Community Tierlist - Ken help requested!

ken

#1

Hello Ken mainers,

At Community Tierlist - overview you can see a brand new dynamic tierlist which is a combined effort of all people on the SRK character forums.

The goal of this web application is to get all people who main a certain character to give their opinion on that character matchups, and then to combine all that data in one overall list.
The idea worked pretty well when performed by the Rose forum (http://shoryuken.com/f277/rose-mis-fortunes-rose-match-up-poll-263465/), most users reached a consensus and Rose got a nice analysis that ranked her around 13th to 17th place, on par with the latest opinions on her by American and Japanese top players.

If all character forums take a small effort to go vote on their character we will get:
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[] a per character average of matchups
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] a community-generated tierlist
[] a cross-matchup view on each matchup (as for example Ken vs Ryu will be ranked both in Ken view as in Ryu view)
[
] and when enough data is provided: a statistical view on contested matchups, on agreed upon matchups and more!
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Because this list is open, and inputs are sensitive I took a few measure to get better results:
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[] You can only vote once per character
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] You need to provide the forumcode of you character to validate your vote (provided here), so that you can’t simply click around and vote on anything you want
[*] The extreme votes are removed statistically (10% lowest and 10% highest are discounted)
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Ken forumcode is: ken106068
Please copy/paste this in the forumcode box

I will gradually go to each character forum to collect votes. After your vote you can copy/paste your input to this thread for further discussion.

Hopefully we get a good result! :slight_smile:

Web application: Community Tierlist - overview
Forumcode: ken106068


#2

viper: 5.0
guile: 4.0
bison: 5.0
chun: 5.5
deejay: 5.0
guy: 5.5
seth: 5.0
ibuki: 6.0
vega: 5.0
fuerte: 5.0
dudley: 6.0
sagat: 5.0
cammy: 5.5
makoto: 6.0
dhalsim: 5.0
rufus: 6.0
gouken: 5.0
adon: 5.0
hakan: 5.0
rose: 5.0
akuma: 4.0
balrog: 4.0
honda: 5.0
zangief: 6.0
dan: 5.5
sakura: 6.0
gen: 7.0
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 5.0
fei: 5.0
cody: 6.0
abel: 5.0
blanka: 4.0
juri: 5.0

This is based on my experience and also by watching other people play. I’m not one of those people who think Ken is only mid tier in Super I think he’s def better than that.


#3

User Joutai voted on ken
viper: 5.0
guile: 4.0
bison: 4.5
chun: 4.5
deejay: 5.0
guy: 5.5
seth: 5.0
ibuki: 5.5
vega: 6.0
fuerte: 5.0
dudley: 5.0
sagat: 4.5
cammy: 4.5
makoto: 6.0
dhalsim: 4.0
rufus: 5.0
gouken: 4.5
adon: 4.5
hakan: 6.0
rose: 5.0
akuma: 4.0
balrog: 5.0
honda: 4.0
zangief: 5.0
dan: 6.0
sakura: 5.5
gen: 5.0
ryu: 4.5
hawk: 5.0
fei: 4.5
cody: 5.0
abel: 5.0
blanka: 4.0
juri: 5.5

I’m a somewhat defensive Ken so I’m sure my opinion is a bit strange.


#4

User GetTheFruit voted on ken
viper: 5.0
guile: 4.5
bison: 5.5
chun: 5.0
deejay: 5.5
guy: 5.0
seth: 5.5
ibuki: 5.0
vega: 5.0
fuerte: 5.0
dudley: 5.5
sagat: 5.0
cammy: 5.5
makoto: 5.5
dhalsim: 4.0
rufus: 5.0
gouken: 5.0
adon: 5.0
hakan: 5.0
rose: 5.5
akuma: 4.5
balrog: 6.0
honda: 5.5
zangief: 5.0
dan: 5.0
sakura: 5.5
gen: 5.0
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 5.5
fei: 5.0
cody: 5.5
abel: 5.5
blanka: 4.5
juri: 5.0


#5

User G77 voted on ken
viper: 5.0
guile: 4.0
bison: 4.0
chun: 5.0
deejay: 5.5
guy: 5.0
seth: 5.0
ibuki: 5.5
vega: 6.0
fuerte: 5.0
dudley: 5.0
sagat: 4.5
cammy: 4.5
makoto: 5.5
dhalsim: 4.0
rufus: 5.0
gouken: 5.5
adon: 5.0
hakan: 5.5
rose: 5.0
akuma: 5.0
balrog: 4.5
honda: 5.5
zangief: 5.0
dan: 6.0
sakura: 5.5
gen: 5.5
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 5.5
fei: 4.5
cody: 5.0
abel: 5.0
blanka: 4.5
juri: 5.5


#6

User Curaga PGN voted on ken
viper: 4.0
guile: 4.0
bison: 6.0
chun: 4.0
deejay: 5.0
guy: 6.0
ibuki: 6.0
seth: 6.0
vega: 6.0
fuerte: 6.0
dudley: 6.0
sagat: 5.0
cammy: 5.0
makoto: 6.0
dhalsim: 4.0
rufus: 5.0
gouken: 6.0
adon: 4.0
rose: 5.0
hakan: 6.0
akuma: 5.0
balrog: 4.0
honda: 5.0
zangief: 5.0
dan: 6.0
sakura: 4.0
gen: 6.0
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 6.0
cody: 5.0
fei: 5.0
abel: 5.0
blanka: 5.0
juri: 6.0

Sakura has the advantage against us, I’m pretty confident.


