Cody USF4 General Discussion

cody

#1321

Apparently, when Bonchan grabbed Luffy 5 times in the corner it was hard reads but in BJ’s case it was gimmicks and a ton of luck . Althought I was happy to see him beat Bonchan and do so well against Snake Eyez ( I thought he was going to win :confused: ), I didn’t like his approach on the Dudley matchup. Even if it was Smug, I can’t help but feel that he could have done a lot better.


#1322

He didn’t seem particularly familiar but he did really well at the tournament as a whole, he’ll probably work on his MU knowledge in his training time maybe? Regardless, he’s one of few people to do something with Cody excluding Momochi.


#1323

He’s commentated a handful of Momochi’s matches at EVOs and NCR 2013. I can’t remember which ones he has said Zonk isn’t great. Ultradavid says it all the time lol.

I tweet Seth about the 4F crHP thing. God could you imagine how good/stupid Cody’s crHP would be at 4F? Combos from jabs, -1F on block, probably combos into itself, 100 damage 200stun, great hitbox, good range, would be an amazing frame trap since Cody has nothing but jabs at 4F but nothing but clsLP and clsMP are more than +2F so he’d have a 3F frame trap with crLP - crHP AND it’d combo if the crLP hits? fuck yeah.


#1324

“Hey guys, Peter Combofiend Rosas here…”

The idea of Peter making balance change videos with insane balance changes and manically laughing as he addresses them seems hilarious to me, Cody 4F cr.hp plz Capcom


#1325

#1326

Oh my god that is so insanely broken, I want it in 1.05. Cody players have trouble getting in, he needs this.

Seth Kappian.


#1327

OMG lol, I totally forgot to use Cody’s zonk combos. Cody can stun Abel for 2 bars off of a counterhit clsHP if his crHP is 4F. ch clsHP - EX BS - Walk forward slightly - clsHP - crHP - crHP - L3 Zonk - EX Criminal Upper stuns abel (1063stun) if you followup with U2 it does 689 damage. However there is no reason to do that because if you simply do EX Badstone - clsHP - crHP - crHP - HP Criminal Upper post stun it does 683 damage and you STILL have 1 bar lol.

Hah, while typing this I found a 725 damage combo on Abel only

ch clsHP - EX Badstone - clsHP - crHP - crHP - L3 Zonk - EX CU (stun) - EX Badstone - clsHP - crHP - crHP - HK Ruffian Kick - U1 (no FADC needed).

If you spend 3 bars you can even 1hit stun zangief by doign the same combo but doing FADC - F+HK - EX CU after the zonk :stuck_out_tongue:


#1328

BTW you know what’s crazy? Guy can do similar stuff already. The clsHP - crHP - crHP stuff is character specific obviously. Just like that is character specific guy can do closeHK - farHP - farMP vs a number of characters. He can actually do clsHK - farHP - farHK for as much damage as Cody’s clsHP - crMP - HP CU (288). If he does clsHK - farHP - farMP - EX Hozanto - MK Tatsu in the corner it does 710 stun and ~450 damage for 1 bar no counterhit required.


#1329

Shout- outs to Seth Killian though. :stuck_out_tongue:


#1330

Finally got around to updating the list of things that beat L3 Zonk:

http://pastebin.com/6s5rQTqf

Spoiler

Abel:
crLK, crHK, clsLK
clsHK (overhead frames)
Wheel Kick, change of direction 1st (can actually combo out of it into normals.)
Ultra 1

Adon:
crMP, crLK, crMK, crHK
MK, HK, EX Rising Jaguar
Super, Ultra 1, Ultra 2(requires specific spacing, doesn’t work point blank)

Akuma
crLK, crMK, crHK, clsLK
F+MP (2nd hit)
All SRKs
Demon flip dive kick
Demon flip palm (extremely difficult to time)

Balrog
crLK, crMK, crHK
far MK
Dash low straight, dash swing blow
Super (Punches only), Ultra 1 (Both versions), Ultra 2

Blanka
crLK, crMK, crHK, crLP, crHP (only 1st active frame), farMK, farHK, farHP, close HK, F/B+MP
EX Electricity, Horiballs, rainbow balls
Coward crouch (dodges)
Focus attack
Super, Ultra 1, Ultra 2 (ground version only)

Cammy
crLK, crMK, crHK
MK, HK, EX DP
All spiral arrows
Hooligan combination - slide
Super, Ultra 1

Chun Li
clsLK, clsMK, crLK, crMK, crMP
crHP (2nd hit only, recover frames make zonk whiff entirely)
DF+HK
HK/EX Lightning Legs
SBK (LK, MK, HK make zonk whiff and hit crossup. EX beats zonk)
Ultra 2

Cody
clsLK, crLK, crMK,crHK, sMP (with knife), F+HP
All criminal uppers (Tornado portion)
LK/EX Ruffian Kick
Badstone (once it loses enough height)
LK Super, Ultra 2

