I’m always baffled how on paper chun is supposed to have an advantage against hawk, it seems like she always gets into this situation easily
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZ0xlFkIAzs#t=7m58s
Why isn’t that legit for hawk?
I can sometimes walk under hit, walk under throw, but nothing i do seems to be consistent to avoid/get out of that situation…
Chun Li’s close standing strong and forward can both beat T.Hawk’s splash if you can time them properly. If you have the charge for it, you can time her upkicks late and beat it as well. Practice, and you’ll get the feel in no time.
Her SBK can be used late to trade out of the corner, worst-case.
It’s one of those situations where the Hawk will just repeat it unmercifully unless you can prove that you know how to get out of it. With Dic I try to fierce PC out, but then if the Hawk is mixing it up with splash and tick throw it can still be painful.
Edit to add: remember that in ST block stun and hit stun are generally the same duration, so if you want a down charge you can take the first hit.
A bit of Chun tech…
Corner SBK> Super
Jump back, forward,k, back, forward when you hit the ground, walk forward, kick. This combines here ability to charge/ perform super motion during moves with the walk forward super glitch.
(7,6 k, 4 {land} 6 k.)
The same trick can be applied to kikoken and ground spinning bird. Lk Ground spinning bird and supering right after is a nice bait since normally sbk is pretty easy to counter, but with this you will counter their presumed “safe” counterattack. Don’t do this to grapplers or shotos much.
Safe jump os pokes (taken from nohoho)
Not particularly useful in comparison to games like sf4, but the same principle applies. Jump with a normal stuck out and do a normal as you land like stand hp. If the kick whiffs, you get the normal.
I have something similar with jump in legs, where if the jump kick hits you’ll get legs but if not you’ll whiff a normal. Not too nifty unless said normal is really good like cmk, stand mp, or stand hp. Still, better than empty jump to legs like a herp derp moron. Basically it’s the same principle as above with legs mashed but only to the point where they’ll activate on hit/block. If not, you get a sort-of safe poke whiff.
Walk forward specials. Not particularly new… But useful. You can walk forward slightly with any charge special and do it (just like… well every move that isn’t chun legs). It’s particularly useful for surprise attacks with sbk and for better zoning with fireballs.
Stand lk/mk are really good and under-appreciated normals. Use them more. Same with neutral jump fierce, mk, and lk. These formals are especially good at punishing claw and dic nonsense if they don’t grab. Btw that matchup vs vega/claw is bs >8|. I see him yoo-in. And I’m hatin.
It’s also good in matchups like bipson, prettyboy claw and n ken to be good at altering your tensho direction by changing the input after they cross up. like 3, 7 k instead of the opposite.
The option select is good so you can beat scape tools such as Ryu’s Tatsumaki, which has a short period of invulnerability and would otherwise leave Ryu safe, far from Chun. Video example here.
Edit: a lot of stuff in my post sounded dumb.
Doing legs standing there is pretty safe but it screams “throw a fireball” at a shoto.
O. Chun is pretty darn strong too. Thebastard rushed me down REALLY hard with her last night. I may use Chun’s old version a bit more.
It’s that mixup x|. It’s nuts. Combined with the better zoning and air normals she can also corner trap pretty effectively and beat out most jump ins. Claw jump light p beat her out but it doesn’t do enough damage to be scary.
Thebast was getting in on me, and altering the spacing on df hk. so I had to guess which side to block, and whether to block high or low. He would also do it out of range sometimes so I would have to guess whether or not to block to begin with. And If I blocked correctly he could go overhead stomp, high, or low, or throw, plus all the frame-trap/throw mixups chun has anyway. So hard to deal with. And he was good at catching on to throw abuse, which is a way I beat out old characters.
I heard o chun has lesser ground normals, but I need to make her not jump, and she can beat tenshokyaku clean. What I can think of is to zone her and make her run into anti airs like with a jumpy geif, but her air normals are so good, and her zoning is better… And that sbk is better to get out of things. Thoughts there?
lol, well, u can always walk under O.Chun when jumps in, then grab her.
O. Chun doesnt have xup attacks plus no mp/grab trap.
the point of df hk is to make it as ambiguous as possible, also u can either block high or low, it doesnt matter, just worry about blocking left or right.
O. Chun sbk is easy to punish, sweep it
Just in case you guys did not noticed, in the chun wiki there is a list of differences between old and new that is prolly complete: http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Chun-Li_(ST)#New_.26_Old_Versions_Comparison
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I was also super sleepy at the time.
I am the rare east coast usa st player. So I’ve been up longer than practically everyone else. I can’t verify though. I miss the old map.
Keishin Chun Li at GameSpot Versus Rambat:
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High-level stuff, as usual. He goes against Kurahashi, Choshu, Numa and M.B★. He usues the usual tricks and combos, such as Chun’s patented 3-hit link combo ending in a sweep, instant overheads, safe meaty crouching short, st.Strong harassment, st.Strong throws, well-spaced cross-up aerial kicks on wake-up, etc. This guy shouldn’t go unnoticed just cos of Otochun and Nuki.
With Chun’s neckbreaker if it is quite deep you block it the other way . So if chun is 1p, gets a knockdown and goes for a very deep meaty neckbreaker the opponent would block by holding left down or just left. If it is not deep they can just block by holding right. With N and Oken you can reverse with a fierce dp if Chun does a very deep neckbreaker. Just make sure to do it the other way (if chun is 1p gets a knockdown and does a very deep neckbreaker the input would be a dp on the 1p side.
I find that it depends on how close they are to you when they do the neckbreaker. If they’re point blank next to you, it tends to cross up, otherwise, you block it normal. For some reason it helps to always block it low, since most of the time when I try to block high, I get hit.
What i want to know, is how Chun is able to land the neckbreaker on the cross-up side, and then switch sides on you. I’ve had this happen a few times, but I don’t think the Chuns I played were able to fully control it. You have to block it cross-up, and then block it correctly, because she stays on the same side. Very bizarre.
I think chun being point blank next to you is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for her to cross up. I agree when she is point blank next to you it crosses up often but I think that also depends on how early or late chun goes for the neck breaker. Even if she is point blank next to you on wakeup, if she does the neck breaker late I don’t think it will cross up.
Great. I’m just thinking I should just learn to DP or spin kick on wakeup to avoid these ambiguous situations.
Neckbreaker
You guys know you have awesome stuff here, in the form of OG SRK posts:
NKI has also several important comments in the ST Chun Wiki. Neckbreaker included.
linking the kick medium and special chun-li…by Binera brazil
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Great video, but you should make your video screen bigger, get rid of the st logo and other stuff!