All of Dhalsim’s extended limbs have shit as priority, but they still own you from a distance the same way. Guile’s cr.forward is similar, if used in a similar fashion. It is a losing strategy to go for trades with longer range moves, even for boxer, I would say.
Dhalsim is more of an extreme case and his priority isn’t really that bad for his good pokes (at least in comparison to Guile). I actually go for trades as Zangief vs. Dhalsim and Vega because at some point they get stuffed by sweep or you trade heavily in your favor. Even if I only successfully stuff it like 1/3 times, it more or less breaks even damage wise and I get a knockdown.
Imo you have to go for trades or you just give them free reign to poke from far away all day. At the very least you should make them weary of counterpokes.
I want to talk about an alternate use of Cammy’s back-fist move that many players are unfamiliar with. The properties of this move are extremely complicated. Therefore, I’ll only talk about the applications of this move in the Ryu match-up. The move works differently against all characters. I just performed this experiment on an ST emulator (on my computer) but it should work on HDR as well.
Here’s a little experiment for everyone to try: go to training mode and pick Ryu and Cammy. Throw Ryu with Cammy’s fierce throw and then immediately do the jab back-fist move. If you hit the other opponent, you’re doing the back-fist too late. If you performed the back-fist as soon as possible, the move will barely whiff your opponent body while waking up. After your back-fist whiffs, attempt to throw your opponent. Most likely your throw will whiff, and you’ll get a poke like standing fierce instead. At that range, you’re also in the perfect range to perform a cross-up.
Now try that experiment with the fierce back-fist. Immediately after the fierce back-fist whiffs, wait a split second and then try to throw them. You will be in range, and your throw will connect.
So why do i consider that mix-up good? What are some applications of that mixup?
First off, using the back-fist move is a lot easier than manually walking inside/outside Cammy’s throw range. Since it’s so easy, you’ll rarely ever mess up.
Secondly, and IMO more importantly, **this mix-up is much more ambiguous **than simply walking inside/outside Cammy’s throw range because the move has unique properties. As Cammy’s character is performing the jab/fierce backfist, her front leg extends further forward; As the move is ending, her front leg retracts backward. When you’re performing the jab/fierce backfist, it always looks like you’re closer to the opponent than you really are. It’s not until much later -when the backfist has completely recovered- that your opponent can determine weather you performed the jab or fierce version of the move.
Whenever I feel my opponent is going to try to tech throws, I perform the jab version of the back-fist. Immediately afterwards I usually will combo crouching medium kick into a cannon drill. If I think my opponent will try to reversal me (say Ryu’s dragon punch), I’ll do the fierce version, then block, and go for the throw break (late throw). I’ll also occasionally do the back-fist late for a meaty backfist, just to mix things up.
I personally think that this is the **original **purpose of the move-the reason the original programmers added this move to the code. But, I’ll concede that I’ve never seen a Cammy player use the back-fist in this way in SF2. Although, in later games, lots of other players use similar setups, with different characters. Interestingly enough though, this back fist mix-up doesn’t work on many charcters. For example, the mix-up doesn’t work on E. Honda which I consider odd lol but it does work well on Ryu.
Sounds promising. Thanks for sharing!
EDIT - … I keep forgetting to play with the concept. My play style has pretty much ossified, this is gonna be tough.
I’m a new player and I like Cammy a lot. I like her fighting style and feel the most comfortable using her (yes even moreso than Chun). She is taking a lot of work but for two weeks worth of playing I finally won my first match against a good Akuma player. I won back to back rounds. I’m really proud, I’ve been putting a lot of work into her. Goes to show the Akuma player might have been uspet to loose to a Cammy and picks M.Bison (NA) for the next match. My Cammy (and my skillz) did not have a chance against him . lol
Thanks everyone for all the tips and tricks. What it ultimately boils down to is just practice and building confidence for me. I need the most help in my defense, avoiding fireballs, learning to read the moves of my opponent. I do realize that Cammy is a probably more underskilled than most of the characters but I take it as a great challenge to become better. I guess I realized that too when I played against NO Cammys in my brief stint online.
I try not to play open online matches too much cos I’m not giving you guys easy wins yet. lol.
hey miles i’ll be at devastation i’ll be repping that cammy so better bring that A game son!!! i mostly use cammy now i hate HDR chun
Right on, man!
I’ll do my best - gonna get me a PS3 and grind some strings just for the tournament. See ya’ll there!
Oh snap, maybe I can get my PS3 back up and running in time so I can do some Cammy practice with you guys.
I just found out an amazing combo that stuns practically all the time; however, I don’t know if somebody’s posted it before, so don’t prolapse if you think I stole this:
Jumping:lk:, standing:mp:, crouching:mk:, cancel into light Cannon Drill. It works more consistently on cross-up.
complaining when she has perfectly safe drills. whatever.
kinda stinks that the other moves besides drill/spike were nefred here, that was unnecessary.
If you really want, you can hack hdr/st.
