Beginner match analysis / gameplay critique thread


#381

Hey guys, I just recently started playing USF4, i dont play since vanila, so i`m playing so bad hehe

So, this is a video that i won, then i will put a video that i lose
I choose this video because i think we are in the same level

Please give me feedback, i think that i need to get better a lot yet
I`m the ROSE

Edit:

I write my name in youtube and a found a video that i`m losing hahaha

In the both i`m rose


#382

@thiagoeis

This is an L but this is how Vega vs Chun should go. Patience. As mentioned, mp button is Vega’s best friend. Love it and use it.


#383

Well, for starters, I think you should learn how to block better. In the Sakura video, you kept walking into or jumping into a lot of damage that could have easily been prevented. Hold your ground… in Street Fighter, jumping is normally a last resort.

As with Vega and the the other guy above, your characters has good pokes and good tools. Make the most out of them. You have a good c. mp and s. hk.

Don’t just throw Soul Spiral out there (same for Soul Spark). Combo into them, or at least have a good reason for doing what you are doing.

As mentioned in the above posts, footsies is one of the most important aspects of getting anywhere in SF. Learn them and love them: http://sonichurricane.com/?page_id=1702

You can use Rose’s slide (down/forward+ mk) for moving around more, but don’t abuse it. Long story short, learn how to block, be patient and don’t jump in right away, don’t just throw stuff out there, learn a few basic combos.


#384

Thanks! Going to try that in my matches.


#385

Hi everyone, first poster here. I just recently started playing with basically no experience with fighting games at all. I’ve watched a few videos and i’m trying to work on my basics and fundamentals but would love some feedback on what i’m doing right and what i’m doing wrong. I’m starting out with Ryu as was suggested by multiple people and want to try to improve my use of him, plus i tried guile and did not get the hang of him at all after playing around in training for about an hour. I know my play is not great but a place to start working on improving myself would be a big help.

Victory Replay

Loss Replay


#386

[quote=“Fattness, post:385, topic:150977”]

Hi everyone, first poster here. I just recently started playing with basically no experience with fighting games at all. I’ve watched a few videos and i’m trying to work on my basics and fundamentals but would love some feedback on what i’m doing right and what i’m doing wrong. I’m starting out with Ryu as was suggested by multiple people and want to try to improve my use of him, plus i tried guile and did not get the hang of him at all after playing around in training for about an hour. I know my play is not great but a place to start working on improving myself would be a big help.

Victory Replay

Loss Replay

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Your videos are private, I can’t watch them.


#387

Sorry, should be fixed now.


#388

Hi, I’m also a first time poster. I’ve played sf4, started right when it moved to Steam on pc in ae2012 and now playing ultra. I used to play Chun Li in sf2 ce, so I’ve been playing her in sf4 in ranked matches. I’ve tried ryu online but it pretty much killed my spirit and points after so many lost matches, that I’ve been only playing with Chun. People online are ridiculously good, it seems. I have about a 40% win rate that never seems to go anywhere within 1% of that.

I captured these with a snagit that only does lower framerate mp4’s…I think you can get the gist though?

Here is a match that I won pretty fairly against a dude who was probably better than me. This person like hunted me down after like 5 times, kept changing their screen name so I wouldn’t kick them, playing mad cheap to get the points back.

I’ve searched here researching the viewpoint on cheapness, and it seems that with teching, etc that there is no cheapness in sf4. I try not to play a certain way, generally involving how I do throws, but I have started resorting to similar once that door is opened.

and this poor Makoto, I feel bad about. I am a monster in the 3rd round. I suppose the catch is that I don’t learn as much to play that way, probably not the best way to make friends?

Any thoughts / comments are welcome.


#389

[quote=“Fattness, post:385, topic:150977”]

Hi everyone, first poster here. I just recently started playing with basically no experience with fighting games at all. I’ve watched a few videos and i’m trying to work on my basics and fundamentals but would love some feedback on what i’m doing right and what i’m doing wrong. I’m starting out with Ryu as was suggested by multiple people and want to try to improve my use of him, plus i tried guile and did not get the hang of him at all after playing around in training for about an hour. I know my play is not great but a place to start working on improving myself would be a big help.

