that Youtube video of the Bison stage song. On the topic of Bison, wow, those are some cold quotes he says to Chun li and Guile, lol such a magnificent bastard and dictator.

[Roogle]

Dictator is a lot less harsh to Rose compared to others like Guile and Chun-Li. I wonder why? I guess he just sees Rose like a minor annoyance if anything.

[vasili10]

Dictator is a lot less harsh to Rose compared to others like Guile and Chun-Li. I wonder why? I guess he just sees Rose like a minor annoyance if anything.

Rose was and still can be useful to him; Guile and Chun-Li have been amusing thorns in his side.

[vasili10]

How should neg-reppers be dealt with for not trying PM's first?

SELECT YOUR CHARACTER!