#7

User Ikaru voted on ken
viper: 5.0
guile: 4.0
bison: 5.0
chun: 5.0
deejay: 5.0
guy: 5.5
seth: 4.5
ibuki: 5.5
vega: 5.0
fuerte: 5.0
dudley: 5.5
sagat: 5.0
cammy: 4.0
makoto: 5.5
dhalsim: 4.0
rufus: 5.0
gouken: 6.0
adon: 5.0
hakan: 6.0
rose: 5.0
akuma: 4.5
balrog: 5.0
honda: 4.5
zangief: 5.0
dan: 3.0
sakura: 5.5
gen: 6.0
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 5.5
fei: 4.5
cody: 5.5
abel: 5.0
blanka: 4.5
juri: 6.0

I might actually do my own break down of each individual match in detail from personal experience now that I’ve decided to actually rate the matches myself…


#8

I’m pretty curious on why you think Dan has such an advantage over Ken.


#9

User king voted on ken
viper: 5.5
guile: 4.5
bison: 5.0
chun: 6.0
deejay: 5.0
guy: 5.0
ibuki: 5.5
seth: 5.0
vega: 5.0
fuerte: 5.5
dudley: 5.5
sagat: 5.0
cammy: 5.5
makoto: 5.5
dhalsim: 4.5
rufus: 6.0
gouken: 5.5
adon: 5.5
rose: 5.0
hakan: 6.5
akuma: 5.0
balrog: 4.5
honda: 5.0
zangief: 5.5
dan: 5.0
sakura: 5.5
gen: 6.0
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 6.0
cody: 6.5
fei: 5.5
abel: 5.0
blanka: 4.5
juri: 6.0


#10

I don’t know if it’s just me, but gouken is pretty damn hard for ken. Learning the matchup only makes it even, cuz gouken got tricks.
And akuma can be a pain in the ass too.


#11

Do you mean disadvantage?

Or did we all screw this up?

Edit: Oh, nvm. XD


#12

Ikaru put 3.0 for the match up against Dan so I he either thinks Dan has an advantage over Ken or he messed up.


#13

User Shinebox voted on ken
viper: 5.0
guile: 4.0
bison: 4.0
chun: 6.0
deejay: 6.0
guy: 5.0
seth: 6.0
ibuki: 5.0
vega: 6.0
fuerte: 6.0
dudley: 6.0
sagat: 5.0
cammy: 6.0
makoto: 6.5
dhalsim: 5.0
rufus: 6.0
gouken: 6.0
adon: 6.0
hakan: 6.0
rose: 5.0
akuma: 5.0
balrog: 4.5
honda: 5.0
zangief: 5.0
dan: 6.0
sakura: 6.0
gen: 7.0
ryu: 5.0
hawk: 4.0
fei: 5.0
cody: 6.0
abel: 5.0
blanka: 4.0
juri: 6.0


#14

Aw man ; ; 7 in Ken’s favor, guess I goofed lol.


#15

is there a guide to what the matchup numbers mean? I wouldn’t want to vote if I don’t know what the numbers mean


#16

User tali voted on ken
viper: 5.0
guile: 4.0
bison: 4.0
chun: 5.0
deejay: 5.0
guy: 5.0
seth: 5.0
ibuki: 5.5
vega: 4.5
fuerte: 4.0
dudley: 5.0
sagat: 4.0
cammy: 4.0
makoto: 7.0
dhalsim: 4.0
rufus: 5.0
gouken: 4.5
adon: 4.5
hakan: 6.0
rose: 4.0
akuma: 5.0
balrog: 4.0
honda: 5.5
zangief: 3.5
dan: 5.5
sakura: 4.0
gen: 5.5
ryu: 4.5
hawk: 5.0
fei: 5.0
cody: 5.0
abel: 5.0
blanka: 4.0
juri: 5.5


#17

The number you pick will be the number of times Ken will win out of 10.

Example:

if you pick 6 for Viper, you’re saying Ken should win 6 of the 10 games and lose 4 times.


#18

viper: 4.5
guile: 4.0
bison: 5.0
chun: 4.0
deejay: 5.5
guy: 5.5
ibuki: 6.0
seth: 5.5
vega: 5.5
fuerte: 5.5
dudley: 5.0
sagat: 4.5
cammy: 5.0
makoto: 6.0
dhalsim: 4.0
rufus: 5.0
gouken: 5.0
adon: 5.0
rose: 5.0
hakan: 6.0
akuma: 4.0
balrog: 4.0
honda: 4.0
zangief: 5.0
dan: 6.0
sakura: 5.5
gen: 6.0
ryu: 4.5
hawk: 6.0
cody: 5.5
fei: 4.5
abel: 5.0
blanka: 4.0
juri: 6.0


#19

was this a mistake or do find this 6:4 in kens favour? i really struggle against bison, but then again im not good enough to have an impact on the tier list


#20

I used to despise Bison, but now I honestly believe it isn’t a bad match-up at all. Getting my ass raped by a local Bison player every gathering leveled up my game a ton.

Bison doesn’t have a very good comeback potential, as long as you play a very controlled offense and don’t panic, you should be fine.