Victory Replay

Loss Replay

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I’m a beginner myself but I’ll try to give atleast some critique.

I noticed you threw out several fireballs when they could easily jump over them and hit you. That’s very unsafe of you and I suggest you try to learn the range where they can’t jump over your fireballs and hit you. I also don’t think I saw any anti-airs. Sometimes you saw them jump you jumped up yourself and did a hard kick. This worked a couple of times but I still suggest you get comfortable with anti-airing. mp dp, cr.hp are your best anti-airing tools. Especially in that second Akuma match, you went for a grab on their wake up like every time. If you do it that often, people are gonna catch on and do a reversal or something. I suggest learning some crossups or mixing it up with forwards mk which is an overhead (again, I’m a beginner ryu aswell. Your jumping mk or lk can crossup and you can also crossup with an air tatsu. You jumped quite a lot, not too much but quite a lot still. You didn’t get punished a lot, but better opponents will punish this. I also feel like as you learn to anti-air and when you improve your zoning-game you won’t feel like you have to jump as often.

Again, I’m still a noob and there are surely other people who can give you a lot better criticism. I just don’t want this thread to overflow with beginner replays while no ones receives any tips.


#390

@‌ Fatness

You were getting a lot of mileage out of low Roundhouse and forward jumping Roundhouse. I would suggest not using these buttons in the manner you were using them, at least not nearly as often as you were. Low Roundhouse is -14 on block, so if your opponent begins to notice you throw it out a lot they will bait it and punish you for using it. Low Roundhouse is much better when combo’d into, I like to use: cr. lk, cr. lp, cr. mp, cr. hk, as well as cr. mp, cr. mp, cr, hk and cr. lp, cr. lp, st. lp, cr. hk for combo’ing into low Roundhouse. As far as jump Roundhouse goes, it can be a useful tool to meet your opponent in the air (especially Akuma as a matter of fact), but it would be more beneficial to learn to stay grounded and develop a strong anti-air game, learn to reactionarily use low Fierce, or standing Roundhouse when your opponent jumps at you. Over time (and more practice) learn to use Strong Shroyuken to anti-air as well. Ryu has a lot of anti-airs that can be used in a lot of situations, but focus on low Fierce and stand Roundhouse at first, those two can take you a long way. The last thing I would point out is to use low Forward more, during the set there were a lot times where low Forward would have been much safer and more optimal than low Roundhouse was. Learn to cancel an Hadoken off of low Forward, with a strong anti-air game and representation of low Forward xx Hadoken you can get a ton of success by staying safely grounded.


#391

I’d like some feedback on my shitty ryu. I have three matches here. One with Guy where I played even worse because I was salty. I was happy to get the lp dp -> ultra 1 setup though. The Sakura I played I’ve played quite a lot with. He’s better than me with Sakura, and that’s not even his main. I picked one match where I beat him and one where he beat me easily.


#392

No such thing as cheap. If it works, it works. If you mean the throws, the burden is on the opponent to not get grabbed, or to break the throw, or stay outside of grab range and punish any attempts.

I only watched the first two vids, but here’s what I saw so far. I’ll watch the others later.

Ease up on the jumping. Ease up on mashing lightning kick as well… it works very differently in SF4 compared to SF2. They work now, but when you face better opponents, they will punish the two points I listed pretty hard.

Against Honda, you want to keep him out as much as possible, so he can’t start his hundred hands/buttslam/command grab pressure. Fireballs and good poke/antiair use often do the trick.

As a Chun main, I also invite you to check out the Chun-Li forums for SF4:
http://forums.shoryuken.com/categories/29

As well as post in the video thread, since I post there and it’s fairly active too:

I’ll try and get back to the other vids later and see what I can add.


