Bringing Sexy Back - Nemesis Discussion Thread (Pg.18 and beyond)

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#2228

it’s launcher+drones, but different than what you describe, I think that’s some different tech.

basically, I’ve gotten myself into the habit of calling drones whenever I use s.S. the drones will catch them after an air series (even in the corner, although the timing is slightly tighter). It increases his damage by anywhere between 50K to 150k across the board, and makes empty s.S’s ALOT scarier for the opponent to get hit by, especially since the drones can set up for a clothesline reset post-launch, or if you already used a wallbounce, the drones work as a reset-maker as well.

ANYWHERE BNB

1. j.:h:, *:m::h:, :qcf::l:xx dash xx :h:, :dp::m:* :s:(CALL DRONES AT THE SAME TIME), j.:m:j.:m:j.:h:j.:s: xx land (opponent will hit drones. ideally, will hit all 3, but only 2 can still work), j.:h:j.:s:, BWA- 799K **
if in the corner, omit the j
.:h: when the drones catches then, you will only have time for a j.:s: before they tech out. Does 792k in the corner. for Team BigBoy, if Hulk has Gamma-Wave assist, you can easily push this over 800K. calling it right before BWA nets approx. **815k, **but for those with good execution, and if your positioning is less than 1/2 stage away, you can call Gamma wave assist RIGHT AFTER THE j.:h:j.:s: post-drones (the timing is, 1-2-3). Gamma wave will OTG, and you can use RL Slam H into BWA and does around 830K.

Nemesis’s best solo, 1 meter, works anywhere bnb does 773K tops without Sentinel/Hulk, and requires a RL slam M early in the combo, making it a sub-par hit-confirm. The Sent-relaunch also does more damage pre-hyper (668K) making it better for meterless kills.

POST-TENTACLE SLAM

**2. **(Tentacle-slam), cr.:m:, s.:h:, :qcf::l:xx dash xx :h:,:s:(CALL DRONES AT THE SAME TIME) j.:m:j.:m:j.:h:j.:s: xx land (opponent will hit drones. ideally, will hit all 3, but only 2 can still work), j.:s:, BWA- 665k
it also has a variant with the clothesline POST-LAUNCH, which can be trickier to use, but give nemesis access to the clothesline reset after more damage has been done, allowing more TODs.
**3. **(Tentacle-slam):s:(CALL DRONES AT THE SAME TIME) j.:m:j.:m:j.:h:j.:s: xx land (opponent will hit drones. ideally, will hit all 3, but only 2 can still work), :qcf::l:xx dash xx :s: j.:m:j.:m:j.:h:j.:s: BWA- **661k **(467k if you decide to go for the clothesline reset)
timing on the clothesline post-launch can be tricky, so go for the previous combo if you can kill w/o a reset

Nemesis’s best damage without Sentinel is 637k, and he doesn’t have good of a damage/reset ratio compared to these combos.

RAW LAUNCHER
4. :s:(CALL DRONES AT THE SAME TIME) (j.:m:j.:m:j.:h:)} Delay these as much as you can, if done properly, it will hit the drones (adding the j.S takes too long, and messes up the drone timing)xx landxx :qcf::l:xx dash xx :dp::m:, :s:, j.:m:j.:m:j.:h: j.:s: xxlandxx BWA- 728k
yes, off a bare launcher, that does damage comparable to Nemesis’s standard BnBs, comfortably breaking the 700K range. without Sentinel, the best Nemesis can do is 617K off an empty lawn-chair. This is great for Nemesis’s footsies, since s.S has a great hitbox and godlike range. as with his regular BnB, he can tack on Hulk assist near the corner to add a little extra damage, pushing it to **734K **in the corner. not too shabby eh?

so yeah, that’s the power of the Drones-Relaunch.

thoughts?


#2229

Yeah, drones win when it comes to assists, especially for command grabbers. My thoughts are anyone but Sent could be replaced on team bigboy, but I’m thinking, despite all the established synergy, Thor would best replace Hulk. Having just tried out random Thor approaches and grab setups against a few friends, WOW, Thor + Drones destroys everything. You’ve got a nice DHC from Nemesis into Mighty Tornado/Hurricane/Whatever, and you can probly find a nice time to fool someone making a nemesis hyper safe with a command throw hyper. The mighty smash assist might even have some undiscovered tech with Nem waiting, otherwise you’ve got a beam assist. I prefer Hulk, but that sounds like the most fun spot for Thor.

I like them. I don’t run Nem with drones, but people give me more and more of a reason to. I like the long clothesline reset after a tentacle slam, and there’s probably more than a few variants that don’t come after a command throw, because usually Nem just needs a single reset (looking at that list again, I already see a few). Fun stuff.


#2230

@macarratti ill definitely try those drone combos out when i have a chance. i think with the slight damage increase i can break 1mil with hulk dhc instead of being at that 990k ish mark. is it harder in corner or easier? the anywhere bnb


#2231

I’d say it’s easier to do midscreen, but the difficulty gap is slim.