C. Viper
clsLK, farLK, crLK, crMK, crHK
Seismic Hammer
Ultra 1, Ultra 2

Dan
crLK, crMK, crHK, far LK
All SRKs
Ultra 1

Decapre
crLP, crLK, crMK, crHK
IA Spiral Arrow, Scramble Razor’s Edge Slicer, Scramble Divekick, Scramble HP or EX Break
Focus attack
Super, Ultra 2

Deejay
farLK, crLP, crMP, crLK, crMK, crHK,
All MGUs
Ultra 2

Dhalsim
Zoom LK, Zoom HP, Zoom crLP, Zoom crMP, zoom crHP, crLK, crMK, crHK, slide LK, slide MK, slide HK, B+LP, B+HP (2nd hit), B+LK
All Yoga Flames
Focus attack
Super

Dudley
F+HK(does not work if Dudley is point blank range), crLK, crMK, crHK
EX DP
Super, Ultra 1, Ultra 2

E. Honda
far HP, far HK, crLP, crHP, crLK, crMK, crHK, DF+HK, clsLK
All sumo headbutts, buttslam (falling portion)
Focus attack
Super, Ultra 1

El Fuerte
Far LK, far HK (2nd hit), cls LP, clsMP, cls LK, crLK, crMK, crHK,F+MK makes Zonk whiff up close but can’t hit Zonk.
Tostada press completely avoids Zonk but doesn’t hit it either
Focus attack
Super

Elena
sLK, crLK, crMK, crHK, crLP, crMP, B+HK, slide
Scratch Wheel, EX Spin Scythe, Lynx Tail, Mallet Smash
Focus Attack
Super

Evil Ryu
clsLK, crLK, crMK, crHK, F+MP (doesn’t work on very early frames of Zonk)
All tatsu’s make Zonk whiff and usually hit crossup. SRKs, Axe Kick
Ultra 2

Fei Long
far LK, crLK, crMK, crHK, crHP, F+MK

Gen
(Mantis)
crMP, crLK, crMK, crHK
LK Up Kicks
Super, Ultra 2(NORMAL version only, pre jump canceled version whiffs)
(Crane)
sMP (1 hit), sHP, crLK, crMK
All rolls
Ultra 2 (Strict spacing)

Gouken
Far LK, close LK, crLK, crMP, crHK, F+MP
EX Tatsu
Super (First hit whiffs), Ultra 1 (First hit whiffs)

Guile
farLK, F+MP, crLK, crMK, crHK
Ultra 1

Guy
close LK, crLK, crMK, crHK
Run - Slide

Hakan
F+MP, F+LK, F+HK, sLK, sMK, sHK, sHP (2nd hit), crLK, crMK, crHK, crHP
Guard Position (dodges)
All Slides
Focus attack

Hugo
sLK, sMK (2nd hit), crLK, crMK, DD+MK
Palm Bomber
Focus (inconsistent)

Ibuki
F+LK, crLK, crMK, crHK, DF+MK
All Raidas
All DPs

Juri
clsLK, clsHK (2nd hit), far MK(only if 1st hit connects), crLK, crMK, crHK (MK/HK will also low profile EX Zonk)
LK, MK, EX Pinwheel
All Fuhajin Stores
LK Fuhajin Release
LK+MK EX Fuhajin

Ken
clsLK, crLK, crMK, crHK
All Tatsus (avoid and hit crossup usually)
All SRKs
Focus Attack

M. Bison
clsMK, crLK, crMK, crHK
All Scissor Kicks (2nd hit)
All Psychocrushers upclose will avoid Zonk and most will hit crossup once upper body invincibility ends.
Super
Ultra 1, Ultra 2

Makoto
crLK, crHP, F+HK
All Oroshi
U1, U2 (Angle dependant)

Oni
sLK, crLK, crMK, crHK
All SRKs, All Ground slams, All Tatsus (cause zonk to whiff and hit crossup.)
U2, U1 (Air version at specific angles)

Poison:
crLK, crMK, crHK, crMP, crHP, clsLK, farLK
F+MP (up close only it will make Zonk whiff and recover in time to punish)
All Kissed by a goddess (DP), All Love me tenders (Flip Kick)
Focus
Super

Rolento:
crLK, crMK, crHK, crMP, farHP (both hits), F+MK (overhead)
Patriot Circle 2nd Rep, All Stingers, Mekong Delta Roll Attack
Focus
Super, Ultra 1, Ultra 2

Rose
crLK, crMK, crHK, DF+MK, closeLK, farLK
LP, MP Reflect
U2 (When orbs are near ground)

Rufus
crLK, crMK, crHK, crHP, farLK, closeLK, F+MK, DF+MK
EX Messiah Kick (Very last hit), MK Followup, HK Followup
U2

Ryu
clsLK, crLK, crMK, crHK, F+MP (2nd hit)
All SRKs, All Tatsu (Cause zonk to whiff and hits crossup)
U2

Sagat
clsLK(2ndhit) farLK(2nd hit), crLK, crHK
All Tiger Uppers, all Tiger Knees (first hit)
Super, U1