#393

Thanks for the post, man. I’ve been lurking in the chun forums, but I do feel like my play is more fit for the noob forum for now. Like I barely remember to use ultras, and my damage is pretty bad, like not doing combos really. I’m kind of playing champion edition?

I try to jump, like, when I can, as like a challenge, or bait, but yeah, it’s not as safe as I think it will be sometimes, and sometimes I just do the dumbest stuff. I have a few things that I change it up with like instant overhead over them and throw or tech works a lot of times. I try to work crossup/non crossup jump lk to jabs or throw. I find a few random jump lk’s - they’re hard to aa - will make it easier to do jump in target combo, less likely to punish. I also mix it up with empty jumps a lot, and I 've always had a bit of a trick where I do jump lk (mk in sf2) early and recover in the air; you can land like you empty jumped and block or throw. Yeah, I really need to stop desperately jumping in, though. I get punished pretty good for it at the end of this one which I lose. -I should have thrown from the empty jump at the end of the 1st round.

I guess I jump when I think I can, but i hear you that is less and less as opponents’ skill goes up.

Here’s another loss, this one against my friend who plays a pretty godlike Chun. He was at about 19,000bp before ultra dropped, and I’ve never beat him more than a round. He’s going easy on me here I think.

And this one that I shouldn’t have lost, got all charitable at the end there not punishing that dp or something. Also kept hsu’ing in, like right off, when I shouldn’t have.


#394

Chun is terrible in CE too… if you want to use her in SF2 I really recommend Hyper Fighting/Turbo and ST/HDR lol


#395

I hear you. :slight_smile: i play on the arcade legends machine here at my work. It’s only got world warrior and champion edition.

I was never too into her half circle fireball in turbo. Her charge “bubble ball” in super was better, but something about that game bothered me, like they made the characters smaller, and the sound effects are different(?) It felt more ‘nerfy’ somehow.

There is one guy here that I can’t beat his ryu for the life of me, he zones the shit out of me and I just can’t get in without a projectile. There’s another dude that can beat me with his gief, just trading everything for spd’s. I can take both of them out with my Vega, but I’m still best overall with Chun.

I’ll keep practicing and post in the chun forum video discussion sometime soon.


#396

Haven’t played Ultra in a month, but will go back to it soon (closest I can do right now is player Super Street Fighter 4 on 3DS, but its not the same). Rcycling an old video I had from back. Play as Balrog, Juri, & Vega (considering to drop him though for someone else, and come back to him another time) mostly, and am pretty bad with all 3 of my mains.

Things I’m aware of:

  • I never do any impressive links or combos, not even Buffalo Head into Rog’s U1
  • Against the characters I faced, I do not know the matchups against them very well (especially Decapre)
  • I press too many buttons
  • Jump too much
  • Don’t anti air
  • I can be pretty damn impatient when facing turtle characters and and always try to get in fast, especially ones with fireballs.
  • Sometimes I just throw out raw moves and rely on them for approaches (such as Rog’s EX Rush Punches) rather than my normals

Any help would be appreciated. I know suck with these guys, but I wanna stick with em


#397

it’s the newbie dojo, moving


#398

Here is a vid of a recent Rose match. I lose pretty bad to Rose and its getting to the point I will not get to my PP rank goals because I lose so much to her.

Her specials, especially EX give me trouble at footsie range. I can out zone her, but once she starts jumping in I have a hard time AAing her because of her jump arc and her shamwow priority.

On wakeup she a lot of options to beat BK vortex. What I think I will start doing is LK BK right on top of her to beat her air throw and ex shamwow. (spiral is shamwow right?)

I found neutral jump to bait a lot of her stuff useful. In this linked vid I was doing neutral jump HK which make me face the opposite way which makes it hard to punish her whiffs.

If a mod wants to move this post that is fine, too, I looked for the replay thread and couldn’t find it.


#399

Can Anyone Critique my Hakan Gameplay?


#400

Since you’re ranked #34, it seems there’d be only 33 people qualified to do so. :slight_smile:
Seems you’d get better feedback in the character discussion section than with the noobs.