The difference between “midscreen” and “corner” is that midscreen will hit 2 or 3 drones (therefore allowing both j.H and j.S to hit, since a drone will hit between the two. wait too long between the two, and they’ll tech, since the HSD gets pretty high) while the corner usually hits 1. Both allow enough time to act, but the midscreen has more of a “spectrum” of success and failure (usually it will land fine, but there occasional hiccups, where you need to skip straight to j.S, or the drones are off and tech early. it’s rare though once you get the timing down) while the corner is either A. you got it or B. you didnt. that’s why I see corner as slightly harder.

but like i said, the difference is actually pretty small, and those hiccups are not very common once you’ve fiddled with the combo for a while.

also, general tip, for calling the sent assist, dont press launcher and then press assist really quick, just press both buttons at once. less timing/fingerwork to worry about, and it will clean up your muscle memory for the drone relaunches.


#2232

I found quite a few of them. Damn, I really like how your team moves around. It seems like whatever order you’re in, whoever’s first has excellent support. I especially liked the Dormy crossup with frank assist, and the combo you did instead of the DR relaunch, you went into heavy then clothesline, I believe, and went for a reset against Hulk. Curious, if you put a launcher in there instead of a reset, would they drop out of a MMHS in the air? because if not, that sounds like a fun nearly corner-to-corner.


#2233

maaaaaaan, I have come to the conclusion that I do NOT know how to deal with fights against teams rocking Hidden missile assist

That assist just fucks me up, no matter who I use


#2234

Trying it just now because I happened to be in Training Mode, doing a Launcher -> Air Series -> Deadly Reach -> H -> Clocket L -> relaunch -> MMHS works. I think I went for the reset because Hulk has a LOT of health, though. :c
Thanks for the compliments though! I’ve been playing this team a lot, so I’ve had a lot of time to figure out the synergy between each order and each pairing and such. The order I have the most trouble with is Dorm/Nemmy/Frank though, only because Chaotic Flame full screen makes me have to time BWA really specifically in order to connect.


#2235

Sweet. I’mma check right now if that combo works from more than a raw launcher. Why I ask is that if I land someone in the corner, I can actually reset from there by jumping back and calling the X-23 assist, having her hit them up into an angled DR, then reset into pain. A modified DR reset, because her otg pickup has a lot of different properties than Wesker’s. Thing is I’m only comfortable doing the reset in the corner, because it’s quite finicky. I sometimes do a neutral jump instead of a backwards jump depending on my positioning or my hitstun. It’s all new tech for me, but it seems to catch forward and backward techs on all but tiny characters (where things get wonky), and on large characters (Haggar or higher) it gets all techs, if I time it right. So, if I have something that pushes to the corner reliably, AWESOME. And I’ll check to see if the hitstun allows for the reset, and what my timing’s gotta be. And from a grab in the corner I have a different setup for the same reset, and that might make Nem using meter a thing of the past, which is nice for X-23’s level 3.

I was planning on checking this earlier today, but I got distracted trying to remake my Haggar team (Haggar, Ryu/Skrull, Chris/Cap/Strange is my current incarnation. I’m so indecisive.)

And I thought you seemed pretty comfortable with Dormy in front. The crossup with the cart made the teleport way safer than it normally is. I normally approach by other ways exactly for that reason. Also, can Nem’s rocket bring incoming to the ground for a quick tri-dash? I recently decided to make tech for my bro’s team (X-23, Dorm, Wesker), and aside from a really fun 800k-ish X-23 combo, the notable thing I found is that crescent scythe on incoming forces them to the ground just in time for tri-dashes which kind-of make blocking obsolete. Wondering if a well-timed launcher can make it a bitch to up-back as well.


#2236

To be perfectly honest, I’m not used to using Nemesis with an OTG assist at all, so I don’t really know anything about the resets involving. As seen in the tournament matches any resets I happen to do mostly come off of Wall/Ground Bounces, just because I’m more comfortable with the spacing that way and it gives more time to confirm where the opponent is jumping. But the plan with X-23 sounds pretty solid. Though if you could report details about the combo working off of more than raw launcher, it would be very cool. I always mean to check but I forget, and then I randomly drop combos in the middle of an air series. :confused:

As for rockets and Tri-dashing, I think the Rocket Launcher will float the enemy for a bit, but I’m not 100% sure on that. On incoming characters I personally go for the Assist -> Teleport thing. A plus side of this is that as soon as the enemy lands you can go for the throw and some really good damage.

This brings up another thing, though - I think I’ve seen it posted before, but has anyone realized the stuff you can do on incoming characters with an assist and Tentacle Slam L? Something I’ve been playing around with is with Nemesis on point, as a character is coming in call Dark Hole assist. It holds them in the air for a bit, and as soon as the attack ends use Tentacle Slam L. If you time it right the opponent will land, negating all of their blockstun, and landing right into the command grab. I’ve heard somewhere that jumping takes 3 frames, so if you are somehow godlike at timing frames, you could theoretically time it so that the first 4 frames of Tentacle Slam L are happening during the opponent’s drop. I’ve personally been trying to find a really strong way to abuse the whole Jump = 3 frames thing with Nemesis, but it’s pretty hard. ._.