Sakura
farLK, closeLK, crLK, crMK, crHK, crMP
All Shouoken’s, Level 3 Fireball (on specific frames of Zonk right before Zonk becomes active, usually Zonk is successful though)
Super, U1

Seth
crLK, crMK, crHK, farLK, farHP, closeHK (2nd hit)
EX Tanden Engine, All SRKs
Super, U1, U2

THawk
crLK, crMK, crHK, crHP (2nd hit), closeHP, DF+LP
All Tomahawk Busters
Focus attack

Vega
crLK, crMK, crHK, closeMK, DF+MK
All RCFs
U1 (only if Cody and Vega are both in opposite corners of the screen.), U2

Yang
crLK, crMK, crHK, crMP, farLK, closeLK
All Roll Kicks, All Palm Strikes
U2

Yun
crLK, crMK, crHK, farLK, closeLK
All Should Slams
U1

Zangief
crLK, crHK, DF+HK, farLK, closeLK
All Green Hands


#1331

jesus


#1332

A lot of focus attacks in there! I’ve definitely had it completely whiff on Fuerte’s focus in a real game - was pretty salty about it. Where’s my beefy counter-hit damage Capcom?!

Can’t get Hawk’s focus to avoid/beat it though - how do you set that up exactly?


#1333

Never seen it whiff on Fuerte’s focus but the focus does CH Zonk during upper body I Frames.

Hawk was super duper easy, dunno how you’re having trouble. I have Cody setup to do a zonk then just try and beat it, if a CH message comes up I know it worked, plus I can double check the video in slow mo and see the start of zonk animation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDsvl5Jje3A

Also I just thought of one I didn’t test: Decapre’s last hit of her rapid daggers (all versions) should beat L3 Zonk as the hitbox reaches the ground.


#1334

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_OR4je-CUo

Idea I’ve had for a long time for the EX Knife throw Cody has never had. They didn’t even give him one in Omega mode! If only…


#1335

Just a weird question but is it normal than cody j.HK can cross-up a standing decapre outside of the corner? Is it because of decapre hurtbox or j.HK hitbox is long enough to cross-up succesfully at some perfect distance?

Edit: Nevermind, j.HP and j.HK can cross-up at some specific distance on every character apparently. Didn’t know that the hitbox was long enough for both of them to do that.


#1336

Eternal posted a vid somewhere (might have been here. Might be on his YT channel) showing basically every non knife normal crossing up. Just a matter of knowing the range to jump and the character hurtbox.

knife j.hp also crosses up but from what i’ve found so far it’s character specific and not overall practical on said characters it works on.


#1337

I only used weird crossups, didn’t include the jMK. Also I did include a knife jHP crossup. Man that is one of my oldest videos can’t believe you remembered it, june 2013.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0517fda5w_M


#1338

http://wiki.shoryuken.com/Changelist_StreetFighterIV#Cody

Complete changelist history for Cody updated, includes all current patches and all hidden changes in Cody’s history.


#1339

Bring back 4-frame crouching light kick! :wink:


#1340

The hidden changes included btw:

AE-
Hitbox on Diagonal Jump HK reduced in width to lower chance of cross up and increase ease of anti airing at specific angles.

AE2012 -
Forward Dash: Pushbox on head removed to prevent Cody from being pushed back as far when dashing into an opponent.
Diagonal Jump MP: Given larger Hitboxes upward and downward. Hurtbox on active frames 2~3F increased upward.
Far Standing LP with knife: Hitbox added backwards towards arm **(Note: Change not applied to chained version) **
EX Zonk Knuckle: Knocks the opponent farther away **on first hit ** ---- Notes only said knock back increased on EX Zonk
Bad Spray: Now fully invincible 1~10F instead of strike only.
EX Badstone: Hitbox expanded backwards on first 2F active. [Added in AE2012 1.04]

USF4 -
Knife Attack: All grounded versions given Juggle Potential 3; can combo after L Criminal Upper for example **(Note: Not applied to chained versions of knife normals or the 2nd hit of close MP with knife) **
Bad Stone: Charge Time required for Level 2 Bad stone reduced from 44F to 22F
Crack Kick (F + HK): Now considered airborne 8~26F, **Start Up increased to 15F, Lower Body invincibility starts on 2F rather than 4F **
Dead End Irony (SC): Light version first 2 hits push back increased on grounded hit. 3rd hit floats lower.
Dead End Irony (SC): Medium version 5th hits active frames increased by 3F and hit box size increased
Final Destruction (UC1): Forward movement during ultra freeze increased slightly
LK Ruffian Kick: No longer causes a hard knockdown when hitting an airborne opponent.

USF4 1.04 -
Crack Kick (F+HK): Start up returned to 14F from 15F. Lower body invincibility returned to starting on 4F from 2F **
EX Criminal Upper: Strike invincibility increased from 1~6F to 1~7F.
Projectile invincibility removed. **

Cody has had A LOT of hidden changes and a number of them are nerfs :expressionless: