@Shockdingo “I doubt it would do anything to the Darkstalkers. They’re all so above the strongest Street Fighter it’s insane” I’m sure that’s the case with the upper class ones like Jedah, Morrigan, Demetri, and Anakaris. But lower class ones like Felicia, Hsein-Ko, and Talbain, I doubt they’re that tough. I was hoping to hear from the OP to see what he thought. Maybe this might give him something to think about. But I appreciate your input.
In agreement with shockdingo. The Darkstalkers as far as I know (and my canon knowledge of Vampire is pretty limited) are pretty far beyond Street Fighters. Akuma would be in a tier that would probably not be totally outmatched by some of them, however. As far ast he one hit KO? No, it’s not regardless of strength AT ALL. It’s still a physical attack…and it isn’t perfect. Akuma continues to create new techniques to try to make even deadlier attacks…and some of them output WAY more damage like splitting Ayers Rock, etc. It certainly is not a OHKO or OHKill. Not guaranteed. Not by a long-shot.
@YagamiFire OK so the way you see it, the SGS is a very powerful physical attack, but if one is extremely powerful themselves such as the higher tier Darkstalkers then they can take the SGS. Ones “power level” does play a factor in withstanding the attack. Now answer this. How is the SGS able to one shot Dictator, and Gill? Sure they were able to revive themselves but they were still taken down by it. Or are they just not on the level of higher tier Darkstalkers?
The SGS can be tanked (probably impossible for anything human to do this since the SF fighters are still portrayed as relying on defense rather than developing superhuman durability) or, preferably, defended. That some Darkstalkers can tank it OR defend against it just speaks to their insane physical stats and durability.
As for your question? It’s kinda obvious. It didn’t.
Canonically, the SGS did not one shot Dictator or Gill. Dic being one-shot by it has always been of dubious canon-fact and has definitely since been retcon’d if it ever was to be taken as gospel, now having been nothing but a showing of “new villain stink” for Akuma before it was made clear that Akuma could not eclipse Dic as the premiere villain.
As for Gill…yeah that never happened. There’s no canon support for Gill ever having even MET Akuma, much less having received an SGS.
Where are you getting your facts from? Vasili and the plot guide? He’s a proven liar and the plot guide is, in turn, filled with his lies.
The plot guide had said Gill was struck down by Akuma’s SGS by surprise. But Akuma didn’t realise Gill ressurected himself. As for Dictator the plot guide says he survived by using a new body. Hence his appearance in SF4. When I say one shot, I don’t mean permanent death. I mean the character was defeated or rendered defenseless with one hit. I feel you have some really good theories, but I’m not gonna completely dismiss the plot that’s official by Capcom
That’s because the old canon was retconned and the old SF2 ending isn’t true in the SF4 continuity anymore. If you want to know how SF2 ended inside the SF4 continuity, have a look at this:
As already explained, that situation with Dictator was of fuzzy continuity and then fully dismissed. It was originally a retcon then was retcon’d away. Regarding Gill…that seems to be plot guide fabrication. It’s a game easter egg/in-joke with no other material support and I’ve never even seen anything to support Gill and Gouki ever meeting.
I’m sure Akuma display a super durability feat in his third strike ending where he withstands deep sea pressure . here’s the ending in question
Gouki is an outlier along with some of the other top tiers. However, I wouldn’t think too hard about the physics of Gouki being at the bottom of the ocean vs getting punched by a world warrior.
if you put a gun to Gouki’s head and pulled the trigger there’s nothing really to suggest that his BODY would just tank it…especially not like how someone like Victor or Jedah or Demitri would. Dodge it? Sure. Defend it with his fighting aura? Absolutely. But Superman-like bulletproofing? No.
Pressure at that depth is like getting shot by a bullet everywhere at once…but the physics of it was not in mind by the people that created that ending.
there’s also the SF4 rival battle with Ryu where Akuma talks about transcended your humanity . suggestion that he has transcended humanity the guy is always in Satsui no Hado he’s never out of it. if Akuma were to go up against Batman in hand to hand combat Akuma would murder Batman he would even need to use the Shun Goku Satsu. Batman would be at a severe disadvantage in fight against Akuma for the fact that Chi doesn’t exist in any of the DC Universes.
in fact I would say Batman would get his ass stomp by most of the SF cast in hand to hand combat ( without gadgets.) anime peak human is greater than comic book peak human. speaking of battle aura I say that Kenshiro could tank Shun Goku Satsu with his battle aura and yes Kenshiro has battle aura. battle aura is probably the reason for Akuma developing stronger attacks, because their might be fighters with battle aura in SF universe that can tank his Shun Goku Satsu ( theory).
Gouki vs Batman is a ludicrous comparison considering their two relative settings.
Also, Gouki’s view of himself is inherently flawed, especially as it applies to “transcending humanity”. His road ends at Oni. It’s a bad thing. Especially for a martial artist. His way is a failed one from the word Go.