#2237

in the corner with sentinel you can do…

:hcb::atk:, :h::s: w/ (sentinel assist a,) j.:h:, j.:qcf::s:, j.:qcf::s:, :qcf::l:, :h::s:, j.:h:, j.:s:, :qcf::atk::atk: for 746,600 damage for one hyper or 954,100 damage with a DHC into sentinels :qcf::atk::atk: (plasma storm,) fully mashed.


#2238

both jumping and super jumping have three pre-jump frames, both become airborne on the fourth frame.

EDIT - for those that care…nemesis has the option to land either standing or crouching :h: after a command grab, this allows for much better damage scaling at the small cost of slightly less meter gain.


#2239

I for the life of me cannot recreate this combo in the lab

I can do it if there second j.:qcf::s: is omitted (no idea how that fucker goes in there), but the damage doesnt go past 714K :confused: so obviously I’m missing something. that 746K off a command throw sounds sexy, so I want to be able to do that!


#2240

Not certain if this is the right thread for it, but any thoughts on how to deal with Spider-Man rush down? I played someone at a local event last night and got blown the hell up. Webzips and mix ups all day and WUGH

I roll with Nem/Deadpool (OTG)/Doom (Beam)


#2241

you do the second j.:s: as youre falling back down to your opponent…it hits then the very last drone should hit when you land with just enough time to do the :qcf::l:.


#2242

not enough Spider-Men around to say i know the matchup, but when i see him online i usually just try to zone with Air Deadly Reach since most of them just upback into ball or zip > pressure. if i think i’m close enough, Tentacle Slam M or raw launcher right when he balls or zips. i feel like i’ve used s.H’s armor to power through the zip spam, but i could be imagining things. the few good Spideys i’ve seen online were really good so i was xf’ing on touch anyway.


#2243

What can one put before a “Launcher -> Air Series -> Deadly Reach -> H -> Clocket L -> relaunch -> MMHS”

Well, here’s what I got.

On Large hitbox characters (Nemesis was used for this. He falls out of the air DR occasionally because he falls faster, so timing needs to be precise, but I thought if it worked on him, it’ll work on all large folk, for that very reason):
Immediately preceding the launcher
Air H WORKS
Air H, cr. M WORKS
Air H, cr. LMH WORKS
Air H, cr. MH, DP+M DOESN’T WORK, falls out during the second M of the final MMHS
Air M, Air S WORKS, but the timing is very specific on the DR into standing heavy
Air M, Air S, cr. M WORKS, and the timing is easier, use this one for an Air M starter

Air M, Air S, cr. LMH DOESN’T WORK, flips out after the first M in the final MMHS, and the timing sucks to get even that far
Air M, Air M, Air S DOESN’T WORK, first M, final air series
Air M, Air M, Air S, cr. M DOESN’T WORK, first M, final air series
Command Throw, standing M, WORKS, damage is 628 after a hyper
Command Throw, cr. MH, DOESN’T WORK, they flip out after the last H in the last air series, which means a MHS as the last air series would work here (it does, I checked)

Lvl 3 Hyper, then otg into Launcher, WORKS
Lvl 3 Hyper, otg into DP+M, Launcher, DOESN’T WORK, flip out after the first M in the air series

After that I got bored and messed around with lvl2 X-Factor X-23 stuff, and found a fun throw reset in the corner, and how to reliably do 1.1 mill without meter, without abusing the infinites. I assume I can do more, but I doubt I need it. I’ll check for mid-sized and small hitboxes later. I’mma use Akuma and Rocket.


#2244

Fucking Capcom not showing me the hitboxes of Nemesis’ moves.

Anyway, after I do a Nemesis combo that ends with Rockets that put them in the corner, I’ll DHC to Vergil Swords after the stomp, and do two lunar phases (which usually kills them at this point) while charging a Round Trip. I’ll let the RT go and then tag in Nemesis for a mixup. Still trying to find ways to make this shit better. Anybody got any ideas?


#2245

Thanks to that H>rocket stuff, I increased the damage of my bnb’s. I even made a 902k combo with drones, but it’s kinda impractical, 'cause clocket H is needed.
I recorded that, if you guys want to see, I’ll upload the video when I come back from work.

EDIT: [media=youtube]EHrMsqHjDM4[/media]

If I can’t post videos here, somebody please, let me know, and I’ll edit this post (:


#2246

Wow. You are my new hero.

I’m hitting the lab right now to work with Team BigBoi. See ya.


#2247

My brother was interested in picking up Nemesis. Right now he’s running Nemeis/Taskmaster/Wesker. I was wondering if there were any combos or resets that Nemesis has that involves Taskmaster’s & Wesker’s assist. Also, what are some incoming mixups with Nemesis?