A more complete explanation of the Shun Goku Satsu


#61

Hi Daemos! (No you never were crazy) I always read that logically (interpreted) as "once again we have a common wish for the future "

So it’s not that they share the same wish from the past, but that now they both have a same wish again, for example (and example only ) previously they both wished for total world peace . Now, once he is in her body, he (and so by now her as well by default) wish for world domination.

Honestly I think Capcom tweaked it so it’s not what we can properly branch off from her SFZ3 ending anymore.

The only way to do it is far fetched speculation like…guy carried rose -> Guy felt bison -> bison took over Guy because he actually was losing control of rose as well since he also couldn’t conquer her (fair since she couldn’t conquer him both times either)-> he had to run back to whatever place because in the game Guy’s run is pretty fast so he left Rose there ( and in his haste left some stuff behind in Rose) -> Rose wakes up -> gets recaptured -_- -> bison takes more back, plus extra soul power.

There. Now I feel dirty for this kind of speculation. I mean what the hell who’d speculate stuff like this and spread it around just cause it “fits” . I’ll go take a shower now.


#62

Well if go by SF4 and the New Canon™ which takes place months to a year after the events of SF2, then the possession of Rose was a separate and isolated event that is reminiscent of her SFA3 ending but is NOT her SFA3 ending.

If the events of SF2 or rather the events preceding SF4 are what was in Viper’s Aftermath video then no way Rose V Bison happened then. Rose herself references the possession that took place but as an event that happened “many years ago” and in the flashback it appears to be a 1v1 scenario between the two more similar to her SFA1/A2 endings.

Guy and Rose knew one another prior to SF4 but in the New Canon™ and as far as we know, Guy coming to her rescue after a confrontation with Bison happened for the first time in SF4. There is nothing to suggest anymore that Rose’s SFA3 ending happened as it is. What happened rather is that Ono recycled her SFA3 ending and turned it into two separate events - which are covered in Rose’s prologue and epilogue in SF4.


#63

As a Martial Artist I’ve studied many styles and forms. These ARE very deadly forms and take year’s to Master. Though idea’s such as fire ball’s in real life people disagree. They are fool’s. Only through year’s of training and meditation and treating your body like a Temple will one understand their own chi. The word Impossible says I’m Possible. Remember this.

If anyone would like to talk more look me up on FB Michael McCarter.

Keep an open mind. Its not all fun and Game’s. I’ve read all your Post’s and yet it refers back to Street Fighter. Well I’m here to state that these are Actual Deadly Move’s.

Blessings to you all.


#64

@MichaelMcCarter:

This year’s end --> Apostrophe since it’s the genitive.
The years go by --> No apostrophe since it’s plural.

Please learn the difference.


#65

I just have this question. Can the “raging demon” one hit KO any opponent regardless of their strength? Like we’ve seen it done to humans but what about Supernatural or Superpowered beings like higher class Darkstalkers such as Jedah Dohma and Morrigan, or Super beings like Superman or The Hulk? If it can then wouldn’t it be more than just a thousand well placed strikes? I think the move would have to be supernatural to one shot such characters.


#66

I doubt it would do anything to the Darkstalkers. They’re all so above the strongest Street Fighter it’s insane. As for Superman and the Hulk, we would have to adapt them into the SF universe or adapt Akuma into their comic universes. The Street fighters are incredibly durable and capable of superhuman feats, though with SGS it’s something that could probably do some serious damage/kill to someone like Captain America, but Hulk or Superman would shrug it off since it’s not actually magic and from the analysis in this thread, doesn’t literally take one to hell. Just my thoughts.


#67

@Shockdingo “I doubt it would do anything to the Darkstalkers. They’re all so above the strongest Street Fighter it’s insane” I’m sure that’s the case with the upper class ones like Jedah, Morrigan, Demetri, and Anakaris. But lower class ones like Felicia, Hsein-Ko, and Talbain, I doubt they’re that tough. I was hoping to hear from the OP to see what he thought. Maybe this might give him something to think about. But I appreciate your input.


#68

In agreement with shockdingo. The Darkstalkers as far as I know (and my canon knowledge of Vampire is pretty limited) are pretty far beyond Street Fighters. Akuma would be in a tier that would probably not be totally outmatched by some of them, however. As far ast he one hit KO? No, it’s not regardless of strength AT ALL. It’s still a physical attack…and it isn’t perfect. Akuma continues to create new techniques to try to make even deadlier attacks…and some of them output WAY more damage like splitting Ayers Rock, etc. It certainly is not a OHKO or OHKill. Not guaranteed. Not by a long-shot.


#69

@YagamiFire OK so the way you see it, the SGS is a very powerful physical attack, but if one is extremely powerful themselves such as the higher tier Darkstalkers then they can take the SGS. Ones “power level” does play a factor in withstanding the attack. Now answer this. How is the SGS able to one shot Dictator, and Gill? Sure they were able to revive themselves but they were still taken down by it. Or are they just not on the level of higher tier Darkstalkers?


#70

The SGS can be tanked (probably impossible for anything human to do this since the SF fighters are still portrayed as relying on defense rather than developing superhuman durability) or, preferably, defended. That some Darkstalkers can tank it OR defend against it just speaks to their insane physical stats and durability.

