Adon Strategy and Match-up Thread

Okay. I’ll try to explain in my own words, then probably link a video or two after. Safe jumping is when your timing a jumping attack (on your opponents wakeup, off of a untechable knockdown) in such a way, that it’s impossible to punish you for doing do, hence “Safe-Jump”. The main advantage of safejumps is it allows you to create pressure/mix-up/mount an offense/ect. without fear of being punished for doing so. It basically forces your opponent to block your jumping attack because whatever reversal they try to do will get stuffed by your jumping attack. Backdashes and Reversals are ways to beat safe jumps, but option selects are able to take care of that. Coupled with OS’s (option selects) safejump’ing is pretty essential when playing most characters. Some characters (Characters with 3-frame reversals i.e. Shoto DP, EX TT, SPD, ect.) cannot be safejumped. Something to do with the in-ability to block during the landing frames of a jumping attack I believe. [media=youtube]8QbBqFgR-tE"]You can see Gamerbee utilize Safejumping AND OS’ing at 2:50 against Henry Cen at EVO. Very effective. [URL=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHYvipbrzqw”[/media]

Ahhhh Gotcha!
So does any jump normal work as a safe jump, or is it select ones?
Thanks for the help btw :]!

Well…I would say some work better than others because of priority and hitboxes…Like Ryu can safejump with j.fp and j.rh but j.rh is more widely used in most situations because of it’s better hitbox and (I’m assuming) better priority. I guess you could safe jump with most jumping normals (You can also use j.short and j.MK crossup) but I guess it would be silly to use J.jab or something when you could use J.RH which has a way better hitbox/priority, also it puts them in more hitstun/blockstun so it allows for bigger combos/easier hitconfirming

Basically any move with a good amount of active frames is preferable. So if you jump in on a ryu while hes down lets say. his fastest anti-air move would be lp shoryuken 3 frames. So what you want to do is get your attack to still be active from between the time he gets up, and 3 frames.

what you guys take on the fei long match i just played my brother and most of his pokes would beat mine, cr. forward is nightmare

pretty big chun-li tip:

You can cleanly beat chuns command cross up with close standing HK. Go into training mode to practice it. As soon as you see chun do her flip over you, just press HK. Big chance you will hit and you might trade sometimes.

I think its a pretty big dent in chuns mix up game.

Awesome, I hate that move, I usually just block it but knowing how to punish is win :smiley:

add a little more reach to c.mk Capcom xD

reason #whatever IA Jaguar kicks are awesome

  • Baiting Abels ultra 1 with lk IAJK

did not think it was gonna work.

Imo though, good chun-li’s use the flip kick sparingly =/ Nontheless it’s a great find :tup:!

Anyone have anything Gen? His jump arc changes depending on what stance he is in and its screws with me. Also his EX “DP”(The diagonal move that does multiple kicks) Has like 100% invincibility so its hard as fuck to play cross up game.

Anything against Cammy as well? I’ve been relying on playing footsies against them but their s.RH is ridic .__.

For Gen, I’m thinking stand fierce should work well against is low jump arc, as well as stand mk and even cr.fierce. And when it comes to his DP, you should be able to beat it out if you delay your crossup/jumpin since it doesn’t go very far vertically and becomes fully punishable after the 4th frame, you’ll probably end up resetting him though since his DP takes him off the ground. If your crossing up, you can probably dash under and mix-up

Juri: Ultra 2 beats her dive kick on reaction every time, as does ex RJ

I’ve read around on these forums that it is impossible to safe jump shoryuken characters cause of their 3 frame shoryukens? Did I misinterpret something wrong? I’d like to learn how to safe jump but don’t know where to start, :xeye:

You didn’t misinterpret anything wrong. The thing with Ryu’s LP/HP SRK is that it only have 2 frames of invincibility so you got 1 frame to knock him out of it. It’s basically a 1 frame link which you shouldn’t rely on. AND any Ryu player that is worth a damn is going to use MP SRK which will beat any kind of true safe jump. It’ll lose to pseudo safe jumps (Dictator’s forward throw, J.hp) though.

oh my god. light kick IAJK is the best ultra bait.

What I dont understand is when I am watching videos of adons versus shottos (gamerbee vs gameinn for example) is that you dont see them throw out the shoryu that much. But when I play my friends its bam shoryu… am I just spacing it wrong ?

That’s the difference between a pro and a scrub. Pro players will assess the risk/reward of the situation before throwing out a wake up SRK while scrubs will throw it out no matter what. When playing those kind of players you have to bait out SRK and punish accordingly.

If you watch Gamerbee vs Gameinn videos uploaded by 0xkeNzo (he does it in a few of it but I can’t find the exact one), you see that Daigo do do wake up SRK when Gamerbee jumps in after an untechable knock down. Gamerbee knows this so he would bait the SRK out by doing an air HK JK. The one I saw was forward throw, dash up, jump foward then air HK JK to cross up making the SRK whiff and then punishing. Rewatch those Gamerbee Vs Gameinn vids and note how Gamerbee pressures Daigo after a knock down.

It was always noted that you could not safe jump shotto characters and Adon has nothing in his arsenal to make him an exception. The best thing you could do is what is mentioned above, to bait the SRK with something like a jump over to HK AJK. But you can safe jump a character with an SRK that’s 3 frames.

Why does Adon’s normals make counter poking so easy? I hit c.fp~super on monday like 5 times lol

mm… a noob question but, how do you deal with El Fuerte Tortillas on wake ups??

if i try to dash forward, i get caught. Neutral jump maybe? you can eat a Tostada Press if you guess wrong though…

i hate El Fuerte :confused:

BTW, he can Guacamole Adons Jaguar Kicks :frowning:

fucking hating the guile match up right now. so retarded that you can’t even jump over a fucking sonic boom without risking like 3 or 4 different damaging attacks.

fucking hate all the guile buffs in super.