As for the rest, it’s just Battle Board bleh.
the close comparison to the SF cast since you mention fighting aura is anime characters like Kenshiro in Hokuto no Ken or Iron Fist from marvel comics. now if someone in the Hokuto no Ken verse where to walk up to Kenshiro while he was sleeping and shot him in the head then probably would kill him. I don’t believe a normal joe in the SF verse could take Akuma out with gun if he was ready for it." I also believe that Akuma could curbstomp half the SF cast if he was serious with expectation top tiers like Oro.
I also don’t think real life should be compare with Street Fighter and that Street Fighter should be compare to other fictional sources that are similar to it.
@Sagatyru The fuck does Batman have to do with anything??? Why is he being compared to Akuma? No shit Akuma would wreck him. Try comparing Akuma to Superman, or Wonder Woman. Also anime peak human condition> comic book peak human condition. That’s because comics try to be a bit more believable. Unlike in say something like One Piece where dudes like Zoro and Sanji have the physique of the average man and were born with no abnormal abilities. Yet perform superhuman feats of strength, endurance, and durability somehow.
we’re past the Batman thing now . it’s Hokuto no Ken and it’s not a fight it’s a comparison, compare Street Fighter to Anime like Fist of the Hokuto no Ken . Hokuto No Ken is a good anime to compare Street fighter to cause Street fighter took stuff from it. Street fighter falls under the Supernatural Martial Arts just like Hokuto No Ken. Iron Fist is another comparable character because he uses Chi.
it might be possible that Street Fighter cast can augment their physical and mental capabilities to superhuman levels through Ki. the concept of Chi and Chi Augmentation fits well with Street fighter verse, because it can explain many of the things the characters are capable of. Street Fighter has Chi / Ki to back on to explain things the cast is capable of, unlike Zoro and Sanji who don’t even have that to explain the things they do.
@Sagatyru I just want an answer to why you mentioned Batman. Where not just gonna move pass that because, it was so…stupid and random! Also your derailing the hell out of this. The focus of this is to determine wether or not Akuma’s raging demon is a physical or super natural attack. I’m leaning towards very powerful physical attack.
it was the noticing of someone walking up to Gouki and killing with a gun which I find ridiculous. as for the SGS into is probably attack that utilizes Chi and to my knowledge most Chi attacks are mostly physically . now if it is a physical attack it’s possible that some one with a strong enough Chi Aura can living through the attack. it might explain why Gen and Gouken were able to survived the attack due to their strong Chi Auras.
There is no probably about the SGS using chi. It is a given. It is described as such directly with SnH (a form of chi) literally saturating Gouki’s cells when he uses the attack. The best info we have regarding the effects of the SGS come from a few things. In particular, we need to look at the animation presented in the Alpha series when Gen & Gouki face off, the animation in SF4 of Gouki attacking Gouken, and (something often overlooked) the concept art of Gouken for SF4 combined with the in-game design of Evil Ryu.
In the Alpha series we see Gouki physically attack Gen and Gen defends a series of blows. He takes his block animation and defends against the hits of the SGS. It’s primitive, of course, but it’s something.
In SF4, we see Gouki reach out to grab at Gouken and Gouken defends without even moving thanks to the power of Mu. Gouki literally can’t touch him in that state. This is actually incredibly similar to Hokuto No Ken when Kenshiro similarly achieves a Mu state against Raoh (Muso Tensei). It made Kenshiro entirely impervious to physical attack because when you are “nothing” you cannot be struck. You literally cannot hit nothing. This wasn’t countered until Raoh was also able to achieve Muso Tensei thereby allowing nothing to clash with nothing on an even plane. Later, Kaioh was able to use his demonic aura (which is…let’s face it, what SnH and psycho power are stolen from) to disrupt Muso Tensei’s state…until Ken perfected the technique.
Looking at these facts, reinforces the notion of SGS as a physical technique.
Now, the concept art is what I consider a great smoking gun. Check this out…
Now check out Ryu Final’s art…
And finally, Evil Ryu in SF4
Check out the recurring theme: a huge penetrating wound that has healed (or hasn’t yet in E. Ryu’s case…)
Gouken’s concept art is supposed to show him scarred after suffering the SGS.
Ryu Final’s art is of him after countering a strike from the SGS.
And Evil Ryu? Wellll…seems like he got hit with the SGS too, didn’t he? A nice, raw infusion of SGS through the attack. Boom. Evil Ryu. Conjecture, but based on quite a bit of support.
So are we to believe a haphazard attack from a bunch of demons all result in the same, recurring scars? No way. It is a martial arts technique that murders the opponent…most likely with a final strike through the heart chakra point of the chest. The concept art and other designs clearly support this. Ryu Final, a manga by someone that is pretty much a godfather of the SF themes and characters, would NOT depict a massively radical departure from what Capcom intended the SGS to be…they just wouldn’t. It would make so little sense and, especially nowadays, it seems totally the reverse where modern SF is being HEAVILY influenced by the quality of the mangas like Ryu Final.
I agree and I remember it being said that Gen uses Chi in all of his attacks even his normals.
Dude, great points, and holy crap, I’ve never seen that Gouken art, yikes, someone as strong as him could survive it, but look at the state he’s in, that thing must be horrific to witness and experience.
just read RYU FINAL its less words than OPs post and pictures! :3