As for your question? It’s kinda obvious. It didn’t.

Canonically, the SGS did not one shot Dictator or Gill. Dic being one-shot by it has always been of dubious canon-fact and has definitely since been retcon’d if it ever was to be taken as gospel, now having been nothing but a showing of “new villain stink” for Akuma before it was made clear that Akuma could not eclipse Dic as the premiere villain.

As for Gill…yeah that never happened. There’s no canon support for Gill ever having even MET Akuma, much less having received an SGS.

Where are you getting your facts from? Vasili and the plot guide? He’s a proven liar and the plot guide is, in turn, filled with his lies.


#71

The plot guide had said Gill was struck down by Akuma’s SGS by surprise. But Akuma didn’t realise Gill ressurected himself. As for Dictator the plot guide says he survived by using a new body. Hence his appearance in SF4. When I say one shot, I don’t mean permanent death. I mean the character was defeated or rendered defenseless with one hit. I feel you have some really good theories, but I’m not gonna completely dismiss the plot that’s official by Capcom


#72

That’s because the old canon was retconned and the old SF2 ending isn’t true in the SF4 continuity anymore. If you want to know how SF2 ended inside the SF4 continuity, have a look at this:


#73

As already explained, that situation with Dictator was of fuzzy continuity and then fully dismissed. It was originally a retcon then was retcon’d away. Regarding Gill…that seems to be plot guide fabrication. It’s a game easter egg/in-joke with no other material support and I’ve never even seen anything to support Gill and Gouki ever meeting.


#74

I’m sure Akuma display a super durability feat in his third strike ending where he withstands deep sea pressure . here’s the ending in question


#75

Gouki is an outlier along with some of the other top tiers. However, I wouldn’t think too hard about the physics of Gouki being at the bottom of the ocean vs getting punched by a world warrior.

if you put a gun to Gouki’s head and pulled the trigger there’s nothing really to suggest that his BODY would just tank it…especially not like how someone like Victor or Jedah or Demitri would. Dodge it? Sure. Defend it with his fighting aura? Absolutely. But Superman-like bulletproofing? No.

Pressure at that depth is like getting shot by a bullet everywhere at once…but the physics of it was not in mind by the people that created that ending.


#76

there’s also the SF4 rival battle with Ryu where Akuma talks about transcended your humanity . suggestion that he has transcended humanity the guy is always in Satsui no Hado he’s never out of it. if Akuma were to go up against Batman in hand to hand combat Akuma would murder Batman he would even need to use the Shun Goku Satsu. Batman would be at a severe disadvantage in fight against Akuma for the fact that Chi doesn’t exist in any of the DC Universes.

in fact I would say Batman would get his ass stomp by most of the SF cast in hand to hand combat ( without gadgets.) anime peak human is greater than comic book peak human. speaking of battle aura I say that Kenshiro could tank Shun Goku Satsu with his battle aura and yes Kenshiro has battle aura. battle aura is probably the reason for Akuma developing stronger attacks, because their might be fighters with battle aura in SF universe that can tank his Shun Goku Satsu ( theory).


#77

Gouki vs Batman is a ludicrous comparison considering their two relative settings.

Also, Gouki’s view of himself is inherently flawed, especially as it applies to “transcending humanity”. His road ends at Oni. It’s a bad thing. Especially for a martial artist. His way is a failed one from the word Go.

As for the rest, it’s just Battle Board bleh.


#78

the close comparison to the SF cast since you mention fighting aura is anime characters like Kenshiro in Hokuto no Ken or Iron Fist from marvel comics. now if someone in the Hokuto no Ken verse where to walk up to Kenshiro while he was sleeping and shot him in the head then probably would kill him. I don’t believe a normal joe in the SF verse could take Akuma out with gun if he was ready for it." I also believe that Akuma could curbstomp half the SF cast if he was serious with expectation top tiers like Oro.

I also don’t think real life should be compare with Street Fighter and that Street Fighter should be compare to other fictional sources that are similar to it.


#79

@Sagatyru The fuck does Batman have to do with anything??? Why is he being compared to Akuma? No shit Akuma would wreck him. Try comparing Akuma to Superman, or Wonder Woman. Also anime peak human condition> comic book peak human condition. That’s because comics try to be a bit more believable. Unlike in say something like One Piece where dudes like Zoro and Sanji have the physique of the average man and were born with no abnormal abilities. Yet perform superhuman feats of strength, endurance, and durability somehow.


#80

we’re past the Batman thing now . it’s Hokuto no Ken and it’s not a fight it’s a comparison, compare Street Fighter to Anime like Fist of the Hokuto no Ken . Hokuto No Ken is a good anime to compare Street fighter to cause Street fighter took stuff from it. Street fighter falls under the Supernatural Martial Arts just like Hokuto No Ken. Iron Fist is another comparable character because he uses Chi.

it might be possible that Street Fighter cast can augment their physical and mental capabilities to superhuman levels through Ki. the concept of Chi and Chi Augmentation fits well with Street fighter verse, because it can explain many of the things the characters are capable of. Street Fighter has Chi / Ki to back on to explain things the cast is capable of, unlike Zoro and Sanji who don’t even have that to explain the things they do.