"I just found out an amazing combo that stuns practically all the time; however, I don’t know if somebody’s posted it before, so don’t prolapse if you think I stole this:
Jumping:lk:, standing:mp:, crouching:mk:, cancel into light Cannon Drill. It works more consistently on cross-up."
That’s a classic super turbo link combo. Cammy is weird, even in ST she feels more like an sf4 character with all those links.
Yeah, the combo you posted is her main BnB. You can always mix in Hooligan if they block or you want to mix it up.
Boy, do I feel foolish.
she does indeed, hardcore.
I dont know what was Sirlin thinking when “balanced” her, cuz he didnt achieve it, honestly, Cammy suffers mostly becuz of her crappy jump ins, her jump in is so floaty that its so easy to react to them (and punish accordingly)
The only change could make her a great choice, give her Vega’s jump in, same jumping in arch and speed, and voilá, u would make her mix ups really worthy n lethal
Been awhile since this thread was active but im not sure else where to go for suggestions and what not.
First thing: what does it mean when the guide in the OP is saying “crouching forward, s. strong, Strong forward”?
Next question, I use the dualshock 3 dpad to play and there is only a few combos i can get away with. The majority of the combos listed on here do not want to chain for me and is always blocked on the 2nd or 3rd hit.
I feel like im a good cammy player but doing combos isnt really apart of my game. If i can add it then i would be better. Is my timing seriously that bad that im unable to get a chain going?
cr.forward = crouching medium kick
st.strong = standing medium punch
Not sure where you read or saw strong forward, unless they mean a series of attacks.
Don’t focus on the combos. Focus on your basic moves. ST/HDR isn’t a combo-intensive game, and you really don’t need to learn them until you start playing at higher intermediate levels. You can very easily net a lot of your wins with little to no combo use.
A lot of these combos require precise timing and practice. You can’t mash it out or phone it in. You’ll have to learn to adjust the timing of your attacks until these combos work on your opponent. Keep in mind that a lot of these combos are range, and sometimes character, specific.
Cammy’s always for me been a character to test my opponent with. She’s the only 100% honest character in the game. What do I mean by that? She has nothing abusable. She’s 100% skill and mind games. There is no reason why anybody who knows what they’re doing should ever take a hooligan from Cammy unless you condition them. Almost everything Cammy does is unsafe except for her footsie and poking tools. Her safe cannon drill requires very specific spacing which you have to fight for. And you can’t abuse the c.Mk trick to get the right distance because if you don’t mix it up, you’re eating a srk like move.
That being said you can definitely still in with Cammy (unless you’re facing a Honda who knows to just turtle)
It just takes a lot more skill and concentration and mind games. James chen is my cammy inspiration. Even just from testing people with Cammy I’ve gotten a lot better with her and better at the game overall. She’s a very rewarding character because of the challenge and the skills you gain which are transferable other games and characters. Yes she does suck. But no don’t give up on her. You can make it work. I almost have. I would go as far saying my Cammy is one notch away from being à legitimate threat
Edit: oh yeah, she’s fun as hell to play too
Edit2: oh yeah, and that @$$
All the low tiers are fun to play. Why? For the same reasons you mentioned. They’re all pretty honest, have nothing abusable, and their weaknesses force you to stay on-point with your fundamentals. You can get away with sloppy Boxer play and do well, but a sloppy Blanka, Cammy, Gief, Fei? Hell, no. You really gotta focus and work hard to get those Ws, which makes winning so much more rewarding and enjoyable.
Usually winning bad matchups makes the game fun and rewarding, of which low tier characters have in SPADES.
Cammy simply requires a lot of patience and a strong knowledge of the ground game.
IMO Cammy is much more demanding than the other low tiers when you are getting started with them. Fei and gief you can land a random super relatively easily compared to blank a or cammy. blanka’s balls are much safer in many more situations than Cammy’s drills and he has that multi hit grab too. Fei basically kils s you off of one rekka. Gief is the closest to Cammy in tier(worst) and honesty (not a coincidence, I know). But in terms of getting into the groove with Cammy in low and mid level play I think she has it hardest and people need more encouragement. (At least with gief you can just butter churn all day at low levels)
I think that’s the difference with Cammy and why she’s so rare to see. (From my own personal experience Cammy’s are extremely rare compared to the other low tiers) is that she has no obvious advantages / methods of attack/game plans for low level players and they give up before beginning that exploration.
I wasn’t saying the low tiers aren’t fun. But you sort of killed my intention of encouraging more people to stick with Cammy by saying, “well the other low tiers are fun too”. … Well yeah. So are the high tier characters. But this is a thread for Cammy. And Cammy is much less popular than the other low tiers by far. She needs the support
On that note I would also like to point out one of the best characters in the game : Sim . is also a rare sight. For much the same reason as Cammy. I would do more to encourage people to play Sim (I REALLY am starved of Sim matches) but I don’t play him myself and I wouldn’t want to be called out on that.
You DO play Sim, If you were to give reasons to play Sim I certainly wouldn’t degrade it by saying. “Well. Xxx characters are like that too”.
I know that wasn’t your intention with your post but that’s how I feel. I also feel like I’m being talked down to like I don’t know why people play low tier characters.