3rd Strike Frame Data


Crazy that shippu can hit pushboxes.
I wonder if that is common or uncommon.


I’ve only tested genei jin, shippu, corkscrew blow, and tanden renki. I know from experience that activation supers like tengu stone and denjin hit pushboxes. Tanden renki doesn’t seem to give makoto’s normals super priority though. I assume the general rule is that supers can hit pushboxes, with a few exceptions, like tanden renki and grab supers.



What do the colors on there mean? Are the green push, red hit and blue hurt? I couldn’t guess for the white ones.

It looks there like Ryu is getting hit on the ground which is strange for this scenario because you said you used EX uppercut and all situations where it was EX upper vs Shippu usually end up with the EX upper getting hit out of the ground.


You’re right about the red, green, and blue boxes. White is the throwable hitbox.

It’s definitely ex srk because all his other srks have hurtboxes. I’m pretty sure he’s grounded for the first few frames. I don’t know what frame he’s airborne on, but I remember hitting him out of the air when I was messing around with the move timings.


He becomes airborne at 5th frame.


on ESN’s site what would be an example of dash back (recovery cancelled)?


In MISC menu, you can click on the little blue/green/red icon to watch it in action.

‘Full animation’ means i did nothing and the end of animation is triggered by a parameter (in game core) going back to neutral value.
‘Recovery cancelled’, as soon i inputted the dash, i held up direction to cancel it.

IIRC, since then, Tebbo (i think?) has shown attacks may be able to cancel dashes sooner than jump.

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wow thats pretty cool…so jumps cancel dash recovery.thanks for such a speedy answer i appreciate it


Jumps or any attack/special/sa i think. Hence Makoto being able to karakusa after a hella short dash forward.


Is this a dynamic of the system that anyone on here consciously uses? If so, please explain how with some examples. Thanks!


Never knew things worked that way but I had been using something like this before. After a forward throw with Gouki against Yun, if you dash at him while he quickrises he gets 123 for free, but dash demon beats it. I just figured demon breaks lots of rules anyway so shrug


I think dashes also cancel dash recovery. If you watch good Oros you will see that it looks like they’re “chaining” the dashes.


my understanding of it has always been the exact opposite. ie. that you can cancel dash “recovery” with anything (jump, block, attack, etc) except another dash. i based this off the fact that makoto has to wait a noticeable amount of time between two consecutive dashes and esn’s chart shows that she has the longest “recovery” frames, so i put two and two together and ended up with this theory. could be wrong but this is how i’ve always interpreted whatever dash “recovery” is.


@ESN @telesniper

After parrying ibukis toward mk, why can yun punish it with lp lk mp TC only when she couch guards (has joystick in down back). if she stand guards, the TC will not punish her toward mk on parry.

I am aware you can select the recovery state of some special moves but this move is a normal move.

If you guys don’t know why this occurs that’s ok, just curious. Thanks


Yuuki- Very interesting…
Maybe the game treats towards forward more like a jump-in attack? I seem to recall that you can choose your recovery state on your airborne attacks.

Semi related can ESN, tele, etc also look into ibuki twd’s rh frame data. It is listed as -4 on block but testing in OE it seems to be completely safe as ibuki can block both mak’s sa1 and ken’s sa3.

Edit. Further testing on towards RH reversal gigas can grab it (holding up after executing move)
Yangs sa2 hits only if Ibuki tries to crouch block it similar to Yuuki’s example.

My guess is that when executing an “airborne” attack you have one less landing and/or recovery frame if you chose to stand block instead of cr block.


question…is there a way to determine hit advantage of special moves? i cant seem to find it on ESN’s site :frowning:


you can find that information at game restaurant.
to find the frame data for a character, select the character picture on the left table. once youve gone to the character page, click 一覧 on the far right of the header table.

under H&G硬直 you’ll see the advantage for moves that are guarded (G) moves that hit the opponent standing (立) and moves that hit the opponent crouching (屈)
the D in that information stands for “down” as in the move knockdown the opponent.

hope you find this helpful. @djdjw

let me know if you have any further questions on how to read the frame data or any part of the website.


tyvm sir :slight_smile: very helpful


demon 0 frame!



This was mainly a response to Hax, but this portion fits better here…

I assume you’re referring to the red damage on Chun’s life? Damage actually occurs one frame before your reel animation, meaning you need to, in effect, be blocking/parrying at least 2 frames before the move connects visually (5/6 realtime with the reported input lag). Honestly always wondered if that actually has something to do with the varied frame data reported, some being early by a frame and such… maybe they counted until the red? Or factored in how many frames you’d have to block it?

@ESN How did you measure start up again? Before the red? When the hit color showed? Would this mean that potentially start up could be accurately measured as 1 frame before the red, as on that next/current frame, it’s a “done deal”? Or another frame earlier?