Pre-release cold star still would be the best assist in the game for most characters, strong neutral assist that sets up amazing mix ups for high/low/left/right/throw/unblockable and can likely set that up from your character’s projectile pokes. If it was available characters like Firebrand, Zero, and Viper would be even more OP since they’d just be able to confirm off of full screen pokes into setting up unblockable situations.
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I think the more important question is which DHC/THC do you want in that situation. Neither assist is the end-all be-all for every character in the game. If your character can DHC into the stalking flare followups, Dorm is an amazing damage engine. If your character can let Dorm combo off chaotic flame THC, Dorm is pretty stupid. If you have someone that can abuse Ammy Bomb or have some character with specific Veil follow-up combos, etc.
For characters that can’t abuse a longer lockdown, the difference in the assists are pretty negligible and it comes down to other synergy. If you need the lockdown for hi/low game, then CS is better for neutral, though you’re most likely basing the rest of the team on the fact that you have CS to abuse ammy bomb since you don’t have a damage engine behind one of your characters.
I agree with rokmodes logic. However this game is starting to trend towards characters who can fight in all 3 positions and can still provide something in any role, Dorm unfortunately doesnt fit that bill. He is a situational character that can make things lopsided in a heartbeat if the situation is good or can crack if its bad. Its just he is easy to get started on some teams. Ammy I believe is under explored and under developed and potentially brings something in all 3 positions that dorm can’t. I would rather have ammy start a match than dorm. I also like ammy without factor than dorm. Dorm is stuck in the 2nd position on optimal teams because he gets setup best and isnt anchor material. It goes beyond simply assist.
Niggas better start learning there team front to back. I’m telling ya, people in the future are gonna have teams that can change the ordee to counter certain teams and shells. Those teams are going to be consistent threats in the long run because you wont be able to just completely counter them period.
I think ammy is better than dorm overall imo.
What are the differences between pre-release coldstar and ultimate coldstar? i know vanilla coldstar had unscaled hitstun so coldstar wouldnt drop far in the combo
Idk I agree overall ammy is better, but that depends on how much you factor support into a tier list.
Ammy point is actually surprisingly good with good assists. It’s not reliable for fighting a lot of the cast, but ammy wins a surprising amount of matchups. (wolverine)
I don’t think ammy second is very good personally, and I think ammy is pretty much made for anchor, but point ammy is very viable when it comes to certain matchups. A lot of characters have trouble dealing with her. Just some matchups I personally like with point ammy: haggar, doom, dante, wolverine, taskmaster, nova, jill, and pretty much any other character who gets fucked by her height or has a “linear” approach. The biggest problem with ammy second is that she loses to a lot of zoning characters once they get started, so she has to come into a lot of bullshit + you don’t get her for xf3. She is trouble for these characters if and once she gets in, but otherwise it can be quite tough. Such matchups include strange, hawkeye, dorm, etc. She is only slightly better at fighting these matchups than doom is except she doesn’t provide plasma beam to compensate. Most ammy duos are stronger with ammy assist than she is with their assists. There are few examples where it is the other way around (ammy arthur>arthur ammy, ammy/dante>dante/ammy, some others).
TL;DR Probably put her last unless you’re fighting wolverine
pre-release cold star is the grounded one that shoots forwards
and it lasted a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time
Pre-release Cold Star assist was the L version. There was video of it in the dog forums a long time ago.
I cannot begin to fathom how disgusting Cold Star L would be as an assist, especially if Ammy comes out behind the point.
Remember Dante’s OOOOOOLD OLD OLD OLD Million Dollars hyper? The one that lasted for literally five seconds?
I’m still in mourning for Deadpool’s I LOVE ME SOME GUN
The theory thread is so next level we not only talk about stuff people don’t do, we talk about stuff people can’t do.
it’s not a big deal but any small advantage can turn into a big opportunity, it’s marvel. literally a few extra frames of not being able to call an assist can change situations. things like hidden missiles, magblast, soul fist, unibeam, hadangeki, arrows, drones, random jabs or air normals, round trip, are all moves that can feasibly hit your assist. grounded assists don’t get stunned as long. the otg isn’t as big of a deal as the time to recall the assist.
I like that you touched on this.
THE biggest strength you can have when you play this game?
Being a complete opportunist.
Capitalize on EVERYTHING; the more hitconfirms you succeed with, the less you have to
get in your foe’s head, and less strain on yours!
so i was playing some online taskmaster guy and zoning the *** out of him with Dormammu as usual, then he shield skill’d a 1D2C (meteor shower or whatever its called) then taskmaster XF’d and did another shield skill and he went through 1D2C, oo. Still bodied him but that was cool
Did hell freeze over? Serp giving Taskmaster props?!?
I ran Spencer/Doom/Skrull in a tourney yesterday and got sent to losers by StaticAlpha (Viper/Doom/Strider)
In losers I ran Spencer/Task/Skrull cause my Task is cheaper and my Doom sucks/is too honest. Reset bracket 3-1 & won 3-1. He didn’t have an answer for Task/Skrull 8)
idk why but i just found out that deadpool can combo off his alpha counter without xfcing as long as he does teleport. and you can do that into the basic unscale combo for 1mil alpha counter that uses no bar
but ugh, his teleports don’t reset when he tags for some retarded reason
and my execution sucks nuts. i really wish i had good enough execution to play deadpool because i still think deadpool/nova/strider is fucking RIDICULOUS if you can meet that execution barrier
Which are the execution intensive elements of Deadpool that are difficult to handle?
The 3rd teleport always exploding.
being able to hit the unscale 100% of the time in all the scenarios possible. including the taunt unscales
i can hit unscales in canned situations and the canned situations apply to a lot of gameplay situations too, but not 100% of the time. more like 70% when i was practicing it hard.
the big thing is that you have to adjust and remember the different heights for certain chars, who all happen to be top/high tier. zero and mags in particular have a lot weirder ones (you have to hit zero much lower than usual and mags much higher), but in general it’s just the difficulty of getting the teleport->dash->launch exactly the same 100% of the time alongside getting the right height for the j.h bolo
in general they’re not -that- hard but it’s a matter of being able to perform them in the heat of the moment alongside consistently doing them
also this ties into my bad execution but you 100% absolutely need to plinkdash with him because his wavedashes suckkkkk
he cant wavedash backwards (he just does an in place wiggle) so you need to be able to plinkdash to be able to move around effectively